Retro RC Buggies, But Which One Is King? Kyosho Dirt Master Vs G-Force Genova.

[@andyrobinsonrc2480]

Hi Gav the DM has Turned out great and I like the window edges, it’s a nice responsive buggy and that’s impart to its short wheelbase , the Genova can be driven a bit harder with its more stable longer wheelbase. Again all depends on driver standard and application of use but there’s not a lot in it between the two. There will be very few places that allow the dirt master to run in a vintage class. Vintage rules are usually based around the iconic rc revival rules and 2wd buggy’s are to be no younger than 1998. Sone clubs are starting to run rear motor events so will be fine for that. RB5’s are from 2007 almost 10 years after the cut off date for vintage. Top stuff ;)

[@AndyMoulton]

Andy, do you know why 1998 was chosen?

[@andyrobinsonrc2480]

Generally after 1998 you had buggy’s not including the factory team rc10b3 coming out that were a bigger step in performance over the previous generations, Losi xxxcr , rc10b4 etc so to my knowledge a cut off year was established and 1998 seems to be that year. It’s also why I think clubs are doing rear motor classes now as post 98 cars are to old for modern buggy racing generally but not old enough for vintage so it leaves a lot of cool race cars out that people may still have .

[@misterrottweiler]

I have to say I can’t agree on the Genova being better looking (subjectively of course), but to me the Dirt Master is more elegant looking, and that is in part due the the lower placed and more attractive designed rear wing. I’d buy a dirt master, but when talking price point it’s hard to not compare the Tamiya Sand Viper, fairly similar but fully £70 less and supplied with Esc and bearings. For racers the comparison probably isn’t there, but for garden runners I’d say it is. On your car, painting mishaps haven’t stopped it looking tip top mate, I’d be happy to get it that good (which I wouldn’t!). Interesting to see some of the slightly haphazard alignments between parts.

[@michaellee4722]

I’m currently building Genova as I type this and I must say I’m so impressed with the quality of Genova. I’ve built probably two dozens of RC cars and this one was a nice surprise. Good to see that you gave a slightly higher score on Genova (because I decided to go with Genova before seeing this video. ). Thanks for the comparison!

[@RCKickschannel]

I don't think many realise just how good this entry buggy is from a quality point of view. In Japan it sells for £155 and you get great plastics and the fit and finish are well above what you would expect at that price point. Everyone that gets to see one in real life, always comments on the quality. Why G-Force don't sell this outside Japan, I will never know.

[@AntonyMcEvoy]

I was a bit disappointed when the Dirt Master was announced as I'd just bought the Genova but I'm now really happy with my choice. I really like the quality of the Genova kit, that it comes with full bull race bearings, and the fit is great, the manual was easy to eead despite being mainly in Japanese. I've also ended up buying most of the shiny upgrades (which aren't cheap but seem very good quality) and a few spares as well. Even from Japan delivery is typically about a week. I'd like to get a Kyosho at some point but now I have the Genova I don't think I'll bother with a Dirt Master.

[@RCKickschannel]

The Genova is a solid purchase for sure. I keep my fingers crossed we will see it outside Japan soon.

[@tabletasgard1205]

Ooooohhhh, the color schema of your dirtmaster is GREAT!!!

[@garybennett7026]

Hi Gavin, I’m down with the dirtmaster on this one, it’s my first Kyosho kit since the 80’s, there’s just something about it, and it’s flat looking rather than the rear wing being about a foot in the air. Great video😀

[@jadc]

Thanks for this, I’ve been looking forward to you building a Dirt Master. I’ll be doing mine in a few weeks.

[@RCKickschannel]

Have fun 👍🏻

[@paulwalker3246]

I’m looking forward to getting home from my business trip and building a few cars. Dirt master is high on the list and I should have a nice selection of upgrades to put on it too 😊

[@RCKickschannel]

Have fun with your build Paul :) I remember the joy of business travel.

[@quietrc]

A small thing, but I think your new title card designs are great. Well done.

[@RCKickschannel]

Thanks, these have been made by a viewer of the show. I have been using them for ages now.

[@RoachRC]

Recently got the dirt master for some outdoor dirt racing in the US. Hopefully it handles well enough

[@rcicons4915]

The fact that you tried says something. I think the paint looks great.

[@RCKickschannel]

Saved it in the end lol. Have your driven your RB5 yes?

[@jefftroxell4923]

I went Dirt Master as it is simply easier to obtain and get replacement parts. I was also looking for vintage styling, and for me, Kyosho checked that box. I actually like the wing on the DM. It gives it a streamlined, fast look. Only negative is the faff of a manual, some really poor instructions in some areas.

[@n22pdf]

Looks awesome Gavin I like the paint job looks great 👍 looks like it drives very well.. look forward to seeing this on track 🤩👍❤️‍🔥👏👏

[@RCKickschannel]

Yep it drives really well, nice and smooth. I will take it to the track in a few weeks

[@bluegroovemodelsports9650]

Your starting to sound like a RC Racer. I think your hooked.....

[@allyliddiard7320]

I really like the paint job, it looks very vintage 80s. Also committing RC heresy, but I hate flame paint jobs...

[@danwoodruff4323]

Sick paint 🎨

[@tomprudden127]

This is definitely a better base for racing than a vintage Schumacher - geometry is very similar to the RC10B4 and TRF201. Lots of RB5/6/7 bits fit the DirtMaster as well (like the brass front bulkhead from the RB6)

[@daylightdies7194]

Looks like a nice quiet place to live

[@RCKickschannel]

Countryside living overlooking fields but 5 mins drive from M&S, McD, DIY stores and more. 35 mins from Milton Keynes and 35 mins from Cambridge. Two completely different towns that complement each other. One super old and stunning, the other packed with facilities.

[@jurgengroschartner9209]

I like the Dirty Master! 👍

[@lo2713]

Nice result with the body Gav 👌 im on the dirtmaster side on looks, but the wing needs to be higher for sure. Mine will both be out on the track sunday, so lets see who comes out on top. Minus driver errors 😂

[@RCKickschannel]

Keep us posted on how you get on at the track.

[@lo2713]

@@RCKickschannel will do, just hope i dont break anything 😂

[@barrygiddey9139]

They both look Amazing,I can't decide 😊

[@RCKickschannel]

It's a close call for sure. What I can say is, I don't think you will be disappointed with either choice really.

[@barrygiddey9139]

@@RCKickschannel that's very true

[@SEAN-fx5dm]

The car looks amazing Gav 👍

[@madvente]

Both very nice looking buggies, but I prefer the Cougar Classic over these 🙂

[@RCKickschannel]

The Cougar classic is a great buggy.

[@madvente]

@@RCKickschannel I know - I really appreciated your series on racing/developing the CC!

[@davejohnson3474]

Looks really good and i just painted a shell and didn't know you could buy masks.

[@aidanalunan56]

I got the Genova and on the fence for the Dirt Master

[@RCKickschannel]

Drives well

[@pattyofurniture5674]

I still have a genova unassembled in box

[@Pablo668]

Cool vid as always. Just a heads up, the RB5, and by implication the Dirt Master post date the Associated B4. In fact it could be argued that the RB5 was somewhat a response to the B4, being a kind of re-designe RB-TypeR. My point though is that the B4 might only just be raced in vintage now, and most probably in it's own class. That would make it unlikely for the RB5 or a buggy based on that being used in vintage racing. Having said all that, I could well be wrong on all counts.

[@RCKickschannel]

No I think it’s too new to run in most vintage races, especially the Iconic cup

[@FEboats]

Makes the Genova look like a good deal. Too bad JEGS in the USA is out of stock of the stinger and holeshot @$50

[@alfredyost7972]

RCmart is selling bodies right now.

[@davekim7573]

i wonder if the hobbywing 1060 and some retro motor are good enough for the dirt master. i have bought legendary series kyosho buggies such as ultima, turbo scorpion and optima mid. for the 2wd legendaries,i am going to install the retro brushed motors from holme's hobby and will install 10.5t brushless motor with 120a hobbywing in the optima mid. please let me know your thoughts.

[@RCKickschannel]

The Dirt Master can take a load more power but yep you could run a brushed low turn motor

[@eaxnitro]

My Dirt Master build is next. I tried my Kyosho Tomahawk with a 13.5T brushless and it was crazy overpowered, couldn't keep the front wheels on the ground. I moved it to a brushed 27T and the 13.5T Justock will go in the Dirt Master.... 😊

[@rodneydubose4105]

The Genova isn't on their site. I recently looked to see all of the upgrade parts they make.

[@RCKickschannel]

I looked today and you can get a Genova from Amazon Japan as well as all the upgrades.

[@rodneydubose4105]

@@RCKickschannel I'll check that again. Last time I looked there all I saw was parts and upbgrade parts. Do you think they'll make a 4WD buggy or Stadium truck? I sure hope so!

[@merijn1975]

If I had to choose one it would be the Tamiya TD2 Astute 2022. Same price, more fun to build, parts availability no problem. ;-)

[@RCKickschannel]

Yep the TD2 is a little bit more but the plastics are lovely. Not sure around a track if it will keep up with these two and as for the looks, well... I can say that as I have build one, sold one and I still have a NIB one lol.

[@andyrobinsonrc2480]

The TD2 is a better race buggy than the Genova and Dirt master it’s a modern designed buggy mid motored etc I’ve raced and beaten equivalent buggy’s from the other manufacturers. The DM and the Genova Wernt built to compete and Race against modern equipment

[@richardjohnston2217]

The td2 needs way to much money spending on it to race it. I raced mine and broke both rear hubs. To fragile. I love its design but its not a true racer or a basher.

[@christophermayo25]

What brand and color paint did you use for the red

[@RCKickschannel]

It's a Tamiya PS Red

[@christophermayo25]

So Tamiya Ps 2 then

[@davidrenaldo2252]

I like the dirt master

[@sasquatchfoote8235]

The Genova is nearly an exact copy of Team Associated B4. I wonder if parts are interchangeable 🤔

[@RCKickschannel]

Only if the same tooling was used.

[@antonhoffart37]

the gnova looks like the jags stinger 😂

[@RCKickschannel]

Yep it’s loads better than you would expect

[@michaelqendro9825]

I gots me a dirtmaster a week or so ago.

[@RCKickschannel]

Have you built it yet?

[@bluegroovemodelsports9650]

Great video on the vintage design Kyosho

[@Metla666]

Personally I'd take the Ultima over the Genova. Prefer the looks and it has a competiton spec base.

[@RCKickschannel]

Nothing wrong with that, it’s a solid choice and it drives well for sure, even out the box with no setup

[@Metla666]

@@RCKickschannel The twist is I pre-ordered a BBX...

[@eduardmeijer4623]

Kan je die 2 vergelijken met de Tamiya Racing Fighter DT 03?

[@alphawlff]

The DT03 has limited gearing options. You can only use a 17 or 19 tooth pinion with it. With the Genova and Dirt Master you can change the spur gear. And they have more pinion gear options depending on the size of the spur gear.

[@jarreddinkel5648]

What about the kyosho raider what do you think?

[@RCKickschannel]

Never had one myself so can’t really comment, sorry

[@jarreddinkel5648]

I used to have one when I was younger and know I have another to replace the first.

[@mitsuman5555]

Maybe it's just me but there's only 360p available for this video

[@marknethercott7024]

Same here

[@hunzacc]

same

[@rodneydubose4105]

Same

[@paulwalker3246]

When it was first uploaded it was the same for me but now it’s good

[@RCKickschannel]

I just checked and it's now HD. KZbin being super slow as normal. Give it some time and then it will play as usual. It's uploaded in 4K

[@Bogues_88]

Doing donuts in a driveway is hardly a way to see which is better.

[@battletrak4392]

The Kyosho is the clear winner.. But what does Rebecca think?

[@RCKickschannel]

She thinks I have enough buggies in the collection already 😂

[@IIIxwaveIII]

@RCLicks the Genova orange\gold shocks upgrade cost almost like a second new Genova (around 150 USD).... WTF the upgrade prices on these RC cars are the thing I dislike the most about this hobby...

[@jhue73]

genova doesnt have better plastics. kyosho plastics are some of the best. the jegs holeshot and stinger are the same as the genova and my friends have broke arms pretty easily on the holshot and ive broke a chassis on one. not saying they are exactly the same plastics but the jegs stinger is exactly the same except for turn buckles and bearings.

[@Ultegra10SPD]

B4.1 prolly butchers them both. -U10

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

B4 are dirt cheap right now at least in the U.S.

[@RCKickschannel]

Hard to find B4 buggies in the UK now and prices are up. I’ve a B3 and B2 but not a B4 yet