Retro vs Modern Bianchi Pro Bikes | Marco Pantani Vs Primoz Roglic

[@АнтониоРодригес-ф4т]

Pantani's bike is just beautiful...! I would love to see him racing again, RIP champ! Ps. The eV3 used by Ullrich is the most beautiful bike that Bianchi has ever made.

[@cosinus_square]

Gorgeous bike Pantani's...and cycling was way more entertaining back then... Pantani is a legend.

[@noice9709]

Pantani's bike would be my choice. Love the look of a full retro set up!

[@gcntech]

Good choice!

[@onstagephotography]

I have the Bianchi replica Megapro XL and it is a great insane beautiful bike. There is nothing like IT and I love riding IT. Rip to my all time hero❤️

[@michaelbraden4875]

Jeremy, this was a great episode!!! Love to see more of this kind of material - Thanks!

[@taichihead42]

Guy is an ultra clown.

[@Neil-clare]

Pantani what a rider ❤️ my all time favorite rider!!! I mean who else attacks at 100kms out in a race 💪🏼

[@2uiator325]

Beautiful video, Jeremy. The bikes, the components and the tribute to Marco’s legacy. R.I.P., Il Pirata.

[@Century_Rider]

I love Pantani's bike. I have a lugged Steel Wilier Superleggera with modern Campagnolo components. I love the retro look, but modern components make it an every day ride.

[@jkmaseruman]

Pantani's Bianchi Mega Pro XL is one of my all time favourite bikes due in part to the colour scheme. Celeste is the greatest colour ever to grace a bike frame.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

... just looks odd when combined with yellow.

[@simonwoodford8728]

Pantani's machine is the ultimate bike porn and just the sight of it each morning would get the day off to a great start. Not mentioned was the fact that Marco was using a down tube shifter for his front chainrings due to injuries incurred when the Italian police let a car onto the course in a race near Torino that cleaned him up when he was in full flight I'm sure that Adam Hanson has said that Pantani rode 180mm cranks but I'm not sure how that would have worked with his frame size, either way the change in gearing used by the pros in the last 15 or 20 years has been one of the most significant changes in cycling. The Pantani descending tuck with the arms outstretched, chest on the saddle and backside over the rear wheels remains one of the most exciting sights in cycling and certainly far more elegant (and apparently at least as efficient and arguably less dangerous) than the tuck favoured by modern cyclists. The XR4 is by all accounts a brilliant bike but if I had one I would want it to be equipped with a 12 speed carbon Campagnolo groupset.

[@mathewrose2951]

I bought the closest thing to Pantani's build I could get while living in Germany in '97/'98. I rode it 338 km in one day out and back to Weltenburger Kloster. Today, in my 40's, my dream build is an Infinito with a compact. Twenty years haven't been kind on the spine, so my boys will have to race it out while I enjoy the modern wonder of relaxed geometry.

[@nomotorneeded77]

the brakes on pantani's bike aren't single pivot, they're dual pivot, just not "direct mount"

[@aluminati9918]

That is quite correct. The 2nd pivot is cleverly hidden. I had them and they were excellent. (Now I’m on campagnolo disc brakes of course)

[@williampringle1790]

Agreed. C’mon Jeremy, get your tech info straight! 😏

[@leejefferson7011]

Who’s Rowclick and rockclick 😂

[@markrushton1516]

Single pivot was their way to lighten the groupset. Shimano stuck with dual pivot and I preferred DA brakes over Record single pivot. Carrera, an Italian bike builder built Pantani some bikes out of titanium and branded as Bianchi. Pataki rode mechanical because they didn't exist and he eschewed anything bigger than 23 on the back.

[@sandydennylives1392]

@@markrushton1516 He would have eschewed it quite severely if they did the Angiluru back in them days, and 44x23 oop the Alpe? Perhaps.

[@DavidvdGulik]

Rogue-lick gets kinda painful after a while

[@marekjanda1077]

David van der Gulik yeah, it was hard to concentrate on the content constantly hearing Roglic’s mispronounced name. Pitty

[@leejefferson7011]

Shocking

[@mgergely]

Seriously I flinched every time he said it

[@leejefferson7011]

What was the video about 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣

[@guerreroymendoza]

You'd think he'd spend some time learning how to get the names right...

[@AnggaSukmaP]

Different bikes, different era, different technologies applied, but one thing for sure: they are the champions maker

[@toomuch9762]

Angga Sukma Prinata you basically just repeated what they said in the video 🤦‍♂️

[@gcntech]

Very true!

[@AnggaSukmaP]

@@gcntech nice review 👏🏻

[@thomasmarktooms]

And what about Stephen Roche? Managed to win the world'sin the same season as well

[@toomuch9762]

Mark Tooms he never seems to get a mention anywhere

[@DaanHoogland]

​ too much and Mark Tooms I didn't think I was the only one to motice, but I was worried for a moment!

[@toomuch9762]

Daan Hoogland especially since he was irish. A small country with very little cycling history makes his achievements pretty special along with sean kelly. Maybe the British are jealous that an irishman won the Tour de France before they did 😂

[@DaanHoogland]

@@toomuch9762 Hah, nice jest, but Jeremy is American. Which doesn't make your remark less valuable, but Gregg Lemond did win the tour the year before ;)

[@sandydennylives1392]

He was slumming it with steel. Columbus SLX. I slum it too with steel.

[@neilcowie2329]

I’m very surprised that the presenter had no mention of Pantani’s front derailleur shifter being a down tube shifter and his rear derailleur being shifted with an Ergo. Significant feature completely overlooked

[@yonseimatt]

yes, I clocked that too. Makes sense probably for trimming the front. On one of my (whisper it) small wheeled steel touring bikes, I have a 9 speed trigger shifter and a cheap thumbie for the front, more for reliability than anything else, but it shifts much more nicely than the SRAM Red mechanical on my carbon bike.

[@neilcowie2329]

@@yonseimatt it was my understanding that it was lighter. As you say, it's easier to trim on the go. Also the ergo shifters were quite new and some of the riders weren't completely confident with them. I had 95 campagnolo record on a colnago and had no problems with the left hand ergo. I believe Armstrong had the same downtube shifter setup

[@yonseimatt]

@@neilcowie2329 Interesting. I was getting into mountain bikes at the time so wasn't au fait with what was going on in the peloton. I remember my first indexed road shifters- SunTour Accushift on the downtube!- with fondness, but had a looong break from road riding before brifters were really a thing. Only really got back into it about 10 years ago, missed a fascinating chunk of history in the making :-(

[@paulsimms6890]

They forgot about Stephen Roche who not only did the double but got the rainbow jersey as well in the same year 1987.

[@DaanHoogland]

my og my, this is not mentioned enough in the comments.

[@endcensorship874]

Those Time pedals were the shizzle, man. When I got my pair, it felt so pro. That was 91. I loved those original Time pedals, it was what all my favorite pros used.

[@geruto17760]

Pantani all the way! :-)

[@SioLazer]

I love my retro stuff with a pinch of modern flair. I have a 90's allez with Chorus 11 and a Gilles Berthoud saddle. No disc brakes. Full fenders and a Spurcycle bell. Great for blending commutes to work with training rides in all weather. I didn't want to park it in front of the gym so I pivoted to commuting on a Peugeot Versailles for about a year. That gearing put hair on my chest LOL. My sweet husband (lucky me, a talented wrench) put full fenders and a rack on it for me. The spring of old steel is super comfortable and adds weight and makes a great training ride. My weekend toy (a Griffen) is light and aerodynamic so I feel stronger on it.

[@urskapunkt9185]

for pros i consider sticking to tubular tyres as sensible. at those speeds that are raced in the peloton, in case of a flat it's just the safest option that is out there.

[@jasonstevenson110]

Amazing that Pantani's bike from 1998 was almost at the UCI limit. RIP legend.

[@fiddleronthebike]

I doubt that very much...

[@dncsmedia]

I don't think enough people point out the simple fact that Pantani's bike was lighter. And it didn't have any of the "stuff" on it. Capitalism or our commercial interests bring us to what some call the iPhone society. Where we need a new one every year... People need to take a deep breath see what they're getting into. If someone isn't a competitive racer. Especially during our supposed bike shortage, I can't see why more old frames aren't having life brought back into them. Oh yeah, it doesn't help the bike shops. I have one local shop here that has a row of Steel Vintage Bikes. He's 1 of 7 shops in the city and the only one where you can find a fully restored Pantani era. I love my vintage bikes. I also love my 2016 Bianchi. 🚲🚲🤙🏼✌🏼❤

[@vittorioferraris9558]

blood thickness comparison would be cool aswell

[@treygray2817]

🤣

[@glyndonwakeman7420]

A tech note. In the close ups of Pantani's bike the left shifter is on the downtube. The old weight saving measure for the climber's bike. You should have mentioned that one Mr Powers.

[@gcntech]

Great spot! Both the bikes so many little bits of innovation it's hard to pick up on them all!

[@Desa79]

I remember a documentary in 1998 comparing End-90s Bikes with 70s Bikes. Feeling old. 😐

[@JumpingWatermelons]

I had a bike with that same 9 speed record. It was great. The 10 speed record shifting felt even better though

[@prestachuck2867]

Pantani’s bike is equipped with Campagnolo Differential Brakes. The front caliper is dual pivot for maximum power, while the back brake is a single pivot caliper which saves weight while reducing the likelihood of locking up the back wheel (the cUse of high side falls) on fast descents and in slippery conditions.

[@nomotorneeded77]

That may be true. The bike in the video shows dual pivot front and rear tho..

[@bernd5199]

I'm postmodern 😂 steel frame with modern components 😀

[@reapanomin899]

I've got a taste for that,too.Cheers.

[@127ibenedict]

That's the best way to go. Especially with some classy lugs

[@reapanomin899]

@@127ibenedict Damn.Lugs just make a steel bike look the looks.

[@bernd5199]

@@127ibenedict oh yeah, I like that look too, but my steel bike is filet brazed, it looks like one piece 😀

[@joeinglesfield]

I have a 1986 Team Panasonic Raleigh that I’ve put new Centaur on 😙👌🏼

[@julmeissonnier]

Good Jeremy, you are learning! Despite the industry pushing tubeless, pros still dominantly use tubulars (for now). The main reason is because of the ability to roll flat. That is especially true in tough conditions like the spring cobbled classics, and sometimes in the mountains where it is hard to get a wheel from the support car. With a tubular rolling flat for one km or two they may get a wheel one minute down from the peloton and with a tubeless or clincher that cannot roll flat that might get a wheel 3 minutes behind and never see the head of the race again... Also the rims are still lighter (though with disk specific rims the gap is decreasing).Those 100 grams per rim make a pretty big difference. I am wondering if tubeless tubulars are going to come along (though I doubt the industry will want to make that R&D investment)...

[@JMcLeodKC711]

It’s worth mentioning that Pantani’s bike used an index shifter for the rear mech but a good old fashioned friction shifter for the front mech

[@Joshuavoice29]

Hearing Jeremy butcher Roglic so many times is painful.

[@grumpycyclistdubai]

likewise :-)

[@scotth3354]

He wasn’t even consistent in his mispronunciations.

[@qetuo232]

What a joke :( I abandoned watching this video several times because of that...

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@scotth3354 Yes, he was almost completely right with his first attempt at the very beginning.

[@LIONSSPEAK]

I know Stephen Roche won the triple crown in 1987 but 2 parts were the giro tour double.

[@DaanHoogland]

mail Jeremy personally!

[@01FozzyS]

Definitely The Pirate's is what I'd rock!

[@alex6677]

Yes it’s a beautiful bicycle. Only the Italians could make something so lovely

[@imanopanjeta]

Please get the names right, I understand they do not come naturally to everyone, but top level athletes deserve the respect of their names being pronounced properly. There is always someone around from the Balkans to explain how to do this properly. If not, many if us visiting the channel would gladly assist. Keep up the good work guys, GCN is a wonderful thing!

[@Ernie_13]

Jeremy, I love your work at GCN - truly! But need to say - it’s not that hard to give it a minute extra and please research pronunciation of a rider. Do it please at least out of the respect to rider that you make video about. His name is PrimoŹ RogliĆ. You missed both endings in both words. A bit of searching on YT will get you there. (and I am not even from Slovenia) 😜 Thanks for great video Jeremy! 👍

[@DaanHoogland]

lukazh Katshiatshvili, sure you're not from slovenia but yoru slavic pride is appriciated! greatings from the (north-)west

[@latecheckout11]

I could forgive him (i know sometimes is not easy) if the pronounce ''C'' instead of '''K'' in his surname

[@Ernie_13]

:))) ....to be honest, I would like any name to be pronounced correctly. That’s what I liked about US/CAN commentators (example in NHL) that once player gets recognized, they will search how his name is pronounced in his native country, so they don’t butcher it in Live stream. Same I experienced watching cycling on Eurosport. Many exotic names, but commentator is trying best to get it right. Lantern Rouge is also doing great job getting foreign names right.

[@DaanHoogland]

@@Ernie_13 I agree, and i think it should be a general moral standard in all our lives. no mercy for the sinners.

[@DaanHoogland]

@@leedorney you want to sink to the level of the French? You're not for real are you?

[@johnsowerby7182]

I have a 98 Bianchi XL EV2 Reparto Corse, which is pretty damn close to the Mega Pro. Campy drivetrain, which was originally a 10 speed Record set. Just replaced the rear derailleur with the 10 speed Veloce, due to component failure. The bike is light, responsive, and stiff, and still copes with what I can throw at it with ease.

[@singlespeedchronicles7640]

Love love love this content... And JPow, however you pronounce it, your enthusiasm is INTOXICATING!!!!

[@gcntech]

Thanks very much!

[@juliuscaesar4802]

I was born in 98 never thought I’d be really into cycling until the past 4 years I own several bianchis, hopefully one day I could purchase a mega pro xl ❤

[@brianschiff35]

I’m a tech guy but I you take Pantani’s bike hands down. Super nice.

[@galenkehler]

Cool I'm just watching Pantani in the old 90s tours right now.

[@DrJRMCFC]

Galen Kehler Drugs or not, he was just superb to watch. So thrilling and exciting.

[@815vega1]

you missed the downtube shifter for Pantani's front derailleur too

[@chicodiflora]

Good to see Jeremy recording again. I was already missing the guy hahaha

[@caesarianboii8060]

Different bikes, different era but same Bianchi so both bikes are🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@billincolumbia]

Thanks Jeremy!

[@julmeissonnier]

I had this 9 speed Record Ti groupset on a 1998 Litespeed Vortex, it was a fantastic groupset! Working like clockwork despite being almost 20 years old and the 20-year-old bottom bracket was original and perfectly smooth!!! I think you'll be lucky to get 2 years out of the modern BB... But I could not deal with 39x23 as small gear anymore, that's obsolete (or maybe I am ;) ...

[@johnandrews3568]

Campy for life!

[@reapanomin899]

Speaking of the bikes Pantani rode,one of his time trial bikes is still my dream bike.

[@WillMahler]

Great history lesson. Nice delivery, Powers!

[@gcntech]

Glad you liked it!

[@jonburnell532]

Usually I'd go retro. And let's face it Pantanis frame with Campy kit looks stunning. But I'm swayed this time with the Oltre.

[@TheMysteriousPranker]

Jeremy is becoming my favourite presenter! Gives a different dynamic to the other guys but really enjoy listening to him!

[@viverss]

Really good video but “Pierada” and “Roguelick”? I know it’s petty but I wish he’d made the effort to pronounce the riders names properly.

[@irvhh143]

It would be interesting to test bikes for their stopping distance from 40 kph. Maybe a padded landing area would be good.

[@neilcowie2329]

Irv Hh the older bike would win

[@sprintcollegeacollegeliken4648]

You missed Stephen Roche, 1987, in your list of Giro/TDF doubles in the same season!

[@johnandrews3568]

Came here to point this out... leaving satisfied.. Roche got the Giro and TdF enroute to his triple crown in '87.

[@augustoferreira3647]

Also one of my favorite bikes is my 2001 Pinarello Prince, super stiff , yet compliant with carbon stays. The bike just fits well.

[@martinberry1540]

Pantani did change his gear ratios, he did ride 39/25 for some of the steeper climbs!!

[@abedfo88]

Haha, I would struggle up 5% grades with that

[@markrushton5106]

He was a lightweight with talent and assistance so yes he could climb faster than others

[@matthewlewis2072]

Hey Jeremy, what's with the single D/T lever on Pantani's bike? Is that even a Campag part?

[@colletjulien]

Matthew Lewis he had a down tube shifter for the front derailleur.

[@brianrainey2739]

I have the Pantani Bianchi (not his) and rode it a couple of days ago! Had it for over 10 years and love it. Mine has Campy Nucleon wheelset and a Time carbon stem and Speedplays but otherwise pretty much the same ride. Wish they would have actually ridden both and compared....

[@NigelPCrane]

Pantani all the way. Awesome video. Thanks.

[@fergusfitzgerald977]

I am Irish so I have to remind you about the omission of Stephen Roche ! He also won the World Championship as well ! Nice video nevertheless ! Thanks

[@olegsulyga7]

Cheers Jeremy for another great presentation. BUT pronunciation police on Roglic(CH) is on your case!

[@tomazmole7847]

"Rouglich"

[@arjendillema437]

Tomaž Mole rocklick

[@RudiDwiHartanto]

How to pronounce his name correctly guys?

[@satrioesar7151]

@@pauldamian2988 "pentani" bruhh...

[@balndek7967]

@@RudiDwiHartanto Roglič-Roglich

[@edclay4685]

Retro is my favorite look. I still ride an aluminum frame with carbon fiber front fork.

[@markbooth6745]

Pantani bike any day, it's got campagnolo on it too. The best.😃👍

[@babygerald4645]

No mention of Pantani still using a downtube shifter for his front derailleur but an Ergopower shifter for his RD. That is probably the most old-school feature on his bike. And those Record brakes on Pantani's are also dual-pivot, just not direct-mount. As an old man, I'll take Pantani's bike all day long.

[@sasha371]

For the weekend joy ride: classic but wwith modern components! Looks so much better! And yeah, GCN more of this type of content! It's a cool comparison, would be good to see this on cannondale and specialised, trek and williers! P.s.: it's not [Roglik] it's [Roglitch]

[@stephengiavara3405]

Forgot to mention Stephen Roche completing the Giro-TdF double in 1987!

[@DaanHoogland]

not enough p[eople are complaning about this!

[@DaanHoogland]

@Neil Pook harte top break it to you; Froome did it just a few years ago: tour vuelta giro tour in a row

[@williambaird6276]

Retro....Great video....🚴🏻😎🇬🇧🌍.....

[@brycezoeller]

This is the JPow content that I am here for Bros!

[@germanhugger41]

Marco Pantani's Bianchi was made with scandium alloy tubing. The red Time equipe magnesium pedals he rode had special short spindles that were only available to pro riders. The bike you featured is an excellent replica otherwise.

[@billkallas1762]

The last year a steel bike won the Tour was in 1994. The next year was either the last, or almost the last that Bianchi made steel bikes in their "racing department." (That's when I picked up my TSX frameset) After 1994, Tour riders started using, Aluminum, Titanium, and then Carbon, within four years.

[@lwittrock1]

Great video!

[@paddyotoole2058]

Stephen Roche 1987. He won the Worlds also that year.

[@DaanHoogland]

keep shouting ate the lack of research on this one guys. I don't care how sympatic Jeremy is!!!

[@voiceofreason9780]

How come the rimbrake C40s on consumer sites always have shiny metallic brake tracks, but whenever C40s are shown on a pros bike the brake track is black?

[@andrewturchan6065]

Great job Jeremy . Still hope to see you at Gran Fondo World Championships in Vancouver …. Hope it happens ……………...

[@DrJRMCFC]

superb, love this sort of content.

[@abel2cycle989]

I'd take the modern rig. But its awesome the retro rig was a 9 speed. I dislike all the electronics though. 👍 great video

[@bevevans8492]

Stephen Roche 1987 Giro, Tour and World road race champion that's a list of 2 EM being the other rider on the list

[@RichardSmith-ed9ky]

Stephen Roche also did the Giro Tour double in the same season.

[@Loz20365]

interesting that pantani had a down tube shifter for his front derailleur

[@gmm9200]

Amazing no one else catched that detail!

[@333wheeler]

Yeah .. surprised they do not use that trick now a days.. the cable shift is excellent.. Most rides its infrequently used anyway.. .

[@gmm9200]

@@333wheeler Maintenance is zero and they would be very cheap. Which means they can't sell you STI shifters for 500€ the couple anymore. Same thing with disk brakes and so on. The bike industry is complicating the semplicity of the bike in order to make money. New technologies bring small improvements, big raise in prices.

[@Loz20365]

@@333wheeler friction shifting on the front is far superior to modern indexed systems, not sure about having the shifter on the down tube though!

[@mosca3289]

Armstrong did the same for big climbing stages to save weight.

[@auldae]

Manon's calling "chimney" on the Oltre, right?

[@dennisspors7530]

I own a Pantani Xl Pro, Ev2 and Ev4. I am retro. Pantani's times on the big climbs are better. In group rides, I hold my own

[@mrbaileybass]

Stephen Roche also did the double in the same season.

[@niconesta8566]

The Pantani bike looks so dang good and was made for a legend.

[@pauldjerassi620]

What was the sizes of the front chain rings of Pantani's bike that you show here please.

[@mahiru20ten]

Pantani and Roglic's team jersey and bike also have some dashes of yellow. (Although Roglic has it more on the jersey, where Pantani has it more on the bike)

[@Servicevelo]

It's all subjective but Pantani's bike is one of the two best looking bikes ever. The other is Greg Lemonds '89 winning TT Bottechia. Pantani's winning having taken on Ullrich on the Galibier in the rain is still the best days racing I've ever seen. It's just a pity we now know how he did it.

[@cyclist2906]

Stephen Roche also won the Giro - TdF double, in '87

[@TweedSuit]

Pantani's prototype EV Bianchi and its successor the EV2 were only suited to very light riders - they would routinely fail at the top/head tube junction with heavier loads. They didn't sort this deficiency out until the EV3 in 2003.

[@timmedcalf1357]

Hi Jeremy, would have been worth pointing out that Pantani's bike had only one ergo shifter as a weight saving. The other shifting being done by a downtube lever. Interesting that this approach was also copied by Lance. I'd have Pantani's bike any day as it looks amazing - switching out the pedals for some modern ones would also bring it well under the UCI limit.

[@renegadetenor]

Good to know that my bike is state of the art...at the turn of the century:)

[@danteintx7621]

Pantani would switch to 39 on the front for the mountain stages

[@LasseFister]

Pantani had a downtube shifter for the front but Ergopower for the rear, was that common thing?

[@shaunjnmkbrennan7539]

Did my hearing fail me or did he forget to mention Stephen Roche among the giro tour double winners??

[@discbrakefan]

Oltre XR4 is a dream bike, so that one!

[@AntoMulholland]

Jeremy you are a legend but, for the love of carbs. "Rock-lich" 🤘 "PEN-tani" ✍️ "il PIE-RAY-TAH" 🥧💯??? 😂

[@neil7769]

Look, it's IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND YOUR EFFING POLLS IN THE AP!! Can you please state WHERE THEY ARE, i.e. which section of the ap? The poll mentioned here about tubulars isn't under "Polls" or "Tech" - so where is it??

[@josephhinz5747]

Gotta like the mismatched shifters on the '98 Mega Pro

[@bobolson3180]

Should've compared Marco's bike to the 2020 Specialissima Pantani version.

[@efrainsantiagohernandez9535]

A mi por lo general m inclino por retro olds school 👌👍🇵🇷!!

[@notso100]

I think it is a bit unfair not to include Roche in the double group... because he did that before the triple ;)

[@gcntech]

Good point!