Hewlett Packard PA RISC’s Apollo and Visualize - RETRO Hardware

[@vartikcsaba]

Beautiful machines! At my workplace, we still use several B180L-s. They are still going strong!

[@ipeters61]

I find that emphasis on the front audio (controls and jacks) very interesting.

[@Kedvespatikus]

16:15 When you have the raw computing power of an Amiga 4000 on your extension card...

[@andycristea]

Yeah! I hope it's not just a network card as suggested by the two AMD chips but something cooler! :D

[@kemi242]

128 MB must have been a ton of RAM in 1994 (well, not unless your system costed as much as a luxury car back then). I was playing Doom on a 486 with 8 MB at the time.

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

That machine can use 512 MB, while 4 year newer Dell dimension desktop was restricted to 384 MB with particluar simm. And that Dell was a pentium 2 machine.

[@aaaalex1994]

That card with a 68040 CPU built in looks expensive as shit

[@herauthon]

i got a HP PA-RISC - nice A0 paperweight

[@clintthompson4100]

Awesome stuff love seeing the AMD logo on the chips what looks like a daughter card in the last system. Love to see how Cisc based cpus of the same speed and era(or close as possible) compare to the Risc cpus used with the same software or OS (if even possible) just to see how one compares to the other. Great Video.

[@losttownstreet3409]

You can't compare cisc and risc as everytime a special complex instruction in hardware is used a cisc system is faster/more engery efficient. The idea behind risc is, that these instruction don't run very often and a faster overall clock speed is better. The risc cpu's still getting special crypto instructions and hw multiplers/dividers. The COPACOBANA run's overall faster, with a custom instruction set ( www.copacobana.org/photos/photo_7.jpg ). The same is true with crypto: special crypto chips (for example sha-1) is much more faster as every GPU/CPU solution and newer crypto systems try to make it hard to create a ASIC.

[@cellsplicer2008]

I once had a 735/125. Would have been eye wateringly expensive for the day. Weighed a ton as well. These machines were simply in a different league in terms of build quality and performance.

[@nawainrukalfank1703]

NOTE : "to be opened by authorized personnel only" this guy : pretend that he didn't see that

[@Kedvespatikus]

Oh, he authorized himself.

[@RETROHardware]

my screwdriver is authorized = I can open anything :-)

[@warrax111]

Diky za tento kanal a zato, ze si zberatel. A mas tolko dobrych veci. Dobre sa to pozera, len clanky, alebo prispevky na (dizajnom) pokazenom Vogons, tak nenaplnaju. Je vela zberatelov na cz-sk scene, ale len velmi malo robi dobre videa. Neviem preco, ale nostalgicke spomienky na stary hardware a zachranovanie/obnovovanie stareho hardwaru, naplna zvlastnym pocitom pokoja a upokojuje to. Dobre sa pri tom relaxuje a vycisti hlava.

[@ThorLite]

First thought : "Can you run Doom on it?"

[@HuntersMoon78]

That'll be a bit RISCy

[@jolangse]

Yes, there's a Doom port for PA-RISC HP-UX 10.20 (originally ported to a HP logic analyzer ^^), plus the "Doom it Yourself" port. Don't think there's sound on any of them tho.

[@jimmyhopkins1]

Great stuff once again mate

[@johnDingoFoxVelocity]

interresting some risc machines where designed with linux unix in mind others where designed for windows nt 4.0 platform only there are so many strange operating systems on risc based systems

[@piecaruso97]

The isa card at 4:13 should be an 8 serial interfaces controller, it attaches to a dongle which gives you 8 serial connections, it was used probably to connect to some equipment setup

[@RETROHardware]

Yep something like this ... only missing octopusy

[@andycristea]

​@@RETROHardware I have 3 boards from different generations and manufacturers (PCI and PCI-E) that have this connector and are 8x serial ports cards but share the same pinout. Perhaps it is an industrial standard? If you ever want to use this card, here is the pinout for all of mine: i.imgur.com/QkxhxmZ.png I would check the grounds and if they match up, it's 90% the same pinout. This way you can make your own octopussy :)) !

[@piecaruso97]

@@RETROHardware Also you can use that card on any standard isa-compatible computer

[@EssArrB]

Yes, an 8 port serial card. 4 off dual chanel Z80 SIO UART's with 2 off Z80 CTC 4 channel timers as baud rate generators. Don't know why they didn't use 16550s as they're using an 8088 to control it all! Looks like it was designed upto a price!

[@Troppa17]

Not only a asynchronous 8 port serial interface. It also allowed up to 8 users to use the same HP Apollo 700 workstation simultaneously. Each port could handle up to 38,400 baud if all were ports were in use. Pretty schmick for 1992 if you ask me.

[@TomStorey96]

3:50 with all of those Z80 SIO chips I can only imagine this is some sort of dumb terminal concentrator. I guess this system acted in part like a "mini mainframe". Presumably the Z80 CTC chips are used to generate the clock signals that set the baud rate for each SIO channel.

[@ferdinandnunez9784]

Amazing Bro! Salutes from mexico!

[@RETROHardware]

Photo gallery for this video: facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1017391485338810 video with HP Apollo Apollo 715 / 75 : kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4OtgYh6eKd6kMk more info HP Apollo Apollo 725 / 50: www.openpa.net/systems/hp-9000_725.html mroe info HP Visualize B132L: www.openpa.net/systems/hp-visualize_b132l_b160l_b180l.html more info HP Apollo Apollo 715 / 75: www.openpa.net/pa-risc_processor_pa-7100.html

[@andycristea]

Hello! The link for the 715/75 Apollo is wrong. Here is the correct one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4OtgYh6eKd6kMk

[@RETROHardware]

OK thanks. Repaired.

[@andycristea]

@@RETROHardware No problem! The wrong link with the vintage water cooling video was a very good video as well! :D

[@yjk_ch]

I'm really curious about that card with 68040. What is that for...?

[@danilohenrique4473]

It's very beautiful

[@fenixlolnope361]

PA-RISC BABYYYY! Try SPARC next!

[@BGTech1]

Beautiful cpus

[@lakefreefall]

pa risc has set the pace

[@Pro100Drew]

Отличный ролик! Самое то для моего любимово пива и вкусной рыбки.

[@charonunderground8596]

Amazing machines !

[@izools]

That controller card looks like it could be a multi UART card, these would come with a breakout cable into, maybe 8x RS232 serial ports, to run dumb terminals.

[@Kedvespatikus]

SEU-8 port. SEU might stand for Serial Expansion Unit or what.

[@RETROHardware]

Yep some serial controller and octopusy is missing.

[@swrzesinski]

I find heartbeat led is super cool.

[@nicksmith4507]

Even better for me was the CPU load lights on the early PA-RISC machines like the 715s

[@altbeetle1998]

interesting devices. and what a pity that they become obsolete so quickly

[@AlejxndroGG]

Amazing 👀

[@Ale.K7]

Awesome!

[@ともりなお-r2r]

Nice video!

[@wishusknight3009]

The first ISA card that you could not identify that I presume has the 3 row 50 pin plug on it, is an 8 port serial card. Most likely for powering dumb terminals. No clue what the other card with the 68040 does though.

[@wowpc]

와우! 가지고 싶어요.~~

[@dietermontanez6576]

Advant was an automation system from ABB. Those look like the SCADA workstations to such a system

[@oggyosbourne]

ABB machine: Made in Sweden Very nice! ;) I had no idea they even made computers. Did you buy that from Sweden? Only curious for it has alot of markings after swedish regulations and so on.

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

The sign in the rear in swedish says a bit - though in this case HP is a OEM manufacturer for ABB. Advant seems to be a control system intended for different types of power plants.

[@unknownpeople6304]

20 like.... I like retro hardware

[@alel963]

Es hat mir gefallen!!!

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

11:41 though i'm very unsure that HP-UX likes losing power like that - next fsck could become interesting.

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

16:20 i believe that is a ADvant Controller 450.

[@Lion_McLionhead]

To someone alive 30 years ago, they still look like they should leap ahead of any PC, but they would really be slow today.

[@catherinelissandreau1384]

Hello bonjour de France.

[@h2vgv2]

RS-232C interface; intelligent, 8 port serial expansion unit; connects up to 8 users and peripherals to a hp apollo series 700 workstation; uses 8 DB25 female connectors; P41.0 to P113.0 fahrenheit operating temp; software enhanced, it also includes an on-board cpu card plus memory to process and buffer data; 128 output & 256 input buffer size; 4000 char per sec input to 12, 200 char per sec output transfer rate; each port operates at speeds up to 38, 400 baud and supports asynchronous modems; includes cabling & software

[@VK2FVAX]

What are the pentium3 Mercury systems behind you?

[@kibawolf2501]

Would you happen to know off the top of your head what type and pin count the external SCSI is?

[@MrLukealbanese]

Lovely

[@ramesse8289]

If you don't have credentials for that HP-UX system, you can try to boot to single user mode and reset the root password

[@jim8230]

Do you know the series number of those AMP plugs on the mouse and keyboard?

[@AshenTechDotCom]

you mean the DIN plugs?

[@jim8230]

@@AshenTechDotCom Those weren't DIN plugs. They were made by AMP. They were used on AMF scoring systems that I repair.

[@RETROHardware]

KB + mouse is interface called HIL by HP. It runs 12V (not 5V) and they made 3 kind of it.

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

4:13 multi-port serial adapter.

[@budakRancak96]

can this pc run crysis 60fps?

[@beyond305]

why is it that its been over 20 years since this pc was created and yet our mainstream consumer hard drives are still only 7500 rpm ? yeah theres 10k rpm hard drives that have been around for a while but theyre not mainstream, and why the speed of 7200-7500? whats the significance? we even came out with a whole different form of media but hard drives still are stuck in the past...

[@dtb9165]

if someone wants/needs it, I have an EISA expansion card for the HP715 workstaion.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Serious question, what would these run? Windows won't, and apple sure wouldn't let their system software near any of these. I doubt hp coded its own os and software suites for these, either.

[@holdenger]

Educate yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

@@holdenger So literally, HP made itself a Linux to sell these systems with. Seems very mad lad of them, in retrospective.

[@holdenger]

@@ZeroHourProductions407 Did you read that Wikipedia page? 😄 It’s not Linux and it’s still actively developed.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

@@holdenger linux is linux is linux. Nothing more needs to be said.

[@TheGuruTech]

@@ZeroHourProductions407 But it’s not Linux. It’s UNIX.

[@RickDeckardt]

tries to login as admin on an HP-UX UNIX system... lol Try root

[@mustangrt8866]

the rear looks like an apple computer

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

16:39 amd ethernet controller ILACC

[@MALAY_TENGU]

Why so expensive tho

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

many things/reasons. They were compared with PC low volume products Fairly complicated designs - which means that taken a step in performance can be as basic as upgrading amount of memory -- a machine could be sold with 64 MB only but a simple upgrade is 256 MB so go to 384 MB. Computer manufacturers and sw developers leverage their heft buy simply setting the price they want - and usually don't give a shit if it means that the number of customers becomes static. VMware raised their prices now for example IBM is another company well known for asking for fairly high license costs etc

[@Alex4SiliconValley]

SAM I am, I hate green eggs and Ham. ( SWinstall ).

[@ВасяПупкен-к6в]

No BGA, no liquid capasitors... Great!

[@benbenjimtb7408]

You are not lucky 😥

[@miroslavs3355]

first

[@fringe5174]

Go ssd this computer