The Crimewatch Years 1990 Murders

Crimewatch UK 1990 Murders
Laurence Winstanley Murder (Unsolved)
Ricky Haywood Murder (Unsolved)
Karen Price Murder (Solved)
Carmel Gamble Murder (Unsolved)
Keith Burgess Murder (Unsolved)
Surinder Gill Murder (Unsolved)
Murray Erskine Murder (Unsolved)
David Birkett Murder (Solved)
Wayne Taylor Murder (Solved)
Lee Parsons Murder (Unsolved)
Ann Heron Murder (Unsolved)
Paul Stevens Murder (Unsolved)
Gail Whitehouse Murder (Unsolved)
Thank you to Redcard74 for uploading the original episodes, and a special thank you to Andy JS for finding and uploading the missing episode

[@Liza-cl2gb]

Michael Wyatt murdered Wayne Taylor 11 in a squat in Southwyck House, Somerleyton Road, Brixton. He was also convicted for the attempted murder of another 9-year-old boy. After his conviction it was revealed that he had earlier killed a man in Jamaica where he was from having been convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 18 months. He and the man had had a row over some cooking oil. Wayne Taylor's body was found dead on a mattress in a squat on 21 February 1990 having been strangled. He had been buggered. How truly horrendous and disgusting we allow these killers into the country then and now. May he RIP.

[@IanP1963]

The cops let Winstanley's car go for scrap - what a stupid decision !!!!

[@MsKittymiss]

Init thought same

[@NoirL.A.]

i love the lack of background music in these old episodes. it really gives youmuch more of a sense of actually being there. it's much eerier.

[@noongourfain]

Absolutely!...CW UK uses music but it's ambient...playing in the pub or on the radio in the room. There's a new UK true crime show with the slo-mo device and the exaggerated narration, dumb & nauseating.

[@stephenbain389]

Yep. The over-dramatised reconstructions in the later years got silly and downright disrespectful.

[@privatelyprivate3285]

You nailed it.

[@johnsmith-rs2vk]

When English was correctly spoken , pronounced and understood .Check out the old GB . films .

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

34:43 I've done some digging around regarding Carmel Gamble's case. In 2014, an 82 year old man was stabbed to death by a man who he had employed as a gardener named David Hall. The house where this happened was little more than a stones throw from Carmel's cottage in Rodborough. I have seen a picture of David Hall and he looks uncannily like the man in the photo fit. If David Hall (who would have been 22 or 23 in November 1989) had a receding hairline at the time of Carmel's murder, then it's my belief that he was the 'middle aged' man who walked away when the shop assistant approached Carmel.

[@DaisyCatToo]

Can you please talk to the police.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

@@Yesman10 Are you telling me you've never known anyone who looked a lot older than they actually were?

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

Who have I accused of murder?

[@Xxxxxx19-p1c]

Several folks thought the bag in the river looked like a body…. 3 MONTHS LATER someone finally called the police about it. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@elainech6387]

Thanks for detailing the status of these cases next to their names. It’s staggering, and so sad for the families, that so many of these murders are unsolved. 😢

[@unlimitedsquad6569]

Keep up these compilations retro! Your hard work editing is very much appreciated

[@IanP1963]

Deffo !!!

[@clioflano421]

Very much appreciated, I really like the index (of names) & solved/unsolved info.

[@midlandfox2954]

The Karen price case was one of the first files I ever saw but this is the first time I've seen the original appeal and they've used the same actress which is rare thanks for this quality upload respect to all crimewatchers

[@byronwelch1288]

Poor Wayne Taylor. Also, the 9 year old attacked months before. Staying out till midnight!!!!!!!!! Reminds you how dysfunctional some childrens life's were, and are 😢

[@CARLIN4737]

Shocking.

[@dominewimbury2039]

So shocking how many murders remain unsolved, and not just from 1990

[@IanP1963]

Yes I was thinking same, just saw 1991 CW years, out of all those very minimal had been solved !!!!

[@IanP1963]

1989 is the same and 1988 looks like it's going that way👍

[@Maz-zb9uf]

Yep I was thinking the same thing

[@oliprj8676]

Yeah strange how a lot murders of homosexuals are unsolved 🤔

[@zeddeka]

It's so easy to forget how long ago it all was now. Literally last century. The technology was really limited. DNA was very basic, CCTV was rare, mobile phone records like we have them now just didn't exist. The police were almost totally reliant on appeals for witnesses. The tragedy for these victims is that so many of the cases would have been solved pretty quickly if they'd happened today.

[@gemmawatford7224]

Very good show the older cases were, of course a lot better reconstructions, than those of more recent years.

[@CARLIN4737]

yep

[@eddieedwards5668]

Thanks Retropixels, it's always good to catch up with all the missed episodes from yesteryear, pity they haven't caught all those responsible as well, hopefully justice will come one day for their families and loved ones.....

[@IanP1963]

I thought that, on the 1991 CW tears very few had been solved, depressing !!!!

[@joshuaedwards4536]

@@IanP1963 agreed, it seems really sad to think that many of these victims families passed away without seeing true justice gained for their loved ones ....

[@privatelyprivate3285]

What’s the current status of genealogical dna in the UK, in terms or prosecutorial allowance and resource availability? As more and more states allow it in the USA, cold cases are being solved like mad.

[@mAiSiEbOOOO]

Thoughts on the circumstances of Paul Stevens' murder. There was no offer of a job. He lied to placate his landlady, who was getting sick of him staying out all at hours drinking and using her sofa to sleep off his hangovers. The tall, blond man in whose company he was seen is a red herring. He was a regular at the Chariot pub, named Martin and lived in New Zealand. I think Paul was apt to strike up conversations with friendly people in pubs to 'bum' free drinks. He clearly had a problem with alcohol, and it was disrupting his life. That's why he had left his brother's home and had taken shelter with a kind woman who felt sorry for him. Unfortunately, he appeared to be using her, too. The area of the Grand Union Canal where Paul was found was an infamous haunt of homosexual activity. Nearby is The Grand Union pub, which is where a witness remembered seeing him three weeks before his death. I believe he was attacked by a psychotic individual or member of an armed group as he 'cruised' the canal path, just because he stood out and his killer was drunk, angry and looking for a vulnerable target.

[@billericaydickie]

Interesting, you've clearly got some insight into this area at the time, seeing you've named the previously unidentified guy in the pub. I can easily believe your theory re: the murder, there are lots of aimless directionless people out there who just drift around living off other people's goodwill. That leaves them vulnerable.

[@earth0128]

So are you saying he met a Martin at the pub? I agree Paul was vulnerable.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

I agree with all of that. Apart from the promise of a homosexual liaison, what else would Paul Stevens travel three miles for at that time of night?

[@charlieminaj2]

@@MosesDeLaRosescock?

[@unclebobconner1417]

People were getting killed left right and centre in the 80's and 90's it was so dangerous back then you wasn't even safe in your own home it was terrifying

[@Scott-se9qr]

Wasn't

[@zeddeka]

@@Scott-se9qr Britain had the highest rate of violent crime in Europe in the 80s. It was a pretty grim time

[@Maz-zb9uf]

People say the good old days 🤦

[@unclebobconner1417]

@@Maz-zb9uf I was always scared to death when I was younger I had knightmares and people kept trying to hurt me I'm lucky to still be alive

[@Maz-zb9uf]

@@unclebobconner1417 listen when I was growing the crime rate where I lived were serious people getting murdered , rape, etc some of those murders are unsolved still

[@Lushgirl81]

I’m guessing whoever hired the car possibly used it to dump poor Murray Erskine’s body.

[@IanP1963]

A very odd case indeed - such a pleasent cultured bloke. Hope it is solved one day, the victim deserves total justice!

[@MrAshleywilkinson]

We all have family a mother a father I wonder if killers even think about these things it's so upsetting how people can be so cruel

[@IanP1963]

Totally agree - the execution style murder of Lee Parsons seems particularly cruel & ruthless, very OTT.....

[@mrkipling2201]

Those flats in Feltham for the Paul Stevens murder is a estate called Highfields. I used to live in Feltham from 1984 to 2008. I didn’t know anything about that case at all.

[@noongourfain]

@mrkipling2201 Another architect's wet dream no doubt. The kind of porn few understand! (I mean the building)

[@CARLIN4737]

Im sorry to hear that you lived in Feltham for so long?

[@mrkipling2201]

@@CARLIN4737 😂😂 it wasn't too bad, especially in the 1980's and very early 1990's. For the 5 years or so up until I left it wasn't the same place though. Went downhill big time.

[@cartimandua_]

Ann Herrons husband was charged with her murder but it had to be dropped due to lack of evidence. He was having an affair and couldn't account for his whereabouts - changed his story etc. Police think he did it.

[@jwithington9347]

Something very haunting about these old reconstructions to think the people responsible are still out there watching this it's like a depressing time capsule but very intriguing to watch

[@AmandaEm7]

The later shows are nothing like the originals they probably had to tone them down as people were scared watching

[@markdavidson9100]

Manda Clody I was scared as a child, my parents watched it so I was interested too, was hard to sleep as a school night. Traumatised when a recon featuring a man being attacked, was an actor in a kids show I used to watch

[@IanP1963]

The old private vids they show of person like Lee Parsons are haunting and there's one of Bev Trendall in 1985 in Spain which is also haunting 😔

[@jwithington9347]

@@markdavidson9100 must admit every time they said dont have nightmares at the end it never worked as every episode I watched as a kid I always found scary as hell

[@jwithington9347]

@@IanP1963 I'll give those a watch if i can find them

[@pattihearse]

Never argue with a “short fat bald man”!

[@DaisyCatToo]

That fits the description of my boyfriend and he is a hard man with a troubled past. He is a pussycat now that I've tamed him!

[@lizzrobb2313]

Michael Wyatt was convicted of Wayne Taylors murder & attempted murder of the other young boy .My sincere condolences to Wayne's family & friends and I pray the other young boy was able to move on in life & it didn't affect him in any horrible way I pray for you all 🙏🙏❤️❤️🩵🩵

[@Lushgirl81]

Wayne seemed like a lovely lad.

[@IvorGrumble]

Right so the bloke is described as having short, receding dark hair so they put a bloke with ginger hair on the photofit. Brilliant, that'll jog people's memories fucksake.

[@susannaspare843]

Ivor Grumble hahaha true

[@joannehowe7513]

It’s Steve Davis or him from simply red then, Mick Hucknall!

[@tristanmorgan852]

That's the police for you

[@ckcapone2269]

Maybe you weren't supposed to recognise the e-fit... imagine that??!

[@FallenAngel53]

I’m so glad now we have so much more advanced tech to catch these evil beings that walk amongst us 😡

[@midlandfox2954]

There was no way the man in the pub was going to get Paul Stevens a pint in 🍻😂

[@IanP1963]

Which man?

[@midlandfox2954]

@@IanP1963 Mike from Bournemouth

[@jimmorrison3756]

Tighter than a camel's arse in a sandstorm!!

[@Yesman10]

Farce that wasn’t it??? Tighter than cramp

[@cartimandua_]

The amount of surveillance and cctv these days - plus touch DNA makes it more difficult for killers to get away with crimes than 1980s😅

[@mrkipling2201]

I remember the summer of 1990. It was hot from about May to the end of September that year. Really nice.

[@Lushgirl81]

I remember too. It was lovely.

[@mrkipling2201]

@@Lushgirl81 it certainly was. Probably the hottest summer I’d experienced up to that point. I remember that even towards the end of September it was still warm.

[@IanP1963]

@@mrkipling2201 1976 was the hottest summer for me !!!!

[@mrkipling2201]

@@IanP1963 my parents said exactly the same thing. Unfortunately I missed it by 3 years, being born in 1979!! 🤣🤣👍👍

[@dean7652]

Italia 90 so everyone was on a high

[@markdavidson9100]

They all live on in our hearts

[@gillpoynter2873]

I didn't realise how much serious crime there was here in the 90's

[@zeddeka]

There had been a rise in serious crime from the 1960s onwards and it really exploded in the 1980, and then had another rise in the early 90s as another recession kicked in. From about 2003 crime started to go down and down - we actually now have the lowest levels of crime in history.

[@davidsimpson8192]

Such a bad year for the solving of these awful cases.. only 3 out of 13 resolved.. so many families left with no answers..plus some really bad people out there without any consequence ..just so tragic

[@davidsimpson8192]

@@nickprince9881 Has there been a recent development then ?

[@nickprince9881]

@@davidsimpson8192 I am sorry. I was getting confused with another case. Sorry

[@davidsimpson8192]

@@nickprince9881 No worries 👍.. an awful pity though.. so many people without answers, justice or any sense of peace ..

[@nickprince9881]

@@davidsimpson8192 out of interest Mollie Westbrooke covered Ann Heron on her Channel a few weeks ago. Here is the link If you are not a subscriber to her kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnOxe6GFmtigjrs

[@IanP1963]

I note the pub in the Murray Erskine case became residential in 1991. Also looks like the property where he lived is one whole property today and doesn't have the basement as separate living accomodation. How times change!

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

One thing that people pick up on from these old Crimewatch episodes is how you could smoke anywhere you wanted. I would also point out that people drank a hell of a lot more, there were more pubs and going to the pub was more of a thing in general

[@Jmjdit]

Relevance??

[@noongourfain]

@@MosesDeLaRoses Yup. Now, even if you smoke out on the street, these days, people give the evil eye and cough at you. The only objection I have to smoking in the street? Please don't light up when walking up the stairs of the tube/subway And for god's sake don't litter. How hard is it to pinch off the ash and then put the filter in a trash can?

[@olly30]

Police didnt do so well in 1990,. Scary how many stay unsloved.

[@niall653]

I thought that but DNA was in its infancy too at the time

[@olly30]

@@niall653 Thank god for DNA then, I also do not think so many go unsloved as so many ways of tracking and with cameras on phones and CCTV it is difficult to do many of these now

[@olly30]

But still, you wonder what use having a police force was lol

[@oliprj8676]

@@olly30 they don't exactly bust a gut when it comes to solving prostitution or homosexual murders. Or at least they never used to

[@Kill--alllll---IDF]

Somewhat true !!!

[@McIntyreBible]

2:48, Lawrence was a good son; he gave his mom spending money!

[@some.random.baldie2111]

Carmel Gamble - it just seems a random and very twisted killing. The woman didn't really socialise much, but who was that man she was seen in the electrical store with? Was it a neighbour, someone she may have attended a therapy session with? Furthermore, why did he move away when the shop assistant came out? Was he a known thief? Did he think Carmel had money, "used" her and went to her house to kill her and steal from her? She was obviously a vulnerable and lonely lady, but what was the motive? It just seems odd. I'd love to know who the random in the telephone box was (I do believe someone pretended to be her and stole her coat before she died) and the guy with a carrier bag in the early hours of the morning. I just feel for her and I bet her husband wished he was there that weekend as this could have been prevented. Keith Burgess - I think the guy with the blue bobble hat killed him. It was either a scorned ex-lover who wasn't "out" (remember being gay had stigma in this era) or someone he befriended who became obsessed. The stolen photoalbum was either pictures of the bobble hat guy and Keith and the evidence probably got destroyed and burned. As for the filofax - other than family members, friends etc - what used would that be? Surely if you had a horrible phonecall or letter from someone saying "I killed x" you'd be on the cops like a shot. Betty seemed lovely if a bit nosy, but a shame she didn't hang around longer to stop what happened or even Janet ran down to raise the alarm. As a side note, "Betty's flat" was the then home of a friend of a former associate of mine. She got a handsome sum of money for the reconstruction. Same associate had her house used for an episode of Casualty in Bristol during the early years. She used the money to buy baby stuff and a cot for her first child! Sadly, I can't see either being solved anytime soon. If the killers are alive, I hope they are suffering and realise what pain they've inflicted on the families and friends of Carmel and Keith. If they are dead, I hope they suffered.

[@wearecity]

One thing I don't think they picked up on, but the blue and white hat in Bristol, means they are highly likely to have been a Bristol Rovers fan. As for Keith, he would have been sacked eventually for drinking before work. I work for the railway and it became a sackable offence in the early 90's to come to work, with alcohol in your blood stream. Carmel, very sad, highly likely an opportunist crime from someone who knew her in some way. Thinking she would have money and was alone in the house and as she was so underweight, would have provided no resistance.

[@some.random.baldie2111]

@@wearecity You'd be surprised thinking if Rovers were playing that weekend at home, wouldn't they have liased with fans or the club if they noticed this man attend. Yeah, I thought that but just assumed it was different rules in 1989. It's not professional isn't it? It's far from a sexual liaison as Mr Burgess was in a rush to head to work. I do think it was a scorned ex or someone whom got obsessed with him and went too far. It was the way he was presenting himself before he killed Keith as well. Hiding his face and looking uneasy. Carmel, I do believe the same as you. Seemed as if she was taken advantage of by an opportunitist whom thought she was rich and killed a vulnerable and very ill woman.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

25 years after Carmel was murdered, an 82 year old man named Dennis Plater was stabbed to death by his former gardener, a 48 year old man called David Hall. Dennis Plater's house is practically next door to the cottage Carmel was staying in when she was murdered. I don't believe that's any coincidence.

[@IanP1963]

I note it's 30 years now since Lee's tragic death she'd have been 73 yrs old now. A very mysterious & sad case indeed. I wonder if it will ever be solved?

[@mrkipling2201]

Weird. Very, very weird case.

[@oliprj8676]

I doubt it now. Seems like an organised hit so it was probably covered up thoroughly

[@earth0128]

Calculated crime

[@joshuaedwards4536]

​@@oliprj8676i think they had her assassinated, probably to stop her from talking, and revealing many of her clients, people in top positions such as politicians etc, just a theory....

[@IanP1963]

The Lee Parsons murder seems so OTT, ruthless and cruel, just so unbelievable really how anyone can do such a nasty crime - may she RIP !!!!

[@mrkipling2201]

Ian Payne also a very strange case. I agree with your description of the case as well. In fact I would say it’s as weird as anything, going by the reconstruction.

[@IanP1963]

@@mrkipling2201 What's your view then ?

[@oliprj8676]

I bet she was having an affair with a gangster and threatened to tell his wife..

[@byronwelch1288]

​@oliprj8676 When she said to her bf on the phone, she had something to tell him and it was good. What's all that about?

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

Murray Erskine case would have been solved in no time in this day and age. Bearded chap would have been caught on CCTV

[@oliprj8676]

Definitely. Plus it's a murder of a gay man and the police in those days didn't exactly bust a gut to solve them

[@Lushgirl81]

So many unsolved cases. 😢

[@Lushgirl81]

@Tabula Rasa thank you 😊

[@pauljosham9137]

The Asian bloke playing surinder gill was in coronation Street he played Jimi mistrys dad in the show

[@IanP1963]

Karen Price case was tragic indeed, very sad !!!!

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

At least the got him. Hope he is still in jail. Alan something. I think he got thirty years, but might be out now.

[@terryyakamoto3488]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 Charlton maintained his innocence and was therefore denied the possibility of release. If he had admitted it he would have been out years ago. He eventually died in prison. South wales police were thoroughly corrupt and numerous wrongful convictions were later overturned, most notably the Cardiff 5

[@RedheadLondon]

@@terryyakamoto3488 So do you think he did NOT do it?

[@terryyakamoto3488]

@@RedheadLondon Obviously I wasn't at the trial and don't have an in depth understanding of the evidence. But, remaining and dying in prison when all he had to do was accept guilt and get out after 15 years or so, strongly suggests the mindset of a man who was not prepared to admit to something he HADN'T done. South Wales police fitted up numerous people, here is one of the most egregious cases en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_White

[@151mattwilson]

Sew & So is still there in Stroud, according to Google Street view

[@mrkipling2201]

Very strange case. Quite a sad life that Carmel led it would seem. No clear motive for her murder by the looks of it.

[@sulasmith3352]

@@mrkipling2201 I thought it was ‘So & So’ lol

[@mrkipling2201]

@@sulasmith3352 lol 😂

[@johnniethepom7545]

​@@sulasmith3352 It's obviously a play on words . I once knew a lady who attended an afternoon handicraft club called ' Bitch and Stitch ' , but that's just Aussie humour for you .

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

Strange coincidence, first I've heard of Ann Herons case and Channel 5 are doing a documentary about her

[@dean7652]

Read a lot of speculation it’s her husband and police aren’t looking for anyone else.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

@@dean7652 Indeed. Surprising that it's never gone to court

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@dean7652 Not enough evidence to convict him.

[@noongourfain]

@@dean7652 Ann Heron's husband did not kill her. It was "the man speeding away in a blue car". Micheal Benson. He is now deceased. But at the time was most likely a police informant, the type of criminal who probably had dirt on some higher up cops. Career criminal, in and out of jail, knife freak, & adrenaline junkie. It was a crime of opportunity. Ann would always sunbath at the back of the house, out of view from the road. That very hot day, a farmer was plowing and it was dusty at the back of the house.

[@zeddeka]

​@@noongourfainthe Michael Benson stuff is bollocks - Durham police have confirmed that they're as sure they can be that he was living abroad.

[@louisakeen9316]

Fascinating - thanks for uploading. And thanks for keeping the videotapes for so long! Strange to hear gay people spoken about in that way - 30 years ago must be longer than it feels.

[@privatelyprivate3285]

I lived through the 90s and I’m often shocked at what I don’t even remember noticing back then that would rightfully burn my ears off these days… Not to mention my brains exploding from how some egregious practices, such as an employer openly making a job contingent on Cheers’ Rebecca dating/sleeping with him, were so mundane that it was the episode’s mere SITuation, while it was Rebecca’s _”shallowness of not finding him physically attractive enough to follow through”_ being under indictment that was played for COMedic fodder 🤯 Despite indeed finding Sam’s constant workplace come-ons as humorously pathetic back then as they are objectionable now, I genuinely thought NOTHING of this utterly cockeyed premise at the time. No one did.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

The Carmel Gamble case is utterly baffling. Can't find anything on her apart from what was revealed on Crimewatch

[@BlytheWorld1972]

So sad that case .. i find it odd no family member talking about her or the husband just some doctor that knew of her this case is horrific all of them are lets be honest no one should be murdered. this case though is so sad she was lonely and ill yet battered to death then set on fire :( it must have been someone she knew ?

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

@@BlytheWorld1972 Agreed. I know her and her husband didn't have any children, but I can't seem to find any record of her husband's name. According to Unsolved Murders UK he was a composer, tried googling for some results that way but nothing. Presuming he's roughly the same age as Carmel he'd be pushing 80 years old now. There are quite a few Gambles living in Stroud, surely at least a couple of them would be related to him with it being a pretty small town

[@dean7652]

Read something about a killer called Christopher Gore being a possible suspect

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

@@BlytheWorld1972 Aaaaah, silly me. Just rewatched her case and her husband's name is/was David. David Gamble. That does narrow things down a lot

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

I can't help but think that back in the late 80s/early 90s the police were a lot keener on catching people who had killed yuppies/professional types. Gay men, prostitutes and pensioners tended to go unsolved. Very sad

[@CARLIN4737]

The amount of crimes that must have been lost and evidence never to be found in scrap yards mainly in South London where criminality is actually passed down from father to son.

[@DeeDerry]

And waste management companies 💯 I've heard some stories 😳

[@zeddeka]

Interesting that Jimmy Saville spent some time working in the scrap business too. It had a terrible reputation for so many years.

[@CARLIN4737]

It still has@@zeddeka

[@Freshy009]

The sighting of Surinder Gill at Comet must have been a mistake or a lie. If I were to guess, I'd say he had some shady business dealings. I feel sorry for his family and daughter. To think she's probably in her 30's now and would have never recovered from losing her father.

[@Lushgirl81]

I agree. It couldn’t have been him in Comet. Not on that day anyway.

[@joshuaedwards4536]

None of it really seems to make any sense, he's hijacked during the daytime, kidnapped for hours, turns up at a comet shop in the evening, to discuss buying a new phone, disappears again without informing his family of his whereabouts, and is then found stabbed to death the following morning, shady dealings to do with his insurance broker business, maybe, but I think there's a lot more to it, and the case needs reopening and re-investigating, hopefully justice can be truly gained for his family one forthcoming day....

[@wearecity]

@@joshuaedwards4536 In case you never saw it, but in a later program, they said the Comet guy was mistaken about the date. So basically he was abducted and then after sometime murdered and didn't speak to anyone in between.

[@joshuaedwards4536]

​​@@wearecityno i didnt see that update at all, the only update i remember was that it was confirmed 4 men were sat waiting in a car, along that street where he was overpowered and abducted, i assume was either the week or month after it was 1st broadcasted, i did read in one article that his death may have had something to do with the "holy smokes" gang, could be just speculation, but also maybe another lead into this mysterious unnecessary death....

[@tristanmorgan852]

I wander about all the murders were the bodies are hidden better witch is probably a lot. We probably don't know the half of it all

[@IanP1963]

If Keith Burgess was in Marble Arch area of London on 15th December having lunch with somebody, then he couldn't have been that sick, yet he didn't go back to work until the Sunday (18th), very odd🤔

[@IanP1963]

17th sorry !!

[@michaelord988]

I wondered that too…

[@billericaydickie]

@@IanP1963 If he's traversing the country from Cornwall to Newcastle going to pubs and clubs I can imagine he probably took a lot of sick leave!

[@noongourfain]

Two BR steward's murders reconstructed on Crimewatch. Both from Bristol. Keith Burgess in 1990 Mark Yendell in 1984. Totally unrelated coincidence.

[@daveb6075]

What a way to start a weekend 😉🙏🏼

[@CARLIN4737]

midweek binge watch?

[@Lushgirl81]

I wonder if they checked the hire car, the cheques and the card for fingerprints in the Murray Erskine case? I guess they did and found nothing.

[@IanP1963]

What's your take on this case - a very mysterious one indeed !!!!

[@Lushgirl81]

@@IanP1963 not sure to be honest. Perhaps it was a sex game gone wrong.

[@IanP1963]

@@Lushgirl81 Yep - food for thought !!!!

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

A lack of CCTV is the reason the Erskine murder was never solved. The killer was pretty brazen about using his cheque card and hiring the car

[@Lushgirl81]

@@MosesDeLaRoses he definitely was! And the fact that no-one knew this Rhodesian chap’s name is another factor. None of Erskine’s friends had met him.

[@aquienpuedaimportar3028]

If I'd been a bit older I'd probably have had a major crush on Sue Cook.

[@IanP1963]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ20gWmPf66afqs - Sue Cook at 71

[@daniellebishop5599]

Them e-fits will give me nightmares i wont sleep well

[@memoir4you]

Poor Murray, killed in December but not discovered until March. How horrible . They dont actually say how he was killed, i imagine by s&m by the Rhodesian?

[@niall653]

These 80s/90s reconstructions make me wonder how of the unsolved murders are gang related. The first two definitely are

[@RetroPixels]

yeah if not gang related then certainly underworld connections

[@leval1000]

Definitely. Especially since they were shot and guns were hard to get back then.

[@infinitesimotel]

indeed very few occasions people get killed for "no reason", there is always some latent cause hidden for good reason.

[@elliotsnook7092]

The reconstructions only ever have time to show very brief details of their lives, and there's probably always stuff their family doesn't want broadcast on TV or didn't even know about themselves. In the '80s and '90s there were huge issues with gang violence in the major cities and I agree that a lot of these unsolved murders are probably tangentially related to that.

[@infinitesimotel]

@Profit Tracker Odd indeed, the only thing that makes sense would be police involvement. It's not as if that has NEVER happened before. If "they" want to find you they will find you, so I can suppose that it went to some official doorsteps somehow and had to destroy evidence and leave a big blank. When logic fails it is almost certainly something corrupt How that would be one can only guess. Innocence is beguiling, and what *seems* is not always what *is* .

[@terrytowelling1807]

1:50:58 There were loads of cartoon characters running around murdering people in the 80's and 90's. Dangerous times

[@elizabethcleland6267]

poor family RIP may they be caught

[@jonasgrumby3378]

WHICH family?

[@shapiro9640]

Shocking and disgusting that these heinous crimes are usually committed by men who have previous history of being dangerous and sexually deviant, the justice system desperately needs a correction order...

[@MrAshleywilkinson]

So much killing what a waste of time and life

[@IanP1963]

I agree - it achieves absolutely nothing only hurt and devastation !!!!

[@stefangaye]

The music to crime watch us to scare me. When I was younger.. like the ten o'clock news that music scared me to...

[@byronwelch1288]

What about 999 with Michael Burke?

[@CatLowe50]

Love the full episodes but really really appreciate these compilations Retropixels! Any chance you could make a compilation of cases which don't fit into the raids/robberies/murders categories sometime please?

[@RetroPixels]

That could be done, have got plenty of compilations ready for upload. so will create some different ones too

[@CatLowe50]

Awesome, thank you! Can't wait for future uploads. :)

[@RetroPixels]

is there any cases you would like us to feature?

[@CatLowe50]

Any full reconstructions (and perhaps extended incident desk cases, though I know you already do ID compilations) which haven't already been uploaded really! I couldn't see the two women bogus social security officials in the 1986 raids/robberies/thefts description but I might have missed it! The little boy who was abducted and taken to Peterborough or somewhere then released, the Notting Hill attacks, ones like that. Thank you so much.

[@RetroPixels]

yeah that can be done :)

[@Lushgirl81]

The Lee Parsons murder was particularly nasty.

[@Nixter1974007]

Yeah a shocking case. Has that ever been solved?

[@Lushgirl81]

@@Nixter1974007 not that I know of.

[@Nixter1974007]

@@Lushgirl81 unreal that. Must be loads of unsolved murders out there. And loads of killers walking about among us.

[@IanP1963]

@@Nixter1974007 No apparently

[@IanP1963]

whatreallyhappeneduk.wordpress.com/2020/04/25/the-murder-of-patrica-parsons-the-epping-execution/ - this is interesting!

[@Wadworth6XLad]

I hope the police thoroughly investigated why someone cruelly convinced Paul Stevens they were going to offer him a job just to “wind him up.” That doesn’t seem like something you’d do to someone unless you had a pretty unhealthy dislike for them. Dislike enough to kill them? Perhaps not, but it definitely begs further questions.

[@Lushgirl81]

Quite a few clues in the Laurence Winstanley case but still unsolved.

[@IanP1963]

Where ? I would say to little clues🙄

[@Lushgirl81]

@@IanP1963 I thought there was a few, the pick axe, the stuff that tied him up, the mysterious Mr Burrows. X

[@jimmorrison3756]

@@Lushgirl81 Hi Vivy, You're beautiful 🤗

[@Lushgirl81]

@@jimmorrison3756 thank you. 😊

[@IanP1963]

@@Lushgirl81 Yes indeed - but still unsolved, very odd !!!!

[@jimmorrison3756]

Lawrence Winstanley's murder is very strange and extremely sad too. Poor young fella shot and burned to death then sunk into a reservoir. His death is so senseless too his car was definitely used in the murder Hence why it was scrapped. Seems a bit strange how police never found anything DNA in the car i know DNA was in it's infancy back then but surely they must not have searched the car enough?? Seeing Lawrence with his mother was sad as it was the last time she would see Lawrence alive again. Hopefully oneday justice for Lawrence and his family can be done. RIP Lawrence Winstanley🙏.

[@IanP1963]

Weird there's no link to anything to do with his murder after 30plus yrs...🤦

[@Lushgirl81]

I’m not sure if it was dusted for fingerprints either.

[@IanP1963]

@@Lushgirl81 What makes you think that - the cops apparently came to the murder scene !!!!!

[@Lushgirl81]

@@IanP1963 I meant his car that was scrapped. It’s all very mysterious though.

[@IanP1963]

@@Lushgirl81 That wasn't mentioned on the CW vid - interesting !!!!

[@jackyblue67same10]

RIP Mr. David

[@mrkipling2201]

Mrs Chester knew something dodgy was going on on the night of Ricky Hayward’s murder. She knew that the noises were gunfire and that red car was out of the ordinary. Yet her husband/brother didn’t want to know. I reckon he knew something dodgy was going on as well but didn’t want to get involved.

[@joshuaedwards4536]

I tried googling about the case, and apparently he was a well known drug dealer at the time, and that his shop was just a front for all the shady dealings he was involved with, obviously some of the info could just be speculation, but I'm very sure there's a lot more to this case, and that it should be reinvestigated, maybe Mr Chester knew what type of person Ricky Haywood really was, and took a disliking to him, but she was definitely vigilant, as you said, and knew something was out of the ordinary....

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@joshuaedwards4536 It said he had extensive security but he got home and the killers were already inside! So much for his security.

[@joshuaedwards4536]

@treasurehunteruk9718 so it wasn't that person outside, who was seen acting suspiciously then, and carrying something under his jacket, or so crimewatch reported?

[@joshuaedwards4536]

I wonder if that "fat bald man" who was seen arguing with Ricky in his shop, as well as the person seen loitering outside, were all part of it, or just a red herring?

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@joshuaedwards4536 I thought the vid said they were waiting for him when he arrived home, and the two men running away in the car seen by Mrs Chester were AFTER the murder had been done.

[@IanP1963]

Church in Keith Burgess reconstruction should show it's Christmas which it forgot to do l feel, no Christmas 🎄 at all🤔

[@markdavidson9100]

Well spotted, no nativity decorations either, the only Christmas related thing is the gentleman’s carol singer hat

[@IanP1963]

@@markdavidson9100 👍😊

[@IanP1963]

@@markdavidson9100 l wonder if they named anything after him in the church, or whether he was yet another forgotten murder victim🙄😔

[@markdavidson9100]

@@IanP1963 he’s never forgotten, as I said in previous comment ‘they all live on in our hearts’.

[@markdavidson9100]

@@IanP1963 When it was first shown I was 12, March Crimewatch 1990 had been recorded by my mother…Carmel’s photo did scare me a bit

[@mrkipling2201]

Wasn’t the David Burkitt case featured on a Crimewatch file episode??

[@Lushgirl81]

Murder without motive I think.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

I saw Dr Birkett in 1979 at Hartlepool General Hospital.

[@oliprj8676]

Yep. He was killed by some prat that had a tattoo on his cheek

[@09weenic]

@@oliprj8676his name was Reginald Wilson - a total nutter

[@twinklesuperpalm]

Was the first and second case solved?

[@RetroPixels]

unsolved and unsolved

[@joannehowe7513]

Colette Aram was the 1st and that was solved, I don’t know the second.

[@Wadworth6XLad]

I don’t trust the version of events portrayed in the Surinder Gill reconstruction. Wouldn’t be the first time a CW reconstruction subsequently turned out to be inaccurate. Kidnapped? I think not. By his own admission, his phone was having problems with interference. This is probably what his business associate heard that afternoon. Even fancy mobile phones were pieces of sheet in those days. People will say how do you explain the crash helmet in his car and not picking up his daughter then? Could have been him in the crash helmet and like a lot of these murder victims it’s possibly he had a life outside of what was commonly known about him.

[@theunemployedtrucker]

What that copper said on crimewatch about the first murder makes no sense, how do they know Lawrence had a secret life even though they know nothing about it. So how the hell did they come to the conclusion he had a secret life in the first place.

[@TheLala114]

The case of the 15 year old skeleton, I’m thinking Peter Tobin 🤔

[@cris182]

The welsh girl? Was already solved

[@zeddeka]

The case was solved years ago. Like so many kids who disappear from care homes, she fell into prostitution. She was murdered by the people who were "pimping" her out.

[@pusscat1147]

Who murdered her?

[@oliprj8676]

​​@pusscat1147 some nasty prick named Alan Charlton

[@johnniethepom7545]

Sarinda Gill , £5,000 reward . His family must have been devastated . I used to carry 10 k running money in my pocket back then ! Two marriages and two divorces , means I haven't got a pot . . . now .

[@ramatgan1]

So many unsolved cases in this programme. Seems like without CCTV, DNA or Mobile Data the police are useless.

[@cartimandua_]

My family is at the centre of my life - they're my whole life!! What an odd thing to say!

[@sdeee3842]

1:17:19 did they find Wayne’s killer?

[@CARLIN4737]

Debbie massage girl was 43? thats pretty tidy for 43.

[@CARLIN4737]

cracking episode.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

A lot of unsolved in this one.

[@MrAshleywilkinson]

Have any of these been solved do we know?

[@RetroPixels]

If you go through the list on the video info we have listed those that we know have been solved

[@davidrees5030]

Yes the body of the girl in Cardiff has been solved. It turned out that a pervert who liked young girls got angry because she wouldn't do what he wanted and strangled her to death and buried her in the garden. It was the carpet he buried her in that really helped convict him.

[@unfinishedsympathy245]

Thanks 😉👍🏾

[@CARLIN4737]

Terrible crimes. sleep tight?

[@pusscat1147]

Carmel might have had aspergers. Slimming to fit in but not quite managing it.

[@petermurphy6780]

The Rhodesian

[@johnandrews8590]

Back when the police did their jobs properly and weren't WOKE.

[@stephenbain389]

And yet the majority of these cases were never solved. What are you talking about?

[@Xxxxxx19-p1c]

I love the Hollies.

[@johnsmith-rs2vk]

1981 - A terrible time .

[@twinkle3026]

"Oh look!!! That bundle in the river, looks like it could be a dead body, shall we call the police"??? "Er, NO" ..... Unreal!!! (The poor Murray Erskine, reconstruction.)

[@IanP1963]

A very mysterious case🤔

[@IanP1963]

What's your take on poor Murray ?

[@truecrime_and_everything_else]

The political incorrectness cracks me up" he was very effeminate"" lol

[@infinitesimotel]

It hadn't rotted people's minds so much back then.

[@mattwhitley8781]

People weren't such pussies looking for any excuse to take offence back then.

[@almadavis8274]

It's not politically correct NOT to speak like a thug/gangster. This is a TV program not your neighborhood bar or the corner you hang out on.

[@mattwhitley8781]

@@almadavis8274 what exactly are you getting at?

[@infinitesimotel]

@@almadavis8274 too many negatives in one sentence; "Its politically correct to speak like a thug/gangster" would have been much better and more clearer.

[@soulbrother61]

Evening all

[@IanP1963]

Dixon of Dock Green l presume?

[@clioflano421]

35.09 reminds me of the dodgy guy sitting on the green electricity steel box.

[@ThatMattOne]

How many unsolved in 1990?! Awful.

[@RetroPixels]

too many

[@oliprj8676]

1990 was a year of corruption. Just look at the way the Tories ousted Maggie

[@IanP1963]

@@oliprj8676 Notice the CW 1991 years seemed majority unsolved too !!!!

[@IanP1963]

Too many it seems !!!!

[@Bad_Gnasher]

54:32 Ian Murray Erskine

[@DougieNelson82]

STEEEEEEVE !!!!!! where u been legend

[@spencerstewart8]

1.47.40 2 Pints of Uphill Gardeners Please

[@jimmorrison3756]

You bullied at school was you. Showing your age with such a vile comment there.

[@jackyblue67same10]

That is so funny the name of the road that man David lived by Corn Field Rd. I live rite by a road with the same name lol .

[@Yesman10]

Gut feel says Keith’s murderer was a married man.

[@pusscat1147]

19:34 A Fred West job? Him and his wife used to take in children's home runaways

[@oliprj8676]

No

[@spamskanal]

err nice looking actor Mr. Gill...just saying!

[@jackyblue67same10]

Sure is I love those British men that accent really gets me going lolol

[@habibrohman-cq1us]

Crimes get worser good thing Is since then technology has got better.

[@ckcapone2269]

The naughties were naughty... blame bttf