Retro Painting: GENESTEALERS for 2nd Edition 40k

[@jubbmcdiesel8639]

I had no idea the old pink heads were so deadly. Makes a lot more sense that they were tearing up terminators in Space Hulk. Also this sort of unit spotlight on top of the painting and modeling is a really cool look at them before the game got so bloated. Really great work as always man

[@edpaintsminis]

Yeah brutal! The 8 attacks thing is great, but it's 2nd, so ultimately you're still just picking your highest dice. 1's are fumbles - so it increases the chances of a 'stealer whiffing spectacularly!'

[@tc518]

Agreed. Suddenly the devastation they can wreak in Space Hulk makes sense. Awesome video, man.

[@mattslucas1521]

I recall something about every other additional "6" rolled conferred a bonus as well. It might have been an old Necromunda thing, but even that was mostly 2nd ed. rules rehashed.

[@VeritasAbsoluta]

@@mattslucas1521 Yes. Every 6 rolled after the first was a critical hit and added an extra +1 to your combat score. The problem is that you're as likely to roll a 1 as you are to roll a 6, so more attacks becomes useless above a certain number.

[@1985slipstream]

hormaguants were even better as they were much much cheaper points wise did were almost as good in close combat. problem is they only came in lead models and were so expensive $$$or£££ wise for the points they added.

[@Tigerheart01]

As an Eldar player, I often took advantage of the maximum of 50% of my points being Harlequins. My usual opponent was Space Wolves. However when he started collecting Tyranids, the Genestealers were the only melee infantry I truly feared and respected. They were awesome.

[@euansmith3699]

I like that "a few blobs of superglue" technique for creating a sort of Blackstone Fortress look on the bases. The paint job on the Stealers is cool, too. The Tactical section is the icing on the cake. And the cat is shed fur on the icing 😻

[@edpaintsminis]

Her fluff gets literally everywhere so you're not wrong!

[@oskar6661]

I don't think anyone who hasn't played 2nd edition understands how devastating Tyranids were (and why they seem lame by comparison today). Excluding wounds and ballistic skill (for obvious reasons) a Genestealer is essentially on par with a Space Marine Captain...i.e. the leader of your entire company. This is balanced out by their poor armour save (you don't always have Catalyst handy). Tyranids - and particularly Genestealers were cool because with movement 12" it becomes "if I touch you, you die". It gives them a real ALIENS vibe. And this is without stratagems or tricks or special warlord traits or extra bonuses. Remember a marine without a jump pack only moves 8" a turn. There's no way to outrun them. They will catch you. Hormagaunts move up to 18" and can leap over obstacles. The Carnifex has 10 wounds and a save equal to terminator armour...yep. That's like ten terminators. Tyranids were far less shooty (thankfully) in 2nd edition, but they excelled at one thing; eating your face. I think 40K lost a huge fun factor when it turned all armies into "all things" in later editions. There's a reason the only edition I play is 2nd.

[@edpaintsminis]

Yeah scary! You're right though, Catalyst is Force 3, so it isn't always on the cards. The cool thing about them being so brutal in Hand to Hand means that an opponent might try and counter this by trying to beat them at their own game - be really cool seeing lightning claw/thunderhammer stormshield termies going toe to toe with a swarm. Nids are definitely less shooty, as they should be, but the venom cannon/barbed strangler is horrid! You'll be pleased to hear my Carnifex arrived today. Can't wait for the apoplectic orb to enter the fray!

[@oskar6661]

@@edpaintsminis I weirdly had luck with an Eldar Pirate Hero with a sword (to parry) and a Conversion Field which managed to flash and blind most of the gaunts and genestealers he was fighting - for a turn or two anyway. He fell under a large swarm shortly after.

[@maddlarkin]

Nid's were still plenty deadly in 4th when they got that revamped codex with all the extra bio-mutations, which was when I mostly fought them, I generally ran a Mechanised infantry army at the time and even though it was almost tailor made for dealing with 'nids (by happy accident as I made the base list during the 13th Black Crusade campaign for mowing down lost and the damed armies) it could be very very close run, literally ended a battle once with only a close combat Carnifex 2" out of charge range chasing the sole remaining Russ of my army round the table, they spent 3 turns chasing each other round the board unable to damage each other b4 the GW staff told us to call it a draw and get off the table. I think 2nd Ed Guard would of done a lot better against 'Nids of their era than later incarnations, you expect to lose close combat as Guard (well except against Tau) but the ability to split heavy weapons off teams off squads and the sheer amount of strength 8(?) large blast templates you could throw at the swarm, not just from the pliminary barrage but via comm-link I think you could mop up a 'Nid army (especially if my memory about dropping all that fire into close combat is correct) efficiently, though any survivours in close would be deadly. It's a match up I'd love to see or try some day

[@dyansis]

i agree with the "all things" being a detriment to the fun in some ways. I remember either Chambers of Johnson when asked about the lack of super fast transports for the Eldar was to answer "cos the Dark Eldar have them"

[@maddlarkin]

@dyansis I'm going to guess that was Johnson, Chambers was all about giving options and variety, Johnson had a far more of the opinion armies should be played a single way

[@DashCamSheffield]

Cat = Hive Mind

[@aglumm9469]

All hail hive mind cat! I for one welcome our new overlord!

[@Edwoodb3]

Those plastic Genestealer models were first models I fell in love with when I was a young boy first discovering WH40k in the mid 90s. I wasn't able to get my hands on a box of them from my local hobby store, so I picked out some Khorne Bezerkers instead, leading me into a world of heracy and the Warp mutated creatures. I still wonder what it would have been like had I began collecting Tyranids instead.

[@BenMCOB]

I only found out about your channel this week and I've already watched most of your videos. Really feeling that nice hit of 2nd edition nostalgia, it's making me want to go and dig out some old 2nd edition models and try to paint them up. Loving that each video ends with a shot of your cat too.

[@edpaintsminis]

Awesome to hear this Been! I would encourage this course of action. Old minis are so satisfying to paint and it always feels like a real accomplishment to complete something I didn't get round to as a kid!

[@aglumm9469]

Brilliant video! The sprinkle of old WD style batrep images was a welcome touch too! I can’t wait to see them in a larger batrep tearing up some marines!

[@edpaintsminis]

Thanks aglumm! They were a right pain to put together - so thanks for noticing!!

[@Triceratopping]

damn dude warn a fella before dropping in some Vengeance of the Blood Angels footage, I almost had a lethal nostalgia overdose

[@edpaintsminis]

Bahaha! Noted.

[@asp808]

Looking forward to seeing them in action!

[@lotsofspoons]

Love the format of painting plus demo tutorial!

[@edpaintsminis]

Cool! It might have to be repeated then!

[@nanakakitano9724]

Absolutely beautiful work, and chitin pronunciation powers levelled up

[@edpaintsminis]

💪

[@quinnjdq]

would love longer form videos, adore the retro content but I want more!

[@CptMonstruoso]

Thanks for all the oldhammer content!

[@Kociboss]

You sound a lot like youtuber "Ahoy" who dabbles in retro vibes as well. Just something which came to my mind. Your videos inspired me so much so, that I actually dug up my old metal hive tyrant & gave him new life.

[@edpaintsminis]

Yes! That's great to hear! It's a fantastic model and i'm so pleased that inspired you enough to brought him into being. I'll have to check out Ahoy...

[@arandomlostsoul753]

Gorgeous paintjobs, very well done! Those classic 'stealers from the late '80s still look incredible, even after all these years. I think they might be the Warhammer mini that has aged the most gracefully.

[@edpaintsminis]

Thank you! Yeah considering how many boxes of things they were thrown into - Tyranid Attack/Space Hulk 1st and 2nd edition etc. They sure hold up!

[@ivanivanovich4294]

I really like a look at the game back when it was cool, the models had soul, and everything wasn't worn down and muted in coloring. Much love from historicals!

[@justingregory2011]

Absolutely awesome man!!! And a blast to see stealers when they were an actual combat threat to terminators .. AHH the good old days lol

[@brim-skerdouglasson]

Love this channel, can't wait for the nid battle report!

[@edpaintsminis]

It's gonna be great - patience though, I need to get the Carnifex painted up first - wouldn't want that angry boy to miss out!

[@DrPoltergeist]

Stumbled across your Videos. Thanks for the lovely throwback in time ! The references, pictures and paintscheme reminds me of my childhood. Keep up the good work on your Channel ♥ Btw: very pleasant Voice you got

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Banging vid as per, mate. I particularly liked your old school white dwarf top down battle report animation. Also you've kept those beautiful terminators quiet. Unless I missed something 😅

[@edpaintsminis]

Thanks! Yeah that animation was a lot of work for 5 seconds! Those terminators have been quietly in the background for about 5 years now - all painted for my 1st edition space hulk set.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

@@edpaintsminis they're gorgeous and I totally missed them 😅

[@ingot129]

Thank you for pronouncing chitin properly! That alone is worth a like.

[@ochaco81]

Always look forward to your next video, nostalgic and informative. Your painting is great too, enjoy watching the step-by-step as well.

[@edpaintsminis]

Cheers ochaco81! I'll keep 'em comin'!

[@LookOutSir40K]

Loving these videos! Amazing work.

[@edpaintsminis]

Thanks Dan/Philip! Good job on the podcast too!

[@lucasfriedman3418]

I wasn't alive for these minis the first time 'round, but boy am I enjoying my totally unearned secondhand nostalgia. Thanks for these great vids!

[@edpaintsminis]

Thanks Lucas! My pleasure!

[@vurrunna]

Loving all the content on classic Warhammer! Honestly, the more I hear about 2nd Edition, the more I feel super conflicted. On the one hand, the lore, minis, and general wackiness of the rules sounds super fun, but on the other hand, I can't get over the use of I-go-you-go turn order. Even going by the standard of 90's boardgames, games like BattleTech (a fantastic game that I highly recommend checking out if you love classic rulesets and charmingly goofy old models) had split phases and simultaneous combat, so that everyone got to move before there was any combat, and once combat began everyone got a chance to shoot, even if they blew up. Meanwhile, I-go-you-go generally gives a pretty big advantage to whichever player starts first, since they can kill lots of enemies by shooting while at maximum power, meaning Player 2 is essentially fighting an uphill battle to try and fight through the enemy. I know it's not a dealbreaker for everyone, and some folks enjoy the challenge it gives, but all the same. It'd be nice if there was a version of 2nd Edition style Warhammer that had a more balanced initiative system.

[@edpaintsminis]

I think if you're not keen on 'I go you go' then caution is advised! Shooting is deadly in 2nd, but there is loads that can be done to protect yourself if you plan ahead and know how. Troops can 'hide' effectively making them invisible and I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong!) You can set them up in this way. Cover deducts from shooting rather than adding armour like in later editions, so even heavy weapons with a targeter hitting on 2+ will have to roll 4/5+ if you make careful use of terrain, as the more terrain features you shoot over the more it stacks! It's a really fun game but there are restrictions players should place on themselves before diving in. The most common is throwing out vortex grenades and the virus strategy card. I think veterans like to restrict heroes, psychic mastery levels and to limit Wargear cards to a total of 50pts per side. Sound reasoning and prevents people exploiting a game that wasn't really tested much!

[@schlockcitycinema]

You sir are a cool dude! Sick models, cool terrain, badass dark-synth (he's a smart one), the vhs footage of Space Hulk (those prosthetics/puppets were great), and well cut/narrated. Bleeding with style my guy, glad I caught you early on keep up the good work!

[@harrisonlorens3585]

Fantastic work, but as always, my heart is shattered by the black rim bases 😂

[@TheCyborgTrucker]

I like your dark chitin scheme. It really looks like they can disappear into the shadows of a space hulk effortlessly.

[@fybso3057]

My new favorite channel

[@edpaintsminis]

YES!

[@konstantineKein]

your channel is amazing. dude. well done

[@judgedreddthelaw3418]

These retro videos.....I get tears of joy from my old days! Pls keep them coming 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@edpaintsminis]

Yes Judge.

[@benkochskamper3092]

Really enjoying these nid videos and even the small tactics section. Well done, keep up the great work.

[@dungeonquesting8075]

My favorite creator right now

[@Modge17]

Absolutely love you content! Amazing results for 30mins work, would take me about 2 hours per model and would still look nowhere near as good haha!

[@fernlenker]

so cool to find this here! was so glad as i found your 2nd Edition videos =)) just had to run upstairs to search AND YES have Hulk and Macragge Boxes found AND GorkaMorka *ROFLOL* and that Box with red Captain fighting Orks, where they included that paperprinted OrkGorkoRobot(?) AND yes that is tunier legal? if we will play here, YES it is not forbidden to use the old Codex =) glorious Idea to pull that stuff UP again ! THANK YOU !

[@D1-Games]

Ok, that settles it; my Space Hulk Genestealers will now join my budding 2nd ed Tyranids army! Now if only the Zoat I just got had been included in the codex... 🤔 I suppose the RT list in WD145 will have to suffice for now 😅

[@frankcosyns2348]

i'm literrally building my genestealers while watching this :-)

[@edpaintsminis]

This is the way. ❤ 👾

[@gstealer11]

My 2nd Ed Hive tyrant made from 2 of the plastic warriors would walk thru a 10 man squad of marines.. stealers were a close 2nd

[@edpaintsminis]

I'm really curious about this conversion! Sounds terrifying!

[@ghostlincoln9304]

I remember seeing that terminator costume in a full size corridor display at warhammer world, 8yr old me blown away by bolt rounds of awe

[@edpaintsminis]

They've just got the helmet there now I think. I bet that was awesome!

[@ghostlincoln9304]

@@edpaintsminis yes you're right, was in the corner of the multi level diorama room with the light effects !

[@kwest9747]

Nice little video. Quick and punchy as a genestealer! How appropriate! Enjoyed the mini battle report / showcase. Clash Royale does these to showcase how to use cards - never seen it done before for warmhams but it worked really well. Looking forward to seeing more!

[@edpaintsminis]

Thanks Kwest! I'll keep shaking it up and seeing what sticks! A bit of tactica seems to have gone down well and keeps it from being 'just' a painting tutorial/process vid!

[@michaelxdrift]

Wowza those guys are fast and strong.

[@Fury9er]

When I first played 40k I used Dark Angels and would often get ruined by my friends chaos cultist(imperial guard) army. When got a nid army that changed! the 'Stealers would haul it down one side of the board with the most cover, ideally woodland as they were still fast with difficult terrain. Once they got into the deployment zone it was dinner time! I didn't much like painting them though, they always came out looking a bit sloppy.

[@SlabBulkhead]

I only played from 3rd through 5th editions but I really enjoy seeing stuff I missed out on. I also really like your video format.

[@aglumm9469]

My favourite part was when Ed said “goooood” haha very evil!

[@jasongross1640]

That old-skool battle mat is awesome! Where did you buy it from? Love the channel!

[@mrpapafakis1290]

Loving your channel man! Most batrep videos that I see are a bore to sit through, but you've done a great job to make them exciting and engaging. Looking forward to more 😊 Just a small question though, how come you decided to paint the genestealer claws blue instead of bone?

[@edpaintsminis]

Thank you Mr Papafakis! That's great to hear. In terms of the claw decision...well, the claws are quite chunky and ill defined, so I didn't want to draw too much attention to them tbh! It also adds the 'alien' feel too!

[@benlane5192]

Great video - fantastic editing and narration. Subscribed👍

[@edpaintsminis]

Welcome aboard Ben! Glad to have you! :)

[@thecrownofcommand5830]

Another fantastic entertaining video Ed. I need two things ti really improve my videos. You as my video prodcer and a cute fluffy cat lol.

[@edpaintsminis]

Cheers Josh! Just keep making them and you'll notice the improvement! Happy to have finally got my audio dialed in on this one. A cat does wonders too!

[@dcoo1537]

Bang on content again Ed! Well done ace looking. They really where hammer hard with that catalyst boost. Did you get hold of a zoanthrope?

[@edpaintsminis]

No Zoanthrope sadly. But I do now have a Carnifex...

[@dcoo1537]

Can't wait to see that fella always wanted one when I was a kid spending hours reading the same White Dwarf magazines!

[@DecayedAndy]

man i heard the nids were really strong when they came into the game but those extra powers really buff the stealers up alot! which did you prefer painting? the metal ones of the plastic?

[@edpaintsminis]

Yeah! So good! I really enjoyed painting the metal ones, a few very smudgy details, either because of the sculpt or their age and wear, but they came together nicely!

[@battlebrothers_40k]

I love this channel. The videos are so good! I really want to give 2nd edition a go. Its the edition I started with but have played the least. How do you think it compares to current editions?

[@edpaintsminis]

Thanks Battle Brothers! Glad you're enjoying it! 2nd edition is quite simply great fun. Slower paced, fewer models, and exciting close combat. It isn't particularly streamlined or balanced, but there'll always be a story to tell or memorable moment from every game!

[@HuntTheMachine]

What are the live action genestealer cults bits at the beginning of the video? Amazing video by the way!

[@edpaintsminis]

'Hive Infestation'! A short film that was shown at a Gamesday in the 90s. Not sure about the whole story behind it though. Worth a look!

[@Tom_Quixote]

Is it just me, or were the old Tyranids and Genestealers better than the modern versions? They seemed to have more character to them somehow.

[@gosbong]

I noticed in the background of this video at 4:34 there is a necromunda looking bulk head. Do you have plans to make a necromunda series of painting and battle reports?

[@tristenhuff2032]

Stupid question? Do you mind doing a video simply showing all your second edition minis? Im thinking about getting some 2nd edition minis but I’m not to sure if i want to commit to it.

[@edpaintsminis]

Hey Tristan! I might do a kind of showcase one day, but you'll catch a glimpse of most of my collection if you look through my videos and Instagram. 😊

[@hobobeard]

The claws on 2nd ed genestealer are bone. If you’re going to ape the early 90’s paint scheme they should be bone coloured not the colour of the chitin.

[@edpaintsminis]

You forgot to say "well actually". 🙃

[@hobobeard]

@@edpaintsminis I'm not wrong though.

[@pizzalord3n]

Denim thieves!

[@oskar6661]

The updated ones from 5th edition - the Jortstealers were really dangerous.

[@1985slipstream]

5:15 wow thats a card im glad i never came up against! genestealer terminators!!!

[@1985slipstream]

6:01 s6 vs t5 terminators would be wounding on 3s not 2s.

[@crossbonesx11]

Where can I find the live action GSC footage?

[@Jules72Bear]

Where is the video from? Looks like a cool old fan movie

[@kharnifex]

Fan film Hive infestation

[@arandomlostsoul753]

Interesting story, that. It was part of an effort to develop a 40k movie in the '90s. As per the Lexicanum wiki site: "In 1996, for the 25th Anniversary Games Day, Games Workshop released (for limited sale) a short movie entitled Inquisitor. This movie was created using clips and footage that had been created as a pitch to Games Workshop for a movie deal. There were also trailers for two other films, Hive Infestation and Blood for the Blood God."

[@G0ibniu]

@@arandomlostsoul753 To add to this: the shorts were made by the, now defunct, Bright Light Studios; the same company that created the FMV cutscenes for the games "Epic 40,000 Final Liberation" and "Realms of the Haunting". They also worked on a cancelled Dark Angels squad-based fps game called "Dark Crusaders". Additionally, some of their props appear on the covers of a few issues of Citadel Journal - specifically #24, #31 and #34.

[@edpaintsminis]

Cool! I knew bits and pieces of this but never heard of 'Dark Crusaders'. That would've been cool!

[@G0ibniu]

@@edpaintsminis There is actually gameplay of it on KZbin because a few years ago one of the developers released a playable beta build of the game.

[@marc8959]

I wonder, from where do you get so many oldhammer miniatures

[@Del_S]

Second hand sellers on various places can occasionally net you a gem. Faecebuk, echo bay, etc.

[@nichy777]

Where are those video clips of the gene stealers from?

[@oskar6661]

There was an old school video game (like '386' era). I'm not sure if it ever came out in the United States.

[@edpaintsminis]

Hey Nicholi - so two video games: Space Hulk (Dos/PC/Amiga) and Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels (PC and Playstation). The live action stuff was from Hive Infestation. A short film/teaser/trailer that I believe was shown at one of the Gamesdays in the 90s.

[@redgreen09]

well why left the co star telll end be on me me i covrted some had and gave them madabels and anteni s yes like big bugs and gave whops black and yelow striped paint jo with rest and if broken i made look like thay re growing armes or coming out the ground oh gave big buggy yeys to all black or matic blue i never do box art in enny the minis tryed it some times just did look good wel see as you do new

[@kharnifex]

Mmmmm my pretties

[@gazamataz6839]

Cat!

[@crystalclearchaos5387]

Why do you keep saying ovipositor for the tung i thought the ovipositor was a egg laying organ

[@edpaintsminis]

You're right - Probably more of a proboscis!

[@crystalclearchaos5387]

@@edpaintsminis proboscis is a nose i think it may just be a plain old tung

[@auretioustaak6579]

We drive a mate we game with online insane with mispronouncing Chitin. Kai-tin Chai-tin Chee-tin Kai-ton Chai-ton Chee-ton lol.

[@edpaintsminis]

Personally, I think all of these are perfectly acceptable. In fact I think this is just the tip of the iceberg of potential mispronunciations of Chitin...

[@auretioustaak6579]

@@edpaintsminis oh for sure. We haven't even addressed silent letters yet...