Restoring A Mid Century Classic: The Advent 5012

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thanks so much for watching! If you enjoyed it please like the video and subscribe for more content :) I’ve got these speakers listed for sale locally here: facebook.com/marketplace/item/1186783189410116?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A287d1f51-5937-49bf-a625-2e6f2a10c98c

[@gg.6967]

Excellent work by you sir,enjoy your time with your vintage loudspeakers 😊

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you!

[@Velho_Novo]

It is very "refreshing" to see a young man with so much love for old audio equipments ! Congrats !

[@Shuksanaudio]

Amazing! I'm glad to hear that! I sure do love this old gear. Thanks for watching!

[@laidback93]

What an awesome video! Great work. I'm the proud owner of a pair of NLAs I bought off the original owner. A4 is the production run so I think they were built around 78 or 79. They are the walnut veneer bullnose versions and the PO took amazing care of them. Little to no scratches on the cabinets. He had them refoamed a while back and had to replace the fried egg tweeters under warranty after partying a little too hard, lol. Enjoy your Advents!

[@thehistoryprof6750]

So well done. I have the original advents paired with a marantz 2245 purchased in March of 75. The woofers were refoamed at 30 yrs or so. This was very educational. So glad to see younger generations taking interest in our vintage components.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it! Marantz with advent, now that's a great combo! I hope to carry the interest on to an even younger generation. It's a fun hobby :)

[@Rights4Life]

VERY nice work. I liked the new grill cloth best :)

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you! I'm glad you like them!

[@kevindye1340]

I totally enjoyed your video. I have a pair I’ve had a very long time and a few years ago I discovered the foam rot problem. My wife surprised me for Christmas and had them repaired. They still sound great.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it! Aww that is so kind. You've got a great wife.

[@jesss7180]

Very Cool. Nice job. The comparison was interesting. The advance seemed a bit more defined but slightly sharp. I like when people restore the old stuff. New hi-fi has gotten out of control with their prices and many speakers on the market are so harsh they can’t be listened to for more than an hour. The old speakers were meant to be listened to all day. Nice listening room.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed!

[@rafacq]

Those look and sound amazing! You did a great job. It’s so nice to see your enthusiasm with your work. Love it. You have a new subscriber.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thanks so much! I really appreciate you watching and subscribing!

[@dylanemeraldgrey]

Well done mate. My first thought was, OK, another typical vintage video, but everything you did was well thought out and quality. Then you provided more detail than most and were extremely efficient about it. Then i realized you put a lot of thought into the editing and pacing of the whole thing. Very impressed. I enjoyed it. I have no electronics skills, but I've refoamed a few speakers. I still have the NLAs, bull nose. They sound great. I also have the Laureates. They are very easy to listen to and are my favorites for poor recordings, because they smooth over problems better than a lot of other speakers I've heard. I've listened to a lot of reggae on those things...I still have some baby Advent III to refoam, but it's been years and they're so far down on the to do list, it will probably be a few more years until that gets done. I've wanted to sell my Advents for years to try new speakers and free up space, but i haven't been able to part with them yet. Recently, I got the HECO Celan Revolution 3. They're very good, but i think the NLA's are still competitive at about half the price, though it's apples and oranges for the most part... I don't know what you did with the recording of the speaker comparisons, but the differences were clear, as well as the changes after you upgraded the crossovers. I've heard hundreds of sound demos on KZbin, and i always say, why am i doing this, there is so much compression, it''s probably impossible to hear what's really going on - but i could clearly hear it in your video. Again, impressed. Well this went longer than I thought. Looking forward to the next vid. - Cheers

[@Shuksanaudio]

Awww, this is incredibly sweet. I put over 30 hours into editing, scripting, and planning this video so it means a lot to hear that it's been noticed! I love making videos almost as much as I love fixing old stereo gear. Nice! All of the Advents were so listenable. It's one of my favorite things about them. HAha the to do list must be long! I'm glad that the sound comparison was well received as well! I put effort into making it sound as clear as possible! Thank you for watching and for your kind words ❤️

[@dylanemeraldgrey]

@@Shuksanaudio My pleasure. Keep up the good work!

[@KneppaH]

Great restauration as always! Really enjoying the enthusiasm in which you present your videos. I recently restored a set of Philips MFB active servo monitors from 1974 (22RH544). Complete recap + bias and motion feedback adjustment. Now they stay cooler and sound better in the mid/high range. The philips MFB range of speakers are fun active speakers to tinker with and learn from. And after 50 years they really need some love and care put into them. Greetings from the Netherlands

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you! I'm glad that it comes through :) Ohh I've heard of those speakers! I will have to try and find a pair. Sounds like a fun project. Thank you for watching! So cool that these videos can reach around the world.

[@genehammond7239]

Nice job Matt they looked as good as they sound !!!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thanks Gene!

[@josebaaz7461]

I love these speakers look the sound is great too . When I had mine I found a different set and stacked them. I sold them in the beginning of the year I really enjoyed the experience.

[@Shuksanaudio]

For real! One of the best looking speakers IMO I've always wanted to try stacked advents so maybe I will give it a rip some day. They sound good but I have a few other speakers on my list that I'm more intrigued by. I feel like the stacked advents are so iconic though that I have to try it eventually haha.

[@VaughanGuitars]

Nice restoration of the Advents! I am the original owner of a pair of Advent %002's. I did basically the same restoration on mine as you did yours ( re-foamed the woofers and because mine were in a not so well environment of storage for 12 years I also replaced the tweeters and recapped the cross overs). My cabinets needed replacing. The end product was incredible so I carried it one step farther and made a second pair using original woofers and new simply speaker tweeters. The reasons for the new tweeters in the original was because the FerroFluid had gotten like paste and the tweeters were not sounding as they should. In the end I double stacked my Advents and believe me the sound is INCREDIBLE. If you like the single pair try the double stack. I am powering them with a Realistic Sta-2100 and tried my Sansui 9090. Both sound great in a neutral sound on the receiver settings. Thanks for the video and keeping the Advents alive.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Nice! I'd love to try some stacked advents at some point. Sounds like you put a lot of work in for your two pairs! Good on ya!

[@bpalpha]

I tried restoring some Infinity Sterling SS 2003s recently. Replaced the foam surrounds though, once installed, one woofer was blown. Both would move without scraping. I had heard about not buying speakers with drivers that won't move. This was a MESSY process for me, I spent a week picking glue off my fingers. Beautiful work on these spectacular Advents! Genuinely impressed with your knowledge and skill. Love seeing people who truly appreciate audio. I love large monitor speakers like these!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Oh man, that sounds like a frustrating journey. Yea, gotta check all of the drivers before purchase, I forgot to on these...Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

[@edley312]

I had a pair of those playing through my Yamaha CA-800. They sounded great and, important to my wife, looked like furniture. 😂. Great work, Matt!

[@Shuksanaudio]

No way! That's super cool. If they're still around when I get your CA-800 going again I will hook them up in honor of yours! They sure do look incredible, I can see why your wife liked them! Thanks for watching, Edley.

[@brainache555]

New crossover parts more overall clarity = less smearing. Always worth

[@Shuksanaudio]

Agree

[@ErwinSchnieders]

this is my new favorite vintage audio channel! great content!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Ayye that really means so much to me ❤️ I'm glad you like the content!

[@KillerKlipsch]

Dude, This was awesome, I loved this video, Great job.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Ayye thank you! I'm glad you liked it :)

[@Zimmy_1981]

I'm a sucker for those well edited snap cuts 😅😊

[@Shuksanaudio]

Haha you've fallen for my trap! lol. Thanks for watching!

[@Zimmy_1981]

@@Shuksanaudio 🤣 I did, yes. Regret it? Nope!

[@johnmichael1584]

I worked for Advent during the late 70s as a district sales manager in the Southeastern U.S. It's pretty rare to see the 5012 and 5002, but, as I remember, the "Direct Report" tweeter (Direct radiating, parabolic dome, optimum range tweeter) was the big new feature! Unfortunately, as your demo showed, a lot of people felt that the new tweeter was not an improvement over the original Advent tweeter. Most consumers felt that the new tweeter sounded "muted" compared to the original product. You said you matched the levels between your Tannoy's and the 5012s at 1 Khz, but that can cause results similar to what you heard. Pink noise or even white noise might do a better job of letting you match levels to remove efficiency from the equation. Enjoyed the presentation!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Oh that's awesome that you got to work there! From what I've read, a lot of people now would say the dome in the 5012/5002 sounds better than the original fried egg tweeter but I think you're right that it sounds smoother and less bright. I really enjoyed the way they sounded. Thanks for your tip on matching the levels! Great idea.

[@MattsRichardson]

Stumbled upon your Facebook listing for these and was pleasantly surprised to see this pop up when I wanted to KZbin them ha. Love your enthusiasm and if I had the money at the moment would've loved to snag them! Definitely subscribed and going to creep your Facebook listings in the future

[@Shuksanaudio]

Oh sweet! That's amazing! I appreciate you subscribing! I will list more stuff locally but I also have a website in the works and sell on eBay for stuff that is easier to ship! Thanks so much for watching!

[@GIGonthestrip]

Well done! I've owned 5002's since the 77 and wondered if a recap was needed. Nah, just a little treble tweak and they sparkle. Thanks!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you for watching! Glad that yours are still working great!

[@progressive7682]

La gamma alta è troppo squillante?

[@tennysoncason772]

Nice work!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thanks so much, Tennyson!

[@spencehayashi2772]

I bought a pair of 5012s pre-Jensen in Seattle at Pacific Stereo. I still run them on my main system and they have been re-foamed a couple times. Still my favorite pair of Large Advents that i will not part with. Great video and i love the restoration work you did on your set.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Wow that's awesome! You've kept them running for a long time! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment!

[@VikasGupta-bx5qv]

definitely noticed the high end change after recap.

[@Shuksanaudio]

For sure! They got a bit brighter and more even across the board it seemed.

[@SmithFitzgerald-uz8fy]

I am restoring a pair of 4002s, great speakers

[@Shuksanaudio]

Nice! Those are sweet! What all are you doing to them?

[@SmithFitzgerald-uz8fy]

@@Shuksanaudio refoam and recap, they’re unfortunately vinyl wrap instead of veneer so theres not much I can do to the exterior. I was super confused with the 7 and 7.5uf capacitor and their decision to change it when Jensen bought the company, but I stuck with the 7uf.

[@Shuksanaudio]

@@SmithFitzgerald-uz8fy Nice! Unfortunate that they're vinyl. You can buy new vinyl wrap for them but it likely won't match what's on there already so you'd have to completely re wrap both speakers but it's fairly easy to apply. My guess is that the 7.5uf may have been cheaper somehow or maybe it was a slight change in the crossover point to adapt to the round magnet woofer and tweeter that they started using.

[@itsjonkenney]

Love the video! When are you going to refresh the grill covers on the Tannoy speakers?

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you! haha you're out here asking the real questions lol. I have a whole slew of upgrades planned for them including all new cabinets so I haven't done much with the existing cabinets because it feels a bit pointless haha. I'll hopefully get around to the upgrades either later this year or early/mid next year. They sound great but I know there is more performance to get out of them.

[@itsjonkenney]

@@Shuksanaudio They definitely have a warm tone and sound great from the video. I need to be on the lookout for a pair. Can't wait to see what you do with them!

[@joebass5163]

I have the 5002 I found local and they are in really good condition. Mine have cone tweeters instead of domes but they still sound good. Edit: whoops my speakers are the 2002 model. That explains the cone tweeters.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Ahhh I see! Good to know that the tweeter is a bit different on the 2002! Thanks for watching

[@jimbosvidbits6166]

I have two sets of Advents. The smaller bookshelf & bigger from either the late 60's or early 70's. The bigger ones need woofers worked on & repaired. They still play but sound bad. The little ones really rock.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Nice! Yes, I wouldn't recommend listening to them if the foams are rotting. It will damage the voice coils beyond repair. Thanks for watching!

[@midwestside1969]

I own a pair of Advent /1 which are a slightly smaller NLA and they sound good, so im guessing the 5012 share that sound, but to me the Tannoys sound way more open, but i was already expecting that. Cabinet size may come into play also. I dont what size driver the Tannoy has, but i'd guess its 12"-15" and perhaps full range driver?

[@Shuksanaudio]

Nice! Yea these probably sound very similar, just a bit more range in the low end. I agree, off the bat, the Advents sound really bright and better but with more detailed music the tannoys still sound more musical and find more detail than the advents even though they sound less detailed. Just lovely to listen to. These cabinets have the Monitor Gold 12" dual concentric in them so a two way speaker in one driver. Big fan of the sound. Similar to an altec 604 but without the little multicell horn in the center of the woofer. Thanks for being subscribed for 8 months and coming back! Means a ton to me ❤️

[@mikechaves4510]

Your Tannoys 15 inch gold in a Windsor cabinet (my guess?) can be purchased today for approx $4000 to $5000 versus the Advent 5012s for approx $300 american. If you had put the 5012s on the recommended stands you might have inched even closer to equaling the sound of the Tannoys. Great video tho. Keep up the good work!

[@Shuksanaudio]

Good guess! They are 12 inch in Stuart cabinets. They're worth 2-3K. I sold the Advents for $600. The Tannoys definitely went an octave lower regardless of positioning which helped but the high frequencies on the Advents were very nice. Thank you for watching and being subscribed!

[@Johnathan_Waters]

To my ears the Tannoys really just sound better. Its close, but that's my ruling! haha

[@malybboy]

The Same here

[@Shuksanaudio]

I'm glad to hear that haha. I love those things. Can't wait to get around to updating them.

[@christophertapkins7515]

You gotta learn how to measure speaker drivers and create crossovers. It's actually really fun once you understand and can make a drastic improvement.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Yesss! That is on my list of skills to learn. I want to get more into it next year. I promise it'll happen and when it does I'm gonna go ham making new crossovers for old classic speakers haha

[@lanceamundsen3771]

Truly an outstanding video. It deserves way more views than it has. But I almost passed when I first saw your appearance, because I thought "amatuer". A haircut and a shave would go a long way in promoting your channel. Sorry... that's harsh, but appearance goes a long way if one is trying to portray seriousness in their message. You could have hundreds of k's views on a video of this quality. Take that extra step.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video. I don't care if you don't like my appearance. I make videos to enjoy them and I am not an expert. I am, however, always learning and teaching what I know. If people can't see past what I want to look like, that's their problem.

[@Red-yx5yo]

I just found three pair in a storage unit. I have a real problem. i bought those 2 other pair and Sansui 5000X

[@Shuksanaudio]

@@Red-yx5yo wooow that’s so cool! I’d be freaking out with a find like that haha

[@VikasGupta-bx5qv]

Tannoys have better range but both sound great.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Good catch! They do have better range. They are supposed to go down to around 35 hz where the advents roll off a few hz higher. Thanks for watching!

[@malybboy]

I like better tannoy not recaped. They sound really similar to my (all original) pioneer hpm 40 MK2.

[@Shuksanaudio]

Nice! Yes, the Tannoys have a very nice sound to them. Very musical/warm and yet very detailed at the same time. I've heard good things about the HPM 40s as well! Thanks for watching!

[@Tron1731]

Sounded muddy before recapping

[@Shuksanaudio]

Agreed!

[@sargentmaxis]

A had no bass b had lot of bass

[@Shuksanaudio]

Interesting, I wonder if that was because A was recapped and that brightened up the high end more whereas they were muddier before the recap. Thanks for watching!