Revealing the Dark Lore of Fionna & Cake Episode 7 “The Star”

[@vitorpereira9515]

I am starting to believe that Simon is the most important character in adventure time. By taking care of Marcy he may have saved the world

[@valsfilms9200]

I love that😊

[@omaradel5132]

He is the most in the fandom

[@omaradel5132]

And farm world but they don’t know it yet

[@Artemis1536]

True! If he had not taken care of Marcy, Marcy would not have tried to save humans from the vampires, which means that humans probablly would eventually go extinct in that universe, and Finn would never have been born. Therefore, no Adventure Time.

[@riverajustinmarks.]

​@@Artemis1536I doubt finn wouldn't exist without the humans, since he's the antithesis of the lich then he would've probably appeared in another form like the lich.

[@Lex_Quinn]

Marceline’s house being upside down could also be a tarot card reference. When cards are reversed their meanings change so the star card upside down means hopelessness, despair, monotony, and lack of inspiration

[@laticalcohol8340]

I thought so but it would’ve been weird for them to put that same reference twice in the same episode with Marshal Lee and Gumball being upright and Babblegum and Marceline being upside down

[@jahmeirduncan6870]

Yeah, Marceline’s tarot would definitely be the star reversed not the regular star

[@scarlightemperor3410]

Trueeee... Marcie in this isn't using her Axe anymore

[@Vib_me_is]

I love the ideas people have on this, this is such a cool theory!! I just thought it was cause bats sleep upside down

[@sapphireemerald9888]

I was thinking it was mostly just a reference to how bats sleep in a cave. Which then referenced how Marceline’s embraced her vampirism, or maybe just implying the house it’s self is a vampire and thus sleeps like a bat!

[@adampettigrew5912]

Didn't huntress wizard have a connection with the forest? They didn't get to grow, because the clouds blocked sunlight.

[@dylanholm9995]

I didn’t even think of that, good catch

[@oliviaconnor9359]

Good point, so that’s why she looks human 🤔

[@vitorpereira9515]

Those damn vampire are killing their world. By doing this they are doing the Lich a favor.

[@LeondreWilsono0o]

@@vitorpereira9515 I think the Vampire King was channeling the Lich or being taken over by the Lich in some way! I say this because of the stare down he has with Cake…

[@ViolateViolatte]

this make sense than his theory in this video

[@MarxistMomentum]

I never thought I'd ever feel bad about Martin dying, but here I am.

[@illmentaly]

Ikr

[@GabrielBear]

This is literally the first time we see this Martin this isn’t the Martin you know so you wouldn’t feel bad for the og him dying because these are 2 completely different people

[@Origamiisthebest]

Me too

[@rhodesgreecetours5390]

Me and you bro

[@mahmoudyousry8198]

I always loved martin he is my favorite character in the show

[@MarxistMomentum]

Marceline (The Star) may be evil, but she has the drip! Her wardrobe was fire.

[@MarxistMomentum]

@CipherRage-tp5ql Like me!

[@MarxistMomentum]

@CipherRage-tp5ql I've seen these "fan arts" as well. In fact, I have an entire folder on my computer filled with these "fan arts". 😉

[@yellowishgreendragon.-.]

I loved her outfits this episode, but I do think her change in personality was scary. Also the Vampire king was already dangerous, a Vampire King with the craziness of the Ice Kings Crown would be so much more dangerous.

[@randomthings2630]

Agreed

[@QuarterCentum]

Yep. And I’m gonna call her Starceline.

[@McSenkel]

I also like juxtaposition of two pairs; while Marcelline and Bonnie are falling *down* , Marshall and Garry are running *up* the stairs.

[@bloodyraptor6251]

Also PB and Marcy are killing each other while Marshall and Gary kiss... though that one is obvi lol

[@ЖеняШевченко-н3с]

Nice detail! Pretty symbolic

[@GalarianGuy]

It's weird that this episode implies both Huntress and Martin must have come from a completely different group of humans than the islands humans.

[@wildkiller63]

truly

[@Dave102693]

I thought they did

[@khadajhin]

The theory on martin is a big stretch

[@GalarianGuy]

@@khadajhin Not at all?

[@khadajhin]

@@GalarianGuy so how was he in founders island if he isnt a descendant

[@NaraNaraJapan]

To be fair on Simon's part, he DID ask for help. He was honest about his feelings with Finn and Dirt Beer Guy and tried calling Marcy. Sometimes you reach out and the support you get is well-intentioned but useless. People can be kind of confused about how to handle a friend's existential crisis.

[@MangaBear]

True I got mad at finn for being oblivious of Simon feelings and somewhat gaslighting him to be ice king..... I just can't ...

[@starraesky]

​@@MangaBearI think I'm missing something..? When did Finn try to gaslight Simon into being Ice King? Was that in Adventure Time?

[@RoseMultiverse]

@@starraeskyyeahhhh no I wouldn’t say that’s gaslighting. Maybe the internet could do some good in looking up terms and what they mean before saying them.

[@mannyeatsdirt]

which is cool cause finn is supposed to represent good, and good doesn’t necessarily mean smart and empathetic. i think theyre trying to differentiate it.

[@raindancejam9466]

​@@MangaBearbro was trying to help in his own way fam

[@fossilartstudios5878]

For huntress wizard it’s a bit complicated , mainly cause of a lot of time between the bomb going off and her being born most likely her family were humans originally but as they learned magic they turned into more plant like creatures like the grass wizard. So huntress wizard would be born in that timeline as a plant girl but in this timeline since magic didn’t develop her family never turned into plants so she also as a result remained human

[@mikadosannoji553]

and theres no sunlight for plant life to grow

[@aylinitzel.]

This is what I think too, it would make the most sense

[@notcarte]

yes and if they tried to use magic they couldn’t use plant magic due to no sun, so anyone of the family who used magic would die off, therefore the family needed to not use magic in order to get this far in life

[@fossilartstudios5878]

@@notcarte true , in a no sun world plant magic seems pointless? Even huntress human has to use glue to make her arrows instead of using plant based ones since there’s no nature anywhere for her to pull from and what little plant life remained was chopped up and converted into stakes meaning she’d never be in a position to grow her bond with plants

[@madman7544]

Kinda like billy from farmworld universe

[@SerifTheImpressionist]

honestly i think baby finn will end up becoming that worlds hero hopefully, from how it sounded with the peppermint tank it can auto repair given enough time, and since they wouldnt have a reason to check it for more survivors he'll probably be left to his own devices and peppermint just might train him to be a hero/hunter

[@rolandarriaga1295]

Especially if Bonnie did kill Marceline. Cause that would probably give humans in general a better chance

[@cael4065]

Would he have armor that looks like a peppermint to reference candy element Fern?

[@SerifTheImpressionist]

@@cael4065 i think it'd be something thats an homage to his original look but definitely with more armor or his neck being covered. maybe a peppermint sword XD

[@cael4065]

@@SerifTheImpressionist Imagine It’s Like the Finn sword but a peppermint lol

[@dragonrider1736]

Either way, the vampire world won't last long in the long run. Draining blood to extinction would sealed their futures fate to the worlds end. They got what they wanted, but they never got what they needed

[@FrosteryGaming]

I really love the difference between Cake and Jake. Jake was really really afraid of vampires while Cake easily kills them with no hesitation.

[@misterjoshua5720]

I'm almost certain Marceline escaped that first vampire when she was looting Simon, because when she turns into a vampire she stops aging. I wonder if she was aided by the Mother Gum, which would be awake around this time. Also 100% Baby Finn gets raised by the repaired Peppermint Tanker to become a mighty vampire bun kicker.

[@ЖеняШевченко-н3с]

…and he goes on adventuring with it :) that’s why we see him running in intro of miniseries

[@lore9828]

Maybe she was with princess bubblegum and the resistance until she got bitten and joined the vampire king

[@lilrobodoge6749]

Maybe she did meet the vampire king but he didn't turn her into a vampire yet, but let her live since she's half demon. Maybe she was turned later as a right of passage, or maybe she was turned when she was old enough to defeat the other vampire sidekicks.

[@misterjoshua5720]

Ahhh it seems we were wrong, but Im thrilled with how it shook out in the end!@@ЖеняШевченко-н3с

[@matheusmelisguerrapeixe2330]

Bonnie is the gum element, every other human elemental was color coded with their element. Either she was born from the gum mother and got to see and engage with humans, got raised as one, and now wants revenge for them (marcy story, but for bonnie) , or she is a human elemental.

[@vasaus]

The mother gum saved marciline as a kid so i presume shes still gum

[@vasaus]

Also doesnt she chew up some of herself

[@fe1]

@@vasaus Yeah, she's 100% made of gum

[@Agiven32]

Bonnie being the candy elemental is why she has a human shape isn’t it cuz she’s like an evolved “gum” thing and back in evergreens episode him and the other elements have humanoid bodies despite having other animal qualities

[@mattlibra3139]

@@Agiven32the elementals at one point were cosmic beings, the moon, sun, a comet and asteroid were the incarnations of the elementals a long time ago

[@anodyne-4736]

Huntress wizard's human hair color and one of Finn's kids in the return to Farmworld implies to us who his wife was. They really are meant for eachother

[@SoyBoyGup]

Also the fact that they cook "Hunter's Soup" which is a constantly simmering pot you add the day's catch and gatherings to!

[@emargaux]

I feel like Marceline's house being upside down is just a reference to how bats sleep upside down, given the house has bat wings.

[@raze2012_]

Could also be a tarot reference. Remember that Marcrline is called "The Star" here and Tarots have different meanings depending on being upright or upside down. The Star tarot is pretty straightforward: UPRIGHT: Hope, faith, purpose, renewal, spirituality REVERSED: Lack of faith, despair, self-trust, disconnection So yeah... We see that Simon did indeed give little Marcy faith and even purpose, even when he could no longer take care of her.

[@k2geekd]

i also like how fionnas world reflects where simon is😭 a blood drive while fighting vampires, it magically snowing when with the winter king

[@rinka6498]

Omg that's such a good point!

[@CinnamonGrrlErin1]

I love the editing in this episode so much, it's almost cinematic. Ms Abadeer's mansion is fantastic too and so many cameos! My favorite is the piano player guy from all the way back in "Henchman."

[@geekygecko1849]

He was my favorite as well!

[@deeeeniiiiss]

Man it's fucked up that they just left baby finn in that broken down tank, considering bubblegum is presumed dead he's left all alone there with nothing but the tank taking care of him

[@goobeeeer]

hey, it's a sentient tank, his chance of survival isn't like 0% or anything, although they could have taken him SOMEWHERE

[@raze2012_]

​@@goobeeeerhonestly it's pretty high. Remember that the tank self repaired and they left it behind because they didn't want to wait 16 hours. But it's more than enough time to repair and get Finn out.

[@gwell2118]

My guess the ending will show he will grow up to be that universes new savior now that PB is dead there. Since the war against the Vampires is far from over since the Vampire King and his army still lives.

[@deeeeniiiiss]

@@raze2012_ yeah but can the tank cook food? is the tank gonna change his boom boom as they'd call it

[@Greybell]

I love that this show is full of what ifs. What if Simon died, what if Ice King was sane, etc. This show handles multiversal plot and lore quite well and carefully. It would make sense for Huntress not being a wizard since life there doesn't sustain itself due to the clouds covering the sun. Huntress Wizard is one with nature, and without nature, there's no wizards to take care of it. Huntress Wizard might've learned and gained magic from another nature wizard in Oo. Also, unless PB survives the fall with Marcy, Baby Finn is most definitely _gone_ since vampires are everywhere. A mere human can't even survive without the most advanced weaponry (tank and garlic bombs) like PB has. Oh and that last scene with Marsh and Gary is so adorable! Honestly, I would love to watch a special episode just between the two. I like how the show balanced the depressing scenes with the more light-hearted interaction between Gary and Marsh. We need more of them!

[@bladezero4862]

So gay

[@LazyUggugg]

Baby Finn does have a tank and garlic bombs, so he could live

[@daneeko]

had to do a double take because i read it as "what if ice king was sans"

[@johnanderson3559]

@@LazyUgguggimagine coming back to this universe to find Finn having slayed all the vampires with the stuff pb left behind

[@Plazmasoldier]

Since Finn is a catalyst, I’d think the world would probably be better off with him there.

[@Bubblegob]

I also loved the scene where the fail to stab vampires with pointy woods, feels like a jab at Buffy where EVEN A PENCIL could kill a vampire.

[@bloodyraptor6251]

I was hoping youd mention how Ms Abadeer has the same inhumanely, eccentric movements as Hunson. Somehow it's more creepy when she does it because shes a normal human 😂

[@yougort4879]

I'm just hoping because baby finn in intro run, he's ok, and they left him in self-repearing anti-vampire tank, he'll grow up as vampire hunter, the hero, which hopefully somehow saves this universe cuz star is dead

[@gwell2118]

My bet the final episode will have an encoda montage showing all the other universes and what happened after Simon, Cake and Fiona left. My guess it will show baby Finn is rescued and grows up to be that universes new savior with PB dead. As the Vampire King is still around.

[@crunchysalmons]

the humans who survived the mushroom war were the humans that marceline protected, they left Ooo on the banana boat not because of the vampires but because “something big was coming” which was the second cataclysm that turned Ooo magic instead of just post apocalyptic. presumably this universe never had the “something big” happen so instead of a magic being Huntress wizard is a decendant of the humans that survived the war and vampires so far

[@lindenshepherd6085]

Not to mention, Marcy was buying them time to build the boat by killing off major vampires. If she was working under the Vampire King, they might not have had enough time to escape with everyone and some people got killed and/or left behind.

[@rostyslavredchyts8086]

We know that PB is not immortal; she just ages very slowly. Since PB from the alternate universe is an adult, it suggests that everything in that universe occurred 1000 years after the mushroom war. Martin, however, was born much later in the timeline of the original AT universe. What I'm trying to convey is that, given the vast differences in the world over so many years, there's virtually no chance that Martin's great-great-grandparents would have met, nor would their descendants, until Martin was finally born. This implies that the reason Martin exists in this universe is simply because he is destined to be there. The same applies to the huntress. Her existence as a human is not due to the absence of magic, but because she is meant to exist. Mint Butler exists for the same reason. It's incorrect to say he doesn't exist because PB never built the candy kingdom; he does exist. If Minerva doesn't exist, it might be because she's not deemed crucial to the universe. If she does exist, there's a high likelihood that Finn does too. Perhaps Martin suffered a head trauma for some other reason, which is why he finds baby Finn endearing (he subconsciously recalls his son). It's possible that what made Martin unlikable initially wasn't his trauma but the experiences he endured, similar to Marceline from the vampire universe. If you suggest that Huntress Wizard is actually human, it would either imply that she managed to sustain her life with magic since the war (which is likely not feasible, as magic probably emerged after she would have passed away if born that early) OR she somehow left one of the human islands and learned magic in OOO, which also seems improbable. An interesting note about Marceline in this universe: her adult appearance suggests that the Vampire King prevented her from becoming a vampire until she reached adulthood. This means he must have cared for her as a human and so forth. Additionally, Marceline's ability to fly and shapeshift indicates that the king must have permitted her to defeat some vampires to acquire their powers.

[@tanandalynch9441]

It's implied that the powers of the Tarot court in Stakes got those abilities from VK himself, so who's to say he didn't grant her those powers outright. We see one of the minions floating when adjusting the back of Marcelline's red outfit

[@RXTRO914]

I wish this worlds Martin never died so he can be a better father to Ooo's Finn or raise the "I'M A TUFF TOOTIN BABY THAT CAN DANCE LIKE A MAN" Finn Also RIP Simon. I wish Marceline never turned out like this 😭

[@HanyaPanya444]

I like how even though the vampire king never had the realization of being trapped in the cycle, he still seems like a relatively chill dude (by vampire standards). Sure he is a bloodsucking tyrant but he is never seen abusing his minions and seems to genuinely love the star as his daughter.

[@starraesky]

I disagree about that last point. Just because we don't see him abusing the minions doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And I doubt that he actually loves Marceline more than he uses her for his own entertainment. In this episode he gives a few signs about being bored with the repetition of his lifestyle, and while he doesn't seem malicious towards Marceline it's clear that he's mostly using her for her own benefit (which is what made Simon yell at him, if you remember).

[@HanyaPanya444]

@@starraesky Mean (similar to Hudson) he's still a terrible father training her as a weapon and doesn't really help her mature as a person, but on the other hand when the star and bubblegum were falling to their possible death, he seemed genuinely concerned for her safety. Calling her "Baby Girl" and immediately sending everybody he had under his command in an attempt to rescue her.

[@dannyorange9023]

It does seem plausible that Huntress Wizard was a human that transmogrified her body at some point to a more plant-like form via magic. The new magical body would be an easy explanation for the increased longevity she might need in order for that timeline to make sense. Good observation.

[@Amenotejikara_]

Every episode so far has me feelin like a kid again this episode was amazing can’t wait for the season finale hopefully with prime Finn and before death Jake!!!

[@mikadosannoji553]

coming from school throwing your backpack away and tuning in CN as fast as possible to catch your favorite cartoon

[@Bubblegob]

Regarding Martin's morality I always thought that it was not only his head trauma but also the fact that most people he interacts with in the prison and on Oooo are just... Not humans he can't relate to them and don't see them as people which kind of make sense since in Oooo the definition of a person is so wide that an outsider could easily just not care about weird mutants creatures so far removed from humanity. Had he kept interracting with humans I do think his morality wouldn't have end up so questionnable.

[@dreamdesk7258]

I was so surprised that the show just glossed over the fact that the vamp king was seemingly unaffected entirely by the crown?? Why didn’t he turn into the faux evergreen?

[@starraesky]

I think it either has something to do with the fact that the Vampire King is already a 'mutated' being with a high power level, therefore his physical makeup can't be altered by the crown. It's also canon that The Crown has less altering affects depending on the user's mental strength while using it, as shown in 'The Winter King' when Winter Simon's form goes back to a more humanoid appearance after he casts away the madness. If your will is stronger than the crown, it will of course have less negative effects on you.

[@dreamdesk7258]

@@starraesky I can see how the pre-existing mutation would cancel out the physical effects that the crown takes but I still can’t get behind the mind alteration. Winter King didn’t overcome the crown through will power he used a spell, wish, or something we don’t know of to cast the madness of the crown on to PB. And we can see that the crown STILL somewhat effects him as he didn’t care about Betty, I imagine because simons love and mourning for Betty played a big part in shaping IK’s delusions so it got transferred as well. We can theorize as to why the vamp king wasn’t effected but in my eyes it’s a plot hole.

[@orangecat504]

@@dreamdesk7258I think its also closure for winter king he was able to mourn betty while og Simon didn’t as he wasn’t sane

[@TheBigE9999]

PB could also still be made of gum because she's an elemental. She would show up as herself no matter what. She might've even been a human before mutating like Patience's friends

[@mikadosannoji553]

one thing that i always thought is that the mother gum was the corpse of that one elemental in patience's flashback caught by the blast

[@TheBigE9999]

@@mikadosannoji553 timeline adds up, but I'm not sure about placement. I feel like Bonnie was born in Germany and Simon and Marcy were in like, new york or smth

[@lindenshepherd6085]

I’m pretty sure all of Ooo is the remains of Scandinavia, with bits of Germany and the UK.

[@Jkuro_]

This show is Dark as hell man, it's amazing how it just takes characters we've known we've a decade and immediately kills them off in a heartbeat.

[@epiclowdab]

for huntress, i think the existence of vampires, especially as the primary lifeform in this ooo, countermeasures the balance of magic, with so many beings made of magic other lifeforms that would of partially been made of magic can't exist or non magic beings cant evolve into magic beings, so characters like huntress wizard and other sentient beings in ooo would just be human. Bubblegum still exists as bubblegum since the mother gum existed shorty after the mushroom bomb, bubblegum not needing to evolve kept it magical

[@mikadosannoji553]

and also huntress wizard has a connection with the forest, but in this case the sun is blocked stopping any plant life from growing

[@Qwer-teaBinch]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THAT THEY JUST DITCHED BABY FINN

[@kiyoshi3313]

Bro finna become the savior of that world. 💀

[@Qwer-teaBinch]

@@kiyoshi3313 bro gonna be the biggest buffest finn yet

[@jerrimyhealy5063]

I'm glad you pointed out the fact the marceline being called "the star" is a reference to stakes

[@AdanSolas]

But haven’t we noticed that she’s a Star? 21:53 It bothered me that they could’ve had Cake stretch, grab the crown and then teleport away. Like, they were *literally* that close… Also, I don’t think that they both died. Marceline has the upper hand and could probably slow down their descent or shapeshift so that the other vampires could grab Bubblegum. 😂

[@sebastyann123]

We know that but marceline does not want pb dead (she killed the 2 minions that Just mention it, and that was after she automatically kicked one in the face after bad mouthig pb) and even during the fight Marceline was asking pb to join her. If Marcy did not die, I dont think she let Pb die either

[@Agiven32]

Can that PB be killed by vampires tho? She doesn’t have blood I know Marcy drains her in one of the earlier episodes in the show but she gets up fine despite being drained and just looks mad

[@AdanSolas]

@@Agiven32 That’s because Marceline was draining her red, because she doesn’t drink blood in the main reality. She even called it “enough low-grade red to get [her] home at least”. I believe that she can suck her soul out or kill her by other, more conventional means.

[@pugofwarbr]

the Vampire King is truly dangerous, a slight touch in that crown and that could be the end of cake.

[@vavalaz]

@@Agiven32 idk, but apaprently marcy sucked out her eye so i guess thats it, but im pretty sure they can since bubble gum had to replenish

[@NoRegs30]

I want a season 2 where we return to this world to actually help them, instead of fucking everything up Also kinda want to see Regular Marceline and PB fight this version of Marcy

[@chaos4654]

It'd probably be one bonkers fight.

[@Maljurok]

You know an idea did come to mind regarding each universe, there is a possibility that no matter how bad things got in those universes after Fionna, Cake, and Simon left it, there is still a chance that things might actually be getting better for them, think about it. The last we see of Farmworld Finn was supposedly getting impaled by Scarab but we don't really see him Die it was just implied, the same for PB and Marcelene. Who knows it might have turned out they all survived. Not only that but don't forget, Peppermint Tank is watching over Finn with the prospect of him self repairing himself. So who knows maybe baby Finn will grow up raised by Peppermint Tank to continue the fight for Ooo.

[@melon0637]

23:37 OMG HE WAS LEFT IN THE PEPPERMINT BUTLER TANK WHICH HAS SELF FIXING CAPABILITIES NO? The tank was set to be fixed after a whole day, and no vampire will check on that tank because it's presumably empty. It's automated, can communicate, but idk if it can take care of a baby. The thing with finn, he's always had a bit of luck, for the farm world finn, I don't think he died. He was wearing that anti fangs headwear. So, although the possibility isn't high, maybe baby finn did survive. Maybe the tank could leave and raise baby finn 😭 but that's just me and my delusion

[@orangecat504]

Maybe Prismo could undo it

[@ChrisHangry]

since the episode has to do with their names as tarot cards, it could be showing "the star" in reverse, meaning the feeling of hopelessness. not necessarily things being hopeless but feeling like it, which could point to the lingering feeling of pb and marceline falling to their doom or having left baby finn in the vamp world?

[@Sollace]

13:09 This logic for why Martin isn't selfish is kind of broken. The whole thing depends on the assumption that the head trauma he received whilst trying to leave the island is what made him how he is, whereas I believe the show made it pretty clear that he was already a con artist long before that.

[@sudanemamimikiki1527]

He was a con artist but he wasn't an irredeemable ass before the injury

[@kozolith2121]

wasn't it that he was a con artist before but he met minerva and turned over a new leaf? then reverted to his old ways after the head trauma he got trying to escape the island?

[@Infamousspaade]

@@kozolith2121yup! When he bonked his head and was picked up by pirates he reformed to his old ways not even having good memories of Minerva or Finn at all, not that he didn’t remember them it just was extremely vague

[@Sollace]

@@kozolith2121 Eeyup! So without ever meeing Minerva, he wouldn't have turned over a new leaf. Though you might argue that without the island ever existing, he might have had an entirely different life before that as well, so whether or not he would still be a con artist is up to question.

[@Gemini-Lion]

Here’s the thing: even though he was a con artist, that was just his means of getting by through life on Founder’s Island. As a person, he was someone who could love and even have a family. After the head injury, he became willing to burn any bridges, even with his own son! In Vamp World, his means of getting by were probably through working alongside Huntress and PB.

[@howardhong9399]

You know, Martin was also from Founders Island. So by your logic about why Minerva doesn’t exist, Martin should also not exist. I think Minerva may exist but obviously, she never met Martin and they never had Finn in this universe.

[@pugofwarbr]

maybe he is not, maybe he is a traveler, and i mean a traveler between worlds

[@cofagrigusfan24]

when i saw Martin, something that came to my mind, was what his Prismo wish could be and i like to think, that he would wish for a reality where he didn't go crazy and escaped to Ooo with Finn based on a weird dream he had (a dream about his past)

[@SwordTune]

I'm obsessed with Evil Marcie's new designs.

[@majozajo]

I'm loving your episode analysis and the show so far. It's amazing

[@sm000liv]

I am awaiting the analysis of episode 8. I have been wondering for days whether what we saw is OOO of the Lich's desire or our OOO in the future. Also, Betty is giving me negative vibes.... It seems like she already knew way too much about what she was doing while she was with Simon.

[@CartoonCo-Op]

What do you mean about Betty, she just seemed to like him even before knowing him. It plays like a student into their professor. I don’t think they are going for undoing their entire relationship but rather the themes of the show seem to point toward moving on while learning to accept your present reality

[@mikadosannoji553]

Clearly baby lich is the one behind all of this

[@pugofwarbr]

just like farmworld of Finn's wish, the deadworld of the Lich's wish remained

[@sm000liv]

@@CartoonCo-Op It's just a feeling, that's why I'm waiting for the commentary. It could be as you say. I just had the feeling that Betty already knew everything. That she already knew where to look and for some reason she let Simon do it. Simon notices it too and she responds in a strange way.... But really, it may just be a wrong impression.

[@mrrning6strr588]

Bruh I can’t believe they did baby fin like that but at the same time I love to believe he’s going to become the hero that world needs

[@RhiannonSenpai]

9:57 I think Huntress Wizard was a mutated human that became a wizard. She has the same green skin colour as the mutated human Shoko, Finn's previous life. So I don't think Huntress Wizard is just a normal human, but a mutated one in the OG series and in this universe she doesn't have the green skin that hints to mutation but normal skin. So in the vampire universe she's just a normal, non-mutated, non-wizard human

[@kiraakuma5933]

My best guess is that the Vampire Multiverse lacks Biodiversity. With the vampires there, there was no ability for other species to develop. Yet this is still a Multiverse so the Variants of the main cast still developed in the only way they could So Huntress Wizard didn't develop as a... I think she's some form of dryad...?

[@trixicus9091]

I find it strange that Hunson Abadeer had no mention in The Star' universe.

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I mean wasn't the only reason marcy met Hudson Abadeer was because she was looking for a father figure after she lost Simon?

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And in this universe she always had a father figure. The vampire king

[@gurlboniee]

Like Hunson is her biological dad, right? So when she grew up like that, even though he had never met her, he should have known that he had a daughter... Or he has never realized that he has a child until Simon summoned him and asked him to take care of Marcy that he is finally aware that she is his kid :/ So in this world, Simon never met Marcy cuz he was already dead, which means that Hunson would never know that he has a daughter in the first place.

[@trixicus9091]

​@@1..-...--.-.-.--.-----..-yeah I get it but you would think he would leave the nightosphere every once and a while. But I could be wrong.

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@@trixicus9091 why would he? I mean this world seems empty of life unlike Fins original universe. And Abadeer would probably come out only to torture the living after the night-o-sphere becomes boring and because there isn't allot of people it's just not worth the effort. And he probably thinks marcy is just dead.

[@jebree]

Maybe I missed something but, if Marcelline didn't help out the humans that would eventually travel to founders island ,wouldn't that mean Martin wouldn't have existed ether?

[@jackdailey5238]

I loved Simon getting so defensive of the way the Vampire King raised Marceline

[@belialkott]

"eat garlic" could be a vampire version of "eat shit"

[@JuicePurifie]

Anybody else like the cakes face as the cake tank is Jake's criminal look from one last job

[@plainblocks2]

I wanna see TS Marceline fight against OG Marceline

[@customarymagic]

On the point about Founder's Island, if Martin was also there before Finn was born doesn't that imply he was also originally from the island? If we say that Minerva never could have existed because Founder's Island was never created, wouldn't the argument be the same for Martin? Unless I'm missing something that implies he came to Founder's Island and wasn't born there. My understanding was that all the humans on the island descended from the group Marceline saved

[@JojoSherrill]

Bro you do such a great job putting these videos together, i look forward to them every time. I didnt catch the bit about the humans that went to founders island. Great video!

[@CorbinTim]

This story always makes me think what happened to the people on those small islands. Did they survive because of the robot or die?

[@CocoDog_123]

Baby Finn isn't stuck with the vampires, the vampires are stuck with baby finn

[@phantomgamer3898]

I don't think that Finn and Minerva not existing in that universe just boils down to Founder's Island never existing, because Martin was also born there. So it's probably just by chance that in this universe Minnerva's ancestors died, while Martin's didn't

[@oberdan4233]

I think baby Finn is going to become a really good vampire hunter, being teached by a AI Tank that can regenerate

[@citrinethecorgi]

I wonder how it is that martin was born though. because as far as i know we never see anything relating to his childhood, does that mean he wasnt descended from the founder humans? definetly an interesting thing to speculate on.

[@angelopizzulli7]

very clever theory about huntress wizard. It totally makes sense

[@whotfuthink]

I, for one am really excited to see what other content you are gonna make in the future. Hope you find another show to cover as in depth as you are doing for adventure time. I'm subscribing c:

[@Ikury_X]

the upside down marcy's house imediately reminded me of that song she and her mom sang "lets go in the garden, you'll find something waiting. right there where you left it lying *upside down* "

[@candlelight5028]

FINALLY I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!

[@eden22.7]

You did a really great job on the huntress theory but the minerva theory fumbled

[@jeshuarestituyo284]

I think baby Finn will become a vampire hunter as he grows and actually save the world to some extent

[@choochooreal4581]

Is the vampire king's will just too strong? Cuz i just realize the vampire king has no signs of being affected by the crown in a negative way like how simon ,gunther and finn was affected

[@cybo_vampire9145]

I chose to believe that because the vampire universe has no Finn, and baby Finn is, I assume, also a reincarnation of a catalyst comet, then baby Finn is gonna grow up and become a vampire hunter in the new vampire universe.

[@kuridragon9099]

finn didn't get left behind at the mercy of the vampires, the vampires are now at the mercy of finn

[@zakaryrichmond396]

simon specifically tells marci "someone else would take care of you theyd be rich and have a mansion" even more so foreshadowing that without him she would be royalty of ooo

[@Rekeronse2543]

I took the upside-down Marcelina house as another tarot reference! Usually if a tarot card is pulled in the “inverse” it takes on the negative characteristics of the cards original qualities!

[@ohno7153]

No sunlight, no forest/nature, therefore no huntress wizard.

[@Robotnikers]

the entire founders island ramble was just you repeating yourself, everything else is awesome

[@m.v.gonzalez5575]

With MS. Abadeer apearing in the F&C universe I was kinda expecting Hudson being summoned in the vampire one, being delighted with this Marcelline and forcibly take her to the nightosphere (killing the vampire king in the process)... But the endidg we got it's cool too, though i'm worried for baby Fin.

[@RoseMultiverse]

I was only disappointed that the crown didn’t alter the Vampire King’s appearance at all.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, this was a very interesting Episode, but it did leave me with some Questions like: How did things go for Baby Finn? Did Bubblegum and The Star die? But most of all, what exactly was the status of The Lich in this Universe?

[@vavalaz]

if we see in the intro, for a few seconds we see baby finn walking in vampire world, so maybe peppermint is training him? we already saw him use a wodden sword in the episode.

[@Toffi-Fay]

Lmfao, just now reading the Simon article 😂, "silly man returns with marginally exciting discovery" Him and Choose Goose has had beef for a millennia 🤣

[@dizzynarutofan100]

10:32 theres no nature left. The source of her magic.

[@joyfulvision]

Honestly, it seems as if marceline did the world a huge favor by getting rid of all the vampires. Waitwaitwait, there were two catalyst comets between the time of marceline helping the humans escape and the season 6 finale, how did the vampires stop both comets?! That’s always been a little thing for me, like how are the catalyst comets stopped in the alternate universes?

[@florians9949]

Simon: you’d be soo much better off without me. The Star: well yes, but you won’t like the alternative.

[@kirbykraftgames]

NGL, even though Huntress died, the shot of the Vampire King holding the dead Huntress looks sick as hell

[@Rekudom]

the chair with the gumball represents how that simon has control of princess bubblegum

[@BrikLikesWaffles]

8:47 I have the answer! In the Ooo universe, around the time of Simon and Marcy the mother gum could be seen around the city. This means that in this universe, the mother gum was here as well. I did see some webs in the background. Big webs, not from a spider.

[@nuker6724]

We also see Grid princess in the episode where Darren and Maja attack the candy kingdom as she is the one that made the forcefield that Rootbeerguy activated before he died

[@LastGamerBreathing]

Vampire king is a surprisingly good dad

[@cocollao]

the marshall-e and garys kiss might represent the first relationship marceline and pb had in adventure time, probably foreshadowing a soon to happen breakup just for them to get together again.

[@XxjeffersonDkidxX]

baby finn will free that dimension from the vampires. i just know he will.

[@lucyl697]

i have beef with the character designers for not giving marshall lee's mom the iconic big cat eyes that hunson abadeer has. it makes her look like a totally different person. you could argue that since shes human she has to have the dot eyes but huntress wizard's human counterpart (hunter) kept his big cat eyes...

[@itsClaptrap]

I think the reason huntress wizard is human but PB is still candy is because Elementals are still a driving force of nature for every dimension its why the Candy Queen had mad candy magic, she was still the candy elemental, she was just crazy. I imagine this soldier PB is still the candy elemental despite the pivot of power in Ooo

[@Justin-Hill-1987]

Bonnibel Bubblegum looks so hardcore dressed as a soldier fighting in a war against the vampires... She looks so tough in a flat top haircut, eye patch, tank top, a dark pink tank top, pink and purple camouflage pants and purple combat boots...

[@Bezaliel13]

Man, I don't get how they made Star look so good. Also, girl crabbit was pretty hot.

[@mitchellsoto3064]

I believe the dream sequence is meant to represent the Inverted The Star tarot card implying that Fiona is losing or has lost faith in herself as seen in the next episode

[@TheGamerninja15]

This episode will give Bubbline shippers PTSD for generations to come

[@_marshP]

If Minerva never existed because Founding Island never existed, wouldn't Martin ALSO never exist?

[@jeanpierre4370]

I only have two questions: 1) What was the wish for this to happen? 2) How did the Vampire King not fall into Madness from the crown?

[@goobeeeer]

he didn't fall to the madness because he's quite literally already completely insane

[@vavalaz]

it doesent have to be a specific wish, it could just be multiverse mess ups

[@TheAdventGamer]

I'm not all that surprised Martin is different in the vampire world then in the original one. Here's a bit of a thought experience. Let's say I was cloned and my clone had all my memories and experiences. Now put that clone in a different world or something. couple years later if I were to meet my clone he and I would be completely different people due to our individual experiences. Kind of the same thing with Martin. Because of his circumstances, his experiences differ drastically from the original world Martin. You could even argue that had Martin not been forced on the raft and was separated from Finn, he'd probably have turned out a much better person. Course this is delving into "Nature vs. Nurture" territory. Same thing with Marceline. Without Simon's guidance and being raised by the Vampire King, she became a far more evil person, selfish person. Our experiences are what shape us.

[@chava4809]

Anyone else notice that Marcy’s star necklace is a Magen Star? ✡️

[@Senkerly_senkerson]

I think the upside down house is referencing how bats sleep upside down, as there a cave ceiling.