RETESTED What's The Most EFFICIENT Way To Get Materials - 7 Days To Die Episode 11

[@IzPrebuilt]

Next ep kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZq6d2lqjZ1-oac

[@1abesli1]

They should give the steel shovel a 15-20% gathering bonus when digging dirt, sand, cobblestone and similar stuff.

[@Blitzcreeper239]

Steel shovel being obsolete aside, honestly I'd do unspeakable things to make shovels ignore grass when being swung.

[@leemccann280]

I'm not sure I like the specific idea, but it needs something like that for sure

[@LamontGranquist]

@@Blitzcreeper239 lawnmower mod for the drone

[@Blitzcreeper239]

@@leemccann280 The only other direction would be nerfing the iron shovel, which I also wouldn't really mind. A smaller nerf would be to only increase the health of pallets in POIs.

[@Blitzcreeper239]

@@LamontGranquist Yeah mods solve all your problems but the simpler solution is to have to dig without caring about grass in the first place, feels so silly that your full-force shovel impale gets stopped by a bush.

[@scotttruehart8024]

The thing about the auger is that it also combines the shovel and the pick into one tool, meaning youd have an extra hotbar slot for a weapon or meds. But, it also means you have to carry gas.

[@vohrtechs5974]

Really appreciate you taking the time to test this out! I'm doing an INT build currently and I'm not investing into Miner or Motherlode heavily until late game. A decent auger and the crafting discounts should help offset that based on what I'm seeing. Great vid as always!

[@huff3782]

I play with player block damage at +25% because it doesn't really help in the late game but makes the early game a bit less tedious for me. As you say in this vid a bit of extra block damage doesn't always lead to fewer hits to break a block. The setting ends up buffing the low level stone axes more than anything else.

[@loki1300]

Another tip for mining that I use often. Is if you dig straight down to bedrock, then build a long shaft in a direction (like 50-100 or so blocks away), you can dig and go crazy and all the screamers will spawn above you, but not know where you are, as the tunnel entrance is so far the AI doesn't see it. And since they dont know that you are below them, they dont dig down either. Its how I do any sort of "long term" mine shaft. Of course the big issue with this sort of mining is you rely on luck to find the minerals that you want, but its not normally a big deal.

[@darcfaze6482]

Love this info. Funny though, I went on a POI run, left my stuff running. When I got home, there were 3 'doorways' in various exterior walls, and a single screamer running amok. I usually get rid of all ground level doors & doorways, so I after that, I gave the zombies a single defensive doorway to attack in hopes they wouldn't do more damage to my base. I did assume the FP changed zombie behavior.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

As a beginner who just bought the game, what a gem. Thank you

[@hideorash]

Thanks for all the 7 content you put out , its appreciated very much

[@anthonyweber9093]

I've never really cared for the auger or chainsaw but I will have to start using the auger on clay thank you for the information

[@SimplyArt21]

Thank you for visually proving to us what is better. For the record I would have taken your word for it :)

[@jordanrobinson2543]

Very informative iz thx. I usually build a small base at the top of my mine shaft and connect the tunnel under my main base. I keep the mini bike down there to traverse the tunnel since it has no use after you get the motorcycle. This is always how i choose my base location

[@captainjimo]

I did some testing of my own and noticed that the steel pick does a LOT more damage so stone like blocks than the iron pick. ~80% more than the listed block damage (this is without any mods)

[@kubiboi]

yeah i was wondering about it yesterday when i almost hit a concrete block for nearly 1000 with a heavy attack

[@jimdob6528]

Yeah that extra 25% worse is easily made up for with not having to set up traps and stop to deal with screamers and such

[@homohawk]

Agreed!

[@crystalpetrosky6188]

I love that you're incorporating your tests into your current gameplay, instead of stand-alone videos. It gives a very different feel that just works. Good job!

[@phenixslayer21]

One thing that is another benefit of the auger is that it's one tool to harvest multiple resources.

[@scootgorlen1818]

Personally I think A21 update is a like stepping stone update for the next update. Like the system they're playing around with is the progression system. I think they're are going to be 2 huge updates that is going to change progression. The first has already happened, learn by reading. The second is going to be the outfits that buff you. I believe that the Art of Mining bonus that allowed you to 1 shot blocks is going to come back as an outfit bonus. This will change the resource gathering tests once that update drops. The real question is how are you going to obtain outfits, will there bonus's be applied if you has X amount of the outfit equipped and if you have X amount of points into a stat that will allow you to wear the outfit and be proficient in wearing it. I believe, if TFP can deliver, A22 is going to be another game changer to how progression works. Maybe it'll be as broken... maybe not. Who knows.

[@satiivaindiica]

What other evidence do you have to support this? I like the idea but It's a bit hard to believe.

[@scootgorlen1818]

@@satiivaindiica which part are you questioning or asking for evidence? TFP has already come out and talked about the outfits being themed and using to buff the player. They just haven't gone in depth about it. That is of course, subject to change about the outfits though. The outfits could just be cosmetics and wont do a thing to the player. They just haven't been forth coming what they will do. It would make alot of since they for them the throw the outfit concept away because the progression seems kinda half baked. In A20, the game supported alot of team play with skill progression. If you had 5 players each player would be specc'd in 1 stat to cover all the bases for material and utility stuff. This made playing A20 kinda punishing for solo play. Doable absolutely but was favored toward group play. Now, in A21 progression is more solo oriented with the learn by reading. So, this is where I'm theorizing and I have no proof. I think A22 will bring on the outfits they've been talking about and change up the progression again and bring in more of the team based skill progression. It would make sense for them to keep on messing with the game progression in the next patch. But who knows.

[@tpeel6309]

Thank you for the testing! I like the steel tools vs the auger. It may be faster but I have a tough time controlling it and my tunnels end up looking like sh*t. Interesting episode. Thanks again!

[@dustinsmith608]

I have been playing A21 on a server for a while now. we are on day 178 now with normal 1 hour days. I would say most of the time on the server was me. I have mined a good bit and I only use an auger for mining. I normally keep the auger going as to not generate more heat. but I think the heat is broken right now. I have mined for days and days with out being bothered by ANY screamers. I have had a few zombies come and bother me but it was either a wondering hoard or just random zombies walking about that happened to hear me. I have had one screamer come and to do that I had to click on and off the auger for a solid 30+ seconds. I have also noted that I have 4 forges and 2 chem stations going constantly in my base and hardly ever get a screamer and my base is in the wastelands. I can remember when mining was actually some what concerning as every 4-5 mins I would get a screamer and her mini hoard. I would normally use junk turrets to help protect me. but since A21 and all of its patches thus far I have yet to have any issues mining. even when I try to get a screamer to spawn most of the time they dont.

[@ethanlevishamsmiths]

So basically, the auger is great for anyone not running a strength assisted build, as they would not have miner 69er

[@ethanlevishamsmiths]

lol commented this 5 seconds before you said this in the vid

[@meeserbaker]

I don't know if anybody else here has mentioned it or if you do, I'm only about 30% of the way through the video, but something I feel that is important to mention is that the pickaxe, once you get down past the clay layer, (like about two blocks) and you're digging out a giant cave like you did, all of that sand down there you can also one-shot with the pickaxe. You don't need to switch between your shovel and pickaxe anymore which is huge for the pickaxe in a 1 v 1 against the auger. Art of mining might not be very good anymore but I feel like these changes to the pickaxe and stamina and block damage to sand and rock/iron are really good and outweigh the nerf to the book series.

[@daniel6919-e7t]

Thanks a lot for the testing! The auger is considered as a digging tool, which is by "accident" also quite good at mining, isn't it? In Undead Legacy for example there is an updated version of the auger which is considered a digging and mining tool.

[@farty90]

Long may the series continue

[@Myqqi]

I don't think the Q6 Auger would perform any differently. You were doing exactly 100 damage to blocks, a ~10% wouldn't cause it to break a block in less hits. I suppose it would ensure you could get that 100+ damage per hit though, since we don't know where your Auger falls on the variable damage stat. But... yeah, I think your auger was already doing as good as it gets for these tests.

[@morak8188]

there are another benefits of the auger compared to the other tools. the auger replaces the pickaxe and the shovel. one more inventory slot, less tool switching, no animation lock when trying to switch tool/weapon while swinging ...because a stupid zombie/dog appeared right at that moment and as you said, no stamina usage.

[@Rousiux]

auger+gas……pickaxe+shovel

[@BeauregardQuitman]

While I understand that you want a true one to one test between the two tools heat build up is a legitimate concern. Not sure how you would factor that in but I think I would prefer the pick axe just to save resources and to prevent heat build up. Thanks for the videos.

[@juancarloang]

Not sure if many others noticed, but not only did they buff the block damage of steel tools, but they also buffed the stamina usage. In A20, even with full S.Rex and mining perks, steel tools will drain the heck out of stamina, even with coffee. But in A21, a dedicated strength mining build with coffee will never need motor tools.

[@faminedragonws5088]

i woulda died laughing if your truck fell in your giant mining hole, very close to the edge

[@jaylebo2025]

My big takeaway question from this is how good can you get an iron pickaxe? How does a level 6 iron pickaxe with the best possible mod combination, maxed out miner 69’er and mother load, as well as the mining book upgrades for good measure scale up?

[@alexandersen1372]

i think the point of the Steel shovel and L6 steel pick is for those people like myself who only put in a couple of starting levels of Str and focus elsewhere.

[@h13n12]

in my own testing, the tier 5 steel pick and tier 5 auger is pretty much the same(less than 300 difference) and if you can get tier 6 of both tools the difference would only be about 2k stone in 4 minutes of mining

[@JohnnyEnigma]

Very good research on this. Hopefully I can use this info once I move from my stone axe era into iron tools lol

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

The thing I've seen that's different is there's bigger clusters of ores all bunched together. I found one that had 9 iron nodes sticking up in one little area.

[@houjisaifeddine5524]

for those tests, the results come down to speed. the tool that allows you to break more blocks in the same amount of time will win. the only exception is clay. not only is the shovel slower, but it also gets less ressources per block for some reason (44 clay for shovel vs 48 for the auger, per block. no idea why this difference exists). so even if they both had the exact same speed, the shovel will still lose hard against the auger

[@djbeasley4683]

I prefer the auger because it melts 10k blocks and I only have to carry one tool for harvesting vs also having to carry a shovel around. When I am mining I always create a shaft with the see through frames so that if anything comes after me they are sitting there at the top of the shaft for me to shoot at.

[@Blitzcreeper239]

Regarding the boosting block damage comments: I think people may be thinking of mining, yes, but also cracking into safes and breaking through doors, like pre-dungeon crawler 7 days to die. But I imagine if you gave the zombies the same liberties(block damage boost) it also makes horde nights harder.

[@IzPrebuilt]

Nonono, these people are explicitly talking about material gathering in their comments. Missing a lot of context in what i said there but yeah, i meant mining.

[@holomatic1549]

I guess it boils down to a few easy points: Auger: + Doesn't use stamina, lower food/water consumption. + Multitool, can do the work of three tools at once. - Generates heat like a bitch. - Consumes fuel. - Expensive crafting, needs motor tools unlocked. · Makes noise, which can get annoying. Pick: + Generates much less heat. + Can be faster than Auger in some cases. + Can be found earlier in game progression. - Consumes stamina, higher food/water consumption. - Benefits A LOT from strenght builds.

[@davidchesterton4033]

about the axe test do you have the tempered blade mod and the fireman axe mod on your axe because they increase block damage beyond being just a mod. they would influence the test because they cant go on a chainsaw

[@IzPrebuilt]

they are on the axe. They will be used because that's a completely fair reason to use an axe over the chainsaw IF those mods made it faster than the chainsaw (it might perhaps definitely not be faster to use the axe either way)

[@davidchesterton4033]

@@IzPrebuilt ya its kinda sad tempered blade mod cant go on the pick, auger, or chainsaw. it can go on the shovel but that matters little once you have decent one

[@ninjarnb]

Can't wait to see... the wood test!😋

[@AnguraAnjelus]

The real bonus on the Shovel/Pick vs auger is more the fact its less to carry around. Though the balancing is defiantly worth note. It in the end now, unlike it used to be, comes down to preference at this point. Which is honestly well worth it in the long run. Guess its time to see chainsaw vs axe now, see if it's worth carrying around chainsaws for more than the casual zombie massacre lulz. Which mind you isn't the greatest weapon in 7D2D, it's just fun to do from time to time when you can get away with it.

[@wolfman011000]

I have always favoured the pickaxe when mining ores, mainly because of the noise they make, 1] it's sodding annoying and 2] it is so loud you can not hear a horde/bears/dogs coming till they are close. Interesting about the auger with clay soil grinding there the speed and volume of resources and not being trapped underground make it very worth while. What are your thoughts on HP ammo? i prefer AP for it's armour penetration and combined with the penetrator perk was great for horde nights it you use a base that lines them up. Thanks for the testing video, Take care, God bless one and all.

[@oxaydon_s1lence260]

The auger should be really get a buff in terms of "Rocky" ore types. I mean it has the mentioned disadvantages. If you consider it is called the better tier it really should outperform the pickaxe in any mining aspect. So you should have to choose between way faster mining and way safer mining. I mean If you compare the weapons for example. MG40 way better then the AK. The autoshotgun also way better then the Pump. The Sniper... You get the point I guess.

[@firesayer23grumpybuns75]

I choose steel pick for sound alone. The auger is just so annoyingly loud. The steel pick is kind of satisfying

[@satiivaindiica]

There's still Stamina cost with steel tools. So with that calculated in the auger would probably be the way to go.

[@jackklbk8098]

would like to see tier 6 auger vs pickaxe due to pick axe not getting better at lvl 6 on nodes it oneshots

[@MoldyEggroll]

I appreciate your tests. Suggestion, as it works for me. When I'm mining I plug up my hole with a block and the zombies just run around up top. I don't get interrupted during a dig session. Have you considered this? Is there a flaw I'm unaware of?

[@dpowell3702]

Learned some stuff there , thanks

[@20SidesOfZeke]

Does the mining book still exist that gives you a chance to one-shot any ore? Think that was one thing that gave the fast hitting auger an edge over the pickaxe..

[@joseorellana2014]

I mean it really comes down to if you want to carry 2 tools or 1 but you would also have to carry gas for the auger but you already will be carrying gas for the vehicle you drive so no really any cons just have to be careful spawning a screamer

[@isiahaguilar]

I think the auger wouldve gotten more coal if you mined in a new coal node since everywhere you look there will be coal and you dont have to move and walk as much, moving/walking is less time gathering unlike the pickaxe who had first dibs on the coal area to mine wherever it wants. The auger does speed up farming but has a lot of threat in using it, if youre at the stage where you can use auger, you are probably strong enough to deal with the screamers. I still would use the pickaxe since carrying gas and dealing with screamers are annoying, would use auger when i want to have a quick farming run though.

[@clownofwar]

Level 6 auger with all upgrades Plowes trough the earth and resources like a hot knife through butter. Love the auger and a short trip to the dessert ill be swimming in gasoline so i see no problem there.

[@christianfarney2416]

Vids are amazing

[@neon2Rabbit]

Helpful stuff. Thanks

[@minmaxmedia]

Unless TFP changed it in Alpha 21, I don't think coffee buzz affects gather rate for the motorized tools such as the auger so drinking coffee when mining/testing with the auger was likely just a waste of coffee. I could be wrong.

[@IzPrebuilt]

It does and did work now and in alpha 20

[@stevedixon921]

If you can one-shot topsoil with an iron shovel it makes the steel shovel far less useful (other than durability perhaps). Personally, I almost always use the pickaxe for ore, but the auger for clay (mostly for noise versus yield), unless my stamina is poor and I just want to get in and out.

[@Vloog95]

Finally the CLAY CONTENT!!

[@KJOokami]

Auger definitely needs a massive buff if this is the case. Given that it causes significantly more heat and requires gas to use, there's really no reason for the Steel Pick to be giving comparable ore yields, much less outperforming it entirely. Just makes the auger borderline useless. Doesn't even free up an inventory slot since the slot you'd be using for a shovel just gets eaten up by the gas anyway.

[@IzPrebuilt]

The real niche the auger holds is allowing non-strength builds to mine somewhat quickly (still nothing compared to a strength build) because it doesn't use stamina so if you have a 1str build with no miner69er using the auger is better because you'll need to be using a stone axe to stop yourself constantly running out of stamina. So by the simple benefit of being better than a stone axe but not having to stop every 5 swings for 10 seconds to regen stamina the auger should massively out perform it. But for a strength build, or even just someone with like 3 ranks of miner69er? Pick probably wins.

[@foremanhaste5464]

Been ages since I played 7dtd, but does (or did it ever) damage overrun (damage that goes over the block's HP) give resources proportional to the overrun or are resources from a block always the same all other modifiers being the same? I ask because if you had a steel pick with a higher damage roll or higher tier, this could skew results. Particularly on the stone test were steel pick is "capped" and auger might get better with a better roll. I take it you had all 7 mining perk books for this test? Last time I tested any of this was maybe A19 when finding the mythically difficult to find T6 steel pickaxe with the damage roll to one shot stone was grind enough. Very glad to see that craftable steel pickaxe can now reach this without some of the best damage rolls.

[@kjigl]

When they got rid of the art of mining bonus that gives you a chance to one shot ores it kinda killed the auger for me honestly

[@joshuaaaronfinn3212]

Intelligent and I appreciate that.

[@radircs9978]

When you talk about needing fule for the workstation at the viedeo start, was the woodstump you need for the forge craft not way more fule efficient in special if you do REALLY long crafts? I am currently not on my main PC so can't test it but maybe somthing you shuld try?

[@IzPrebuilt]

It's not more fuel efficient. It cost however much wood and gives you the same amount of fuel burning time as that amount of wood. It just reduces clicks. I just use coal.

[@radircs9978]

@@IzPrebuilt Ah ok thanks then it is just a feel better, thanks for clarefying

[@famijher]

Welcome to Math with Professer Prebuilt. He will teach you what you need to know.

[@NickTheQuick82]

I never ever go mining without some Rock Busters and Coffee. Especially since im using the Dukes from Stones Trick with the Trader Automates. I have like 3mil Dukes. So buying snacks isn't a problem. I spent last night to dig with the auger 1,2km to a friend underground I'm not i would have been able to do so if i used the steel pickax, i mean stamina counts a lot on the long run. And didn't you need to consume more food while mining with stamina? That would be another downside! Considering all that the Auger still wins, don't u think?

[@kelefgaming2795]

Auger in A20 was soooo much better, i don't know why they changed it, it's pissing me off...

[@aj863]

Off topic, but are they going to buff the abysmally shite pipe shotgun? most of the other pipe weapons fire multiple shots and are actually really decent when modded. The pipe rifle isn't bad either, as the slow reload is less of a problem.

[@quicksilver2923]

wonder how fast you could get t5 steel tools by focusing magazines early game

[@banu6301]

I think in the first test the auger did worse because he wasn't fully breaking some of the blocks so even though he got more stone with the auger, the pickaxe is still a safer choice since you're definitely gonna fully break the blocks BTW: Doesn't crouching lowet the heat output of everything? (Pickaxe and auger)

[@vohrtechs5974]

Unless they changed it crouching reduces heat generation by 50% in all cases.

[@Md936S]

BTW does day cycle length (60min, 120 mi etc.) affect tree growth times? Or is is fixed in terms of X IRL time?

[@iambiggus]

Great info.

[@activevolve2669]

Hey just wondering if you saw eveyones comments on the second horde night video? Do you plan on making the newer horde base using the 11 blocks mechanic?

[@whiteraven550]

Do you have a fireaxe mod for the axe test? Since it only goes on axes i assume the axe being better than the chainsaw.

[@IzPrebuilt]

the axe test is in the next video and I do use the fireman's mod for the axe.

[@edmundocalderonesteban5655]

If the fast and big (I don't remember the atk speed perk name) worked with the tools there might be a difference.

[@mrhyde2121]

So basically on a strength build use a pickaxe, if not use an auger

[@stoppop]

Hey prebuilt can since you can’t do a multiplayer world with anyone else can I play with you?

[@dim_reapa8977]

Yeah my impression of a21 has not been helped by horde spawning. On day 11 I open Trader Joel's front gate and am greeted with a wandering horde of 10 zombie dogs that just immediately attack. Obviously I die, no chance whatsoever. A handful of sweatlords have the pimps dialling this shit up that a casual like me is wondering why this is even a supposed survival game, as one often doesn't. Death may not matter in game but the frequency of it in my recent playthroughs has been immersion shattering and heavily undermined the half dozen changes about this alpha that I actually like. The core mechanics of coming up against zombies, especially in certain POIs are so cheap, but TFPs want to make the game increasingly binary in how one solves problems and plays out of fear of players using cheap solutions. The irony is they're just forcing players to use more of them and come up new ones. Its quite amazing that they've managed to make progression in this game almost as annoying as Valheim and sometimes more.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

The most important difference is you can't hear them coming with the auger but you can with the hand tools.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

I've never gotten a screamer in alpha 21 using a pick on ores.

[@IronBallscutter]

Trying to Build Prebuilt end horde base design out of steel "35k is enough to last you a while" meanwhile just for the foundation you need over 1000 steel blocks "going 2 blocks into the soil for that good ol fashion German engineering"

[@Hriedmarrj]

I feel like the auger needs to be buffed significantly to make it superior in all ways to a steel pick, but the pick should stay at its current level. Just saying as a new player enjoying the game so far. I would have thought the aug to be stronger than it is with its downsides vs a rank 5 iron pick, especially with just a rank 1-3 auger

[@ggman367]

Well, an auger IRL is meant for dirt and clay Honestly, if they want something that dies better on stone/metal, the devs or moders should add a jack hammer or something along the lines

[@techmago]

the map is randon gen?

[@NeRuJuNe]

Great video! How do you protect your base from the screamers?! Im really tired of that ones

[@IzPrebuilt]

I shoot them

[@vohrtechs5974]

I put one door (that I never actually use) on ground level since they always path to them, then put a dart trap facing down right above the door wired to a plate switch in front of the door. It's quick, cheap, and completely automatic. If you do this with a door you plan on using, place a switch before the plate switch so you can turn it off, or always sprint thru the doorway.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

​@@vohrtechs5974don't the darts destroy the pressure plate?

[@vohrtechs5974]

@@MrHarumakiSensei Dart trap only fires when an entity is on the plate, so that 2 points of block damage takes a long time to wear down the plate, if it actually hits the plate at all. Most just hit the dead body as it stops firing.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

@@vohrtechs5974 I never tried it because I thought damage to the plate would be too much. I forgot the body would absorb a lot of the darts. Thanks for the tip!

[@RappidsLord]

Just got done watching your old version of this just to see you made this 💀

[@elduquecaradura1468]

wait, Iron Shovels should do the same damage than a steel shovel, but at a faster rate, that would affect the results?

[@IzPrebuilt]

this was done with an iron shovel. so no. The steel shovel would be slower than the iron shovel and the iron shovel was 1/3 the speed of the auger.

[@syphon583]

No they would be the same rate. Even though the steel technically does more damage, they both 1-shot clay (assuming you're using a high enough quality level iron shovel). You also don't swing a steel shovel any faster than an iron shovel either. It just uses more stamina. There is literally no advantage to use a steel shovel because what else do you use a shovel for than digging up clay and resource pallets (which also go down with one shot). It would actually be a downgrade due to the increased stamina usage. IMO, what they should do to increase the steels shovel's usefulness is quite the opposite. Reduce the amount of stamina it costs to use it. It is a more efficient tool (theoretically) and thereby should be easier and less intensive to use. It's meant to be an "end-game" tool. Make it worth it.

[@fidoras007]

that bonus for 20% chance to one shot ore should stay as is, auger in A20 was fun.. Now it is sooooo boring to mine ores with it + you get more screamers +it mostly is not faster than picx + it uses quite a lot fuel + its loud af... so, where is any benefit against picx? i do not see any major upgrade from steel picx... they messed this up so bad, same with water collectors which magicaly generates glass jars... I found T6 auger with 40.8 block damage, its still kinda useless.. wtf tfp :(

[@jailsondias4102]

This sucks. The auger needs a big buff. Just think about it, in what world a motorized tool would lose to a damn pickaxe? Auger is the next tier and should be better.

[@bloppernats]

build wooden logs, they burn for a long amount of time and dont even need that much wood to make

[@oNobodyo]

Since when does coffee have any effect when using the auger?

[@IzPrebuilt]

The Progression.xml file says that it affects anything with the the tag "miningTool" which in items.xml appears on the stone axe, iron pick, steel pick, taza's axe and the auger but not the iron axe, steel axe or chainsaw.

[@oNobodyo]

@@IzPrebuilt It always has but testing said otherwise. Give it a go.

[@IzPrebuilt]

@@oNobodyo Just did. I used a steel pick on nitrate with max motherlode and got 100 nitrate. Did it with coffee and got 104. Did it with an auger w/o coffee and got 100 nitrate. Did it with an auger and coffee and got 104. So i can say for certain that it is atleast working in Alpha 21. I cannot be assed to go back to A20 and test it though. Point is: It works.

[@oNobodyo]

@@IzPrebuilt That's got to be an a21 thing. I tested it in a19 and first release a20. Thx for giving it a quick test. I do appreciate it. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@SkylerLinux]

The Steel Pick could probably get better at 6, because of less stamina use.

[@meeserbaker]

With miner 69er up to 4 you never need to stop for stamina. Ever. It's awesome. Unless youre using power attacks you dont run out. So no a lvl 6 really wouldn't make a difference in this scenario Edit and also power attacks are pointless when mining as they aren't even close to double damage. Its like maybe 5% more block damage so its pointless it just guarantees you run out of stam. However for weapons it makes huge difference. Like against entities. But blocks, no.

[@TheMan-ct7lu]

Maybe the lvl6 Augur can onehit the grass soil

[@IzPrebuilt]

The level 6 auger is 10% better than the level 5 and the level 5 needs to hit it 3 times. No, it cannot.

[@malguskerensky]

Would not use the stack options in crafting, the time vs material save just does not seem worth while any more. Stacks take an insane amount of time to craft in the chemist station, should be reviewed for balance...but I won't hold my breathe.

[@pjmoran7092]

What’s in the doof box?

[@IzPrebuilt]

read it backwards

[@pjmoran7092]

tramS

[@noxsamus397]

don't you get more resources the higher tier tool you use?

[@IzPrebuilt]

No, it's based on the class of tool and the ore itself. An iron pick, steel pick and auger will all get the same amount of ore. Just at different speeds.

[@noxsamus397]

@@IzPrebuilt is that not weird? should it not be better to get more per swing of the tool on higher tier tools, wel atleast its basic logic to me. they should totally change that.

[@Wineblood]

Why test with 5 minutes of mining and risk all the zombies/screamers? Surely doing 30 seconds will show the same ratio.

[@Tarkovrat69]

Let’s gooo 12 min late

[@RageyRage82]

I will always prefer a pickaxe anyways. For one, the noise the auger makes kinda nauseates me. Second, it attracts screamers even more than the pickaxe. And the gasoline and repair kits needed, not my thing. But then again, I have not tried the auger since A21. But for the sound alone, I just dislike it. I am content with a pickaxe!

[@Raven-Blackwing]

Is this the first truly positive feature of A21?

[@Outliers-777]

Yes

[@centinela8537]

Auger = More Screamers . Pickaxe no screamers

[@jonzkiez8101]

You still get screamers from using picaxe but it takes a long continous use before a screamer comes out.

[@RageyRage82]

If you're mining iron, or lead, it will definitely bring screamers, but just not as many.

[@JayTheProduct]

Just a casual 8 hours of gas crafting lmao

[@IzPrebuilt]

yeah and that was from literally like 7 minutes of oil shale mining, i dont think this game is very well balanced ya know

[@galio69420]

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