2017 Skoda Octavia Review - An Owner's Perspective

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RevAtlas

RevAtlas

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@shantanu080391
@shantanu080391 7 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest car review! Simple, beautifully shot & feels REAL! The last shot is just , EPIC!
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Shantanu Gupta thanks a lot dude :)
@subramanianmk7513
@subramanianmk7513 5 жыл бұрын
That’s a very informative review I took a test ride recently and fell in love It gave me 10.5 average in my test drive and had a great experience Booked it today
@hazolite
@hazolite 7 жыл бұрын
Wow man, you've shot this review brilliantly, camera work is fantastic, hats off!! You should make more videos out there. You have done excellent job than other professionals out there. Keep it up bro.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot buddy. Yes, that is the plan :) However, since we're new to the automotive scene, its a bit more difficult to gain access to events as well as cars. We will be bringing you more car videos soon so please do stay tuned for that. Please subscribe. Thanks for your support! Have a nice day
@hazolite
@hazolite 7 жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for your updates and videos, God bless. Also I've subscribed your channel.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
That's wonderful :) Thank you very much and God bless you too :D
@suryaa4596
@suryaa4596 3 жыл бұрын
Hii..whts the maximum mileage on highways you got..thnqu
@csanvi
@csanvi 7 жыл бұрын
good reviews Sandeep. And congrats for the 1.8TSI. Its one of the most elegant looking D seg sedans out there now.
@bhavyrahangdale2063
@bhavyrahangdale2063 3 жыл бұрын
1.8 tsi is gem of a engine 🤤❤️ and the tuning potential
@mohamedabrar2956
@mohamedabrar2956 6 жыл бұрын
hi,any review of the new digital instrument panel in the new octavia l&k?
@coachsaurav
@coachsaurav 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sandeep, really enjoyed your review and your experience with the car. I have a question for you and I hope you answer as I am unable to decide. Question- If I have an option to buy a new 1.5L DSG Kushaq VS a pre-owned 2018 Octavia TDI L&K for nearly the same price then which one would you recommend?
@Arun_BN
@Arun_BN 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant captures and edits..!! Great going Sandeep.. Looking forward to more..
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Arun Bhaskaran Nair thank you Arunetta :)
@nischalramesh9327
@nischalramesh9327 6 жыл бұрын
Bro what about the maintenance of the car can you help with this I’m being stopped just because of the after sales is not good as people say it
@fidelgeorge
@fidelgeorge 7 жыл бұрын
Wow! This version of Octavia's headlight looks better than the latest one.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Fidel George haha I agree. But will wait till I see them in person to pass final judgement
@arunr3702
@arunr3702 5 жыл бұрын
No
@rajarshichowdhury8137
@rajarshichowdhury8137 7 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to know service quality of Skoda service network in Bangalore. Also what about ground clearance. It has reduced from 2nd Gen which was Laura. Did you face difficulties to overcome deep potholes or steep speed breakers.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I am yet to send my car for servicing. However, we have a group of Octavia owners which includes owners who have driven the car for close to 100k kms too. Unanimously, they all have mentioned that Skoda has come a long way not just in terms of their attitude when selling but also in after sales support. They seem to have learnt from their mistakes and are now much better. Also recommended to get the extended warranty and service package when buying the car. As for speed breakers, I am surprised that the Octavia handles it much better than my previous Vento which used to constantly bang the rear portion when going over speed breakers of even normal height. Think the superior suspension setup is the reason why Octavia doesn't give in as much and impact onto the speed breakers. In 6 months of ownership, I've had it scrape a tad bit on a tall hump with full load and another abnormally large hump which was made by a society as well. The latter however would've probably scraped every car in this segment. Luckily, the underbody protection on the Octavia has held up well.
@charanjitchaudhry5978
@charanjitchaudhry5978 5 жыл бұрын
@@RevAtlas Please add my No. In Skoda owner group I will be happy for part of it My whatsapp No.is 98161-66060
@TheVivekrajaguru
@TheVivekrajaguru 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Sandeep, I am looking to buy a used 2016 1.8 Style plus AT which has just clocked about 30k in odo. Can you please help me with 1. Expected yearly average maintenance costs 2. DSG issues if any that i should be concerned about 3. Ground clearance issues and average mileage pls I am turning out to be a huge Skoda fan and i am getting a stellar deal for this car. Just a bit concerned if wallet is capable enough to enjoy the times with the beast after buying it. Thank you and great video! ✌
@rnkaushal2
@rnkaushal2 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Vivek, I’m in a similar situation: did you end up buying the used octi?
@TheVivekrajaguru
@TheVivekrajaguru 3 жыл бұрын
@@rnkaushal2 Hello Kushal, I ended up buying a brand new skoda rapid instead. It's been about 8 months now. 🙂
@rnkaushal2
@rnkaushal2 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheVivekrajaguru rapid dsg?
@TheVivekrajaguru
@TheVivekrajaguru 3 жыл бұрын
@@rnkaushal2 no, there is no dsg in the bs6 rapid models. You get a torque converter which is as fast as a dsg and is much more reliable and friendly on maintenance.
@rnkaushal2
@rnkaushal2 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheVivekrajaguru nice. Happy motoring!
@pradeepkpd
@pradeepkpd 7 жыл бұрын
I am having Octavia 2.0 tdi style plus model I feel that my suspension crashes in patrols offern is this common and can u reccoment tyre press
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Do you mean potholes? Are you having this issue at the front too or only at the rear? The 1.8 TSI has a superior suspension setup at the rear compared to the TDI and 1.4TSI. I personally put it at 33 PSI on all four tyres. But you could also go for 36 at the rear if thats where the issue is.
@David_Liu93
@David_Liu93 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for reviewing. So if you had to buy now would you buy octavia or Hyundai elantra?
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 4 жыл бұрын
Octavia anyday
@dannycbe949
@dannycbe949 6 жыл бұрын
Just subscribed! First saw your ow worship report on teambhp. Seriously thinking of the same car, now own a Vento 1.2 TSI. HORRIBLE suspension, bouncing over the smallest road imperfection. On smooth curvy roads -rare in Indi-its a different animal altogether. My previous car was the old Maruti Baleno, which has an unbelievable suspension and handling. My questions to you are , what is the warranty packages, extended warranty, km and coverage. Are black seat covers available in the open market ? Thanks
@vimalnair6740
@vimalnair6740 7 жыл бұрын
Great review Sandeep, looking forward to more car reviews on this channel
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Vimal Nair Thank You unnichetta :)
@samit3345
@samit3345 6 жыл бұрын
Are you serious on the mileage 5-9, I have booked the face lift 1.8 L&K and during my test run on 100km it give me 7-9
@shaleendutta3950
@shaleendutta3950 6 жыл бұрын
How is your Octavia 1.8 running?.How many KM's did you clock and did you face any issues with the 7 speed DSG,since I was planning to buy it ,but the DQ200 gearbox is the only thing holding me back!
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Hey. I sold my Octavia last month to upgrade to another car. I clocked almost 35k in 1 year and 8 months. To be honest, the DSG never gave up on me and I feel a lot of the issues are hyped. Yes, it maybe more prone to heating compared to a wet clutch gearbox but in my use I never had issues. Keep in mind that my use is 90% in Bangalore City where the gearbox should exhibit issues with heating due to the bad traffic. I've one interstate trip also per month and it works fine there too. The only real issue in the car is the stupid AC vents which are fragile and will break no matter how careful you are. Other than that, it served me very well and I would recommend it to anyone else too.
@shaleendutta3950
@shaleendutta3950 6 жыл бұрын
@@RevAtlas thanks for the reply.... hoping you make a similar review on your new car as well 🙂.Was there any reason why you sold the Octavia so early?
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude. Might do it :) let's see. Sold it because I needed an SUV. Family grew in size. Since the Octavia we got a dog and now a baby too. So felt I needed an SUV so upgraded to a new car
@applefans100
@applefans100 7 жыл бұрын
Great video Sandeep 🙌🏼 You’re video was very helpful in making a decision on our next car. Think you I had a question for you. We were abt to book the new fl model in 1.8 tsi style. Do you think the DSG problem still exists with the DQ200? Is it ok for us to go with the petrol car with a monthly running of 1500km/month? Plz help us decide as you are an existing customer of the car and you have a good idea abt the car by now.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
+Tejas Dm definitely dude. Go ahead. I'm already at 19k kms and it's been just 9 months since I got the car. First service is done too already. So far I'm loving it. :) I'm sure you will too. The DQ200 is still more prone to problems than the rest of the gearboxes but if taken care of well it shouldn't be an issue. Thanks a lot. Glad the video helped :)
@applefans100
@applefans100 6 жыл бұрын
Hey! Sandeep Have your breaks ever felt spongy. Or is it a natural thing that happens over time. My breaks on 2017 Octavia 1.8tsi have turned spongy and I need your help.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
How many kms have you run? Do you hear any screeching or face any shuddering when breaking at higher speeds
@applefans100
@applefans100 6 жыл бұрын
We have clocked 16000 km with first service done. There is no shrudding noise as such. But our city is a high rainfall region and we park the car outside. Is it because of that ? Is it a major issue ?
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Nope. Doesn't seem like an issue then. 16k is too early for the brakes to wear out as well. But if you truly feel something wrong then get it checked at the SC. As long as it's not affecting the actual braking, it should be fine
@applefans100
@applefans100 6 жыл бұрын
Ok.. Thank you so much
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome :)
@siddhartharay7093
@siddhartharay7093 7 жыл бұрын
Great review coupled with some fantastic shots of the car, enjoyed thoroughly. One question, is the after skoda sales support and maintenance a big reason to worry as i am liking the new octavia a lot but this issue is something i am unable to get a good clarity on. Some inputs will be a lot of help. Thank You.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I am yet to send my car for servicing. However, we have a group of Octavia owners which includes owners who have driven the car for close to 100k kms too. Unanimously, they all have mentioned that Skoda has come a long way not just in terms of their attitude when selling but also in after sales support. They seem to have learnt from their mistakes and are now much better. Also recommended to get the extended warranty and service package when buying the car.
@siddhartharay7093
@siddhartharay7093 7 жыл бұрын
RevAtlas Thanks a ton mate.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Welcome :) please do share and subscribe
@21389ganesh
@21389ganesh 7 жыл бұрын
First time I watched a full car video :)
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Ganesh K haha glad you started with this one :) please stay tuned for more
@Koffie_Genetics
@Koffie_Genetics 7 жыл бұрын
Great review. The shots are very detailed n the car's practically is portrayed as it should be. I' m planning to buy the new Octavia 1.8 Tsi n was concerned about the mechatronic failure issues n was going through the team bhp reviews that when I stumbled up ur write up on it. wanted to know how is the DSG doing ? And where can I find that faux exhaust lip, it adds to the look of the car n are there any other changes that u have made. Thanks
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) glad you liked the review. Please subscribe to the channel also. To be honest, its fine so far. Haven't faced any issues apart from maybe the slight jerkiness when downshifting. But that is something a DSG reset can fix easily and in my case, it seems to have fixed itself due to the change in driving patterns. DSG is very clever and it adapts to your driving style. Which is why you see the fuel efficiency also improve in the course of your ownership. I have a few friends who own the car too and some have gone for longer. Most of them are fine with their cars. Now, they have fixed most of the issues including limiting the torque and fine tuning the gearbox to become better over time. So I think you should be good. In any case, the 4 year warranty helps too and you would be better off getting the 4 year service package as well. The exhaust tips are available through skodadop.com , easy to install. So far I've fitted the faux exhaust tips, the rear protector near the boot loading space, the front bottom chrome strip near the foglights which now comes as a default in the facelifted Octavia. Also got R stick door protectors and planning to change the tyres and rims soon too.
@charanjitchaudhry5978
@charanjitchaudhry5978 5 жыл бұрын
@@RevAtlas This site which you have mentioned for exhaust faux tips not opening any other site please Share Thanks
@Sunil-fg1rf
@Sunil-fg1rf 5 жыл бұрын
The last shot was epic ! I personally own a gt tdi and lookin to pick this one up , also what are ur thoughts on the tdi ? Have u driven it ? It has 140bhp
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 5 жыл бұрын
I had a Vento TDI before the Octavia. On the Octavia, the 1.8 TSI is the only way to go. Unless you are planning to wait for the new VRS. I miss the car a lot. Now I'm using a Kodiaq. Had an X1 briefly between both but the 1.8 TSI was just so refined and free revving. Total beast on the highway. Forget the TDI, go for TSI
@applefans100
@applefans100 7 жыл бұрын
Just bought the new Octavia 1.8 tsi. The car is just mind blowing 😍. Sandeep which tyres do you suggest to upgrade to on the stock rims ?
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
+Tejas Dm congratulations Tejas! Wonderful choice. You're guaranteed to love it :D get rid of the NCT5 as soon as possible. I would personally recommend getting the Michelin PS3/4 and I personally have the PS4 with Momo Massimo 17" rims. But also you may want to look at a wider set of you want better comfort and grip. Based on what exactly you're wishing to achieve with the tyres, I could recommend the best
@applefans100
@applefans100 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sandeep ! We just use the car on daily bases for dads office and to my college and back home. We won’t often use the full engine potential. We require the tyres for a better road grip and ride comfort. Based on our needs are the NCT 5 ok or we have to upgrade the tyres. And for how long a set of tyres last on this beast.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
It should last 40k easily if handled well and driven sedately. However, i changed mine since I couldn't take the NCT 5 really. If you're not driving it closer to the limits then you can perhaps stick with it or check out Conti or Yamaha tyres with a wider profile. Should give better grip and comfort but keep in mind that mileage will get affected a bit. Perhaps you can stick with the NCT 5 till they wear out and then change it.
@adhisankar8586
@adhisankar8586 5 жыл бұрын
One hell of a car for its value. You don't get such a spacious cabin with proven powertrain. I drive 1.4 TSI Octavia which is more economical and It has been delight driving this car for the last 4 years. We could see from your video how much you like your car.
@abhishakepande1161
@abhishakepande1161 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video bro
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@menonsreekumar
@menonsreekumar 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent review.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Sreekumar Menon thanks dude :)
@Iti755r-xz2dk
@Iti755r-xz2dk 3 жыл бұрын
why the steering cover , it ruins it.
@Baz79H
@Baz79H 7 жыл бұрын
Nice review , I will be buying a Škoda Octavia vRS tdi ,,, Škoda's are amazing cars 😎👍
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Thats great. Its a beautiful car. All the best :) Enjoy your new drive when you get it and wish you many wonderful miles on it
@ravpreetsingh7021
@ravpreetsingh7021 7 жыл бұрын
Hello. I have a 2.0TDI Octavial A7.. I have had sunroof rattling issues and Skoda Chandigarh has been very helpful n very cooperative and is changing the entire sunroof with new Octavia(the updated sunroof of the new octavia) since due to GST the consignments were delayed..! My question is have you faced such an issue? Or if you have.. what have you done to solve it or least reduce it? I am following your thread on Team-BHP.. i have tried to register 2 times but the mods have declined my membership.! (Sadly though :P) Please help and support.! Regards Ravpreet Singh
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
I haven't faced the issue myself but I have heard of several users having the issue around 3-4k kms later. But all of them did get the sunroof rattling issue fixed free of charge.
@pradeepkpd
@pradeepkpd 7 жыл бұрын
Ravpreet Singh I am having same issue but I thought it's usual and left considering it I usually get that sound in highways while crossing that white paint lines in deviations
@ohivicky654
@ohivicky654 7 жыл бұрын
pradeep kumar lgxh
@ravpreetsingh7021
@ravpreetsingh7021 7 жыл бұрын
pradeep kumar Skoda Chandigarh have fixed it to i'd say 80% but when the car crosses over thuds or potholes.! The sunroof frame rattles.. will again send the car for complete inspection and let you know!. Other than that the car is a dream to drive and have extended the warranty.! No other issues except the irritating sunroof rattles
@charanjitchaudhry5978
@charanjitchaudhry5978 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ravpreet singh ji Please send me your Mob. No. My No. Is 98161 - 66060
@ShobhitAggarwal123
@ShobhitAggarwal123 7 жыл бұрын
Super amazing shots.....
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Shobhit Aggarwal thanks Shobhit :)
@applefans100
@applefans100 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Sandeep! Saw your post on Team BHP about ditching your 16” stock alloys. Are they by any chance still available with you ?
@abhilashvadassery
@abhilashvadassery 7 жыл бұрын
Great Review...
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@sathishmechy
@sathishmechy 7 жыл бұрын
Fantabulous!
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Sathish Mechy thank you :)
@ankitraturi2219
@ankitraturi2219 7 жыл бұрын
doesn't matter what mileage it gives, Still Octavia is the best car in its segment :) Octavia owners is richer than the MB or BMW owners I think becoz he pay for performance not for mileage nd all ;)
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
As a 1.8TSI owners, i definitely agree mileage isn't everything. Just mentioned for those who would want to know. Buying the 1.8TSI or not shouldn't be based solely on that.
@nileshwagh2598
@nileshwagh2598 2 жыл бұрын
Nice information
@divyaank
@divyaank 7 жыл бұрын
nice video sir 😀
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Divyaank Rana thank you :)
@xrx13695
@xrx13695 6 жыл бұрын
Nice review :-) Hows the car holding up ? Especially keen to hear about the gearbox.
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks :) I have sold the car since and changed to another. Sold it at 35k kms. Had it from Jan 31st 2017 till September 29th 2018. Gearbox had no issues. The gearbox issues were blown out of proportion I feel since I had a great experience overall. Maybe it would show signs of old age later on but only issue i had was with the flimsy air vents and a coolant pump leak, the latter of which was replaced under warranty.
@xrx13695
@xrx13695 6 жыл бұрын
RevAtlas wasn’t expecting such a prompt reply :-) so thank you for that. Would you say the dsg reliability could be because you are a gentle driver ? I like pushing my cars to the redline one a while so was wondering how much detrimental would aggressive driving be on this unit ? Btw which car did you pick ? :-)
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 6 жыл бұрын
Lol. Firstly I am not a gentle driver. In the sense, I'm not one to thrash my cars mindlessly but I do push them to their limits when I feel like. I have hit the top speed as well as done several stints with the car trying to beat my own acceleration times as well as trip times since I travel inter state quite often. Or even do some spirited driving to relax or get the adrenaline pumping at times. But that's not really going to affect the gearbox. The 7 speed DQ 200 is lightning fast in terms software shifting and is better than the 6 speed DQ 250 as well. Plus most wouldn't go for a 1.8 TSI if they weren't someone who's looking to enjoy their drive considering the lower fuel efficiency and higher price. They would've just gone for a 1.4 TSI or 2.0 TDI. Either way, the main thing that could cause an issue with the gearbox is traffic and constantly shifting between one or two gears or just the car being held in drive mode for too long in traffic with the clutch engaged. My usage would be 50/50 or 60/40 in terms of the distance covered during my city and highway trips. But being in city like Bangalore, the traffic being one of the worst in India, time spent during city commutes are higher. The dry clutch is apparently prone to overheating and that was the main concern for the DQ 200. But as I found out, it really doesn't cause issues. 1. They've limited the torque to 250 nm which is the max the gearbox can handle safely. Earlier it wasn't limited and that's what caused issues with the gearbox on cars such as previous gen Superb. 2. The clutch disengages and the engine goes into a full idle state if you press the brake hard enough thereby minimalising friction even in drive mode. 3. You may think on highways where you max the car out may cause issues with the gearbox but the car will quickly shift to higher gears and once you're above a certain speed, hold onto the 7th gear since you'll be doing a fairly fast speed so it doesn't really have an impact on the gearbox. In the city however you'll go from 0-10-20-40-30-10-0-10-0-10-0-10 etc and that's where there's a higher chance of damage. Hope that makes sense. I changed to a BMW X1
@sushantnassa1679
@sushantnassa1679 7 жыл бұрын
dope video
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
sushant nassa thanks :)
@mohankumar5775
@mohankumar5775 4 жыл бұрын
Good information
@Arianitus1
@Arianitus1 6 жыл бұрын
Overall best autos
@veerajnimmalapudi6276
@veerajnimmalapudi6276 7 жыл бұрын
Resale value and maintainence are the only two things that are stopping me from getting the new Octavia 🙄
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
Maintenance isn't that expensive tbh. Service intervals are at 15k as opposed to 10k or 7.5k for some brands. When you compare the cost per service, you have to take into account service intervals as well. Plus if you go for the 4 year service package, you pay for very little on top of that as a result. Resale value yes. Sadly people don't really understand just how good the German cars are over other cars . But then again I personally wouldn't let resale value dictate what car I go for. It is definitely a bonus but would mean losing out on a lot of other benefits and would almost definitely end up with a Maruti/Suzuki always then.
@veerajnimmalapudi6276
@veerajnimmalapudi6276 7 жыл бұрын
RevAtlas I totally agree, but what after the 4 year maintainence plan expires? Don't most problems occur after the 4th year?
@RevAtlas
@RevAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
veeraj nimmalapudi true. Higher chances are there for that after the 4 year period. But again so will it be the same for other cars too. The older it gets the more difficult and expensive it is to maintain. Surely some brands will have cheaper methods of maintaining too though
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