Retro Gamer Elitism Is Bizarre

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[@joshuacitron899]

Your feeling are not going to change for the better when you start playing the water temple 😂

[@CarlosXPhone]

Yup. OOT's water temple was almost brutal, but genius.

[@thecomicstar100]

Water temple is legit a part where I stopped playing for a while as a kid.

[@Kwandaman]

Yeah that water temple is a bitch

[@Jaylovewe_are_cookingvegan]

Me too and beat the game 16 years later lol 😂

[@pathogeneration5138]

Ahhh, the sacred Water Temple. It would be a tragedy for to not be streamed.

[@sardineBro]

I’m in my 30s I’ve gamed since I was a kid and I never understood why people feel personally attacked when you have differing opinions on games. It’s just a game

[@carlospandette8001]

That's the thing, those kinda people don't see it as "it's just a game", gatekeepers are the worst.

[@Revanite88]

@@carlospandette8001 people like you and her are why we gate keep you ruin games

[@NOOBEPICASSO]

Im almost 40, its not just a "game" fight me!

[@JoshuaFante]

BS it's away of Life period lol, it's only the kids who got beat up in high school that act that way, they ruin everything n there all married to Karen's too smh, who u think marrys Karen's? Not normal guys cmon

[@butterworthboys4985]

It's because they're losers who wrap up their entire personality into video games.

[@BigmanDogs]

There 100% is a retro gaming echo chamber. You can see this by how the communities opinion on some games have radically changed over the last 10-15 years. And people just adopt the new opinion. Sonic Adventure used to be praised as basically on par with Mario 64, then it wasn't. People used to say Majoras mask was way worse than occarina of time and that it was more of a curiosity, now they don't. People used to hate on Castlevania 2 Simons quest, then they realized that its actually a good game with issues that exist in countless NES games and it was just because AVGN crapped on it. People used to love Donkey Kong 64, now they dont. Mega man legends used to be disliked. There are so many examples.

[@battokizu]

"Mega man legends used to be disliked." name some reviews that gave scathing reviews of it.

[@BryantheArchivist]

Sonic Unleashed is slowly being viewed as a great game, which is absolutely wild to me.

[@BigmanDogs]

@@battokizu I'm talking about the online retro gaming community.

[@BigmanDogs]

@@BryantheArchivist I do think that Sonic unleashed got an unfair treatment due to Sonic being a lolcow back then. But some are going overboard.

[@Maryokutaizero]

For me one of the biggest 'issues', if you even want to call it that, of a younger generation taking over the mantle of content creation, is that a large majority of them are not interested in the past and have no proper knowledge of the medium as a whole, rendering a lot of commentary about contemporary gaming superficial and ill-informed. So I think it's commendable when someone like Josie comes along who actually makes an effort in trying out the classics to see where everything came from and where it lead to. And it's absolutely understandable that few of those classics will have the same impact on someone experiencing them today compared to playing them upon release. The important part is seeing why they were acclaimed at the time. Quality is a time capsule, influence is not.

[@Beefnhammer]

Hit the nail on the head. Pretty much every action-RPG that came after Ocarina (including future Zelda games) has some OOT DNA in it. That's why it retains the status that it has. But to someone who's earliest gaming experiences were with something like the Xbox 360, then of course Ocarina is going to seem archaic. Of course the lack of camera control will be frustrating, and of course the low frame rate and low-res graphics will be jarring.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

@@Beefnhammer I just can't take the exuse of "it's old, of course you'll find it this way". I didn't grow up with the 5th generation so I guess I'm in this same category but even so I can find a hundred different 5th generation games that I find more fun than Ocarina. Sometimes it really isn't just about age.

[@robertkorth2911]

​@THENAMEISQUICKMAN I was born in 87 and I have NEVER cared for oot. Just not my kind of.game

[@planescaped]

@@robertkorth2911 I played Orcarina Of Time as a kid when it came out and didn't like it, and I still don't like it. I get why some people do and I am not saying it is a bad game... but I wholeheartedly agree it is overrated.

[@Tampafan33]

@@planescapedyou cant say its overrated just because you dont like it lmfao.

[@8BitRetroMonkey]

Yo, I’m playing Ocarina of Time right now all these years later and it is STILL the best game ever made.

[@Longlostpuss]

It really isn't, that's too big a statement to make, there's been far better games. Even if you said it's the best _Nintendo_ game ever made, leaving literally every other platform out of the equation, there would still be ALOT of room for debate, because there's been so many other groundbreaking Nintendo games.

[@madspunky]

Yay for you, but it's still not as good as Zelda 3

[@canalultimateattack3169]

@@Longlostpuss are they only better because they were made with more advanced technology?

[@canalultimateattack3169]

@@madspunky by Zelda 3 do you mean ALTTP? It really lacked more cultures to interact with, present in Ocarina.

[@madspunky]

@@canalultimateattack3169 You got a point there, Zelda 5 had more interesting folks. But by that rational, Morrowind or Planescape would be better games. I would argue that Zelda 3 focuses on what makes Zelda games good, and does it better than any other.

[@presstheabutton]

As a lady of a certain age, I wish to impart this piece of wisdom to a younger gaming sister. Other people's feelings and opinions about us matter so much to us when we are younger and we waste so much time feeling bad about push back and criticism. Learn not to care and give the haters no attention. They don't deserve it and you don't deserve the aggravation. It's so freeing not to care anymore and to be able to internally say "fluff off" and move on to the next thing. Don't take any crap, leave it on their doorstep. I'm trying to teach this to my daughter because she gets bullied by boys when she plays VR with voice on. It's not an easy thing to learn.

[@andreealarcon8636]

@presstheabutton As man of a certain age, I agree 100% with you.

[@theonlyculprit]

I agree completely with what she said. Don't worry about what other people say. Do what you like. Ocarina of Time was a 10/10 when I first played it back in 1998, but when I tried to replay it a couple years ago, it didn't hold up well even despite the nostalgia.

[@jimmycarpenter6612]

Exactly. Some games hold up well. Others don't. And that's completely dependent on the individual and their personal opinion.​@@theonlyculprit

[@u.2b215]

It also helps to understand that many of them are just hurt when the game that hits home hard for them because of their childhood experiences isn't universally loved. Some just don't know how to deal with it in a grown manner and their reactions can affect you more on the internet than ten others who do appreciate and respect your take.

[@NicEeEe843]

I mean you guys are mostly playing stardew valley anyway, not much to argue with anyway lmao

[@MachFiveFalcon]

Star Fox Adventures is a very flawed game, but it's also extremely nostalgic for me because I loved playing it as a kid. I always try to understand what people enjoy about different games regardless of my own preferences. Great video!

[@GuitarWithBrett]

“Opinions are like assholes .. everyone has one and they usually stink.”

[@noneofyourbusiness1998]

@@GuitarWithBrett Yep.

[@Iliek]

This is a retard level take.

[@WholeHolyHole]

This was one of my grandpas favorite lines. He lived in Ireland until he was 18 tho so said “opinions are like arseholes, everyone’s got them and they’re always shite”. With his Irish lilt and gravely cigar voice everything he said sounded like the wisest thing you ever heard. I still wish I had that accent. 😂 He was in the US Navy during WW2 and had all the sailor tattoos so I thought he was the coolest grandpa ever.

[@alexisgold]

The way you feel about Ocarina of Time is exactly how I feel about Super Mario 64. I want to like it so badly, but I find it okay at best. I understand how revolutionary it was for its time, but I don't feel like it holds up well and the controls are a massive pain. I dislike the way it controls. It actually turned me off from 3D platformers for YEARS until I tried Super Mario Odyssey and was like....."Wait. This isn't frustrating to play? 3D Mario can be enjoyable??" Banger soundtrack though

[@buffgarfield3231]

That sums up the N64 as a whole. "I really don't like this game, but it has a fucking awesome sound track."

[@jonathanfavourite]

It's hella funny/sad that a youth has to explain basic things -- like subjective value, experiential bias, and basically what opinions are and how talking to other people works -- to the emotionally stunted manchildren that populate the internet

[@losanti555]

@@jonathanfavourite best, truest comment!

[@Beefnhammer]

I love Ocarina of Time to death, partly due to nostalgia, and partly because I believe (given its age) it holds up quite well for the most part. That being said, OOT is never going to blow people's minds like it did in 1998, and nobody should expect that. The best takeaway a younger person can have with it is "Wow, I understand why this was such a big deal at the time" but games have evolved tremendously since then, building on the foundation that OOT created. Expecting someone who's played modern action-RPG's like Elden Ring to be blown away by OOT is just plain silly.

[@Arnsteel634]

I think botw is too spread out. It’s a great game. But it could be done with a lot smaller space imho. Sometimes I get sick of running around and climbing imho. Still love it and totk.

[@Beefnhammer]

@@Arnsteel634 That's true to an extent, BOTW/TOTK would have absolutely worked in a smaller map. But honestly, the vibes of those games (especially BOTW) are so great that I rarely get bored from traveling. It's such an easy game to get lost in. Plus you can fast travel to any shrine, tower, or town.

[@Iliek]

Games really haven't evolved much since OOT. Sure the graphics have changed, there is more fluid control of your character and there are better "QoL" features like a more responsive camera, but the gameplay mechanics have only changed slightly. New mechanics are mostly just gimmicks (Wolf form in TP, weapon durability in BoTW) while the core gameplay stays the same albeit with a different control scheme.

[@butterworthboys4985]

​​@@Arnsteel634the draw distance in those two games and other games like the Xenoblade trilogy is one of the main reasons it's so fun for me to personally explore. It's exciting to see something so far off, wonder what it is, and then make the trip to that destination. But maybe that's just me lol

[@devilsolution9781]

you deffo got stuck on the water temple 😂😂

[@kbar4462]

It really saddens, but not at all surprises me to hear this experience ppl have within the community. It's why i refuse to engage with almost all communities for any of my hobbies. Rather be happy with myself than miserable with others. Keep your head up 👍

[@Iliek]

This is what lonely people say as an excuse to be alone. You're always better off with other people, even if they don't treat you like you want them to. Alone you will deteriorate and become useless in all ways.

[@kbar4462]

Sounds like you're too uncomfortable with yourself alone or just flat out not understanding what I said. Just because you engage in a hobby by yourself doesn't mean you're living out as a hermit completely. Your time spent w your hobby doesn't mean your entire life. And it's wildly dismissive to construe people spending time alone comfortably as self-destructive. If you want to look at it more broadly, as your comment implies, people need a healthy balance of socialization and time spent alone. You can't do either completely in totality. But that's not the point of this conversation Either way, it's fine for people to do stuff alone or with others if they're happy with it, so long as they're not hurting anyone, which, the point of the video, is that sometimes the activity of engaging with this stuff in a big group can end up being wildly hurtful.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@Iliek Says a person, who doesn't have to deal with absolutely crappy humans often enough

[@seacrezt]

I think Nintendo 64 games have aged really poorly. Snes games on the other hand have aged like fine wine. Its just down to opinions thats all

[@lucamjp4839]

Totally agree with you on this. Because the 64 era produced the first real 3D games, the camera and controls of most games were just awful compared to modern standards. Snes games actually have the advantage of being less ambitious, as the formula for most genres at this time was already quite advanced and the controls were fine for what they were supposed to do. And the first 3D games obviously were more experimental.

[@UnrealTech9403]

I don't agree with this at all. Some of the SNES games aged terribly and some N64 games aged well. It really depends on the game/studio. Lots of the N64 games suffered from clunkiness where a lot of the SNES games had ridiculously cheesy, annoying and unfair enemies/level design. I'll take clunky over unfair and annoying every day. The way SNES games would often create chokepoints that are straight up unfair and cheesy, I don't miss that at all. It was the worst on the NES, lessened on the SNES then was all the way gone by N64. Jump on this slippery platform with 10 infinitely spawning enemies flying at you from every direction when you can't hit them with your 1 directional attack... lame. Donkey Kong Country aged well visibly but the gameplay... not so great. N64 Donkey Kong has much better game design in terms of fun/fairness.

[@lucamjp4839]

@@UnrealTech9403 it’s funny that you say that because I've just recompleted all snes dkcs and dk64 and find the snes games far more enjoyable these days. It's definitely partly attributable to the fact that I have completed the snes trilogy way more often than dk64, but I've never had major troubles with the controls of the snes dkcs, not even in my first playthroughs. For dk64, i really think that some of the challenges (e.g. diddys jetpack races) were poorly executed, mostly due to awful controls and camera. While I agree that from a gameplay point of view games in the snes, but especially nes era had too many stupidly difficult and borderline unfair parts just to make the games appear to be longer, a lot of the 64 games were too ambitious and tried to do things neither the camera nor the controls were equipped for at the time. But yeah, it’s also down to preferences for sure.

[@cactusman07pim]

Main problem was that the standard controler sceme for 3d games was still in active development. It took Playstation to develop the Dual Shock controler before it got better. The good N64 games just programed outside of this problem. Just like platform games did before the D-Pad. Games like Pac Land and Pittfall haven´t also aged well due to same problem. Especialy if you didn´t grow into 3d games without contoling the camera it drives your muscle memory insane with games like Zelda OOT and Mario 64.

[@georgehandle5433]

I don’t agree because n64 games are incredible

[@SuperMetalyrics]

I actually played OOT a couple of years after it was released. And I like it, but never understood playing it reoeatedly every year and saying it's the best over and over...

[@diegoraimundo11]

As a 35 years old gamer I really appreciate your views. Good to see a young lady exploring the world of retrogames. As you said, they're not from your time. We should cherish that people as young as you are trying out older games. Keep playing.

[@hiphopdan]

People often mistake nostalgia for a good game. I love your take and agree. Keep kickin ass

[@Imanidiot244]

As a retro gamer (52) I love your honesty. Your Metroid episode was awesome!

[@RetroCheats]

people also mistake a good game for nostalgia.

[@Revanite88]

She's a idiot

[@Andy-mt9pl]

As a gamer in his early 20s who enjoys retro games, I feel like most people in our generation are close minded and refuse to give a chance to older games, they seem to completely dismiss them based on their graphics and difficulty. I'm not saying this applies to you given that you tried the games you mentionned, but my experience with friends around my age showed me that most of them do share that mindset. So based on that, I assume that the people who grew up playing those retro games think that the newer generation is just superficial and hate these games based on their age alone.

[@Rafael-Morais]

That's also true for many older gamers as well. I'm 35 and very few people around my age that I know still plays the games they played when growing up. Heck, there's even an older guy I know (approaching his 50s) who says that hates pixel art games and that games older than a decade are not worth getting into anymore. Most of them feel like retro games are something that needs to stay in the past. Honestly, that's their loss.

[@dominicvl1990]

When I was younger I was bothered when people were rude about nothing, but now that I’m 30, I can see that misery loves company. People like that are miserable. Try to remember that and don’t let them make you their company

[@Matanumi]

People like their OoT OK.

[@dominicvl1990]

Nothing wrong with like oot but people shouldn’t get mad if someone else doesn’t. They are just games

[@bummedmachinist7483]

This was me as a kid but with all the jokes about killing navi or "Navi is annoying" "I hate Navi!"- - like even minor aspects inside games have generated those cult-opinions / hate circle-jerks and it's never really been justified. To this day, I don't know how these nothing issues garner such intense reactions

[@sandwichsupernova]

I’m really sorry you went through all that. As a lifelong Nintendo fan now 37 years old, I am unfortunately not surprised at the behavior of other Nintendo fans. There’s a segment of Nintendo fans who are like the Disney adults of gaming, but worse. They can be absolutely feral at times. I think that’s because their identities are so inherently tied to their hobby because it’s literally all they have, and it blinds them to hypocrisy, accuracy, and accountability. Rest assured that most of us older gamers recognize that these people exist in many fandoms and have been hindering the further evolution of not just gaming discourse, but game development as well. You were right to call them out. I used to do that when I was on forums back in the day, but these people just keep popping out of the woodwork. You do great work. I hope that you can continue this journey into retro games without losing your spirit and brush off the toxicity. Stay awesome!

[@JTMidnightJr]

Maaan. It’s so sad that so many people are like this. Differing opinions are what makes the world go ‘round. Some genres and gameplay styles just don’t resonate with everybody in the same way. Different people have different experiences, preferences, and views. And that’s what makes discussions interesting! It’s just sad that a lot of people are too insecure to realize that just because somebody else doesn’t love something as much as them, doesn’t mean that they should love it any less.

[@marsdenit2845]

@@JTMidnightJr on the internet, people gatekeep and attack those for different opinions. Thats why this video was made. And those Gatekeeping retro gamers are unpleasant. On the internet of course. Its not an issue in real life

[@r0b0m1r0]

Hi. As a 40 yr old. EVERYTHING has changed. For good or bad. We all experience EVERYTHING differently. On your side 100%. Peace!-)

[@MedalionDS9]

"sometimes the boobs annoy me" lol

[@gamedrop3262]

lol wonder why

[@purpledittozac3188]

Right? I like Josie's content, but female characters have boobs that are sometimes visible in games. Yes, sexualization levels vary from game to game, but it's all fictional at the end of the day. There are a lot of girls who love cute anime girls, and it's fine that she's not one of them. I do find it interesting that some women think fictional characters shouldn't be displaying their bodies like that in a GAME, but women themselves do it all the time in real life and that's totally fine. Just my 2 cents on some hypocrisy I've noticed.

[@georgehandle5433]

Hahahaha I wonder why

[@CarlosXPhone]

Geee. I WONDER why... (I know why.)

[@NOOBEPICASSO]

😆😆

[@bwhit7919]

I like finding games I think are 10/10, but nobody else seems to care about. I think that’s more impressive than playing every classic. You found something special that the rest of the world overlooked. You found a secret. You have hidden knowledge.

[@bazzlemedazzle1]

"Zoomer girl who plays old nintendo games" is one of the things that makes your channel stand out imo. Keep doing your thing!

[@Iliek]

Hehe so fun and quirky YuoTub gril!!

[@Zeldaboy2k2]

Spot on, Josie! You're 100% right. How do people still not know this?!??

[@DonWeaselYeehawEdition]

Games are art, and they can be connected to a lot of deep emotional ties. But games are also entertainment. And no one should be shunning or judging someone else over a harmless form of entertainment, or the opinions surrounding them.

[@effaygigioty3164]

Grown people know that opinions differ, on a par-individual bases. The only ones "leaving a negative comment" are the little kids that have yet to comprehend that.

[@MikAlexander]

Ok this is last reply, with a bit of trivia, but in the 80's and early 90's there were actually gangs of Amiga and Atari fans, physically fighting with each other in the streets, about which system is better.

[@goldenninja9053]

Wow, that's just...well, the saddest thing I've ever heard lol. It's kinda like the internet console wars, but more pathetic from what I can tell.

[@MikAlexander]

@@goldenninja9053 Just guys thing. Would I join? No, but every guys is different.

[@pferreira1983]

I mean Amiga was better anyway. 😁

[@madspunky]

@@goldenninja9053 Nah, it was awesome. The thing is, the Amiga WAS better, and those Atari fanboys were learning a lesson :D

[@bummedmachinist7483]

@@madspunky Okay but this seriously made me laugh. I can't stop imagining "Ohhh, don't worry friend... since you like the Atari's so much, we've got you a fews.... LOUIS! Teach 'im a lesson! Strap thems Atari's to 'is feet and toss 'em in the ol Chicago!"

[@davidaitken8503]

I actually enjoyed Super Metroid much more on repeated playthroughs after I pretty much knew the basics of where to go and how to do stuff like wall jumping better. It is one of those games that gets better and more enjoyable with time.:)

[@Thegamingtrouge]

Elitism is in every fandom saddly as someone who is in many other fandoms (Anime Movies TV Etc) I like hearing "Hot Takes" and talk about them not to attack but to unpack them but at the end of the day you do you

[@theremix54]

To be fair, you do need to gatekeep your hobbies a bit. Many fandoms have been infiltrated by outsiders and changed for the worse.

[@Thegamingtrouge]

I don't agree fully with that statement but I understand what you are talking about​@@theremix54

[@carlospandette8001]

@@theremix54 Gatekeeping is for losers.

[@DanielRumbacher]

elitism comes with spending a great amount of time doing one thing. for example if you study something you are a little bit elitist about the subject you are studying. thats a normal human reaction. its normal that hardcore gamers who spent many hours playing a game are a little bit elitist. its also normal that more casual players are not so elitist about it.

[@cris8bit]

this is the best video about video games out there. it made me realise that internet has turned video game culture into a cult where you're supposed to adapt your emotions and responses to align with the consensus. if you don't like a game, the problem is you. another example is the "PS5 Pro is a scam" to two weeks later become "why you MUST buy a PS5 Pro". i'm a life time gamer and i believe this is the fall of the interactive media. the industry became greed and unsustainable, delivering the same formula through unfinished products and supported by content creators pretending to be independent. thank you for sharing your opinion and help me realise, once again, video game culture has became a cult and to facilitate myselft to getting out of this cicle of buy everything and play nothing because i feel overwhelmed. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@adroharv5140]

OOT is a very good game regardless of when it's played. Not liking is fine but the game is a very good one. It often comes down to how people can't engage with older games but OOT mechanics certainly hold up well still so it may just be the look feels antiquated and therefore not appealing. Same with Link Past which is one of the most divinely perfect games you can ever play but the visuals prevent many from experiencing it which is a shame for them. People largely have a mentality that means we generally trust our instincts and first impressions and most people decide something on this basis which isn't always in their best interests were they to know how they might feel otherwise

[@Mariofan7]

I do not agree with your gaming take but the last sentence I absolutely agree with your last sentence. What's painful is that most of use just take a position of not enjoying something and make it their personality therefore disregarding any criticism on the attitude they have while playing something

[@adroharv5140]

@@Mariofan7 yeah I think it takes a certain something to buck this nature we have to be so trusting of what we think is true. And not just games of course. I had a very different almost scathing opinion of Bayonetta 1 for example thinking it was just some over the top silliness of a game and then a friend asked me to put some time into demo. Something I confidently knew would end with me absolutely hating the game but after several hours with it I had declared it the finest thing I had ever played and all that silliness in fact bordered on a brilliance. The game couldn't come out soon enough and to me it remains the finest example of fighting mechanics in a game like this. But you couldn't have told me that before this point. Now I'm always open to the idea that my first impressions of anything although an important aspect still, may just be wrong in that instance

[@DxDeksor]

I played a link to the past on the gba and the minish cap on the same console and yet I dislike alttp and I like minish cap. Can't say why, but alttp just doesn't "click" for me. I also played oot on the GameCube back then and later with the remake on the 3ds and still this is not my favourite experience. Again I can't say exactly why, but it's definitely not the graphics. I don't mind the looks of retro games too much (my limit is the atari 2600, these games are really too ugly for me) Even early 3d titles. I can play mario 64 fine, I love half life 1 and doom. Yet oot isn't my thing and I can't explain why. But to me it's something else than just the looks

[@adroharv5140]

@@DxDeksor well that's fair enough. You could certainly argue that there's little narrative from the characters themselves in comparison to how much more this aspect changed after Link Past and just games generally. The game itself is I feel one of those perfect games but I guess it can be sometimes down to certain aspects being expected and when they're not, well it can feel a little empty. I can imagine just that if I went to playing Link Past much later. I played on the Snes at launch and this wasn't really an aspect of the game but my imagination expanded this no doubt Minish Cap is a lovely game and it's clear there is more dialog which I'd imagine would change how it felt if this wasn't the case

[@DxDeksor]

@@adroharv5140 yeah this might be where alttp is dated. At the time this was the most advanced Zelda game in terms of NPC interactions and story telling, however by the 2000's it had changed. Oddly enough I like link's awakening despite being designed similarly. Maybe it's on the vibe of the game ?

[@FrankCostanza82]

How dare you not be blinded by the nostalgia of people who were alive when these games first released 😊

[@prismatic17]

*puts her shelf in peoples shoes*

[@Dennizzzz89]

I am 34 years old and I couldn't play OOT and MM until their 3DS re-releases. Shoot me🤣

[@cornbreadcody]

Instead of battling each other over opinions about video games, let's pause and appreciate that we are not all carbon copies of each other and DO have different likes and dislikes. Good video.

[@ParUhDroyd]

I feel this can be extended to art in general. From my experience of knowing people who would have strong reactions to others not agreeing with their opinions it’s because they don’t understand how much nostalgia and timing play a factor into liking something. Older games that are held up in high regards usually are because the art form of video games was still in a phase of tremendous innovation and evolution where every generation brought vast improvements to every aspect of gaming and OOT happened to bring that for the advancement to 3d gaming. I was 10 when it released and I first played it and loved it not just because how it advanced the medium but at that time it’s what anyone who played games was talking about. It was a zeitgeist back then. But I can also respect how going into it hearing it’s the best game ever can make it underwhelming because that can definitely cause greater expectations than I don’t think anything can live up to.

[@jordancooney6817]

Obviously, your entitled to your own opinions. You can dislike Ocarina of Time as much as you want, and that's fine. But I will say, just like you, I grew up in the Wii era, and only started playing retro games relatively recently. I only beat Ocarina of Time for the first time within the last year, and it's already one of my favorite games of all time. So IDK, I guess we're just different.

[@DxDeksor]

Her point is that you're more likely to like games you grew up with even if they actually sucked than older games you discovered later. I grew up in the GameCube and Wii era and like her I don't really like oot. I later grabbed it on the 3ds and still didn't like it much. It is what it is 🤷‍♂️ (Well technically I guess oot was also a "childhood game" for me because we had it on the GameCube with the windwaker, but to my child eyes it didn't feel as good as the wind waker ...) Just like I don't really like Zelda a link to the past, yet I love the minish cap. Can't really explain why but that's how it is

[@jordancooney6817]

@@DxDeksor Well then I might just be different here, as I grew up playing games on the Wii, and I loved OoT when I finally made an effort to play through it (it was the 3DS version, but still). It might help that I hadn't yet played a Zelda game, but I had seen multiple on KZbin. But my first Metroid game was Zero Mission, and while it took some getting used to at first, I love Super Metroid. Different people are different I guess. I was just more easily able to adjust for some reason I guess.

[@Phil_529]

A huge issue is playing old games on modern displays. Something like OOT looks considerably better on a CRT display which haven't been in production for 20+ years.

[@bummedmachinist7483]

nah man, you gotta buy one of those modern limited production HD CRTs for 352975897.00$ dollars, that's the only way

[@MossySparks]

I played it when it released and I still have the same love for it today. Has aged like a fine wine. May the Gods of Hyrule bless all those righteous minds fighting the good fight.

[@carlospandette8001]

Aged like a rotten egg actually. Totally overrated.

[@whiteforestfox]

A lot of these comments are saying you should ignore the criticism and are missing the point, I think. People do get crazy about video games, and there is *a lot* of negativity in the gaming space, especially towards younger women. The second they have a different opinion it is dismissed and belittled at best and attacked viciously at worst. Let people like different things, it's honestly fine. It's not that big of a deal, you clearly know that, and it's totally unjustifiable to receive hate for not liking an old video game. Great video, thank you for bringing much needed attention to this bizarre gate-keepy behavior.

[@Macktube]

If you're on the internet, you have to understand it comes with criticism and people being toxic, it is what it is. It's never gonna stop. Just don't acknowledge it. Let people have their own opinions, whether they're aggressive or not. It doesn't matter how well you explain it. People will always be emotional about their own views

[@bummedmachinist7483]

I agree that changing individual minds is unlikely to ever reverse huge social-tendencies like this on the internet, and you should learn to harden yourself to it, but I still see value in creating discussions like this. And maybe some people are able to introspect about it and course correct thanks to it, It doesn't hurt in any case.

[@Berserker006]

It was a different time then, no social media, no cell phones, no longing to feel needed or accepted.

[@buffgarfield3231]

No longing to feel needed because 3 of your best bros were already in the room with you and one of them just ordered 2 extra large pizzas.

[@terrrell7798]

Its sad most people can't respect differences of opinions in gaming, and art. Keep your head up Josie, and stay positive. To me the greatest Zelda game of all time is Link to the Past, which is also my very first video game I owned with Pilotwings, on the SNES.

[@theremix54]

Link to the Past isent even a top 5 Zelda game. But in respect to the concept of the video, good on you :)

[@robertwolff3580]

Unpopular opinion I think Link Between worlds is way better

[@UnrealTech9403]

@@theremix54 Worst take ever. LTTP is by far the best Zelda game and maybe the best game of all time.

[@silvitoc3374]

@@robertwolff3580 I think between worlds is probably the best 2d zelda ! Such a fun game

[@haunter93til]

With OoT and all old games, truly the only way to fully appreciate them is to have lived in the era and know what life was like prior to their existence. To witness that jump firsthand was beyond folks wildest dreams back then. The jump in style and graphics was objectively greater than any jump since, largely because it literally added a layer of dimension into 3d which is as big as a jump can get. I was just talking about this with a good friend, the next objectively massive jump will be optimized vr or augmented reality ie. hologram type technology most likely. It will greatly affect card or board games, imagine how engaging something like pokemon or yugioh will be if you see the entire field and creatures in front of you and cam interact with them as if they were damn near real. I would say it's near impossible for someone to appreciate something like OoT to the degree of someone who grew back then because they grew up with something more advanced since they were a kid, it's all they know. There's no sense of true nostalgia and even a sense of anemoia is almost like a sub set of fomo what that experience was like. Can't knock these kids for not knowing. It kind of sucks they don't get to truly have that feeling though I must say because FUCK was OoT revolutionary.

[@tessaPMpro]

I can't agree with that, many of my favourite games are games that are older than me that I did not grow up with and thus have zero nostalgia for, OOT being one of those games as well as Super Mario 64. I almost exclusively play old games and have no nostalgia for the majority of them.

[@RetroCheats]

One thing I hate, is when people (not talking about you josie) blame nostalgia for someone liking a game. I can understand a person personally not liking a game, but don't always chalk it up to nostalgia! (once again, not talking about you josie)

[@markasscop]

that does happen though, someone can talk up a game they used to play but if they were to go back and replay it today, yeah it might not hold up too well anymore

[@RetroCheats]

@@markasscop I don't disagree, but the opposite can also happen. One more thing can happen now that I think of it, playing your childhood game so much, you even get sick of it. Ocarina Of Time was great (before BOTW).. however I played OOT so much, that I eventually got bored of it.

[@Beefnhammer]

Sometimes that's the case, but people often use it as a cop out response because they have no better argument. The fact is, some of the classics DO still hold up, especially stuff from the SNES era. I'm sorry but Super Mario World and Super Metroid are truly timeless. It's not always nostalgia goggles.

[@RetroCheats]

@@Beefnhammer How would you argue Super Mario world is even good? The graphics are old, the sound is old. Compared to modern mario, these games are aweful. (Just saying, other then nostalgia, there's no way to convince someone who's only into modern games, that SMW is a good game)

[@Beefnhammer]

@@RetroCheats Given your original comment, this was not the response I was expecting. Old doesn't mean bad, and given the popularity of indie titles, there's clearly still a demand for 2D sprite based games. Because of that, something like Mario World still has appeal. And it doesn't have any of the typical things that might hold back an old game like clunky controls, glitches, or low frame rates. It controls just as well as modern 2D platformers and runs at 60fps. It's also very fair in its difficulty, something that many retro games cannot claim.

[@0hMyGandhi]

Ocarina of Time is probably my favorite game of all time, and you not liking it is... perfectly fine. See, the thing is: different opinions are good. Going with your gut and remaining true to yourself shows a resiliance to peer pressure, and means your thoughts are truly your own, whether i agree with them or not. When someone gets mad at you for not liking something, I'm always curious as to what they expect to get out of being outwardly hostile towards you or anyone. I'm far less likely to change my opinion through sheer aggression and force, just like how I'm unlikely to change their minds as well. Some people really act as if a dissenting opinion is but a simple misunderstanding that needs additional clarification. But the reality is: no one needs to prove to anyone anything. These people arent owed anything. The only small concession I'll make is that there are times when I might have rushed to judgement on a game, perhaps I just wasn't in the mood for it, and a conversation may crop up where i learn something about the game that makes me want to revisit it and see if i feel differently. But again, It ultimately does not matter how I feel or if my mind has changed on a particular game. Every industry, every art form has something like this to keep others out, and it's infuriating. The best part about entertainment is when its accessible for all to consume without having to prove one's legitimacy to the medium in one way or the other.

[@hypercube8735]

I feel like people use the term "Greatest Game Of All Time" to mean "Game That Holds Up The Most Compared To When It Came Out" and to mean "Most Groundbreaking Game" when those are almost opposites. Most of the games in the former category are among the last games to be released in the height of the popularity of their genres, so they're the most refined and polished (e.g. Chrono Trigger, during the SNES-era 2D JRPG boom). Most of the games in the latter category are among the first games to be released for their genre, or at least the first ones to do it "right" (I'd put Ocarina Of Time in this category). Almost by definition, those games are going to be outdone by later games that refine the trail they blazed, so if you play newer, more refined games first and then go back to play the trailblazers it's totally unreasonable to expect them to be blown away by it when they've already seen the same idea done better, vs. playing what came before and then playing that. For example, my favourite game growing up was Final Fantasy 4, which was basically the first console RPG to have a narrative that progressed through the game, and character arcs and personal development. Seeing Cecil face and quell his personal demons on Mt. Ordeals and seeing this reflected in a job change from Dark Knight to Paladin was mindblowing narrative stuff for the time. But "Final Fantasy 4 has a story and characters with arcs" isn't going to impress someone who's already played through Chrono Trigger, which came out later and took that concept and did amazing things with it. Meanwhile, a current-day JRPG fan can go back today and play Chrono Trigger and still be really impressed by it, because it's a really refined, well-polished JRPG, and not just for its time. People not specifying which thing they mean by "Greatest Game Of All Time" naturally leads to problems like this. Ocarina of Time after you've only played Zelda 1-3 and have never touched a 3D adventure game looks amazing, and you can have a similar experience to what we had in 1998. Ocarina of Time after you've played a bunch of newer 3D adventure games looks unpolished, and it should. It's still a solid game, and you can see where it would be refined into better things, but you're not going to go back and play it and think it's the greatest game of all time if you've already played later games that built off of its foundation. Frankly, if Ocarina of Time were still the greatest 3D adventure game of all time that would be depressing, since it would mean the genre hasn't improved from its near-starting point in over 25 years. It depends on the context with which you approach playing the game, which isn't helped by not knowing which meaning people are using when they say something is the Greatest Game Of All Time. As an aside relating to the point about JRPGs as a genre, since I used that as my example: JRPGs were my favourite genre growing up and these days I barely play them. They *are* a massive timesink. They're ideal for when you're a kid and you only get 2 new video games a year (one on your birthday, one on Christmas) so you *need* to be able to sink 80-100+ hours into a game before you're completely finished with it. When you're an adult with access to hundreds of games, asking you to put that kind of time into one game to get the full experience out of it is a *lot*.

[@link123mega4]

If you played Ocarina of Time with the N64 controller, it would make more sense for the button layout. I will always find it to be a classic because as a kid, I had an NES, wanted the SNES and didn't get that system, then got the N64 and Ocarina of Time for Christmas, and to me, that was the greatest Christmas I can ever remember. I don't think you should give up on Ocarina of Time but that is just me. The C buttons were a lot easier to use and the Z button on the bottom of the controller just works better than the Pro Controller. I didn't have as much fun with the Switch games because I am a completionist and collecting Korok seeds is ridiculous. I need to give Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom another chance, but I might wait for the next Nintendo system to play upgraded versions of them before I do that. The biggest flaw with these games that I was disappointed with was the story. Compared to Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and Twilight Princess, the story for BotW and TotK are rather lacking in that department. I'd give the whole Zelda series a really high score overall even with my nitpicks of BotW and TotK. Good luck finishing OoT if you decide to.

[@Channelisunderconstruction]

Zelda 2 was my first Zelda. So this rings loud

[@TheBlackSeraph]

I liked Zelda 2 more than Zelda 1

[@eye-of-omega]

@@TheBlackSeraph it's objectively better.

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

surprisingly Zelda 2 plays very smoothly

[@samn6760]

From my end, I'd never force my opinion on anyone. I do prefer older games, but again, I don't tell people "hah, you like new games? What a scrub!" My fear, with newer games, have more to do with the online-only model -- where, after the servers are shut down, those games are gone forever. Buying the game doesn't mean you own it and can keep it anymore. Which is a different issue than the elitism you talked about in this video, so I get that. That's more how I find retro games better, and even by that measure, indie games on Steam, and a select few Steam single player games. That's just me though, I respect what others like

[@SAClassHunterZero]

There is a huge, sweeping, MASSIVE problem in the entirety of gaming as a whole, akin to a cancerous growth: It can be summed up in one sentence: People can no longer enjoy games on their own. It means that even though gaming is a personal experience, commonly experienced alone, that it's not good enough for someone's psyche that THEY enjoy it, they can only feel contented if EVERYONE THEY INTERACT WITH enjoys it. The idea that if someone applies critical thinking to a game, and concludes there are aspects they didn't like, not even the game in its entirety, that this somehow ruins the game for other people, is a huge farce. The harsh reality is that the 'fans' are so insecure, that any criticism ruins their wellbeing, and it causes me to question how much they really love the games they love in the first place. I think if they truly loved them, they wouldn't care about any criticism whatsoever.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

I just think that they want to build communites to talk about their favourites, especially less played ones.

[@bummedmachinist7483]

This is the rise of gaming "communities" as in, echo-chambers. True community contains difference of opinion and contrary ideas/tastes, all of which are discouraged in online "community" interactions

[@SAClassHunterZero]

@@bummedmachinist7483 This.

[@raemdespairbringer]

Ocarina of Time was "The Adventure" back then, even PC gamers wanted to play it, for me a kid from the 90's it's absolutely the best game of all time, I'm still waiting to play something that impacts my life as Ocarina did, respect for all the great games ever made, I play all the amazing stuff I can to this day

[@ModernVintageGamer]

Jon Spawnwave is on notice

[@bobbylight3277]

You mean like when he and others rudely interrupted her during the live spawncast when she was trying to explain why n64 wasn't her cup of tea? I love jon @spawnwave but that was wack. It felt like he was belittling her and they gave each other a "stare" afterwards. If she doesn't get back on spawncast Ill stop listening to it. No matter If its her decision to go back or not (which i wouldn't blame her for). She hasn't been on for 3 weeks which I hope is her decision and not Jon getting his panties in a wad.

[@BohemianRaichu]

Keep doing what you're doing. Whether you like my old favourites or not, I find the perspective of someone younger, and yourself in particular, interesting.

[@ryanellison1044]

I love that you speak your minds about the retro games. I feel like too often, people think when playing a game that they are supposed to like it because it was so popular back in the day, so they bend their opinions to what they think they are expected to say, and that is boring as hell. So I appreciate the raw honesty.

[@palmermoynihan2628]

Im 24, but I submerged myself in rerto nintendo at the age of 12. So I grew up with retro and modern games. I would find myself going back and forth between modern and vintage because I was just into any video game. I think that gives me the ability to play retro games and appreciate them really heavily, even still today. My earliest gaming memories include Atari, NES, Genesis, N64, and PS2. So I was shown most eras of gaming by the age of 5. I think that gave me the real leg up when it came to loving all eras of gaming.

[@retrocrypt]

A lot of older games didn’t age well which is fine; over the course of 25-30 plus years things are gonna change. That said, A Link to the Past is the best Zelda game full stop.

[@Iliek]

Learn how to present your opinions as opinions.

[@retrocrypt]

@@Iliek learn how to not be a fairy

[@tessaPMpro]

Link to the Past is the most overrated Zelda game and possibly the most overrated game ever imo.

[@basilchi8058]

Ocarina is my favorite in the Zelda franchise and I also grew up in the Wii era. However, I completely get that its lacking in a lot of areas and may not resonate with everyone. I also didn't like Tears of the Kingdom but I understand why plenty of people do. Play what you like!

[@robertwolff3580]

Retro gamer elitists are like Guys who peaked in high school…Don’t let them knock you down Josie

[@samd2013]

If you’re talking about Dennis, well he hasn’t even begun to peak.

[@robertwolff3580]

@@samd2013who?

[@BigChief1529]

The thing that makes ocarina of time so great is the story telling. The modern day version of the level of storytelling is red dead redemption 2

[@Level_Eleven]

As a Stan for OoT I understand your perspective, and commend you for making it all the way to the Water Temple, even if it was more out of a sense of obligation over genuine enjoyment. And who knows? Maybe if that rumored OoT remake is actually real, that would be a better fit for you instead!

[@UnrealTech9403]

Problem with OOT is it's boring dude. I couldn't force myself to play it again. I loved the heck out of it when it came out but thinking of playing it again makes me sleepy. It's a slow burn kind of game and if someone isn't into that they never will be.

[@Cagliostro81]

I've been playing video games constantly since I was in the second grade in 1989, and honestly I will never understand why people feel like it's a personal attack on them if someone doesn't like a game they like. Also as someone who was a teenager when both OoT and MM came out and honestly I think they're both mid. Zelda has gotten so much better since then.

[@KDaisy]

I am a Gen-X lady gamer and I approve of this message.

[@MickeyRudy]

I’m so impressed by this video. No fair or rational person could dispute one word you said! 💜

[@Sam_T2000]

I get that nostalgia can cover for inferior graphics and control schemes and such… but can’t you still appreciate things like story and tone and subtext, even music and atmospheres of a game like _Ocarina of Time_ ?

[@geosen114]

My first Zelda was Ocarina of Time. I perceived that game differently as a child compared to when I was an adult. Some people perceive a game differently depending which game you played first. Personally, OoT is the Goat but I also understand people have different opinions of what is considered “Good” or “Goat”; However, the game does have to have some sort of substance to back up the reasons why you believe it to be a level above other games.

[@dumbee.3671]

I feel the same thing with open world RPGs. Everyone seems to praise games like Skyrim, Dark Souls, and Fallout to no end. I’ve tried them. But as someone who grew up also playing Nintendo games, I found myself getting bored of open world RPGs very quickly. Everyone has different tastes!

[@corey2232]

I used to LOVE open world RPGs (or even just open-ended ones like Xenoblade), but now I feel the same way as you. When Oblivion came out, I was obsessed. Same with Skyrim. But over time, they started feeling boring & always stalled out my interest. Even BotW couldn't hook me. Then I began gravitating to more linear, turn-based RPGs & my love for the genre blew up. SMT & Persona were huge for that, but games like Octopath Traveler 2 really solidified my obsession for the genre.

[@dumbee.3671]

@@corey2232 ahh okay, makes sense! I think I also really like fast paced and fluid combat and gameplay. So the only open world RPG i really clicked with was Darksiders 2.

[@Fuk99999]

Dark Souls isn’t an open world RPG tho. Bethesda certainly turned fallout into that. But also Oblivion was better than Skyrim and Fallout 3, and New Vegas better than all of them

[@buffgarfield3231]

@@corey2232 Try doing other chill or comfort tasks and put on Oblivion or Skyrim's soundtrack in the background and you'll realize 90 percent of your enjoyment of those games was the music.

[@stokesj2]

You raise a good point. To gamers the games they feel are the best are typically tied to what was available at the time they first played said game or even what they were going through in life. There’s a myriad of factors that go into it. Most importantly it’s opinion. And everybody has the right to have their own favorite. To me that’s what makes it amazing, we’re all different and can share our gaming stories and why we like certain games. The best video game of all time? Who cares honestly. There’s 1000s of amazing games and keep them coming.

[@FictionsLoL]

If you don’t play a N64 game with a n64 controller .. that’s the issue lol

[@Eeveewashere]

There's some truth to that. But, that's not enough then you'll also need to connect a CRT instead of a Samsung LCD. The internet's a crazy place. Some people were upset at themselves because they felt super positive that she'd love Ocarina of Time as much as they do. At the end of the day, she gave it the old college try. She wanted to love the game but she has to be herself. Those who were upset and/or disappointed will get over it. They'll realize it took guts for her to share her unconventional take on that game. Tomorrow's another day. BTW, at first, I thought she was going to film school and now it sounds like she's majoring in journalism instead. Sorry, I'm off topic.

[@corey2232]

You could also play the 3DS version for a more stable frame rate & smoother experience, though I wish Nintendo would give it a true remake from the ground-up. That being said, the real reason I want an OoT remake is that it may then increase the chances for a MM remake using the same engine 😅

[@seanbeaulieu123]

I'm not big on Ocarina Of Time either. I get that it's technically a great game. It's just never been a personal favorite.

[@Fuk99999]

Only an issue if you don’t know how to make a decent control layout otherwise

[@ZackRappMusic]

As someone in the “OoT is the GOAT” camp, I agree with all of this. Well said 🙌🏻

[@shahgyy]

She didnt even get link to an adult and she doesnt like it. She didnt even play the best part of ocarina of time

[@Matanumi]

To be fair adult link sucks for the first portion of it. Its like samus LOSING HER POWER UPS AGAIN MID GAME that stinks.... Just when you get the boomerang.... you have to start over almost

[@shahgyy]

@@Matanumi no it doesn't

[@purpledittozac3188]

@@shahgyy Plus, you shouldn't have to get halfway through the game for it to get good. That's just lame. I say this as someone who likes Ocarina of Time.

[@shahgyy]

@@purpledittozac3188 I didn't say it gets good halfway through. I said the best part is when you turn into an adult... so it's just my favorite part of the game. Being child link is much easier and linear so some people might like that part of the game more than the more confusing puzzles as an adult. Being an adult you can do the fire temple before the forest temple it's a lot more open. This is a well designed game regardless of what you think or say

[@shahgyy]

@@purpledittozac3188 I know I liked the child link portion of the game at first because I could never figure out how to beat thee forest temple. So I'd always go straight to the fire temple then get stuck. But if you don't get stuck adult link is hands down better. Better temples and better gear.

[@Sunnyte_]

In the grand scheme of things it’s not wrong to have an opinion. Everyone’s experience is different. It just so happens when the big fan base of a game hears someone’s critique of a game they love, that’s where the disrespect comes. It is what it is. Keep doing you sis

[@WritesTooMuch]

2:18 _"Obvious Zelda has gotten better the last few years"_ 🤦‍♂ While I sympathize with you... *THAT* right there, is an example of WHY your getting so much heat from fanbois who have such strong opinions on these things. When you publicly say the words "obviously [insert] is better" you are elevating your subjective opinion at that point to the status of OBJECTIVE fact. The issue with that you are inviting people who feel strongly like yourself to challenge you. The reality is that your statement is just that.... a subjective opinion, that you believe to be true. *NO* Zelda has NOT objectively gotten better "over the last few years" - it is simply DIFFERENT. When you say "obviously" the new games are better, you are implying that we should all know that... and that too is forcing your view on others. I hope you can see this. It's a double-edge sword. If we want others to treat us a certain way, we can't make the same mistakes they do. 🤔 You need to ask yourself why you are upset that others cannot handle you having a different opinion... yet you subconsciously use verbiage such as _"obviously [insert] is better"_ when you yourself talk about newer things. Even though videogames are a technology based medium - they are still a creative art - and in the arts, new is not ALWAYS automatically better. So what I would suggest to you is to take your own advice: stop saying [insert game/franchise/console/generation] is "obviously better". While graphics and technology are OBJECTIVELY, FACTUALLY, QUANTIFIABLE things that you can make statements on - videogames themselves (because they are art) cannot be so easily placed in such defined boxes. Alot of these genres and franchises that have been around for a long time (like Zelda) - they have changed and morphed along side the graphics or systems over the years... and at some point are totally different experiences. This has traditionally resulted in a divergence in a lot of these fandoms, between the younger demographic who value totally different things that older players in the same fandom. What makes one game 'better' makes it worse for other fans. So, whether it is "ocarina is obviously better", "Breath of the Wild is obviously better", "Call of Duty is obviously better than Fortnite"..... none of this is objectively true. It's just peoples subjective opinions based on what THEY personally value in comparison to someone else. There are very few "obvious" truths, outside of that. And as soon as we all can accept that, then we can have a conversation on respecting each others boundaries and not bullying each other for liking (or even hating) different things. 🎮🤷‍♂

[@Iliek]

Your comment while accurate is quite long and repeats itself. Be more concise and word it in 3 short 2-3 sentence paragraphs or less, otherwise 99.999% of people who see it will not read it.

[@cleverman383]

@@Iliek While I sympathize with you, claiming that "Zelda has obviously gotten better" is why you're facing backlash. When you elevate your subjective opinion to the status of objective fact, you're inviting others to challenge you. The reality is, your statement is just an opinion, not an objective truth. Saying new games are "obviously" better implies everyone should agree, which forces your view on others. Video games are a form of creative art, and in art, new is not automatically better. Different people value different aspects of games, leading to diverse opinions. To avoid conflict, stop saying any game is "obviously better." Recognize that video games can't be easily placed in defined boxes, and what makes a game better for some may make it worse for others. Accepting this can help us respect each other's opinions and boundaries.

[@itsjustagamechannel]

As a relatively new game collector (of about 2 years) and playing many retro games for the first time, I have learned to take with a grain of salt others’ strong opinions of games. More often than not, when somebody says “it’s the worst game ever”, I play it and enjoy it, and vice versa. It’s almost like arguing about food. Tastes vary so drastically that it’s such a waste of time and energy to argue about personal and very subjective tastes and opinions. At the end of the day, that’s all they are : personal opinions. I agree with you 100% that nobody should ever be attacked for liking or not liking a particular game. It’s absurd.

[@themothreborn]

the wii generation has the potential to save us from our deeply ingrained Gamer Poison

[@itsrrriley]

As someone around the same age but who grew up with some older consoles, I’ve always felt like I’m in this weird middle ground, where I can tolerate the jank of N64/PS1 games, but struggle with older 2D games. I’ve tried to force myself to play some of the older 2D games and almost think something is wrong with me for not liking them. Your insight into how our nostalgia and experiences can shape our preferences really makes so much sense, I don’t know why I didn’t really connect those dots sooner. Furthermore, games really are subjective, and I appreciate you standing your ground and sharing your feelings about the games you play. It’s really refreshing. To quote Kamala “You exist in the context of all in which you’ve lived, and what came before you” - it really is so insightful. We have our own experiences, and there’s a world of people with their own experiences too. Our differences are a part of what makes life exciting. Damn this got deep. Thanks for the awesome video!

[@Deseko]

"Josie shares common sense" lol The internet makes it so easy and shameless to be a jerk.

[@checkoffgames]

I've actually got a massive backlog of classic games. Having actually played several of them for any length of time, I've realized that developers liked to make unintuintive or impractical mechanics necessary to finish the game Examples: Sonic adventure games hard stop you if you hit a wall, your jump is based on press time, and your homing attack only goes down. Zelda Games: Avoiding a puzzle you can't solve is not an option. You can't brute force your way through the story. Mario 64: wing cap controls.

[@paulknight9998]

Video games are technology more than art. Technology ages fast.

[@FEARmeify]

@@paulknight9998 not really, no.

[@BigmanDogs]

I think another reason why Occarina of time specifically has so much nostalgia bias is because theres 2 generations of gamers that grew up with it. The game was quite impressive on the 3ds. I personally do like the game, but its more of a 9/10 for me than a 10/10. Not all games age equally well.

[@joshualangworthy4794]

She all butt hurt becuase of an old game from older gamers opinions… Look the only problem I have with you is your opinion are fine for Nintendo games but when it comes outside that ecosystem you act as though you know the games and yet fail at them all.

[@imaginewagons1472]

Good video, definitely agree Ocarina of Time didn’t hit like the other Zeldas did, feel weird that it’s my least favourite of the 3D Zeldas seeing as most people have it as number 1

[@buffgarfield3231]

The main problem with OOT is that it's butt ugly and it was butt ugly in 1998. It has that disgusting signature N64 look to it that Goldeneye has, but unlike Super Mario 64 it's not painted with bright happy colors and instead has a lot of green, grey and brown which is why it and goldeneye look so shitty. Both are amazing games, but you had to be there.

[@JokerJNL]

Well said, that's coming from someone who's played games like Ocarina/Majora more times than he can count

[@LightyKD_]

I'm 39 and I freggin LOVE the Wii and motion gaming! Over my years of gaming, one thing I learned is that sadly, gamers can be fickle people. People should just enjoy what they like and agree to disagree when needed. Hopefully the retro scene will grow the hell up and stop gatekeeping but until then, try to focus on the fun of gaming and push the BS aside.

[@michelmayhem]

I'm 41 and one thing I like to share as wisdom, is that some games I hated when I was young, I learned to love later. Some games I loved back then are hard to enjoy now. Some are still brilliant and some are even better now. Apart from first impressions, your taste will also change with time and experience. One tip I will give, is to finish your plate, watch the whole movie and play something through to the credits before making up your mind. Some things only get good in the last chapter and you might miss out by quitting it prematurely. There is this movie from the 90's called The Usual Suspects, which would be very mediocre if you left it halfway in. It only comes together in the final scene and that's what makes it utterly brilliant.

[@EsperSofrito]

If you love traditional platformers, you should play the OG Castlevania Rondo Of Blood if you can, genuinely one of my personal favorites

[@FlavioHuitron]

👏🏽 You deserve to express your opinions without having to worry about any kind of retaliation. Trolls are the reasonwe can’t have nice things. You keep doing you, Josie! 😁

[@robertoperezjr.1119]

It is good that you are calling things out. I don't know about others, but the older I get, the more I forget that others don't experience things the same way I do. From the opinion of someone who has been playing games since the very early 80's, you are a refreshing voice in the video game world.

[@beegdonkey5750]

Biggest example I can think of is as a kid I LOVED Timesplitters 1 and 2. And I got good against the bots in those games. I could move at light speed using the free aim getting headshots with the inverted aim. Now days? Timesplitters isn’t my thing anymore. Years of playing newer games have really made me lose my love for that game. I still love the memories but I won’t go back to it anymore.

[@vianabdullah2837]

Video games as opposed to something that movies is just more affected by the passage of time because they're so intrincially connected with the march of technology. I can watch something like The Godfather or Alien and they're still as engaging as when they were released in the 70s. But booting up older games like Goldeneye or Final Fantasy VII does feel antiquated. Also even though Ocarina of Time is my favourite Zelda game, I also first played it on the 3DS and it's the first one I completed

[@hamptonwooster]

I grew up with this game on the GameCube. It’s impossible for me to replay this game without having the heavy association with the great feelings of childhood nostalgia

[@ketthefox]

I went back and played Ocarina of Time last year for the first time and I thought it's a wonderful game and I loved it. I understand if somebody doesn't like it, but I don't think it has anything to do with when you played it.

[@br3bid10]

Oh man, I totally get this. As someone that was in their early 20s when OoT came out, I have massive nostalgia for it. But when I go back and replay Goldeneye for instance, some of the games from that era that we hold to such a high standard just don’t translate that well from a gameplay perspective in 2024 now that controls have developed to where they have now. The OoT water temple, I love it and hate it>_< I’ve played OoT more than any other game start to finish, but how I would like if after BOTW and TOTK, I dunno OoT will always have a special place for me but it’s also a relic in time at this point, games and gaming have moved on.

[@chrismueller1328]

They're mad because you didn't even finish the game. I gotta be honest, unless you have that original N64 controller and you're ready to sluge through hours of a polygon mess, it does suck as an experience. When 3d was brand new people were more than willing. I don't even think Halo was around at that time. But I gotta be honest, I tried that game when it came out in NSO, I couldn't get past the deku tree temple. I was like yeah, no. That being said, if Nintendo completely remade it, completely expanded it to where it's as big or bigger than BOTW, I'd be in for it. It was a great storied experience.

[@kiwibirb6376]

I'm also a younger person who started playing video games in the wii/wii u era, and I recently started getting into playing games that are older than me after learning so much about video game/console history, and I 100% agree with you on the difference in perspective. At the end of the day, the real best video games of all time are the ones you like. Just because a game is important and was groundbreaking at one point in time doesn't mean it aged well or would appeal to the same audience today, and even then there are exceptions cause people's tastes are just that different. I didn't grow up with the legend of zelda and I really got into it last year. I started with breath of the wild, but I recently played ocarina of time and absolutely loved it although I think I personally prefer the linear zelda formula over the open world one. I know plenty of people prefer the open world formula too though, and that's okay! Both formulas have their own appeal to them, and like with anything else, it's just a matter of preference

[@MiniBeas]

Yep. You are perfectly valid. I'm able to put on Rose tinted glasses and really still put myself back in the moment. 😊 I'm sure you have your video game that really changed you forever.

[@poleythepolarbear9706]

I'm a guy and I have been on the receiving end of harassment from males about what video games I like. It's not necessarily exclusively aimed towards one gender. I do believe there are individuals who throw hateful words towards women for just being women.

[@JComX]

Hell yeah brother! I find it more interesting to hear differing opinions on games I like. Diversity makes the world go round.