Review: Ceado E37S & E37J Espresso Coffee Grinders

Review of Ceado's redesigned E37S and E37J espresso coffee grinders. Marc from WholeLatteLove.com takes a look at mid-2017 design upgrades to the E37S and the new E37J. Get the results of Marc's tests for grinding speed, dose to dose weight variation of timed grinding and grind retention. E37's have a redesigned grinding chamber and delivery system. A new adjustable portafilter holder accommodates single, double and naked/bottomless PFs for hands free grinding.
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[@Wholelattelovepage]

See the latest 2019 version of the Ceado E37S. Now with Quick Set Gear grind size adjustment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpaanYaendBnm8k

[@DeityOfRS]

Phenomenal video, Mark et al. You guys really went soup to nuts on the important details and measurements, and made it accessible and concise for new shoppers of commercial grinders. Kudos!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DOfRS, Thanks for the comment! We make every effort to include as many details and test results as possible - thanks for noticing!

[@haraldo.2406]

Excellent video and incredible good grinders. The more I learn about grinders the more I do love Ceado! Thanks for the video Mark!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Harald, You are welcome and thank you very much for the comment!

[@daniely9310]

Now that grind retention results are what I'm looking for! Awesome video indeed WLL & mark! E37S is indeed impressive!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Daniel, Thanks for the comment. Happy to hear you found information presented useful!

[@scrumpymanjack]

Not sure what I'm more impressed with - the machines, the depth of the review or the flawless presentation. Seriously, Marc, you should be on television.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi smj, Thanks for the kind comment! Love it a whole latte :) Marc

[@MrArdytube]

An excellent review that answered some questions that I had. Marc is very thorough!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ardy, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@yamamancha]

Your video content is excellent. Thanks for such an informative introduction.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Y, You are welcome. Thanks for letting me know you enjoyed it!!!

[@MrKaipay]

How can six persons dislike this video. I always enjoy your videos. The grinder is on my wishlist. 👍🏼

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Lol, 200:6 isn't bad! Thanks for your support and comment! There's an updated E37S with touchscreen and a Quick Set Gear: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black Marc

[@dwikafebrianto3016]

This is excellent presentation for excellent product!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Dwika, Thanks for taking the time to comment! Marc

[@conradbank7056]

Hi Marc Just wanted to thank you for the great videos. I've just bought the E37J based on your recommendations, unfortunately not from Whole Latte Love because I'm based in York, England!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Conrad, You are welcome. Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Great comparison

[@chrisdumbdumb226]

Thanks Mark for reviewing this grinder. I've been looking into getting a new grinder and was fairly certain it would be a Mazzer Mini A but the E37S/J may just have changed my mind. I'll need to see if I can get my hands on one easily here in Australia. Cheers.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Chris, Do yourself a favor and get the Ceado. Same price as a Mazzer Mini Electronic (here in the US anyway) but a far superior grinder. The top burr arrangement on the Ceado is brilliant. I cuss at Mazzers every time I take them apart.

[@chrisdumbdumb226]

Hi Mark! Well I took your advice and went with the Ceado E37J. I'd like to say that I'm happy with the grinder but that would be a major understatement. I love this grinder!!! I can't get over the difference it has made to my espresso. I have an ECM Synchronika and now with the grinder I'm in coffee heaven. One day I maybe able to afford a Synesso MVP Hydra but, well I'm very happy. Thanks for the advice. Cheers.

[@thedarkageisnow]

I'm from Melbourne Australia and I can't find one here.

[@meredith18352]

@@thedarkageisnow Jet Black Espresso Stock them and will ship for free

[@yoramdiamand]

Due to the retention info you made me buy a Ceado e37S, I will sell my Mazzer mini manual. Single dose grinding with this Mazzer doser is a strugle. Thanks Y

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Yoram Diamand Hi YD, you will not be disappointed. E37S is an awesome grinder! It’ll go a lifetime. Congrats! Marc

[@LumiLunar]

Still waiting to pull the trigger one one of these grinders. They're some of the best out there.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Lumi, Thanks for the comment. The E37S was recently upgraded with a Quick Set Gear for grind size adjustment and touch screen control with 3 timed grinding presets so you can have a triple shot setting as well. Check out the upgrades in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpaanYaendBnm8k Marc

[@crishamilton6678]

My dream machine

[@toonahfeesh5851]

I really wanted to purchase the J (to replace my Mazzer Mini) but that grind retention is a nonstarter.

[@marcochiasson2298]

Can you latch the portafilter in the holder if you use a funnel to avoid spillage of the grinds out of the chute? TIA

[@zb5797]

Mark, How would this grinder pair with La Bezzera Mitica PID Espresso Machine - switchable tank / direct connect - V2? Buying my first espresso machine and had a few questions I wanted to bounce off you.

[@chrisrizzo5976]

Mark - I currently have a breville 920 and a baratza vario grinder. I've enjoyed both products but I am ready to upgrade both units. Strongly leaning toward the ecm synchronika for my new dual boiler. Which grinder would you pick to go with the ecm synchronika. Leaning toward the ceado E37S but as someone else mentioned the titan would match better. Help :).

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Chris, Sorry not back to you sooner. Was on vacation for a week and offline. The Titan does match the look of the Synchronika as they're both ECM. The Titan is a very capable grinder and I like it a lot! But if someone gave me the choice between it and the E37S I'd take the Ceado. Hard to argue against the larger burrs, low retention and very accurate dosing. I find it easier to use with the interface mounted so I can look down at it and love the steady lock setup which allows for easy top burr removal without recalibration. IMO that setup is one of the best recent grinder improvements.

[@rick-xf4sl]

Ceado is really at the top end these days and my recently purchased E6P has satisfied me completely. I've owned a Mazzer electronic which I found to be noisy and crude and 13 years later I believe they sell exactly the same design. My Vario pleased me awhile but it is just so messy and really just an appliance vs a machine. An argument you've made often!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Rick, Thanks for the comment. Spot on!!! E6P is a solid grinder and great value! IMO the design of the top burr adjustment assembly on the E37 models is the single most under-appreciated refinement in grinders. With you on the Mazzer that has not evolved. I hate the way the top burr sits on the springs in the grinding chamber and how the chamber is not sealed from threads of the adjustment collar. Such a PITA compared to the Ceado design. Amazing you can buy an E37J for same price as a Mazzer Mini electronic - The Ceado is a far superior grinder!

[@rick-xf4sl]

Whole Latte Love Had to look up PITA but Google came thru.......again. LOL

[@hornharrydresden7525]

Hi Mark, great review. Congratulations! I was especially impressed by the little grind retention of the E37S. You said that the grinding chamber has been redesigned in the new 2017 Modells. Does this also affect the grind retention? Did you ever compare the grind retention of the new to the older models of the E37S? Thanks in advance for your answer. I love your channel. Greetings from Germany!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Harry, Thanks for the comment! I have not done a direct comparison of grind retention in the old style E37S to the redesign. My guess is the new model retains less. The old style had an adjustable SCC device (Static Clumping Control). That went away with the redesign. I believe the flap of the SCC located just before the chute to PF probably held back a little more coffee than the more flexible and non-adjustable aluminum flap on the newer model. Greetings back at you from the USA! Marc

[@Optimal_Male]

We are looking at buying 2 grinders (one for decaf). It looks like the biggest potential thing that would impact us (home usage, speed is not an issue) in the J vs S is the major difference in retention. 5g of retention in a ~17g shot seems to be a lot - what are your thoughts on how important this is (esp. for someone coming from a Jura super auto - so new to this)?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ryan, Sorry for the delayed response! A couple comments... Most super-autos retain a lot of coffee! When I use them I often sacrifice a shot to the drain if it's been a day since I used it. 5g is about the most you'd ever retain in the J. In my experience actual retention depends on the coffee used, grind size and ambient conditions like humidity. I have had much lower retention in the J when I'm using medium roasts and the air is dry. If I'm at all worried about retention I'll grind off and toss a few grams before dosing.

[@VB-kn2gn]

Thanks for the amazing video. They both look great grinders. I'm looking for the E37j but except the electronic, what differ the E6p from the E37j. Both Ceado 64mm, 300w and 1400 vs 1650 rpm. It looks the E6p is a better value...? I'm looking for a grinder matching a Brewthus IV. Thanks WLL!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi V B, Thanks for the comment. Aside from the electronics you mention some other differences: The big one is how the burr adjustment unit and top burr come out as a single unit on the E37J. As discussed in the video, these means no loss of calibration or grind setting when removing the burr to get into the grinding chamber for cleaning etc. Also, no chance of cross-threading the adjusting mechanism when putting things back together. On the E6P you do lose grind setting and calibration when you take things apart to get into the grinding chamber. The E6P has some plastic components like the base, grinding chute housing and adjustment collar. The E37J has a portafilter activated switch to start grinding. In use, it's much easier to to set/adjust grind timing on the E37J with the .1 sec increments on the control panel. Both grinders have Ceado Steady Lock technology which prevents grind size drift due to thermal expansion during use. I do prefer the way the top burr is locked in place on the E37. On the E6P the top burr is not in a solid mount. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions and I'd be happy to help.

[@rastislavstanik]

great video, thanks! could you perhaps explain how does the steady lock system actually work?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi RS, Thanks for the comment. Here's a link to more info and a video from Ceado on there Steady Lock system: www.ceado.com/en/steady_lock_grinder.html

[@rastislavstanik]

Whole Latte Love thanks, the video is a nice marketing material but unfortunately not very informative from the technical point of view (unlike yours)..probably they want to protect the details of their solution :-)

[@markosullivan4313]

Thanks Marc- Underwater I am fine as PADI instructor, but I am still learning about grinders for my new Profitec 700 double boiler machine. I wanted to upgrade my old Rancillio Rocky to either a Ceaado E37J or a Profitec T64. Both fine espresso grinding machines, but would you steer me to one or the other and why? This is for my home. I usually make a few doubles every morning. So many choices!--

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Mark with a K, I'm a diver too! Here's a fun video I did some years ago pouring a very sugary "coffee" underwater in the Great Lakes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX2lcoauftqFf7s But on to the grinders... First off, Pro 700 is an excellent machine! Here are some grinder thoughts and recommendations: Profitec T64: It'll match the look of your Pro 700 but there are better options IMO Ceado E37J: Built like a brick, excellent 64mm burr grinder. Quiet, good distribution - I'd take take it over the T64 Ceado E5P/E6P: Both 64mm, E5P is manual on demand, E6P has 2 timed presets otherwise identical, Not as beastly as the E37J but less $$ and essentially identical grind quality w/excellent clump free distribution. Eureka Mignon Specialita: Available in a bunch of colors, contemporary design aesthetic, 55mm, quiet, 2 timed presets with my favorite UI, well built but a slight step down from Ceado: www.wholelattelove.com/search?q=specialita&hPP=16&idx=shopify_wllusproducts&p=0&type=product&is_v=1 Hope that helps! Marc

[@rdenotter]

Hey Mark, would you consider doing a side-by-side comparison of the Rocket Fausto and the Ceado 37J?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ron, Thanks for the request. I'll see what I can do - honestly might be awhile before I'm able to. In the meantime, I'd be happy to answer any specific questions you might have. I'll add this... I've used both grinders and personally I prefer the Ceado. It's incredibly easy to get into. I find the grind size adjustment easier to use and more precise on the Ceado. A little turn of the Fausto's knob results in a relatively substantial change in grind size. The Fausto's grind adjustment works by moving the entire shaft of the motor up/down (similar to Eureka grinders). Ceado has a more traditional move the top burr to adjust grind size. Marc

[@muju3585]

Question: is the J model similar to the S in term of not having to reset grind size after every cleaning ?! Everything other than that is clear thanks to you for these great reviews of the grinders 🌹

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MA, Thanks for the question. Yes. The top burr assembly of the E37J can be removed for cleaning and replaced without the need to reset grind size. Marc

[@raidensix]

Is there a hopper option to get this at 15 in height? My cabinet clearance is 15.5 inch and was really looker for a quality grinder for a Profitec 500 Pro PID

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Vernon, Sorry there is not :(. Our E37 models are 17.25" to top of hopper. That height is actually a reduction from the hoppers which came with these grinders when released. Some users single dose E37 grinders without the hopper. Here's a video that shows how to do that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGXCpIuMq9Jpos0 Marc

[@martinerbes8768]

I would like to know whether you see any difference in the cup when it comes to flavour quality between these two models. I saw your other comparison between the Eureka Atom and the Ceado e37J stating that despite all difference in design the was no difference in flavour quality in the cup.

[@njl1544]

It is somewhat frustrating that you have not answered this question- the bottom line for me (and I am looking to upgrade my current grinder) is whether there is a consistently discernible difference in taste between coffee ground with the two machines. That is the number one selection criterion for me.

[@tarekforgani2888]

Which grinder do you recommend for Turkish coffee and espresso?

[@rottiejakeluke]

I’v watched this and the individual video on the Eureka Speciality 75 and also the comparison video BUT I would like to ask you, personally, which would you recommend over the other ????thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi rmw, Thanks for the question. In order of preference the E37S (updated since this video with Quick Set Gear and beautiful touch screen display with 3 timed presets: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black. The E37S has those massive 83mm burrs and is NSF rated. Then the Eureka 75. 2nd place for the burr size, consistent weight output and easy UI. Then the E37J. Hope that helps! Marc

[@CF_Sapper]

Hey, I love espresso and French press and really only want to buy one grinder, I realize this grinder is focused at the espresso market, but how is it at grinding courser grind is it easy to jump between the two major grind differences?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi CF, While the Ceado E37 grinders are among my favorites for espresso there are better choices for press grinding. A couple of reasons for this. Espresso focused grinders tend to produce more fines when grinding at medium - coarse settings. Also, not easy to make major jumps between grind sizes. It can be done, but will get tedious if doing it all the time. I suggest a dedicated grinder for each brew method. My favorite for drip/press/cold brew is the Baratza Virtuoso. It has the largest grind range of any Baratza grinder at 200-1400 microns. If you want a solid all purpose grinder go with a Baratza Forte. It's the most robust Baratza grinder and switches very quickly between grind sizes. Choose the Forte BG with the steel burrs if you are more about your press coffee and the Forte AP with ceramic burrs if you are more about your espresso. Check out all the Baratza grinders here: www.wholelattelove.com/brands/baratza Always a compromise when using a single grinder for espresso and other brew methods. Marc

[@pintsizer]

Hi Mark, looking at either a second hand E37s (two years commercial setting) or a new Macap m42. Similar price. Are there any pitfalls or dangers with a second hand e37?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Eli Gilfedder Hi, if the motor is running you should be good! Burrs in the E37s are rated for 600kg of grinding. So depending on their use might want to consider replacing those. Marc

[@francochan]

Happy to see the Grinder is of incredible value even up to now. Thanks Marc! Can you confirm if the coarsest setting can accommodate French Press, cold brew and other immersion brew methods?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Franco, These grinders can go to that coarseness. But IMO they are overkill unless using in a commercial setting for that purpose. Also these are large flat burr espresso focused grinders. That type of grinder tends to produce more fines than brew grinders at coarse grind settings. Marc

[@francochan]

Whole Latte Love Thanks for the reply, Marc!

[@troymr1519]

cheers mate

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DJ, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@FabiFabiMax1]

Hi Mark, I bought myself a Ceado E37J 2020 model. Unfortunately, my Ceado E37J is way slowlier than shown in your video. Mine takes around 15sec for 19gr. Degree of grinding is set perfect for the espresso beans I am using. How is that possible? Thanks in advance. Best Fabi

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi FC, That is slow grinding unless you are grinding a lot finer than normal for espresso. Was your grinder new out of the box? If so grinding speed in g/sec will increase as the burrs season with a coating of coffee oils. Only other thing I can think of is you have a grinder intended for use with 220v power and you're plugging into 110v. Honestly not sure the grinder would even work if that were the case but in the past I have received 220V demo equipment made in Italy and accidentally plugged into 110v power here in the US and things ran at half speed. Maybe check the power ratings for the grinder on sticker underneath and see if it matches your power source. Hope that helps! Marc

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Will they grind espresso to French press with great consistency, thankyou

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Orrin, Thanks for your comments! They can do press grind. Honestly a little bit of overkill for press but hey it'll be the last grinder you ever buy. Do be aware if using for espresso as well it's a little cumbersome to make large changes in grind size. They are awesome at small changes but constantly going back and forth between fine for espresso and coarse for press will get old fast.

[@lesterfreckles1773]

Hey Marc - Thanks for the videos. Hugely helpful for us novices. I'm currently looking or a grinder to pair with my ECM Classika with PID. I have a Eureka Mignon Silenzio that has been serviceable but would love to step up to bigger burrs and something easier to clean that has less retention. I'm an espresso purist. No milk drinks. Just been manually grinding to date. I don't like to tinker. I don't switch beans often. I want a bombproof solution that I can set and pull great shots (and only minor adjustments when needed). What would be your good > better > best options for me? Obviously want it to work with my ECM spout portafilter and bonus points for coming in white. Am I on the right path with the CEADO s37J? Your input is appreciated. Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi lester, You are welcome for the videos and thanks for the question. I think you are on the right path with the E37J it's incredibly solid! Maybe you already knew, but it does come in white - so score on the bonus points!: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37j-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-white It's super easy to open up. Remove 3 screws and you're in with no loss of grind setting. Unless you go for a single dosing grinder you will always have some grind retention. Single dosers have essentially zero retention but get pricey and require using a scale to weigh beans prior to grinding. If you don't want to go there when using the J or other non-SD grinder just purge 3 grams between shots. Don't know what type of coffee you are using but that's 6 cents of coffee sacrificed if using $20/kg beans. An awful lot of purging to overcome the price difference of a single dosing grinder. Here are my selections Good: ECM S-Manuale 64: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/ecm-s-manuale-64-burr-coffee-grinder It's not easy to open and a totally on demand grinder with average retention. Very precise worm gear grind size adjustment, smaller form and on brand with the Classika PID Better: E37J in White: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37j-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-white It's white, easy to open and a beast! Best: Ceado E5SD: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder Essentially zero retention, You will loose grind setting when opening but with no retention there's nothing to clean out anyway. Requires some effort to use as you need to weigh dose prior to grinding and mist beans with water (RDT) to achieve zero retention. Hope that helps! Marc

[@lesterfreckles1773]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc. Appreciate the info. Last question, will my double spouted portafilter (which is centered on the Classika) fit on the holder on the E37J? BTW - bean is Cat & Cloud out of Santa Cruz - The Answer. Very forgiving:) and delicious. Cheers

[@wardmyers299]

Hi! I just got the E37J for my synchronika from you guys. I make 2-4 lattes daily at home. My wife and I are first responders and do quite a bit of coffee. Is the E37J sufficient? I know the E37S is super fast and retains less. Would that be overkill for us? How often do we need to clean the E37J due to the higher retention? Is there an easier way yo remove retention products than taking it apart? Please let me know you thoughts and if there was something else you recommend or I should know. Thanks!!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Ward, Thanks for your patronage! The E37S is an excellent grinder. It does retain less than the J but honestly wouldn't be too worried about retention. Unless ground dry all grinders (except single dosers) have some retention. If concerned about retention just burn a few grams of coffee before dosing your next PF if it's been awhile since doing your last. Some say that's wasteful but how many grams of coffee do you have to burn to add up to the price difference between the grinders? No doubt the E37S produces a higher grind quality with the 83mm burrs and does it faster. Also, the quick set size adjustment is incredibly precise. Would you notice the difference in a latte? Maybe if you're very particular or are a skilled taste tester. More likely to detect a difference in a straight espresso from specialty beans. At your use level I'd open up the grinder (easy to do!) and clean 1x/month or so. It's not so much about removing retention as cleaning up the nooks and crannies which accumulate deposits of coffee oils. Hope that helps! Marc

[@l.rongardner2150]

Mark, you responded to my question regarding the differences between the E37J and the E6P, because I was debating which one to get to go with along with the ECM Classika I plan to purchase from WLL. But now that I've watched this video, I'm wondering if it makes sense for me to bite the bullet and dish out $1700 for the E37S. I'll only be making myself 3 espressos a day (one after each meal each day, so speed means nothing to me). Two questions: Would I likely be able to taste the difference between an E37S and E37J-made/ground espresso made on the ECM Classika? And the grind retention seems pretty high on the E37 . How does it compare to that of the E6P?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LRG, Thanks for the question. First let me point you to the most current version of the E37S with the Quick Set Gear and touchscreen control and 3 timed grinding presets: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black Retention in the E37J and E6P is similar. I do not consider either low retention grinders. The E37S does have low retention if single dosed. Burrs in the E37S are 83mm vs 63mm in the E6P and E37J. Bigger burrs generally produce a better grind quality. Can you taste a difference? I believe you can. Keep in mind making espresso requires controlling a number of variables. With a grinder like the E37S you will never question grind quality. With the Quick Set Gear you'll have the ability to make incredibly precise grind size adjustments which are so important to taking espresso to the next level. I was at the SCA show in April and a number of Ceado grinders with the QSG were in use by pro baristas. They love the precision. We've had a number of baristas in from local micro-roasters and they think the QSG is brilliant. Should you bite the bullet? I can't answer that for you. I'll mention as you get into high-end espresso equipment there are diminishing returns for your investment. Marc

[@l.rongardner2150]

@@Wholelattelovepage , thanks for your response, Mark.

[@BobApostolov]

great thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Bob, You are welcome and thanks for the comment!

[@mr_m_to_the_t]

Hi Marc, I saw both this video and the one about the Eureca Atom. I drink espresso and cappuccino. What would you recommend for my usage in this price range? Happy to hear your feedback! I have a Rocket Espresso Appartamento coffee machine. Cheers, Mark

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Mark, Thanks for the question. Unless it's the last grinder you'll ever buy I think the E37S is a little pricey for servicing an Apartamento. Here's a link to grinders ion that price range. Atom is good choice. Especially if you will always do timed based grinding. They are among the easiest to adjust the timed grinding on. Marc

[@muskokan]

Hi Mark - would you say the Ceado e37j or e6p would produce a noticeably better tasting espresso / cappuccino than the Eureka Mignon Silenzio? I’m wondering if upgrading to a Ceado would be worth it since it’s about double the price.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi M, Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Silenzio and Ceado E6P. Currently the E6P is running ~$120 more than the Eureka grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare To answer your question... I'd say it has the potential. The E6P uses a larger burr set at 64mm vs 50mm in the Silenzio. Larger burrs result in more consistency in grind particle size. Other factors beyond burr size can help as well. Things like distribution of grinds into the PF, timing functions and control of grind size adjustment may be just as important. The E6P is has some advantages in those areas. I prefer the large ring of the E6P for it's more precise adjustment of grind size vs the very small knob of the Silenzio. Timing is more accurate with the E6P with ability to adjust in 0.1 second intervals - it's kind of a guess with the Silenzio's little timing knob with no time indication. The E6P has no time display either but timing can be adjusted in 0.1 increments using the buttons. If you don't use grind timing it's not a factor for either grinder. I prefer the E6P's distribution quality into a PF and it can grind hands free. Hope that helps! Marc

[@muskokan]

Whole Latte Love thank you so much for the helpful response. Love your channel and vids. The best!

[@bernardcheong683]

Hi Marc, i have gotten a same version of E37S based on your recommendations with slight higher price. I have difficulties in having a dose of 5g/sec and quite high retention after few times of grinding, which i could not identify why even using 1kg of freshly roasted beans. Any advise on that?

[@bernardcheong683]

I have used medium roasted beans espresso blend with Brazil and Colombia beans. Really appreciate if you could help me out. Cheers!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi BC, Thanks for the question. Grinding speed in my experience and testing is ~5g/s at espresso grind size. I've had an E37S in the studio as a daily driver and I'm currently running 18g doses in 3.6 - 3.8 seconds. There will be some variation in grinding rate based on bean type and the grind size setting. Higher altitude coffees with denser/smaller beans tend to grind at higher g/s rates. When you grind finer the grinding output rate decreases. May also be differences based on power supply but I'm not extra familiar with that as all my experience is with grinders running on US standard single phase, 110V 60hz. Retention measurements are subject to variance. Also depends a lot on how it's measured. To make my measurements I first open the grinder and completely clean. Then add a known weight of beans to the hopper and grind. After grinding dry I pulse the motor on/off a few more times until no more ground coffee is dispensed. I weigh everything that came out and subtract from the weight of beans I started with to get grind retention. Retention can be affected by bean type and ambient conditions like humidity. In dry air conditions internal static cling may result in higher retention. Ceado recommends using RDT (misting beans with 0.1 - 0.2g of water prior to grinding) in their single dosing grinders like the E37SD to lower retention. Hope that helps! Marc

[@kamluki]

Hi, Marc. Is it worth to pay more for the E37J over the E6P? What are the main differences?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Łukasz Kamiennik Hi, potentially. It has larger burrs, better timing function with display of time, stronger motor and top burr plate has better sealing and can be removed without losing grind setting for cleaning. Hope that helps! Marc

[@smarley678]

Hi Mark! Great video as always! I am leaning towards the J and I just want to be sure that I have a good feel for the differences: Slightly lower power motor (slower grind), slightly smaller burr set (could run a bit hotter if you grind shot after shot), slightly more retention (if that worries me). Would that be a good summary for the $700.00 difference? I would buy it for just a few coffees in the morning a few in the evening and I don't foresee throwing big espresso parties, so is the J sufficient? Thanks again!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi s, I believe the J will be sufficient for your needs. Unless you are worried about retention in which case you would need to operate the E37S as a single dosing grinder by weighing beans prior to grinding and putting only those beans in the grinder. The latest E37S ships with Quick Set Gear grind size adjustment. It's a worm gear setup which is extremely precise - and more expensive: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder At your use level heat is not a concern. The S model does have larger 83mm burrs and bigger burrs produce a slightly better grind. But, unless you are super serious about your espresso... like geek level doing high-end single origin coffees the difference may be negligible. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions! Marc

[@smarley678]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! I appreciate the added help! One more question - Since my next step is to purchase a bottomless portafilter and start down the road to truly dialing in my technique, would the potentially better grind difference in the S warrant the step up from the J? Would there be any chance that the added grind quality of the S could be seen in the bottomless filter results (less sprites, channeling, more consistent flow etc)? Best, S

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Sounds like you are somewhat serious about upping your game! In that case the E37S may make sense. You will definitely appreciate the QSG for grind size adjustment over the lever on the J model. As mentioned the larger burrs will produce a slightly better grind quality with better particle size consistency and a fluffier grind into your PF. Regardless of which grinder you choose I strongly suggest using a leveler and a quality filter basket sized for your typical dose for more consistent bottomless shots with less channeling/squirting. IMO these 2 things have the biggest impact on consistency - I stopped using tampers about 6 months ago after a huge reduction in channeling using a leveler. Here's a video with more info on the lever I'm using: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aouYp4efa5lmqcU And here's a link to some excellent filter baskets: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/ims Marc

[@Luforge]

Hi Marc..Very informative.!Certainly has some updated tech like the Burr size and reduced noise etc. How would you compare it to the ECM Titan 64..?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi J, Thanks for the comment and question. I'd take the E37S over the Titan if cost is no object. A toss up between the E37J and the Titan. I love the isolation of the grinding chamber from the very fine threads of the adjustment chamber on the E37 grinders. The Titan does a reasonable job of that as well but uses O-Rings to seal the chamber. (Mazzer grinders drive me nuts in a bad way as the threads always get gummed up and I'm not a fan of the top burr which sits on 3 springs.) It's more difficult to get into the Titan's grind chamber than the Ceado's. On grinders like the Mazzers and Titan there's always a risk of cross-threading when putting the adjustment collars back on. The threads are very fine. Not an issue if you're careful but I've seen it happen! Titan is louder than the E37J and probably has similar grind retention although I have yet to measure it. On the plus side for the Titan are the titanium burrs which will last a lot longer. But even with non-titanium burrs a normal home user would have to go through a lifetime of coffee before replacing burrs. I do like the worm gear adjustment grind adjustment on the Titan. Makes it very easy to make an incredibly small change in grind size.

[@Luforge]

Thanks for your comments Marc, Its like comparing a BMW(Titan) to a Porsche(Ceado) I have the ECM Synchronika and i am looking for a good grinder. Apart from the O-rings that are a bit difficult to get into with Titan, I think i will stick with the ECM just on $$, as the pair cosmetically go together .. and it is a very good grinder..

[@randydunn]

Mark, great review, so much so you have swayed me from my intended purchase of either a Mahlkönig Peak. My use is not commercial and for home. Would your choice be the E37S over the Peak?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Randy, I'll be honest I have not used the Peak. I do have a K30 in the studio which I use from time to time but given the choice I use the E37S as I have one of those in studio full time. Peak might be overkill? I really like the E37S. Marc

[@randydunn]

Whole Latte Love Thanks Mark. Your videos are outstanding and if I go with the E37 it will be with WLL and because of your videos. Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Awesome! Let me know if you have any more questions. If you'd like to speak with our coffee pros by phone/chat/email you can contact here: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us Marc

[@gigi9467]

So should i get rod of my vario and get one of this? Taste wise reliability wise who better

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jesus, The Baratza Vario is a fine grinder! Really the entry into high-end grinding for home use. The Ceado's do cost more but reliability wise they are commercial grade. With larger burrs the E37S will produce a more consistent particle size which should result in more balanced extraction. Ceado's are true stepless grinders. The Vario, with its micro adjustment is close to stepless.

[@gigi9467]

Whole Latte Love gotcha, so i guess i should wait till my vario breaks. Honestly it does produce good shits but the reliability worries me so i dont think it eill long before i get a new one

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Sounds like a solid plan!

[@ozeltzex1]

?Does the J model has SCC control

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi, The SCC found on original E37 grinders has been replaced with a redesigned grind chamber/chute/spout on both the S and J models.

[@johnbeasley4211]

HI Marc. Your video helped me appreciate my E37S even more. I do have a question about time grinding, which seems basic to this machine's software. My understanding so far is that this grinder doesn't really know what 17 grams is. It only knows what, say, 7 seconds is. So my question is, would using that same 7 seconds give me different amounts of coffee when switching to different beans and/or different grind-size settings? I"m thinking, yes, probably, but would appreciate your input. Thanks so much. --JohnB

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi John, Your understanding is correct. When you change beans or grind size the weight will change. When changing to a coarser setting you will grind more coffee in a given time. Different beans have different densities. For instance, lighter roasted beans are more dense than darker roasts so grinding for the same duration light beans will usually have a higher weight. Marc

[@johnbeasley4211]

Great. Thanks so much. I feel a little guilty having so many questions so well-answered. I'd already begun my espresso diary. New input for today. My first really successful dial-in with the Maromma Orphea. The most interesting thing about this one is that actual tamping did not yield pleasant flavors. Using the Jack Leveller only was really nice. Today it was a setting of 1.5 on the Ceado, 4.5 seconds yielded between 17-18 grams, closer to 18. The pull took about 25 seconds for 2-ounce yield. And I actually got sweetness. I was beginning to think that sweetness in espresso was a myth. :) Cheers.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

@@johnbeasley4211 That's great and thanks for the report! Can't promise I'll always be quick on the responses but do my best to help! Marc

[@ct-t69]

Hi, is it "easy" to set the desired grind without the quick set gear? It's pitty, that the 37j comes without the quick set gear....

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi m, Thanks for the question. The quick set gear is excellent for extremely precise control of grind size for espresso. Marc

[@ct-t69]

@@Wholelattelovepage but the 37j hasn't the quick set gear - or i mistake?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

mephisto you are correct only comes on E37S

[@bagusdoang2087]

Can I get compararation with mahlkonig x54?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Bd, Thanks for the request. I don't have one at the moment put if/when I do I'll make a video. Marc

[@yawnbox]

Have you considered starting a 'repairability score' for the machines you sell?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey CS, Great idea! I often make a distinction between appliance and machine grade products. Machine grade products are very repairable! Marc

[@scrumpymanjack]

Hi Marc. Looking to buy one of these this year. Bottom line, I want something to last decades and do no want to have to buy another grinder in my life. I drink one, maybe two coffees a day. That’s it. But those coffees, and the ritual of making them, are an essential and enjoyable part of my day. I can’t really justify the extra money for the S. BUT, would i even notice the bigger burrs and motor given my usage? I’m prepared to spend the extra money if so because this is supposed to last decades. An extra $700 over decades is nothing. But I have the feeling I wouldn’t even realise the difference. Would I? Thanks.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi smj, Have a look at the most recent E37S which now features Quick Set Gear grind size adjustment and new UI with an additional timed grinding preset for total of 3. Those features are not available on the J model. A few key differences... The E37S IMO does produce a better grind quality with the larger burrs, it grinds faster and has much lower grind retention. It's a little more consistent cycle to cycle with coffee weights dispensed based on timed grinding. If you enjoy the ritual there's something satisfying about top level equipment. I believe you will appreciate the E37S without no regrets in long term. More info and video featuring most recent E37S w/QSG here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black Hope that helps! Marc

[@scrumpymanjack]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your thoughts. It's really helped to make up my mind. Appreciate it as always - and be assured that when I do pull that trigger, I'll do it through WLL.

[@santiagodraco]

Are the redesigned E37S parts replacable on the previous E37S design? I'm really disappointed in the 2016 E37S models problem with spraying and clumping. Sounds like Ceado knows this was an issue and had to do a redesign. Right now I'm really wishing I had not bought the unit. It's not living up to expectations at all.

[@sunnynice]

Hi Mr. Mark can you please compare Ceado e37s model to Eureka zenith

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SN, Your timing is perfect! I have a Zenith in the studio which I'm evaluating at the moment. I will be doing a video soon. I'm just waiting on a shorter hopper as the Zenith I have now has a standard hopper that puts overall height at ~23.25"

[@CraigBurton]

Hi Marc, you're Kiwi friend here again :) I'm loving my Profitec Pro 600 that I purchased a few months back. Now I've refined my choice of grinders down to two - the Eureka Mignon Specialita or the Ceado E37J. I realise the 37J is slightly more expensive but I love the design and it looks solid. My question has to do with the grind adjustment on the top. Is it easy to fine tune the grind? How does it compare with the Specialita in that regard? I wish I could afford the E37S and its worm gear :( Cheers Marc, Craig

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Craig, Hope you are well down there! The Specialita is in the machine grade but the Ceados are even more so - next level of machining quality in comparison. If you are staying in the espresso grind size range the E37J has what you need and it's easier to be more precise with grind size adjustment than on the Specialita. Hope that helps! Marc

[@CraigBurton]

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc. Really appreciate your reply. I bought the E37J. Love it. I got lucky and managed to dial in the grind for the beans I like after two double shots. I'm sure it'll go out a little while the burrs are seasoned. What a difference in flavour! My only criticism is how stiff the grind adjustment is. My guess is I won't be adjusting it too much. Cheers to you and the team Marc.

[@itsjaynguyen]

anyword on the e37z?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jay, Funny you should ask. I'll be visiting Ceado in Italy end of July to get more on the E37Z! Should come back with more info including video from manufacturing facility. Do you have any specific questions? Marc

[@itsjaynguyen]

Whole Latte Love just want to know the price and availability.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Jay Nguyen I’ll get those details and more!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jay, I know one thing... the price is going to be high! Likely will not get final pricing while in Italy but at least a ballpark. Same with availability. Hope to come back with some behind the scenes video of the Z!

[@threeccoffeeroastery3737]

First of all I want to say thanks for your videos and tests. I do appreciate them and your effort! But I have no idea how you get those results. After I saw your video on the E37S I bought the grinder and made the same tests. I put 18 grams in and got 9 grams! That is half of the coffee left in the grinder! I did everything how you did it in the video. That result is far off of almost zero retention. Also on the measured times, I never get anything near the times you got. Your measured 5 grams per second is way off with my experience. My grinder needs 2.8 seconds for 8,5 grams and 5.9 sec for 16 grams. And I get variations of +/- 1g! Those are my daily results and experiences. Also if you change the grind size it takes a while to adjust which is the first sign for retention. Don't get me wrong, it is a good grinder and I like it but unfortunately it is not as good as in your videos! And your videos raise the expectations highly. My grinder isn't the newest updated version of the E37S but the version with the newer flapper. I have experienced many grinders and after I saw all your videos on the E37S I was really excited about it, unfortunately it is not as good as advertised! And for the price of an E37S I would recommend a Mahlkönig K30 Vario which is a better grinder.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi 3C, You are welcome for the videos. I stand behind my test results. Something must be wrong with your technique or grinder. My guess is it needs a simple adjustment of the SCC flap or you are doing something very wrong or grinding incredibly oily beans. I honestly do not know how it could possibly retain 9g. There's simply not enough room in the grinding chamber for 9g of ground coffee. I would like to offer a live 2-way FaceTime session with you (please have your E37S available) I'd like to see what your grinder is doing and I'll show you mine. I'll have an E37S and E37SD ready to go and give you a live demonstration of my results including grinding speed and retention on both grinders. I'll post a video recording of our session. You are making serious allegations and I'd like others to know my test results are what they can expect with E37 grinders. Please contact us here to setup a time for a live one on one session: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Tell our customer support staff Marc has messaged with you on KZbin and wants to setup a live video session in regards to E37 grinders. I'm generally available 7a- 4p Eastern time and would be more than happy to do a live session tomorrow. Thank you. Marc

[@Wholelattelovepage]

See the latest 2019 version of the Ceado E37S. Now with Quick Set Gear grind size adjustment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpaanYaendBnm8k