Return to Eden: The End of an Era

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

If this was adapted into an animated movie Id wstch the hell out of it. Books like that are such an untouched goldmine

[@CiaranEldrett-vp8yz]

So true

[@antigrav6004]

Make it like Primal and I'm on board

[@Gruesome-Twosum]

You missed the window. People are starting to realize that there was hidden truth being placed in movies, and they had to stop all of that.

[@pastelpurpledeathbed]

@@Gruesome-Twosumme when im schizophrenic

[@ChrissieBear]

This reminds of the story of Lautaro of the Mapuche. He was a dutiful servant of the Spanish since childhood and then took all he learned back to his people and used it to fight the Spanish.

[@lonelystrategos]

There's also Arminius, the son of a Germanic tribal leader who was raised as a Roman hostage and then betrayed the Romans at the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.

[@SeanMendicino-n3d]

And we still put his head on pike!

[@wastelandvagrant251]

Pedro De Valdivia adopted him and educated him on Spanish strategy, and he used that to fight against them when he came of age.

[@cegesh1459]

​​@@lonelystrategos Yeah.... but... Arminus was murdered since he wanted to become king of multiple tribes, or so the other tribes claimed. So I woukd arguee, he didn't have the same mindeset, simply the opportunity.

[@xiiir838]

Don't forget to mention that he and he's warriors sIa**ugh†**ed all the natives that refused to fight against the Spanish.

[@fredg.sanford634]

I LOVED this series. If they made either an animated or even a live-action version of these books, I could die a happy man after seeing it...

[@DinoDiego16]

Same! Hell, I'd even take a graphic novel remake of it at this point cuz I would definitely appreciate more visual artwork of the world of West of Eden itself

[@villager736]

The Dawn of the Endless Night was just depressing. They knew they were doomed and could do nothing about it.

[@lazyquahog9385]

To me, the Yilanè are like a mix of Tool Breeders and Saurosapiens from All Tomorrows.

[@Fuckalope-cm5dk]

Seemingly yes

[@SpaceBoyDigital]

Youre wrong but alright

[@danirizary6926]

I have been hoping for a Dino Diego video recently. I really appreciate the work you do. My son is obsessed with flightless birds, i explained to him that i was the same at his age, but for me it was dinosaurs. He asked if i still liked dinos. I said "not really, but I still like the idea of liking dinosaurs" I showed him one of your videos to show that it's totes cool for adults to be into dinosaurs (or penguins), and that your followers are proof it's a widely shared feeling.

[@tyrlant2189]

Idk, it depends, but adults who are into dinosaurs tend to be autistic

[@venga3]

Weird. I liked them then and I like them now. Even if I'm not obsessed about them anymore. Why wouldn't you like them??

[@tyrlant2189]

@@danirizary6926 idk, adults who are way into dinosaurs (unless they are paleontologists) are kinda ridiculed if they do more then just eatch videos/read about them. There was a guy who always talked about "dinos" at my first job and he was embarrassing af. You unironically say "totes" though, so I'm guessing you are gonna day something like "no we need to tolerate/permit any weird behavior, enforcing social norms = you are a nazi"

[@minnow1337]

⁠@@tyrlant2189you are the weirdo for caring so much

[@h.w.4482]

the story of the hyperboreans vs the lizard men lmao

[@justadummy8076]

I know how the story ends, the Hyperboreans force the Lizardmen underground, the Hyperboreans then conquer Antarctica & eventually ascend to a higher plane, and the other primitive hominids evolve into Homo sapiens

[@nickzheleznyak8613]

Русы против ящеров вы хотели сказать?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Reminds me of an old game for the SNES named EVO: Search for Eden. It wasn't specifically about dinosaurs but it was an action RPG where you evolved throughout time from a fish to a caveman with quite a few levels where you got to play as dinosaurs. Favorite part is how you could chose how you evolved so you could chose to be a carnivore or herbivore or two feet or four. It's a unique game and id recommend it to anyone who likes history or dinos.

[@Superbuchi]

If you like EVO, you should look up the game’s MS-DOS prequel. The plot of that game reminds me of this.

[@UlyssesSB]

Like the Spore game!

[@wyattrippy5939]

One of my favorite things about your content is how you have so much reverence and respect for the subject matter regardless of its actual quality. Also introducing people, like me, to paleo media they wouldn't have otherwise seen or heard of is great. Please keep it up

[@benjaminstorace6699]

Honestly the whingeing reviews criticizing Harrison's writing here come off as people who have no romance in their soul, and will therefore never understand the attraction of the "scientific romance"

[@davidparkin7287]

Beautiful Wayne Douglas Barlowe painting from the story too, nice one.

[@dareka9425]

Thanks for the video. I used to be a bookworm as a teenager in the 1990s and I've read the first book back then. Well...I tried to but I lost interest a quarter of the way. Honestly, however, I like the small scale ending of the whole story with everyone going back to their respective corner of the world. Kerrick is just another survivor in a harsh world and not some super hero or the chosen one destined to save his whole race from a technologically superior invaders. The book ending with him as an old man thinking about the past and wondering what he could've done to ensure a more secure future for both of their species feels so human.

[@mysteryman7570]

I want to thank you for releasing this video. I found this series through your videos on the first two books and I was immediately hooked. I finished all three and waited for the third video. I’m about to leave for basic training and seeing this video in my recommended felt like a great send off. So thank you for introducing me to this series.

[@fonztorres]

Yay! Thank you for covering these things so I don't have to and so I could listen to them while I'm supposed to be working.

[@Nosferate_086]

I just finished this series. I learned about it a couple years ago from your channel then finally bought the books a couple months ago and finally read them.

[@trufantom21]

This is my favorite trilogy from my teens. I still have the three books.

[@AClockworkWizard]

I read West of Eden when I was 12 and let's just say some of the scenes with the hot lizards there left an impact.

[@Jimmy2toes4u]

lol same….as a juvenile male it didn’t take much and I’d try to find the spicy scenes in books but this one was kinda confusing

[@Puidda]

just watched ur old dino dig vid from 2017 gave me lots of happiness i played it on my nintendo dsi lol its been 10 years since i played it, by far one of my fav games

[@Saatananumber1]

I have waited this for a long time.

[@ivanbro1208]

00:13 species*** not races. We are the human species, not the human race. “Race” is a word used to describe a species own variations… aka european race, asian race, american race, african race, oceanic race… which are a social construct used to conglomerate several ethnicities from a geographical area that share manny similarities compared to other ethnicities from a different geographical area, example - angolans and kenyans have more in common with each other then individually with japanese and korean, the latter ones also have more in common with each other than with the former ones.

[@parkerschwingbonnett]

Thanks, Patrick star

[@doomerquiet1909]

We’ve been waiting for this!!!

[@NTJ1984]

I read West of Eden. I love that book. Never had the chance to read the other two.

[@jaggerbushOG]

New to this channel and so glad it found me!

[@Dark_Pragmatist_]

Argonian fever dream

[@Krondon-SSR]

Dreams of the sap

[@anti-mate407]

I just alrdy know this is gonna be fire

[@2FRESH-4U]

I love to imagine this is all real going on out there in space on one of the endless planets

[@_robustus_]

So the Tylosauria take the trouble to go back to water for millions of years and evolve their limbs into flippers to just do a 180 and for millions of years more and devolve their sh!t BACK into limbs…

[@gadunka888]

whales did it first

[@oddvar4578]

0:27 Tylersaurs???

[@TyrannochorusRex]

Closely related to the Moesosaurus

[@jrivxxi2947]

Tylosaurus

[@EXMachina.]

Tylersaurs1

[@neilz.]

You don't know Tyler?

[@infinityzer054]

“Tyler”

[@lonlylucario5324]

YEAH RETURN TO EDEN! LETS FREAKING GO!

[@ShadeMeadows]

Beautiful~

[@catsareamazing3616]

Yesssss newww video

[@ShiniesoftheGanders]

Will you cover the Cretaceous comic by any chance?

[@DinoDiego16]

Never heard of it. I'll look into it and consider adding it to the list

[@Morrison-saber-tooth]

​​@@DinoDiego16its comic by Tadd Galusha, you can watch audio comic version by beto films on youtube! Wtf why my comment is avaible only to see in newest one!!???

[@DinoDiego16]

​@@Morrison-saber-tooth Ah, I see! In that case, I have heard of it and even have the comic somewhere. I've been meaning to cover it. I might try to one of these days

[@ShiniesoftheGanders]

​@@DinoDiego16 Awesome, looking forward for when that happens!

[@MyNegaJay]

The thumbnail is from a different series, Dinosaur Planet. I think the one used here is from the fifth book, Dinosaur Empire. Pretty decent, especially the third and fourth book, albeit the shorter ones in the series. It's adapted from a Ray Bradbury short story, A Sound of Thunder.

[@DinoDiego16]

It is, but this image also showed up in The Ultimate Dinosaur next to the short story I cover in this video

[@Duzon1602]

humans killed many mammoths with spears, but dinosaurs are too much for them?! f off... this is one of several exemples of silly misconceptions on this trilogy. I still liked a lot of it though

[@takenname8053]

SUPER NICE So ends the Eden video trilogy...

[@CoperliteConsumer]

I fell asleep and woke up half way through and it's literally like your speaking a foreign language 😂

[@lankey6969]

I actually have all three of these.

[@gabbrooh9126]

We're so back

[@dexterd02]

Thank youuuuuu!!!!

[@thescorchingpteranodon7986]

Ehy Diego when you'll talk about Project Tepui?

[@DinoDiego16]

I have no plans to talk about it anytime soon. I'd like to try to get my hands on the book first. From there, we'll see how things go

[@necrogenisis]

@@DinoDiego16 It's a nice coffee table/art book, but I wouldn't say there's much to cover. Certainly not much in the way of spec evo imo.

[@DinoDiego16]

​@@necrogenisisGood art still deserves to have some spotlight on it

[@necrogenisis]

@@DinoDiego16 True, true. That reminds me, I should get the Novosaur books. Check them out as well, if you haven't done so already :)

[@40king17hjf]

Yea this would be a greta movie . But we have to let 40k have the 5 years of cinema first

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Return to Eden: The End of an Era momentum 100

[@Jan-jc4rx]

Movies, series, games or anything would just sell like hotcakes

[@ruairimartin4240]

Ever thought of reading the pellucidar series?

[@ZoidbergCZ]

As I see it, "Dawn of the Endless Night" was kinda play on Harrison´s part. He is acknowledging that his original concept of inteligent dinosaurs versus developad huge mammals, including humans, was kinda silly on the scientifical ground so he makes more plausible version - Yilane dying in the age of the impact, leaving space for mammals.

[@joezar33]

No *Dinosaur and Cadillac* comic review ?

[@DinoDiego16]

Eventually I will

[@unicornep1818]

Great Video series. Any chance of a video on the appendix, the best part of the books. Pip pip

[@DinoDiego16]

I was thinking of maybe dedicating an entire video to it in the future. Definitely something to keep in mind

[@thoth766]

Lizard men lore drop

[@ElianCastillo-wm8nb]

Hey Dino Diego if you were to make a sequel series to the Eden trilogy what would it be

[@dchambers1091]

Been waiting for this one!

[@jamesharvey2073]

It happened you made it 😢yesssssssssssssssss

[@smacdsmaccers]

I didn't even know there was a sequel

[@336-g9g]

Hey, where does the thumbnail come from? Looks super familiar.

[@DinoDiego16]

It's by Wayne Barlowe and it appeared in the book The Ultimate Dinosaur from 1992 alongside the short story that I talk about in the video

[@336-g9g]

@@DinoDiego16 thank you. If you mentioned this information in the video, sorry I did not catch it.

[@crowickedone4037]

A bit similar to a series of Japanese games by the title of both E.V.O Quest for Eden and E.V.O a 4.6 Billion Year Adventure. when it comes to the ideas of alternative evolution.

[@superiorcybergodzilla5670]

Very interesting

[@michaelbuono4007]

Now that Eden is done any plans for new projects

[@jjhon6354]

How are these not movies yet

[@taliesincoleman6569]

here's a request: could you please check out the SCOTT CIENCIN "Dinoverse" book series. I have a feeling you (and many of your audicen) will love it!

[@icarovieira5016]

Vayente reminds me of rings of power galadriel😂

[@thebosun181]

Great books!

[@MephistophelesReads]

0:37 so the live-action Mario?

[@itsafish4600]

sounds cool

[@zacharythomas8617]

Subbed.

[@Jennifur68]

Having never heard of these books before I was curious but honestly I guess you have to be a fan of the books because half of what is said is gibberish.

[@dagon99]

Nice

[@lloydtancred]

I read some of these books

[@denifnaf5874]

Still didn't take as long as valve to make the third episode😂 Edit: also i'm the 100th comment

[@denifnaf5874]

Dinodiego still released an episode 3 before valve

[@gknudson]

Is this what they based Turok on?

[@lordmortos979]

This was hard to get through. Definitely needed some background music. It was like a two hour long word salad. 😮‍💨

[@hiddenwoodsben]

so, tyranids?

[@josefroque5551]

13:20. bookmark

[@matthewfredericks25]

I'm pretty sure if humans still evolved we'd just kill the dinosaurs

[@azathothog]

Make this into a game please

[@steventalvinzvestal420]

I can make a new Eden.

[@Logan_93]

There are just too many made up names for things for me to keep up with this. Ill try again later.

[@A3319]

ah yes, generic evil lizard men

[@ConeEEEeEeEE]

the eden books are very morbid

[@thealienlife]

clicked off when i realized the dinosaurs wouldn't have survived the ice age...

[@SmallLotGardening]

Really cool story and a really good summary.

[@unmitigateddisaster3793]

Are you sure this series takes place in the equivalent of the modern era, aka late 20th century? Earth has been in a warming trend for the last ten thousand years and that shouldn't be something that's affected by there still being large Sauropods hanging around. The fact that the Climate is cooling to the point where Northern Africa is becoming too cold for exothermic life sounds like it's in the Younger Dryas or even earlier.

[@DinoDiego16]

That's what the descriptions of the book say. An alternate world isn't necessarily going to be one to one with the logic of our own. In the case of West of Eden, it looks like Harrison was taking elements of it and using it to make his own world

[@catsndogs98]

The dinosaurs cannot resist....chicken

[@Momma1luvu]

This video seems really good and interesting but I cannot get over his voice 😭😭. The way he drags out the last word of the sentence is infuriating. I’m sorry.

[@synivy4576]

The names are so similar to each other it literally made this so confusing to watch lol

[@tyrlant2189]

I read east of eden in jail, jail was fun, you literally just play cards and read books with blk ppl and eat bad food.

[@User-s7j5u]

Okay but why does it have Eden, a religous location, in its name? Does he explain this? Because if not this hasnt really captured my attention after 3 minutes :/

[@DinoDiego16]

There isn't an absolute meaning given for the title, but my guess is that since the Garden of Eden symbolizes a peaceful haven in religious text, that's exactly what the characters are trying to find in the story, whether it's a literal safe haven from their respective enemies or something that's more symbolic

[@culley8841]

This is just a R. E. Howard rip off.

[@canonbehenna612]

Well like west of Eden, sauria is soon coming to an end(not a suggestion to to do a video on it just referencing it) Ps.That book is dead and forgotten now no more mentions of it ever again for a long this goes on

[@DinoDiego16]

If your previous suggestions have shown anything, it's clear you're referencing it for a reason. I don't care if it's coming to an end and I don't care if West of Eden is a forgotten book to you. If you can't understand why I cover these things on this channel, you're clearly not a fan or have any respect for what I do

[@canonbehenna612]

@@DinoDiego16 then I never say kaimere or ever mention it never again for a long long time

[@dalekrenegade2596]

I don't know, I can see where the sexism critiques are coming from. The extremes between a very abusive matriarchal society and a flipside of a group incompetent females was rubbing me the wrong way as you were going over the summary. It may have been unintentional but still.

[@aleczitzelberger8123]

I feel like the purpose of the abusive matriarchy is meant to serve as an analog for real world patriarchy and sexism of the time. Notably the dinosaur males are portrayed as an analogy for subjugated human women

[@sakataginko9092]

@@aleczitzelberger8123Ngl that part where Nedaske killed the female babies gave a lot of “(people of the opposite sex) are trash” energy and I cannot blame him, nor the women (and also men) in our society who have gone through such abuse. I feel for them.

[@jeremymcclary3901]

I wonder...if I were to completely disassemble your dissertation with one of my own, that this book series is "nothing other than a "proto-femism " (4th gen) analysis of humanity"....would you accept that it would be just "another "analysis...but from another "perspective "....or just another hate driven attack on me??")

[@KiopysPlace]

Bro, who are you? I have never even heard you ass anywhere but here lmao.

[@gvhgnjhg1387]

What?

[@FromNothingICome]

Prove to me that the setup for the first book isn't a relatively accurate overview of prehistory. I'll wait... lol Seriously though, what if that's who's been piloting these "UFOs"...? 🤔 Hell, go look at what the Sumerians had to say about Dagon / Oannes. Part "fish" part "man," taught humans all kinds of useful stuff... IDK... could be fantastical nonsense... but the era of "prehistory" is so deep and dark, this planet might have produced highly intelligent life, (or parallel-evolved humanoids) a dozen different times, between 60 million years ago and the beginning of recorded history! Interesting to contemplate, at least...

[@MsBarbarette]

Vainte is such a girl boss. She doesn’t die when kicked out of a town because her goals of killing one person is so strong.

[@shrimpsaresearoaches777]

None of that nonsense happened

[@edtheangler4930]

No shite sherlock

[@DinoDiego16]

I'm pretty sure it did. I saw a Yilane just last week

[@giorgospapoutsakis5271]

"tell me you're dumb without telling me you're dumb"

[@kestreldomann2787]

So....we all agree Nadaske and Imehei were in love right?? 🏳️‍🌈

[@phoenixrq9139]

No, they're just followers of the Bro Code

[@akashsuresh1369]

No

[@liamc.h.2691]

“Those who cannot conceive of friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a friend.” - C.S. Lewis

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

No. Why the hell does everything in fiction have to qualify as a queer-ship?

[@beastyowo6229]

i agree with you 😔✌️

[@Lordzilla]

this is a horrible story

[@cosmicfool3334]

It would be more listenable if the setting didn't have all these strange fantasy names

[@99survivabilityratepandemi81]

cringe takes, you're the reason why we will only get marvel super hero entertainment for another decade.

[@KiopysPlace]

​@@99survivabilityratepandemi81 cringe take, you're the reason why fantasy and realism novels are dogshit with no creativity and actual plot behind them.

[@giorgospapoutsakis5271]

I require context for your statement. Did you watch all the previous videos covering the series including this one from start to finish and you still choose to comment that "it's a horrible story" ? I don't know man but you don't seem to know what can make a book game or movie bad

[@giorgospapoutsakis5271]

​@@cosmicfool3334it's a fictional language you get strange names all the time in books like this

[@donharris1923]

As a geologist and paleontologist, although not one who delves into dinosaurians per se, I must point out some of the glaring flaws in Harry Harrison’s ‘West of Eden’ series despite his efforts to consult various scientist in such fields. The first is that the Tylosaurus which he postulates was the basal species for the intelligent dinosaurs in his was an aquatic reptile of the genus of russellosaurine mosasaur. These creatures evolved from far smaller terrestrial but semi aquatic reptiles that eventually became completely aquatic. As there are no example of such a creature later returning to the land particularly after having lost nearly all of the skeletal and muscular structures needs for terrestrial locomotion this idea is extremely far fetched when Harrison made so much effort to acquire scientific information. Secondly, Harrison appears to willingly ignore the simple fact that dinosaurs existed on both continents of the western hemisphere but proceeds to act as if they did not. Having already set aside the end-Cretaceous mass extinction which caused the total demise of all non-avian dinosaur species he moves forward as if they never existed. Next, he makes the leap that despite the fact that the “parvorders Platyrrhini (New World monkeys) and Catarrhini (apes and Old-World monkeys) somewhere on the African continent” with the ancestral New World monkeys “conjectured to have dispersed to South America on a raft of vegetation across the Atlantic Ocean during the Eocene epoch, possibly via several intermediate now submerged islands” [Wikipedia] they still somehow followed the same evolutionary path that led to the great ape and hominids. This is widely speculative especially for an author who appears to have gone to significant lengths to develop a ‘scientific foundation’. I am not attempting to disparage the story narrative but merely pointing out various deficiencies in the ‘science’. In my opinion a far better candidate dinosaur genus would have been the Hadrosaurids with a smaller series impact at Chicxulub and other western hemisphere sites that exterminated the dinosaurs of North and South America. This would have left the extant mammalian species to repopulate those regions possibly evolving to ape-like creatures.

[@tamaradraconus]

In defense of Harrison's use of New World Primates to create his humanoids at the time he was writing most scientists believed the New World Primates had evolved independently from the Old World Monkeys from the North American Adapiformes. This was disproved by the early 90s but by then it was to late. He also knew that Tylosaurs were mosasaurian lizards and chose them on purpose as he wanted the Yilante to be cold blooded and the opposite of mammals in every way. Not the best choice in my opinion but it always tickled me how much the result looked like the original Sleestack in Land of the Lost - possibly also on purpose.

[@donharris1923]

@@tamaradraconus “In defense of Harrison's use of New World Primates…This was disproved by the early 90s but by then it was to late.” Thispoint can be granted yet that does not address the fact that he apparently willingly ignored the fact that it was then known, and to a far greater extent I might add, that dinosaurs did exist on the western continents. “He also knew that Tylosaurs were mosasaurian lizards and chose them on purpose as he wanted the Yilante to be cold blooded and the opposite of mammals in every way.” Again, this is the authors choice and his to make in a work of fiction. My point is that having exerted so much effort to consult with scientific figures his choice of an aquatic reptile to then return to a terrestrial mode of life when such has never been shown to have occurred or even to be possible simply flies in the face of such scientific endeavor. “Not the best choice in my opinion but it always tickled me how much the result looked like the original Sleestack in Land of the Lost - possibly also on purpose.” Possibly yet I still contend that almost any existing terrestrial species would have been a more reasonable choice if the idea was to create a scientifically plausible scenario. The family of raptors were believed to have been highly intelligent and very fearsome and there were various other omnivore species that possessed various attributes that could have provided a more reasonable evolutionary path than a mosasaur.

[@rukifellth2]

It is called "Suspension of Disbelief", or in other terms "It's just a story bro."

[@donharris1923]

@@rukifellth2 "in other terms "It's just a story bro."" Thank you for that update as I missed that entirely. What you appear not to understand is that there is also a thing called 'critical analysis' and pointing out areas where the overall created scenario have significant flaws.

[@canonbehenna612]

@@donharris1923 Argeed think the saurian sapiens should be descanted from troodons not mosasaurus

[@thatfigman3153]

a woman mad when you portray women being bad? Unheard of!

[@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307]

Gai fish