Retaliator Gold Standard first look on 3.23.1 PTU Star Citizen

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[@EdmundRobinson]

Turn on the lights?

[@uddek]

Why? Did you actually want to see the interior? 😅

[@rooster1012]

They were on the ship is dimly lit.

[@EdmundRobinson]

@@rooster1012 Not likely. I've seen so many vids reviewing ships in the dark when I get on the ship in game it's simply because they didn't turn on the lights. 😐 A lot review the entire ship before turning on the power. 😐

[@RedJay]

@@rooster1012 Yes - lights are bugged at the moment, I did another pass today and found some hallways work better with aux lights.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

The changes to the crew elevator gives me hope for how they may rework the crew elevator aboard the Reclaimer.

[@RedJay]

I'm sure that will be fixed eventually - it's a shame the front elevator to ground on Reclaimer I just ignore it exists currently and use the rear elevator for everything. The internal elevator that is forward I use it only because I have to to traverse ship internally effectively.

[@FuriousImp]

Regarding the reclaimer I'm hoping for a rework that will implement the original plans of breaking ships apart with the Reclaimer claw. Now it's just a copy paste of mining gameplay. We need the maelstrom physics system for that though... By the way: the actual 3D model of the claw was remade. It used to be like a giant pair of pliers.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

@FuriousImp I liked the claw! It has a smaller pair of secondary claws either side of the main claw(saw it on the 3D print versons), that I want to see used to retrieve valuable items like fuses, weapons and batteries to be auto deposited into the cargo hold.

[@FuriousImp]

@@andrewcoulthard-clark Really? That's not my impression when I checked it out in EVA for over an hour. It was a giant pair of pliers that could chomp down and articulate forward and backyard. To take the bits and pieces in - there are 2 done operator seats on the top deck with a launch bay on that top deck, and that loading hatch all the way to the back of the ship in the section called "salvage hold" right underneath "salvage processing" where the printers are now installed. Or was there another version out there that I'm not aware of?

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

@FuriousImp Yep, google image 'Star Citizen Reclaimer Claw' and you can see Devs early intended concepts.

[@justindupre7274]

I would love to see a cargo variant of the Valkyrie, replacing the jump seats. Or let me double stack the 32 or whatever SCU to 64, that'd be dope.

[@RedJay]

Valk's cargo/vehicle grid has long been a hot topic since CIG tried to prevent parking a rack of cargo there at begining then pulled back on that allowing it. I am not sure if there will ever be more cargo allowed in Valk, but certainly from a practical standpoint it could work if allowed.

[@Wh1terider]

I hope they make medical, actual bomber and shielded modules for the Tali.

[@RedJay]

Bomber module would be easiest to get running I believe, only a bit of aiming system for the bombs when in "guns/missile" modes and changes there... but medical in the rear module bay would be especially useful because that would run well with the front dropship module.

[@JS-wt8vf]

Scanning it should easily reveal the loadout and crew compliment. Great overview and production values including sound. Nice work.

[@RedJay]

Thank you, I've worked hard on production values overall and it seems like every few months I find a new thing to improve. I think scanning will be muddied by busy shipping lanes and only a few seconds to can someone down between quantums unless we are talking about quieter systems that are big distances with long cooldown timers in routes... but that of course goes all out the window if players get intelligence on incoming ships from a friendly tip or if players can scan other ships that are in quantum. And yea, going planet/moonside into an atmo of some kind will slow folks down a lot to aide with getting a grapple on what kind of loadout and contents the ship is running.

[@LostTerminalVideos]

Very interesting to see that this ship has the circular docking collar door. I thought that they planned on making all the docking collar doors squares/rectangles like they are with all the ships that can currently dock. Unless I'm missing something and some ships with circular doors can currently dock. I'm curious to see how they plan on pulling that off with the current docking collars

[@RedJay]

The circular doors are the sub-cap standardized docking collars. They are all the same size, then the Cap ships and Quasi-Caps have the bigger non-circular ones.

[@LostTerminalVideos]

@@RedJay Okay that's very interesting to know. Looking forward to seeing them utilize it more since the docking collars are heavily underutilized right now imo

[@rooster1012]

Smaller round one's are for ship to ship docking the larger ones are for station docking, since smaller ships fit in a station hanger they have no need of large docking ports.

[@Wh1terider]

Whats weird is the Tali dropship module doesnt have and pair with a reapawn module for the boots on the ground.

[@RedJay]

Certainly a miss would need to have imprint done on another ship or a nearby outpost/station.

[@shaftoe195]

It could have benefitted from having less turrets, but each turret having larger weapons. After all, it's only a bomber, so having less crew members is better.

[@rooster1012]

It is based on the B-17 Flying Fortress which is why it has so many guns and keep in mind this is a MMO and is meant to be played with other people and rewarded for doing so.

[@BurtMegaming]

Is swapping the modules exclusive to only the base model? Or can we change it on the bomber variant as well?

[@RedJay]

Since launch of base it was considered the bomber is just a base pre-loaded with both front and back S9 torp modules. Advertising pages more recently have tried to pitch base model as its own versitile gunship, but honestly that is all wordsmithing I think.

[@rallen3122]

How do you get cargo in and out of the cargo bay?

[@RedJay]

In the cargo modules, it is through their Connie like elvators in floor of each module. For these base modules, need to work with tractor beam and pass the boxes through the elevator or through the docking collar which can be locked open even when not docked, so can throw boxes outside with tractor beam.

[@PantherKen]

I picked up a Retaliator Base during IAE particularly for the purpose of seeing how CIG planned to address modularity. However, I have a Zeus Mk II CL (very soon TM) and cannot forsee my Tali competing with it for cargo runs. I am strongly considering my San Tok Yai to the Tali bomber proper and possibly consider adding the cargo module. Thanks for this first look and your perspectives! * gives a crisp salute *

[@RedJay]

o7 Initial testers are saying 74 SCU in the Tali cargo module if you use both at same time, and have Connie style drop elevators (but of course nothing like the Connie Taurus with the tractor beam turret facing its big elevator). I think for pure hauling Zeus CL will treat you better especially if you roll with a friend/Orgmate often. Tali is rough for long term use by more than 1 player. Tali versatility though is the value post modularity, but love it for that reason.

[@PantherKen]

@@RedJay 74 SCU is compelling, but a total lack of pilot controlled guns makes this hard to rationalize... except for when AI Blades can run fire protocols or my starter packages can be converted into crew to be gunners in my turrets. It will be great to see how CIG handles this. You've basically convinced me to hold onto or potentially make a CCU chain for a base Tali to replace the one I bought with store credit.

[@RedJay]

Can't hurt in the near term - especially if Tali slowly goes up in price on base model a bit. Agreed in current condition no pilot controlled weapons (other then the S9 torps when 1 or both torp modules are installed) is a bit much.

[@Wh1terider]

Everything on a front line Military ship like yhat should come with a N+1 strategy on components. Anything less for me is most likely a deal breaker fof me. Amazing how QT drives arent redundant!

[@RedJay]

Great point on QT drives, I think even Vanguard series, proud of their mostly doubled up components to take battle damage and enhance reliability lack a second QT drive.

[@gabzsy4924]

I love the look of this ship on the inside, but I hate the outside look unfortunately. It looks alien and dated at the same time. A shame too because the ship is very capable and again, the inside is awesome.

[@RedJay]

Fair, it's had a profile I think CIG did not want to mess up in the golden pass but added hyper modern engines to the back.

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

The cockpit alone it a massive improvement

[@RedJay]

Cockpit, clean egress methods, and modules is the name of the game for the Tali

[@WigglinWigglesGaming]

your original modules? I never saw a mod for sale yet. i had the base since it first came out! when did they sale mods??? :( guess i missed out

[@RedJay]

Back in 2015 CIG sold the cargo, living space, and dropship modules. I gave them to a good friend/Orgmate who loves his Tali. I gurantee those modules will be available on the site again and also sold in game.

[@shoutade9508]

i love the outside of the ship, but i must say i hoped they changed a bit more on the inside, expacily on the top deck... still doesnt feel like its "gold Standard", more like updated only as much as necessary

[@RedJay]

The top deck should have been reworked I agree, even if it changed the look of the exterior silhouette

[@tovirus9818]

Bought it during concept sale way back when. The original Ryan Church concepts had the crew much closer together with remote turret stations similar to the drone control alcoves on the Carrack. But during the transition from concept into game it lost that whole internal esthetic I was looking forward to. So that was probably the first ship I melted almost immediately after release to the live environment 😅 Still like the shape very much but I feel like I’ve outgrown the need for that aggressive Aegis design 😅

[@RedJay]

That's fair and in lore the Retaliator is an older design - but I feel remote turrets would greatly help from a practical perspective. Multi-crew ships are more fun when hanging out together in same place, makes them more accessible for less dedicated Orgs and groups of friends.

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

Tbh this is probably going to be THE cargo hauler for hot zones if u have at least 2 friends with you great HP, range, etc. Also a pretty decent mission ship if u put vheicles in those cargo sections

[@Gofr5]

With big HP nerf the Tali took, I'd argue the 600i rivals it for cargo hauling in hot zones and arguably even beats it, despite the smaller cargo capacity (though we'll see how that looks after the rework). Shame the Tali lost its 300k hp pool.

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

@@Gofr5 biiig target though, and very flashy and easy to detect, I think teh 600i does alot of things well and hopefully even better post gold standard, but I don't think it'll do the same job here

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@Gofr5 Nope, because focus is now on component damage rather than HP pools, which is why some ships are so tanky with high TTKs.

[@snarkylive]

@@Gofr5 it gained 4 additional shields

[@Gofr5]

@@snarkylive Yeah, but that's only 24k. It lost about 162k in hp, so it's still out a difference of 138k compared to before.

[@kiakunyuki]

Im a little confused as to why you didnt demonstrate raising and lowering the cargo bay elevators. I feel like showing that off would been an important point

[@RedJay]

These are the base module bays - I added the VO at beginning due to finding out there is an official cargo module installed front and back some testers got to install and work.

[@antoniovinciguerra8982]

I‘m happy for the people that are in love with the Tally and I‘m curious to see modularity but other than that, it‘s not a ship for me :)

[@RedJay]

Understandable!

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

To me the Talli is going to suffer from MM. it used to be with its large HP and shields you could fly in at 800+ speeds drop a torpedo or two on a target and just keep flying past your target as those torps slowly headed to the target. Even going to quantum if necessary. A very soloable thing. Now there is no getting away with MM speeds and dripping to nav mode lack the HP to tank while you quantum away. A full crew is needed to defend itself. That 6 players . . . I loved the Talli in the prior 3.22 FM but I think it will suffer significantly in MM.

[@hyperelysian4702]

I always thought a torpedo module with 20 s5 torps would be a cool option. I love the rework though!

[@RedJay]

Would be a great missile truck so to speak!

[@ceeb40]

Did they remove the old Radar? That sucks.

[@amd1031]

Hey question do it have a kitchen and bathroom?

[@RedJay]

It has a full size bathroom for hygiene but if looking for full kitchen only comes with a living space module that can be put in front or back.

[@amd1031]

Thank you

[@RedJay]

@@amd1031 Glad to help!

[@le0castle]

When we get AI blades I will main this ship for sure. For now I'll stick to my Connie.

[@RedJay]

Tali will benefit greatly from blade tech for the turrets. Connie a great choice for daily driver across the whole series.

[@PandaGaming-pc2xv]

how many scu fits in it?

[@RedJay]

74 SCU with both cargo modules installed according to early testing.

[@FrazzleCat]

Very nice looking ship, it's great to see the modularity for it. 👍 I like the design although I do wonder how effective that small doorway will be for moving sizes 1 or 2 SCU boxes. I also wonder if using the loadout manager is a temporary thing to get it into players' hands. I had fully expected it to at least be similar to automatic loading of cargo: Use a kiosk, adjust the ship, wait for the modules to become "ready" and then you can retrieve your ship. But regardless, what a time to be in the game.

[@Gofr5]

The modules in this video are the base modules, not the cargo modules. The proper cargo modules have a lowering floor elevator for loading and unloading cargo like the Connies and some larger Origin ships have.

[@FrazzleCat]

@@Gofr5 Ah thank you for the info, I appreciate it.

[@Accuracy158]

Still pretty bad. The cargo bays have to drop down like Connie elevators or something not carried through the submarine halls and I still wish they would do something with the guns rather than just cover the whole thing in manned turrets. This just shouldn't be a 6 or 7 crew ship they were originally trying to justify as ages ago before they good at ship design. There is something about the looks I like though.

[@RedJay]

The cargo modules do drop on elevators - I am working to get a version with the proper cargo modules installed.

[@RJYOUNG396]

Constructive criticism: I'd get a more quiet mouse/keyboard setup for your streams. The Logi MX Keys/MX Master 3S is nearly dead silent and the quality of your videos is made so much better when you can't hear CLICK CLICK THUNK THUNK THUNK. Idk why many streamers will spend hundreds or thousands on a mic, but don't consider the audible aspects of their other equipment. (this is just a pet peeve of mine and I realize it's petty in the grand scheme of things) ☝

[@Blue-Mystic]

i dont think he knows that you just cn NOT bedlog while in QT

[@adamclay2161]

Where are the lights?

[@RedJay]

Lights were bugged in Tali on this build sonsome hallways only had lighting at ends OR auxilary/damage control options. Tried to offer best combo of regular and auxilary lighting to tour the ship.

[@terrandysart3587]

Is it that dark or did you just have the ship off?? Can’t see shit lol

[@RedJay]

Tali has a lighting issue currently, some locations are not lit at same time depending on light choices.

[@DaGhostToast]

Ive loved the design of this ship since it released but the interior just sucks so much. So much space wasted on hallways

[@RedJay]

Exactly, and fair enough on the hallways - the redunancy of the rear hallways (and attached crewed turrets on those hallways) is a hallmark of military designs in that a huge hole knocks out a left hallway, you still have a right hallway to quickly get to back of ship and evacuate to middle of ship... but that makes sense more on larger scale craft like HH and Idris for examples that have more space for double hallways.

[@sudonix5923]

I'm disappointed in the rework. The layout of the retaliator is dumb and doesn't make sense. Needs smaller crew and less guns but larger. And let snot even get started on crew and crew support amenities for a ship meant to go out on hunter/killer missions (which is what a sub does) for days/weeks/months at a time.

[@RedJay]

The living quarters module would need to be added to get full kitchen/decent space to form up between fights - guess the back one then front module carrying 4 S9 tarps, but then you are cutting off 1/3rd of the potential damage of the ship.

[@sudonix5923]

@@RedJay it's just a bad design from the same 'era' as the star farer. It needs an entire rework which is what I thought they were doing. The changes they made didn't actually fix the issues with the ship to begin with. To put it into perspective, it has a larger crew than a carrack. If the Javelin and Bengal are "the only ships in the UEE large enough to afford enough sleeping quarters for each of their crew so they don't have to share racks", and the Carrack WAS a UEE Explorer and the Tali IS a UEE Torpedo Boat, then we have to assume the crew hot racks. If that's the case, then the Tali would have a max crew of 14 and the Carrack with a max of 12... But either way, the thought process behind the Tali when they were designing it wasn't that deep which is what I thought the rework was going to address.

[@royzevisionneur2045]

I can't see anything I think I turned blind or something

[@RedJay]

ali has a lighting issue currently, some locations are not lit at same time depending on light choices.

[@davewills148]

Ships need glass and windows, this has none?...Star Citizen is supposed to have beautiful vistas, nebulea, planets and moons, its a game, not a military sim, tint them, make them one way to appease the OORAH knuckle heads. But I do have a couple of CCU's, so hope the price goes up im after a Liberator.

[@RedJay]

Tali base should be a good springboard for CCU chains. I get where you are coming from with the windows and game ain't ARMA, but ships are made for all kinds of folks. My daily driver is a Phoenix Emerald most days thanks to its windows and layout as I agree with you. I see military ships, especially very old designs (in lore) like the Tali as a useful tool to use occasionally.

[@jaon8645]

More bugs ☹

[@RN1441]

Remember though it's early days according to the narrator (here in year 12 of development after hearing for years about how they were taking time to get the pipelines in place seven years ago).