Revealing the DNA evidence - Who killed Bob Crane?

[@welcometogreenaquasglen1846]

I blame the police. They handled the investigation so badly it's no wonder the killer got away.

[@dks13827]

Scottsdale police.

[@totsmini3105]

@Welcome to greenqua's glen ~ REPORTED;- ''Late in the hearing, in fact, an exasperated Judge Martin warned that a jury may be hard-pressed to convict Carpenter because of what he called "sloppy work" by police: mishandling, misplacing and destroying evidence, including the crucial speck of tissue itself'. ~ Therefore you're Right about the tampering!! ~ www.phoenixnewtimes.com/film/the-bob-crane-murder-case-part-three-6425779

[@bkkorner]

The killer is probably dead by now.

[@bufnyfan1]

Scottsdale police had handled one murder in the 5 years prior to the Crane murder. They simply weren't experienced or trained enough to handle a murder investigation of this scale. Crane's son said that when he came to the crime scene people were walking in and out/much evidence had been contaminated etc

[@jlbaker2000]

Why do police and detectives always screw up serious high profile investigations? The Jon-Benet one, the O.J. one, and more.

[@Chasstful]

The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that.

[@bill2066]

TRUE DAT

[@ralphmelvin1046]

Exactly 👍

[@bufnyfan1]

Apparently when Carpenter flew back to LA after Crane's murder he stayed at Richard Dawson's home and that's where the detectives reached him. It was well known that Dawson and Crane did not like each other but I don't know if he was somehow involved in this.

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

​@@bufnyfan1Richard Dawson didn't have any part of that. Mainly because I was a friend of his in person, on line and over the phone. He took no part in it he was even shocked that someone murdered him.. Sadly I don't have the ability to go back and find the message is he and I sent back years ago. Richard was very loving he wouldn't have gone out of his way to hurt Crane even though they didn't get along like buddies.

[@charleswest6372]

Incompetent fools

[@tomlehmann306]

They just said one of the samples is too degraded…. That doesn’t prove Carpenters innocence

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

Exactly! You know that if it wasn't too degraded we could probably figure out who had blood spot belongs to... But seeing as to how they managed to not get it done faster than this has come to the point where it's probably going to be almost impossible.

[@meanstavrakas1044]

And it does NOT prove his guilt either, now does it? So unless they have some positive proof that Carpenter is guilty he is INNOCENT! And that's the way American Justice is supposed to work!

[@elizabethcompton738]

My late brother was the mortician who picked up Bob Crane's body. He told me he was appalled by the way the cops screwed up the scene.

[@pattycruz2251]

I visited he's grave site at pierce brothers in Westwood nicecplace great show he played on

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

WHAT!? NO WAY!

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

Congratulations! Oh I mean he was famous for being there. But I'm still sorry that he had to go through this horrible sight

[@laurataylor8179]

The brown suit guy? I'm so thankful you share with us thank you

[@Caddo_Art]

@@PaulLyndeBlue I lived there at the time, and that was the word at the time - that the police bungled it. I myself have no idea. I still think it was Patty by the time she flew in and out.

[@LQOTW]

Would someone please explain to me how a blood sample from another man, and a partial profile sample too degraded to reach any conclusions vindicates John Carpenter? It simply shows that there are two unidentified blood samples - one of a different man and one unable to be identified. That does not mean the degraded sample is not Bob Crane's, does it? My understanding is that the results simply don't show 'conclusively' that the blood belonged to Bob Crane.

[@z2153]

The DNA test would prove guilt, but it wouldn't prove innocence. It was a rental car and the blood could have come from a rental car worker or a customers. People cut themselves all the time.

[@LQOTW]

Brat Meister Aaaaaah, I see. Thank you, Brat Meister (Meister Brat). :-)

[@bowhunterxxx]

You don't have to prove innocence, and even if it was bob's he probably had been in that car at some time. no physical evidence and a weak motive they did not even have a good time of death you could not even convict colonel Klink if he was hanging around that town.

[@danapayne6628]

You sure say even a lot like an idiot. It was rented car, so it wasn't in Carpenter's possession for years.

[@arthuramozorrutia9247]

DC go 7

[@apburner1]

Good sample: John Carpenter?? Bad sample: Bob Crane?? This test does not show that Crane's blood is not present.

[@Chasstful]

Exactly, The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that. 1

[@jimtalor7971]

I lost a classmate decades ago and his murderer was never found,all I can say is that whoever gets away with this on earth will have to answer to the "Boss" upstairs one day.

[@antonioacevedo5200]

I agree. I feel that there are certain cases where God chooses to deal with the perpetrator personally. This appears to be one of those cases.

[@m.kelley1392]

The boss upstairs will be who ever did it will be going downstairs

[@kalel311superman9]

there is no escape from God's justice

[@HickoryBritches]

No boss upstairs. Sorry

[@HickoryBritches]

@@kalel311superman9 God is a fairy tale. Stop believing ghost stories.

[@RabidWolf1966]

"You are discounting the DNA evidence?" No, the DNA evidence was inconclusive. One DNA profile was too degraded to be useful, so that could be Bob Cranes DNA. We will never know.

[@Chasstful]

The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that. 1

[@georgfriedrichhandel4390]

@@Chasstful That's what the prosecution tried to do but it wasn't enough to convict.

[@Chasstful]

@@georgfriedrichhandel4390 Yeah, you're right, there was overwhelming circumstantial evidence but with out modern forensics or enough physical evidence at the crime scene, there could be doubt, not much but enough. No doubt Carpenter was guilty though. The Bob Crane biopic, Auto Focus comes right out identifies him as the killer.

[@georgfriedrichhandel4390]

@@Chasstful I have seen that movie and I would recommend that you take it with a grain of salt. It was based too much on Robert (Zodiac) Graysmith's book "The Murder of Bob Crane" which was written before Carpenter's trial. Carpenter was not innocent; at best he could have been tried as an accessory. But we cannot say with certainty that he was the murderer.

[@stephenjackson7797]

They misstated it. The degraded sample was not good enough to create enough data points to use against any DNA database and get an exact match. However, there are many data points in a DNA sample, and they all must match the person in question. If any single data point does not match, then it's not that person. The degraded DNA's few available data points were enough to say it was not from Crane. So neither sample matched Crane, but only one sample can be used in the future to match to someone, while the other sample cannot be used for finding an exact match.

[@babyblueboy692008]

Rest in peace Bob :(.

[@taroman7100]

Bob got into a sleazy world.

[@jrnfw4060]

@@taroman7100 Yes, but he was intending to turn his life around, showing that he knew his behaviors were dangerous and immoral. He wasn't given the chance to reform his behaviors. We all make mistakes, and Bob finally saw his and wanted to correct himself. I think that says a lot.

[@christopherphillips8027]

This is a mystery that probably will never be solved. I can remember this from 1978. I remember that channel 5 here in NYC (known as WNEW back then) was broadcasting an episode of Hogan's Heroes when the news broke of Bob Crane's death. I pray for Bob Crane's family. Hopefully, one day, his son will get closure on this and have peace.

[@Chasstful]

Carpenter was the killer, no doubt, it couldn't be proven in court but most people know

[@georgfriedrichhandel4390]

@@Chasstful With respect, we don't know that. I'm sure Carpenter was involved in some way but was he the killer? There is no hard evidence linking him to this murder.

[@bufnyfan1]

@@georgfriedrichhandel4390 the only reason there is no "hard evidence" is that the evidence was contaminated by the Scottsdale police who were no better than "Keystone Cops". In addition, there was no such thing as DNA testing in 1978 which would likely have solved this case quickly

[@kramalerav]

@@Chasstful Its easy to get tunnel visioned with circumstantial evidence pointing to one candidate as top suspect. Remember, Arthur Leigh Allen was long thought to be the Zodiac Killer only to much later be ruled out despite strong circumstantial evidence pointing otherwise. Without physical evidence linking the suspect to the crimes, no one can know for certain.

[@FucU4ever]

DNA is solving cases over 50 years old everyday. The antiquated dna process or non existent DNA sequencing from your era is old and outdated, DNA today is amazing, they can get a profile just from touch DNA they dont ever need blood any more... example is the boy in the box case from Pennsylvania solved this year.

[@daleleslie2437]

If one DNA sample couldn’t be identified I don’t see how they can play this as proof.

[@lucy111617]

Yes the same thing I was thinking case hasn't changed dna doesn't show if he did or not do it still don't know who it belongs to so how can they this is major news SMH 😒

[@UberLummox]

Fux News strikes again.

[@danielwebster5748]

I think because the entire case rested on that being Bob Crane's DNA without that there is literally no evidence available that he killed him do I think he killed him it was either him or his soon-to-be ex-wife

[@rickallen6378]

It is proof that excludes Carpenter.

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

​@@rickallen6378we have no idea. Seeing as how they can't go test that extra DNA spot because it's too degraded it'll be most likely impossible (I hope it wouldn't be impossible but it might be) It's either John Carpenter or the soon-to-be ex-wife. That is my gas and that's what everyone else seems to be sticking with

[@TheLeadSled]

First off the Scottsdale PD trampled all over the crime scene with people coming in and out for hours, any evidence there would of been completely contaminated.

[@michaellevan4346]

What new that sate is fill of idiots

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

Yep they fked up ( they weren't even in surgical like outfits either from what it looked like in the videos that I've seen.) I mean if they didn't contaminate everything we would have found out sooner and this wouldn't have happened

[@sunnyclimes4884]

Just seen this. Bob did some sordid things but didn't physically hurt anyone . I remember this on the news when I was visiting the States from the UK ,totally couldn't believe it. So sad for the family.

[@jrnfw4060]

Bob may not have physically hurt anyone, but his activities may have threatened the reputation or livelihood of some of the people he was carrying on with. He had pornographic tapes that, if fallen into the wrong hands, could have been very harmful to someone, maybe more than one participant. There may have been a desperate attempt to retrieve one or more of those tapes. And when that failed, whoever was involved took it out on Bob. OR -- and this cannot be presently ruled out -- his second wife may have had designs on Bob's entire estate which she would have gotten with his death, but NOT with a divorce. She may have been greedy. Did any of those investigators bother to thoroughly check her out -- find out her background, talk to anyone who knew her well -- get some idea of her character? Did they even bother to talk to HER, directly, and get a feel for whether or not she would be truthful with them or lie to them, and observe her body language and other telltale clues she may have given them? What was her emotional state upon learning of Bob's death? These were all things they should have looked into, which may have been quite revealing, had they bothered. Incompetent police work.

[@aznsbd]

If you don't find a Codis match you can also try to trace the DNA through geneology techniques to find the person's relatives.

[@michaelsix9684]

I hope they go that route, find the killer

[@cosplayshop]

I am very interested in this case as Hogan Heroes is one of my most fav TV show, and once I have heard that Bob Crane (Hogan) was murdered, I grew very interested in this, and as a former detective, I am giving some pointer for this case. From the crime scene. Crane's room was unlocked, no forced entry. Which suggest either Crane let the person in, or the person have a keys Crane was killed when he was in his bed and without defensive wound, suggested that Crane trusted the person who killed him. Crane had sex just prior to his death, as white flaky substance was found on his thigh Crane was a voyeur, and display voyeurism behaviour and one of his album was missing, suggesting that whoever killed Crane, knows his Voyeurism habits. Crane was killed by 2 blows to his head with a blunt object, strong enough to create irreparable brain damage. Suggesting it is more likely the prep is a male than female. Crane was struck twice and have a video cord wrap around his neck with deep in print (IIRC it was 3mm deep, i could be wrong), which suggest overkill and suggest the reason for murder is personal. POI I have identified 1.) John Carpenter - Crane friend and wingman in their sexual conquest. Motive is somehow weak, not really buy into the "friendship-turn-sour" murder motive. However, he knows his voyeurism and know where he keep their trophy and this also comes with a suspicious circumstance (Such as the murder weapon is likely camera equipment, and his hired car have some unknown blood stain as well as) 2.) Patricia Annette Olson - Crane second soon to be ex-wife and her son is the sole beneficiary of Crane's estate, have a bad divorce from Crane, she is still married to Crane, motive is high (financial) however, there are alibi issue as she called Crane 4 hours prior to that night from Washington and there are no record of her flying into Arizona. Also, the method of death require a very durable force, not particularly point to being a woman. 3.) Victoria Ann Berry - Crane co-star and rumoured to be involved romantically with Crane, Berry is also the one that found Crane's body. Unknown motive, possible a sexual encounter gone bad (Crane had sex just prior to being murdered). Berry also have a few circumstantial evidence pointing toward her, the way she navigate the room after no one is answering the door as well as the nature of her visit.

[@AllinGold2]

How does this vindicate Carpenter? I don't get it. So, there was no blood transfer in the car. Big deal. That doesn't mean the crime wasn't committed.

[@LuisReyes-pb4dt]

I agree ,I still think Carpenter did it .He was upset the Crane was letting him go.You could see the rage in the way Crane was murdered. This doesnot prove he was innocent

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

When I want to know is how the hell did the blood get in the car in the first place. I saw a picture several years ago where there was 2 long blood spots on the seat of the car ( both of which were parallel. Which supposedly is how he was murdered from a tripod. Tripod legs have bars coming from the top to the bottom and they are in a parallel line if they are folded together. I don't know where that picture went but where ever it went that must be it.

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

​@@LuisReyes-pb4dtagreed

[@xxalphafirexx2633]

"The real killer is still out there!" Remember who else said that?

[@TheBraveIntrovert]

@Sam707BFBC The glove didnt fit..

[@AlbertEinsteinSpock]

@Iranian Bob And the killer who was indoors in the Crane killing was Victoria Berry. She "discovered" the body. Just happened to be tip-toeing into Bob's bedroom, even though they were "platonic friends" according to her.

[@AlbertEinsteinSpock]

@Iranian Bob I hadn't considered that possibility. Are you suggesting a conspiracy involving Burkhalter, Hochstetter and Col. Klink?

[@AlbertEinsteinSpock]

@Iranian Bob Are you suggesting a Burkhalter/Hochstetter/Klink conspiracy?

[@candycane5249]

@Iranian Bob who is that

[@DarkStarAZ]

Great job John Hook. I was an editor at Ch.10 Fox in Phx then ran Master Control and camera at KTVU in Oakland, so did a couple of double takes during this piece. Will be listening to C2Coast AM tonight.

[@robertkess9907]

It's amazing that someone started actually shaving Crane's head right there in the middle of a crime scene, that's mind boggling to me.

[@ivankurtz1909]

That's not unusual for a narcissist with a personality disorder! They generally swing both ways and are chronic stalkers often trimming hair beards amongst other acts having used skeleton keys to let themselves in, while the unsuspecting victim sleeps.

[@aaronz7056]

@@ivankurtz1909 He is talking about the medical examiner!

[@ivankurtz1909]

@@aaronz7056 Righto! Rereading the post I'm aghast to how I missed the obvious point! Was the post edited? I swear it couldn't have been that clear.

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

​@@ivankurtz1909wtf

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

​@@aaronz7056kurtz there is a little on the special side of the human race

[@williambledsoe2940]

Could Carpenter have paid someone else to do the deed? And it's that persons DNA they found in Carpenters rental car, I'll always believe Carpenter either did it or paid someone to do it, Carpenter was guilty!

[@laurataylor8179]

My thought exactly Except it was the wife

[@vccstudents]

This is my theory if the blood in the car is not Bob Crane's. The step-mother and Carpenter worked together and hired a killer who Carpenter drove away in the rental car. The blood, if it isn't Crane's, is the killer's who was injured in the process. Carpenter and Crane's wife were accessories at worst. I'm basing this on the fact that nothing can be conclusively drawn from the blood sample, and the two suspects, Carpenter and Sigrid, have both since died.

[@americanswan]

vccstudents injured in the process...they say he died in his sleep, so there wouldn't be much of a struggle

[@vccstudents]

Maybe one of them hit themselves with the camera tripod. It didn't look like the work of professional killers.

[@saucesgalore]

I'm with you on that.

[@timmclaughlin232]

@@americanswan tri pod was swung with ample force to beat his brains out and pulped cranes head, wouldn't be hard to cut yourself doing it......

[@7555mac]

what was blood doing in his rental car...carpenter is guilty

[@furrburger9051]

What was...?

[@justinley7037]

One person rented the cat before Carpenter. The car only had a little over 300 miles on it. Carpenter is as guilty as the day is long.

[@AlbertEinsteinSpock]

@Matt Nicholson Learn to spell, and we might take you seriously. Carpenter did not do it. Victoria Berry did...she went walking through his apartment, called out his name and continued to walk into his bedroom. And then right up to the bed. She said so herself. I know of no woman short of Wonder Woman who would have the guts to go tromping through a guy's apartment in the dark, let alone his bedroom. How gullible can you get?

[@antonioacevedo5200]

@Stefano Dawg I believe there were something like 7 different parts of the interior of the car that had blood. That is one hell of a coincidence that a good friend of a murder victim would rent a car with the number of blood spots inside it.

[@Chasstful]

Exactly, The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that. 1

[@brownwestmoreland1077]

Bull. I'll go to my grave believing that John carpenter did it. This man said one of the blood samples was too degradatted to have a conclusive answer.

[@gavinowen2263]

I don't know if Bob Cranes' children will ever see this comment ( I really hope they do)..my heart goes out to you..I absolutely love watching hogans heroes mr Crane looked like he was a really awesome dad! In my heart of hearts John Carpenter did it.

[@davef.2811]

Agreed.

[@MegaEvey]

because the rented car had blood on the car door. That is very suspicious. John carpenter knew that bob crane was the hotel.

[@kevinbergin2225]

In the pre-DNA era, of 1979, police collected blood/tissue samples within the confines of the technology of the time. If they had DNA they would most likely have Quality Controls that were different.

[@PaulLyndeBlue]

Well they had no idea what to do saying as to how they only had one incident like this beforehand they didn't know how to go through something this big. They should have called other people to come take a look to at the same time.

[@reneekimball1314]

I don't get why the medical examiner, insisted on coming in and examining Bob instead of protecting the body and evidence to examine at Morgue. Seamen was noticed in Bob's thigh. Detective wanted that seabed and tested. Medical examiner shrugged it off. Doesn't a detective out rank an m.e?

[@odalisgonzalez6875]

The murderer could've been any of the womens husband or boyfriend or a very angry woman. When someone feels so much hatred , he or she is capable of anything.

[@walleye364]

It could have been but how many would have known where he was staying?

[@deanarupe73]

The blood evidence does NOT vindicate John. There are 2samples. One has a doner match. One doesn't. They tested the blood samples back in 78 for blood type. And what do you know? There was a match to Bob crane. Now, there's still a 50/50 chance that bob is still the second doner. To say this vindicated John, just says that you're a simpleton.

[@Warrior99980]

Have you submitted those two DNA samples into the National Database?

[@DarkStarAZ]

they said CODIS was the next step

[@TrojanJustin]

Of course the cop is like "Nope, no chance im wrong." As if thousands of innocent people haven't been wrongfully convicted because of a stubborn cop with tunnel vision.

[@charleswest6372]

Cops are morons.

[@jrnfw4060]

An arrogant cop who never wanted to admit he could be wrong. Those kinds of people should NEVER be allowed to serve in law enforcement.

[@jdraven0890]

I know it's unsatisfying, but still no conclusive evidence has yet been presented that John Carpenter was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So the jury indeed did the right thing.

[@susanbarthelow1796]

As an RN and a BIOLOGY STUDENT majoring in epidemiology and serology I can tell you that BECAUSE you do not have a CONCLUSIVE RESULT YOU HAVE NOT EXCLUDED ANY ONE INCLUDING CARPENTER. Mr Carpenter continues to be the target of focus for the public. And remember, if anyone involved has had an organ donation of various types particularly kidney/liver, their blood typing/serology, will not match the blood type serology of their organs. And I don’t buy the woman idea. His wife was the only other suspect and the lawyer is still tying to get his client off from the grave. When there is not enough blood to identify the person you can’t conclude a person was not there based on that specimen.

[@michaelsix9684]

Bob Crane's three children never got anything from their dad's estate, very sad

[@katecarlisle8383]

Did I miss something, is it normal to have blood on the inside of your car?

[@coltsfan69]

What about the photo of part of skull in His car?

[@georgfriedrichhandel4390]

That is not true. What happened is that in 1990, when the DA ordered this case reopened, the police found a photograph allegedly containing the blood sample found in Carpenter's rental car. Since the police no longer had the original sample, they resorted to showing the photo to various forensic pathologists to see if they believed the sample in the photo could contain blood tissue. One pathologist stated that the sample in the photo might even contain brain tissue. It was on the strength of that opinion that the police arrested Carpenter.

[@piperalpha5514]

At 2:20 Carpenter’s attorney states he took an objective view of the evidence... A defence lawyer taking an objective view? I’ve got to find a priest to administer the last rights to the truth.

[@leglessinoz]

The DNA doesn't show that it was him but it also doesn't exclude him.

[@zimmy4868]

Thank you! I’m glad that at least one other person in this comment section knows how to interpret these results.

[@ronshuman7656]

i think carpenter sent a women to seduce him,they fell asleep..she let him in she left he kill crane..sneaked out.

[@xxalphafirexx2633]

ron shuman Great, reasonable theory.

[@benbricker890]

ron shuman very good conclusion, can you imagine if that night was on camera, case closed

[@jszoradi8650]

Could be

[@kevinbergin2225]

Bring more people into it and leave open the possibility of a deathbed confession?

[@candycane5249]

It could be that victoria berry and John carpenter

[@theRealBrandonRoberts1990]

If John Carpenter didn't Kill Bob Crane then who did?

[@theBIGColon]

Did they ever think of who had keys to the apartment because it was not a forced entry

[@fififloyd]

The son said there was a key missing after his step mother turned up on Father's Day with their son looking for money. He thinks she did it.

[@MgtowRubicon]

There is a photograph of a small amount of material that appears consistent with brain matter in the Carpenter car that was not collected by the incompetent police.

[@DJRitty]

Look at how he was killed. He's been chocked out with a cord then bludgeoned. Yikes. Doesn't that say two people? One choking him with the cord and the other hitting him. Who did what? Why would she strangle him? I could see him strangling bob for who knows why - maybe after a fight ensues and then the woman whacks with the tripod..? I haven't reviewed any evidence....it just all sounds suspicious and a total act of sudden rage or something...

[@stevelindsay220]

There was some thing incriminating in the stolen photo album. The chord around his neck was severing ties. I think bob told him he was cutting ties with him ( Carpenter ) & he felt used.

[@bisp2581]

omg that dna had to be so contaminated.

[@furrburger9051]

Omg...

[@majorlagg9321]

The degraded sample does not vindicate John Carpenter.

[@sha11235]

Bob Crane's son reminds me of Truman Capote with his glasses.

[@wraith20072007]

What if Bob Crane had a woman he met near his apartment in Scottsdale, invited her to come back to his place got involved and she was a married woman...married to a police officer or detective and that officer or detective killed Crane for having sex with his wife and filming her and Bob and then tried to frame Carpenter knowing he hung around Bob Crane but didn't think about DNA testing seeing it was in it's infancy but when DNA started to be taken in account someone protecting that officer or detective in the department on purpose lost, destroyed or contaminated blood evidence keeping this an unsolved case till people decide to give up and blood evidence slowly degrade, and that might also explain where the photo album went missing since the police first showed up took it placed it in the trunk of one of their squad cars to hide the officer or detectives wife being in some of the photo's in the album if that not being the case...then I say carpenter is guilty.

[@michaelangelo8001]

Could be right...

[@candycane5249]

That's so could be your pretty smart that sounds like something that could be true it had to be because of a sex tape picture of some sort and sorry but I just can't go around and film and take pictures of women and think it's ok but then again didn't Carpenter do the same shit why didn't anyone bash his brains in unless crane was doing something else with the pics maybe selling them and Carpenter got wind of it and he got mad because men would pay a lot for a celebritys naked pic or he was with some one if there pic would have got out to the public would have ruined them idk you're s sounds better lol

[@rocker76m88]

Sounds very likely

[@HickoryBritches]

Blood in the car. Not a normal happening. Where do they think it came from?

[@erikmolnar6585]

So is it John's "touch DNA" mixed with Bob's (unknown DNA)? I heard that was a new car? Wouldnt the rental company clean any bloodstains or note them on the pre rental inspection? I still think Crappie did it :&)

[@slapol]

I have come upon this by chance. I never knew this happened to this famous actor. I hope some clever person will resolve this for the sake of his family.

[@Tracey..H]

DNA don’t match, there’s no guilt there. A court of law w lots of evidence said not guilty. Can it possibly someone else!?

[@rullmourn1142]

How tf did the cops lose that car.

[@michaelsix9684]

too bad we didn't have the forensic science then that we have now - it would make it much easier to solve this case

[@aaronz7056]

And at this moment, any hope of every solving this case probably went out the window forever.

[@DarrylRuiz-s1w]

It was a rental car it could have been from anyone a mechanic a previous renter it does not clear Carpenter

[@richardwebb8203]

The "Chain of Evidence" was broken....the car was found in New Mexico??? How many people were in that vehicle since this murder? How many other people bled in that vehicle? How many times was it cleaned since the murder? Because the evidence wasn't preserved properly, how can you put any weight on it?

[@Chasstful]

Exactly! The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that.

[@rogwarrior1018]

So, if the one DNA profile is too degraded could it be Crane's? It's pretty weird.

[@PapagenoMF]

Just heard John Hook interviewed on the Most Notorious Podcast. Great speaker and fascinating case.

[@vincestar5537]

I don't know what the little picture is that you put it might be an eyelash but I was trying to rub it away from my screen and I was duped you put that there on purpose haha that was funny I got duped.....lol.... I thought it was a hair and I was trying to blow it away.....lol

[@bentonmckinney5454]

To the Crane family I pray that you get justice and peace ì enjoyed Bob Crane's work and he is missed God bless you

[@Traillblazer]

I doubt the killer was a woman. If it was then she must have been very strong to bash his skull in!!!

[@yellowbmblbee]

even a woman scorned, hopped up on an 8-ball? Easy to do if he's passed out, drunk...bash away....

[@heretodaygonetomaui3567]

rockin ... idiot

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

I always hate it when people make ignorant comments like this. I see it on cop shows all the time - Oh, she's a woman, there's no way they would have the strength to pick up a baseball bat or a pipe. It's ridiculous! It doesn't take strength to pick up a tripod and bash someone's head in. Especially someone who was sleeping.

[@kriskiritsis3983]

Missy Victoria He drank alcohol. Why else do you hang out at bars ?

[@kriskiritsis3983]

I suppose you knew him?!?

[@brooksbrown580]

The Police in 1978 were in no way capable of identifying the killer, they dropped the ball, made serious mistakes, acted like incompetent beginners,

[@JoseRodriguez-qd5cu]

Can Carpenter proof that he was not at the seen? Or can Carpenter be an accomplice to Crane murder?

[@kellikwindshawne7515]

SPD should all be fired for their shitty handling of the case

[@ElleCee62978]

This is just Robert David (please note not Bob Crane Jr) Crane’s attempt to slander Patti. John Carpenter did it.

[@jamesgibbs6970]

Just because there were other DNA profiles in Carpenter's car doesn't mean that he didn't kill Bob Crane. Maybe he just didn't track into DNA from the crime scene into his car. Also, the police weren't looking for DNA. They just found a few blood spots, which could have come from another event.

[@candycane5249]

Sorry if I had a rental car and I bleed all over it trust me I would have cleaned it up that's nasty people could get aids from that I could never kill I don't like blood and it's to much work lol lol

[@karlachasteen1068]

Well There Won't Be Anyone Who Will Know If It Was One Of The Cast Members...

[@saucesgalore]

inconclusive.

[@douglasthompson9482]

In my heart it has to be John Carpenter....poorly handled.

[@fordfairlane662dr]

Will we ever know who really killed Bob Crane?

[@lisacurnow3524]

Why was he killed? What was the killer's motive?

[@johnnyrogers5066]

Jealousy

[@edwardreichard3852]

Disagree , Bob was probably killed by a husband of one of his girls

[@DennisSullivan-q2r]

Not to be confused with the director John Carpenter. This accused Carpenter died in 1998.

[@annabrooker-hyderbrooker-h4644]

Why is Rick Romley there....?? My husband, Charles Hyder, was D.A. when Crane was murdered........

[@catinahat40]

I do believe it was a woman. The 2nd wife. I have no doubts. When someone is angry enough, they have strength unknown to them. It is very possible she bashed his skull in.

[@DJRitty]

It's TWO women. One strangled him with the cord the other beat him with the tripod. They prob were gonna kill John too but he was late that night...maybe not. Maybe it was just meant for crane. They were probably after a tape. John showed up eventually before 4, found bob and ran off. He didn't admit to being there cuz it's place ONLY him at the scene of a murder. I don't think he did it - they a good thing going on. If he found the body, grabbed his head...there you go with the blood in the car. It's actually very easy to see imo... They prob all had sex, he went to bed - they went looking for the tape, he got up and shit got out of hand and they ended up killing him. With the strangling and bludgeoning - police should have looked for women he knew that showed up for work with a black eye the next day.

[@glenncrane1651]

Never know Bob jnr but there was a male in the condo because the samples were never taken

[@kjnest]

He knew his client??? Ha ha they all say they are innocent!

[@maudelynn1728]

This DOES not exclude him. They cannot discount the degraded blood sample. Wow, who paid these guys off to say this?

[@markpippens6015]

If the blood is not from Crane then who the hell is it from ??

[@RFKFANTS67]

I don't know what they would find out if they exhumed Carpentar and Crane nowdays with the advances in forensics?

[@michaelsix9684]

I suspect it was a mob hit, nothing was taken, there was no break in, somehow the killer got in without a struggle

[@juliejensen7370]

It was possibly a hit man.

[@richardzion1828]

I feel sad,for his son,He didn,t deserve that!

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Who would have blood in their car? Carpenter wasn't a doctor, so whose blood was it?

[@davef.2811]

Blood was probably from the tripod he took from the scene and threw on the seat next to him as he left and drove away. Close-up photo of one blood deposit looks like it was slung on there from a moving object.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

@@davef.2811 good catch

[@CaptainSpalding72]

What was the motive? Did Crane owe him money? Did they have a night of homosexual activity, Crane said no to anymore and Carpenter became jealous building slowly to the eventual end?

[@candycane5249]

Nope Carpenter did it for his wife she had something to do with it her or victoria berry

[@KDSima]

So, the jury thinks that John Carpenter did it, but they acquitted him. I expect police to be that immovable, but the juror? Kudos to Bob Crane’s son. Also, the degraded sample can be redone by a better lab. Also, y not send it to an ancestry company. Yes, kind of expensive, but……

[@danielrosas5685]

This is really bad. I was hoping finally there was a closing to this case. I think it should be someone that didn't like the serie that he was working on. But there are more people working on the same series' Stalag XIii. RIP. We still watch this program. Very funny always. We still miss you and every one on the series. See you all in heaven. Amen

[@jklxn]

if the 2nd profile was too degraded they cannot conclusively say it is NOT Bob Cranes. carpenter possibly sent someone in...jealous husband??

[@furrburger9051]

If the...Carpenter...

[@smackdab490]

Mr. Plumb, in the bedroom with the candlestick.

[@MahlonEdwards]

Oh...are you giving clues...

[@smackdab490]

Always

[@Road_Rash]

But who does the degraded sample belong to? This is still inconclusive...it only rules out one person, but the 2nd profile we still don't know...we only know that one of two profiles don't match...granted, that's more than we had before, but still inconclusive...

[@williamgregory6684]

And what about the defendant who has had his life and reputation ruined and slandered??? All of these people have slandered this man on public TV(not just the police). This man could have easily died just from complications from STRESS!!! Do the police and prosecutng attorney really give a shit??? I think not!!!

[@jureartac3745]

The title should be " Who did not kill Bob Crane?"

[@DarkClouds-v8]

Why was there blood in the car in the first place? Weird timing

[@apriltorres3684]

I was wondering if John Carpenter killed Bob Crane because he refused his advances. The cord wrapped tightly around Bob's neck could indicate some type of S/M game gone wrong?? The police noticed semen on Bob's thigh but the medical doctor dismissed the need to collect the evidence. I do believe John Carpenter did commit this unspeakable crime. The last theory I have is someone knew about that one photo album and argued with Bob about it and then killed him ( and if that's the case,then perhaps the semen was Bob's.

[@jlbaker2000]

Wait. If the DNA was too degraded to determine the identity, and inconclusive, it could still be Crane's or Carpenter's, right?

[@triciajohansen3027]

Put the profile in CODIS. Could they have checked for XX or XY in the blood?

[@bobwhite3895]

you cant screw everybody's girl friends and wives without consequences, could have been anybody.

[@eileenmclaughlin985]

U NOE. IN. MY HEART THAT. CASE. IS. UN SOLVED. BECAUSE. MAYBE. JOHN. CARPTNER. DID. HIS FAMILY. EVEN SAID IT. OMG REALLY. SAD CASE😠😠😠😰

[@carolineullrich7323]

So, let john Carpenter RIP now. You all were so sure "yes" it was Bob Cranes blood. It wasn't. It did belong to a male, actually from what it sound like it was from 2 people, one had a clear reading but they don't know who. 2nd one unreadable. So you all were wrong.

[@haiwatigere6202]

Innocent

[@TheSilvergold45]

I don't buy this . Carpenter did this barbaric act on Bob Crane.. If you look at his suspicious phone calls after the murder these are not the acts of an innocent man.. Not even asking the police why they are there in Bob's apartment when he called there.. CARPENTER IS GUILTY AS HELL.. He had the means .. motive and opportunity !!!! BIGTIME !!

[@davef.2811]

Why did Carpenter go and hide out at Dawson's house after the murder and then lie about it to the po lice?

[@MoonOverYou]

@@davef.2811 They were close friends, according to Dawson. Who knows~they may have acted in tandem.

[@mexcanfun4300]

It was col.Clink

[@Deke1]

It was Sargent Shultz.....

[@rotunda57]

Nope. Schultz passed 5 years before Crane.

[@Deke1]

rotunda57 John Banner passed away five years before Crane's death, but Sargent Shultz is still ALIVE and always will be!!!!!!!

[@shananagans5]

lol Is was Clink in the library with the candlestick.

[@shooshoodemoo2610]

shultz saw NOTHING and knows NOTHING!!!

[@danielrosas5685]

WHY THEY DON'T CALL TERESA CAPUTO AND TYLOR TO SOKVE THIS CRIME IT'S LONG ENOUGH. RIP

[@SCHRUBBE1966]

This does not say he’s not the killer