[Review] Apdo's Orianna vs Rookie's Irelia Challenger KR

This is a game review done on livestream of a replay from Apdo's mid Orianna gameplay vs Rookie's Irelia. It's a very good game because a rare thing occurs where a player wins lane, whilst at the same time falls behind in exp/gold.
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[@CNNevermind]

ls has more apm in Vod Reviews then i have in my actual games

[@martinturna197]

than*

[@martinturna197]

Concon vaf he is not showing off, wtf..?? its the same as if you had chronic coughing and someone would say that you are showing off your coughing for attention

[@pauledwards2052]

... ? Coughing is at all comparable to spamming buttons? 404 brain not found

[@Zaxstar007]

blamegoogleforallowingmetohavethislongname Yaoi! whatch every othrr streamer on his opinion on ls.... they all mention how cringe he is trying to showofff tha he has high apm and he is a genious or some sort

[@jagosvujovic2086]

pretty sure he said its a bad habit of his, and the reason why he does it is because he used to be a starcraft 2 pro (rts game which requires high apm)

[@muhammedarif1000]

Whenever you’re uploading this kind of content i’m getting excited seriously!! Always exciting to learn stuff from you

[@NT-kr6dn]

35:31 alright coach btw

[@FuseiYudo21]

I struggle a lot with wave management. Mainly because i'm not routined enough to be able to think about it while laning (csing, trading, watching minimap). But it's very interesting to watch this to get a general idea of wave management.

[@DarkwingDuc]

That's why onetricking is good for improving.

[@sangwonkim9298]

Yea ~ 1 tricking makes so much easier when it comes to wave manipulation and map reading ~since im the 1 trick The higher you get in elo the harder it is too kill and less worth to trade in lane and map becomes the most ultimate tool to get ahead so u may want to work on that area

[@FuseiYudo21]

sadly one tricking is not fun for me, so i will hover around low plat for eternity :P

[@sssss-zk9oo]

Play Jayce top for a bit, wave management is basically 90% of the lane for Jayce.

[@ChuinYih]

No, take the annie treatment, you will have 0 advantage in lane and u will need to learn how to earn it, unlike a certain champ with range and 2 spells lvl1 that any champ have to pay respect to in the laning phase.

[@Alexander-tw9fw]

31:30 i like that ls has enough balls and, most importantly, knowlage, to say that apdo does a mistake. And LS can actually proove it. That's rare thing, guys. It really is.

[@fspc4]

Yep, this guy is something else

[@TehIdiotOne]

I think this VOD especially explains a whole lot of how wave management works, with a few assumptions of knowing how creeps and aggro works.

[@Skimbleshanks73]

Only by watching this vod like 5 times I improved my Gameplay immensely

[@johnxinasupremeleader]

"Gragas is not a huge fan, Gragas is a big fan" -LS, 2018

[@zan6585]

Daniel Simonson i love that shit lol

[@Alexmw777]

is this a reference to something

[@MetalFire1998]

@@Alexmw777 its a reference to the fact that gragas is fat

[@soup4001]

@@Alexmw777 gragas name is "Hugefans"

[@TheWarmestWaffle]

THIS IS THE CONTENT I LOVE. Thank you, LS.

[@farleydbear]

14:20 tell me how irelia had vision of a minion while inside graves smokescreen

[@idonotmakevidsyet]

Apdo would go tanky on any champion lul

[@caesar1512]

Every Orianna players that I've played with in my solo queue games 36:18

[@NotThatGui]

9th Doctor epic

[@andrehillbrands3137]

He maybe thought the blade returning to Shen was his ball so he could ult himself. Still a bad idea since he was dead anyways. idk :D

[@ПшышекПршажеков]

I saw Apdo does it, so must be advanced Orianna tactics

[@fadiji3]

That was probably a glitch/bug the ball is never that far away from you or at least not in my case it usually returns before that

[@RedOli84]

Its not a glitch/bug, you koreaboo fanboi

[@c.toobitz7566]

Damn I really enjoy these kind of videos, glad to see you're doing more reviews lately.

[@phantomxh9226]

LS at around 9:00 with the “bad trade” rookie took. If I’m not mistaken he missed his q reset on the minion so he couldn’t q dopa at all. Let me know what you think of that

[@VeZzE1337]

It would be even worst trade if he used q there, he just said that it was bad coz he went for a trade there instead of just stun take cs back out.

[@phantomxh9226]

VeZzE1337 i disagree respectfully. I think Bc he had 2 kills double buffs and if he hit his q on that minion. If you’ve played new irelia, you can q him and q out to the melee, or q him auto q again and walk out and dopa will get a lot of autos but I still think the damage would go in rookie’s favor.

[@VeZzE1337]

I play her a lot since rework she is so fun, and I never disagreed with you on that, i too am sure dmg would go in rookie's favor but what i had in mind was that him being chunked from before would completely deny him lane if they both got in a bigger trade. One thing i didn't take into account is him having buffs which would balance it and let him regen, so it would be just whatever.

[@phantomxh9226]

VeZzE1337 ahhh I see. I totally forgot. That is a good point. But yeah with the buffs I think it would draw dead even.

[@ChuinYih]

What LS is trying to emphasise is to not give apdo the lane he wants, freeze especially when you are ahead. Even if rookie went in with a clean q auto q out trade, the minions would stop hitting each other and targets irelia instead. Irelia wins the short trade, but loses the lane as apdo will be able to perma freeze it, which is what happened and got him back in the game.

[@aneffortinhappiness]

Could you include a screenshot of the runes in future videos? I would have loved to know exactly what Apdo picked here. I know you mentioned Grasp but I would like to know what the rest of them are, if possible

[@xPorsum]

I just realized why I'm silver and it's depressing

[@henrique-3d]

Why u are silver?

[@trevor7234]

@19:44 HE STOLE THE SKUTTLE... omg

[@cakestial]

Hey I am stuggling to see what makes a lane won if you are down xp, gold, and kills. It seems to me that apdo made the best of the lane he could while rookie did not capitalize on his advantage. I have seen videos in which if you are behind, and you feed the enemy laner you should make sure you both share the same relevance. Ie pushing wave in to tower or denying xp/gold when the enemy roams. Is that what apdo is doing? Is he making him and rookie share the same relevance?

[@crashhappy7296]

"Apdo now in bottom lane.... is trolling."

[@giorgisxiladze1]

good job, I liked analyzing this game more than even matchup with faker because here we can see him actually playing lane from behind and still managing to win the lane which is something that's really hard. Great Job LS

[@WarringFighter]

giorgi sxiladze important thing here was than the enemy made so many mistakes which fed the hypercarry S tier jg too

[@martinturna197]

do more of these please!!! love you nick :)

[@DantasProfile]

They keep pressing to gain vision control and enemy's jungle farm . When the objective's respawn, they will have fully control of them, you should' learn with then .

[@Aaron-yu3yn]

hell yeah, LS. these are awesome. thanks for posting

[@ssbmgosu4990]

Good review. You can also see that they have a lot of Respekt for dopa and that they are scared. As soon as something is going on shen directly mid, yasuo directly mid. Then this greedy tower dive which wasn’t that stupid because all they wanted was to put dopa as behind as possible because they know if he gets in its over. That’s why that game plays around mid so heavily. Also that graves pretty much fucked his lane I know a lot of ppl who would have rage quitted losing such a big wave.

[@mytha6310]

Can you do any learning toplane videos or vod reviews focusing on toplane?

[@FlammaVulpes]

This makes me realize two things: - KR challengers are really on another level - I might be breathing and clicking wrong and would have probably amassed other a quadrillion mistakes over this game had I been playing as either Orianna or Irelia

[@hiimtom3972]

With some mid champs taking grasp, what do you think of Annie with grasp since aa is outrageous long ? Maybe with inspiration cookie and time warp and initial buy is seal with refill

[@ilovepiemore6506]

I dont think it would be too good, since grasp is used as more of a defensive key stone, while annie is an aggressive laner

[@TexasRedOutlaw]

31:00 I think Apdo was trying to cut off Yasuo and Shen's escape route, if he got his full rotation off on atleast one of them, they would be CC'd enough for his team to catch them and he gains more gold and priority on mid then if he was to shove. In the end, he didn't make it in time, so the correct call would be to shove, but I think most people would of pathed up to help a fight, as you don't know the outcome is certain at that point.

[@andreasdelacoux1319]

I really enjoyed this review because it trully demonstrates how even the best make mistakes

[@HabibiGa1z]

LS when apdo takes a shit "ahh, what an outplay, i like it so much" zz

[@Agonell1]

Would love to see more Jungle reviews when you get a chance, its some good stuff!

[@BigPlanetful]

I have seen some weird mistakes i never saw him do. Are we sure 100 % it's him???

[@WarringFighter]

i know it’s a three month old comment, you can check the champion pool, and ur right, but even rookie played very sloppy, they’re still humans, prob tilted from early on

[@EE12345]

Yes its him. Faker Dopa and Rookie make mistakes. Only people that only watch Midbeast videos and Dopa highlights think he always plays perfectly.

[@Xuejinyuan]

Might be alittle late on this but one thing that alot of pros agree on is that Apdo makes people do very uncharacteristic things, mistakes that would be strange. It's probably due to the frustration that comes with his wave management and the feeling that you're slowly getting choked out. Not winning lane even though you're ahead is pretty tilting. Just a thing I heard about.

[@WarringFighter]

@@Xuejinyuan i dont know about that thing on apdo specifically, but i agree that when you feel annoyed and tilted in lane you begin to make dumb mistakes and force unnecessarily aggressive plays, so i can kinda see what u mean

[@Xuejinyuan]

@@WarringFighter Yeah just a thing I remembered about him. Laning against people like that are the most tilting lol.

[@Iznikroc]

Rookie going for that early solo kill and dying, that is from playing in China for so long.

[@nocollide6459]

5:47 crazy how 1 second can change the pace of the game like that; very interesting.

[@cameronmarler6223]

Lol @ 34:53 "What is graves damage?" *One-shots Gragas*

[@jakemitchell3212]

Keep 'em coming! Awesome content.

[@Fotig]

shouldnt graves have ulted at the gank around min 13?

[@AbirZenith]

A VOD REVIEW! Holy hell!

[@Hitori06]

Gragas is not a huge fan. Gragas is a big fan. LOL

[@Seymour101]

This might seem like a dumb question but how do you find apdo's smurfs or accounts that he's boosting i guess , last i heard he received a 1000 year ban is to be banned on sight . Does he even stream league , or do people just wait for an 80% winrate random to emerge from soloq ?

[@elwynjohn7444]

Seymour Im pretty sure ls said that he thinks it's apdo based on how unique the player is in terms of ability and playstyle. Could be wrong

[@Seymour101]

Yeah but that's after he finds the game , he doesnt have time to watch the game of every plaer on the korean challenger ladder to determine which one is apdo . Or maybe the game was sent to him that's what would make more sense .

[@yago4316]

Apdo is known to play the champions this account is playing, and with his winrate + the [little] time he took to get to challenger, is pretty obvious

[@Seymour101]

Yeah so basically what i said , you just wait for someone to come up with an insane winrate . Also the champion argument is not a good one , while he might be known for his zed , tf and kassadin , apdo is known to play literally every role to near perfection so the champs are irrelevant .

[@Seymour101]

That clears things up thanks , although i don't think the part about him being able to play on other servers is correct , he was to be banned on sight , they didn't ban an account specifically , they banned the player for elo-boosting so i'm pretty sure that if he starts streaming on his Chinese account everyday it'll get banned as well , which is why he's not really communicative about it what account he's playing on .

[@hmmm8850]

Hi man, can we review some top laners too?

[@rayaqin]

you can see the kills on the timeline, im sceptical about some of the fight predictions

[@kraidy97]

would be nice if you show the whole rune page at the start of each game

[@TheBrettonia]

also at start apdo uses ignite too early instead of waiting for graves to gain some ground, that ends up spooking rookie and saving his life and everything else happening

[@wr8196]

what switches are those? blues?

[@asch220]

Trys to save with boots then tier two boots hahaha

[@oontaa7765]

Aske Mix delete this your gold v 0 lp is showing

[@paragonviolet1719]

Aske Mix He explained after why he thought he had teir 2.... 😐

[@shadowmuurheru]

I watch these videos to learn, I really enjoy picking up new game knowledge but I struggle so much keeping up and understanding a lot of the stuff especially the minion wave dynamics in the early level snd how they affect the lane state 😣😣😣 How can I understand this stuff better and faster

[@Lanmir]

Leaguecraft101 is a good place to start. Also, look up wave management guides. The internet has many answers. Dont just ask questions. Use this tool to find your answers and put in the work to improve!

[@momo28341]

MORE OF THIS ! PLEASE!

[@baberaham]

You know you're Korean when you say "eat this wave" or "eat that wave". I used to say that in chess like "I'm going to eat your pawn". Careful LS, your hair will turn black and your eyes will get smaller.

[@naveslaikss]

what i learned is that graves is fucking broken as fuck, never trade with that fucker unless u in the majority. also the fatal flaw in LS analysis is that wants them to make moves like a 5 map team with voice communication, spreading out and all being on the same page. in solo q that will almost never happen. most likely they just want to push out everything and go for objectives over doing some crazy 1x1x3 or whatever kind of split

[@zan6585]

“Gragas is not a huge fan, he’s a big fan.” Lmao

[@otavioluciano2672]

so Trud is confirmed apdo finally

[@hriohhuihiuh4379]

Didn't Apdo get banned

[@mike-yk4yk]

I don't agree that apdo "won" the lane but I believe he played it much better than rookie. Rookie won the lane because of how fucked apdo was early on (through no fault of his own). Apdos wave manipulation is always sexy af

[@drewferguson8324]

I 100% would have INSTA FLASHED that shit.

[@nkrav7160]

Me eyeing the rune choices here in 2021: "WHAT ARE THOOOOSEEEE???"

[@94Quang]

You seem to forget the enemy jungle in many ways, why rookie randomly dived. If you don't know why he's doing it, and see gragas in the back, you should really gather your mind...

[@WarringFighter]

House Meister ya ur right, i was confused too when he said that, rookie shoulda prob waited a bit longer, but ya he dived because of grag

[@justanasian5747]

What does he use to draw onscreen

[@ivarbosmans4980]

Epic Pen

[@krakatoadude4231]

Apdo end losing despite playing the lane a lot better than Rocky. Interesting for him

[@Infinite_War]

12:20 LS is such a fucking troll ahahahahah. God I hope that was intentional.

[@josephmckenney-barschall864]

hey a replay bug! when you pause the cooldown timers continue to tick down

[@ziggymogaming2726]

It's kinda cute how insecure he got when he misjudged irelias location after her back. You were very close friend no worries lol

[@TheRagingWade]

Rookie's China is showing.

[@cilium655]

Why is he using Windowed mode ?

[@HoodieOfLegends]

LS any reason you don't love bot lane, give me that young AD knowledge

[@kyolin3875]

Wait till that role becomes relevant

[@Alexander-tw9fw]

Thanks for the video i really enjoyed that!

[@Le_Samourai]

36:04 SCUTTLE CRAB AND THE BUFFS MAN

[@dossws]

im still watching this btw.

[@Scawtsauce]

At rox

[@Natrium9775]

Imo graves and ori not tilting after the first gank was pretty nice. Even after that setback graves was able to get fed with activly looking for opportunitys..if only soloq would be like this elsewhere where people "gg surr 15" after dying once

[@magicggst]

Ls "this is good, orianna they are running away, and things are *ori dies to yasuo* awful, absolutely horrible, he didn't flash look at the xp and gold he missed"

[@HerbaceousM8]

bot pings a bit late? bot pings go down when ori starts that long trade mid

[@jgf9105]

Coach btw

[@qactus4031]

Isn't Orianna like giga-bad right now? Geniuenly asking.

[@coopercapello2432]

Mateusz Małolepszy not particularly.... LS often talks about the status of orianna and such other champions with “perfect kits”... meaning that their abilities perfectly maintain their effectiveness and ability to hold their own. HOWEVER.... the problem is the other midlaners that simply outclass immobile control mages such as ori. Difficult to justify instalock with her when there are champions that do what she does and better. + that being said... ori will never be a BAD champion unless her scalings get nerfed to hell

[@YTCrazytieguy]

thank you LS

[@AbirZenith]

I never realized how Greedy Rookie was, goddamn

[@Alexander-tw9fw]

36:34 shit happens even to the best of us... btw rookie is dead too ahahah. Two best midlaners in the world can do blunders too.

[@Hellionx2]

How do you even manipulate lanes this well though... freak shit

[@yes1810]

When mid last hits scuttle xd

[@_Albret]

apdo makes pro players look bad and i love it

[@MrShadowFazer]

Everytime i watch a video of LS i imediately play a ranked game and win, its like gaining IQ wtf

[@thomasgaudin2725]

min 9 it's just irelia missing a Q reset, was unfortunate, she would have destroyed orianna actually. Rookie is playin this lane pretty well

[@sathariel3231]

DAN-GER

[@joshuamak9930]

12:22 that face tho O_o

[@SoaresGameplays-wj6qe]

Que aula! Hugs from BR

[@mauro_weee]

this is really usefull

[@quasar2880]

yea but apdo/rookie dont compare to donjake tssk

[@josephsabry5005]

So THIS is how you play yasuo

[@sumonok7258]

Dude you are actually insanely wise at the game wtf xd

[@magics902]

Apdo now in bottom lane... is trolling. End VIDEO.

[@kensen09]

Guys runes for this plz?

[@ivarbosmans4980]

Grasp Bone Plating Chrysalis Overgrowth Time Warp Tunic Magical Footwear / Minion Dematerializer

[@lelekos9103]

All this in a 20 Lin game

[@stomedyfan5840]

Y does the pronounce things weirdly

[@TheOmar291992]

Can this guy admit when he is wrong... dude, you can get confused...

[@TheSnowcomputer]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZuWeaeObrtngqc what ya mean

[@yourunemployedfriendat2pm]

He does admit it when hes arguing against someone with credentials not some random plat in twitch chat

[@zandafolf]

@@yourunemployedfriendat2pm >credentials >league coach I played starcraft lemme just fuck with my keyboard while I tell my stream of boosted idiots what is happening in the game we are both watching. Now please hire me to flame 17-20ish year old koreans for 8 hours a day. Coach by the way. Did I mention I used to be a master hearthstone player my name is LS

[@milk8979]

@@zandafolf someone's projecting lmao

[@xlonukxyo6794]

He's challenger in Korea btw. I'd say he knows what he's talking about.

[@pastinshame5543]

More pls

[@tyleringram251]

I have a question are these really obvious things cause he says these like this is simple but I don’t get any of this shit maybe cause I’m na

[@aceofbeatzz]

it is relatively obvious when you watch instead of play... playing and making decisions real time consistently like LS does while watching is actually the only challenge to reach higher elo... the more you can do these kind of decisions while playing the higher you reach after dia 3 id say, lower than that some of the minor things he tells actually dont matter at all

[@sangwonkim9298]

These are basically known to u subconsciously and therefore u it seems like an obvious thing to u So if some1 asked u wouldnt be able to answer perfectly unless u masters elo and higher where people bring all this knowledge to their conscious mind But if someone told u like Ls does in this video u be like of course i know it

[@WarringFighter]

we’re not dumb for not seeing them, league can be simplified to a few major points that you need to follow. The things LS tells us are all logical and with a little bit of experience and attention you should be able to follow him, now how you apply this to every game consistently, well that’s hard, it requires strong mentality and constant awareness which is difficult for casual players since they’re not solely focused on playing the game and they have other things going on. League is a strategy game and anyone should be mentally able to understand it, now becoming a god takes a lot of other things too

[@pauledwards2052]

"Apdo is winning lane, but is behind." This statement is so misleading that it might as well be false. Apdo IS getting dumpstered, but he isn't getting dumpstered by Irelia. He is getting dumpstered by his team. Graves has repeatedly had failed ganks and countered ganks, and Gragas/Irelia got a slight lead off of that. IN ADDITION Yasuo/Shen has had a major influence on the balance, BUT HIS BOT LANE GOT NOTHING OUT OF IT. If bot had secured pressure, a tower, or followed... Apdo would not be as far behind as he is. Apdo is NOT winning lane. Not even close. But he didn't lose to Irelia. He lost to his own team.

[@astrosanimelab2234]

So he's winning lane but is behind

[@sangwonkim9298]

Yah he is losing but not losing to irelia Losing to irelias team Even after irelia gets ahead in kills he still manages to farm and survive in lane until shen gragas fk him up again

[@abdalazizaljurf633]

holy fucking click sounds

[@RepliesMuted]

21:11 nothing weird about it, you just have a hard on for koreans and fail to see they are just as boosted as NA in soloq

[@milk8979]

??????

[@ashe-chan3031]

I would subscribe if you dropped the I’m a coach jokes:) makes me cringe:)