Review: E3D Titan as a super light extruder!

[@Andyjpro]

Note to North American viewers that may not consider it: 1200 grit European sandpaper is somewhere between 600-800 grit US standard. Just in case you didn't want to spend all day polishing your rod ;)

[@pyr3x849]

+Andy Prokopyk It's good exercise.

[@TheNetRealtor]

Thanks for the video .. Because of your input, I went ahead and replaced my broken (bad parts) Wade with the Titan / E3D and I am truly happy with the results .. On my third print and what a difference , even kicked up the speed a bit on my P3 Steel .. Keep up the great work ..

[@jamesdavis2027]

was that a superhot reference?

[@YabbaWazHere]

I got it at the very end haha

[@RJMaker]

"... as cheap as a pancake.." Love that one, and of course the candy... :-) Great in-dept review Tom.

[@justinmoritz6543]

Very happy to see a review of this awesome extruded.

[@MarkWheadon]

The ultra-flashy (literally) text clashes with your no-nonsense presentation. I guess it would make sense for emphasising something that's important and all too easy to miss (rather like italics in a document), but there have to be batter ways of doing that. Other than that, an interesting, clear and informative video as ever - thank you!

[@dysan1558]

Never thought of making an adapter like you used. Great idea and I'm making one now to fit a printable version of the titan on my Taz 6 printer.

[@reverse2]

thanks for a great review. covered all the things I needed to know -- I purchased two as I was looking to try a dual extruder setup on a budget.

[@carolcheny]

I got one on my Rostock Max v2. It works fine. The adjustable tension helps. But it's still pretty hard to insert new filament.

[@carolcheny]

+carolcheny OK I take it back. The filament inserts just fine, the problem is my tube. I'm happy with it. Very loud when it backup, though.

[@RajaaKahel]

Great! What motor did you use? and how fast can you go? (as a direct drive not Bowden)

[@carolcheny]

Rostock uses a couple of different motors, mine is the one that's not the default. Rostock is bowden like all delta printers. I was using volcano .8mm nozzles at one point and it didn't seem to have problems but I can't really tell because .8mm print quality really sucked i never adjusted to get it acceptable.

[@RajaaKahel]

Ok thanks :)

[@eduardobarros6562]

Amazing video, I was reluctant in buying a titan for myself, but this made me finally decide to get one. I also liked the sugary gummies shot.

[@droidjsmith]

Great review Tom. I can't wait to see your Flexion extruder review! :)

[@spikekent]

Superb video as always Tom, you always manage to give us that extra titbit. In this case the use of a smaller lighter motor. I already have the Titan and got a powerful motor at the same time. Doh! But since I haven't installed the Titan yet, I've just ordered a small 13 nM one to make it lighter. Huge thanks as always mate. Keep up you superb videos.

[@gbazil]

Yeah, seven years later i was looking for some channel to cover this problem with a flat surface on the engine rod which grinds the lever day by day. That's a design flaw.

[@kbyethx]

I’d like an updated video on the Titan. Is it still relevant in 2023? I’m considering fitting one to an Ender 3.

[@Voyager_2]

I don't know if I would consider the flashing white text a improvement. Maybe if you narrate them with a mortal combat voice that says "super bold move!" :-) For me the titan is a bit on the expansive side for what you get, but that's personal of course. Keep up the good job, your videos are getting better every time.

[@awmyhr]

Really appreciate these reviews, would love to see one for the Toranado Extruder as well...

[@print4life]

can someone help me with mine, it seems like something is missaligned the filament grinding and not being extruded i have even hammered the hobbed gear to make sure it was in place. i have tried every thing.

[@km5405]

hmmm....so what about using those small geared steppers for the extruder? does that make sense?

[@briancruz4090]

hey so with 3mm filament you don't need to attach the tube to it?

[@georgelza]

would be great if you were to do a update on this, of it fitted to a Ender 5...

[@hampuslundin4432]

Wondering if two of these fit next to each other to form a dual extruder?

[@shakam.5658]

Do you have a step by step guide on assembling this extruder? I just received my kit from creality and I have no clue how to assemble it. It's on my cr10 v3

[@SuperRcbuilder]

Awesome review Thomas, thanks

[@ianturner2229]

Really glad I watched this as I am just assembling a genuine E3D Titan Aero, and did wonder if I had done something wrong when fitting the filament guide inside the extruder because I had to fiddle around to get the filament to go down into the head. The black plastic guide had slipped out while I was putting it together, and was found under my desk !!!!! Your video showed just that possibility and gave me the hint as to what my problem was, so I stripped it down again and presto, with th guide back in place, it loads flawlessly.

[@drmaestro88]

Thank you very much for the review. Do you have a link (STL-Scad) for the adapter part you have used. I also have a Wade's extruder and I need to use a similar part, otherwise my hotend becomes too short. Thanks.

[@drmaestro88]

+Thomas Sanladerer got it :) Thanks again for all of these excellent reviews :D

[@Strawberrymaker]

LEss torgue on the stepper? so my stepper wouldnt get super hot anymore on my Bowden setup

[@rdesign5688]

Really helpful, thanks. With all these reviews of extruders coming up: how about an explainer on "retraction"? Mysterious as boiling an egg: you can't see what's going on inside!

[@tomherd4179]

Off specific topic of your video, but an Extruder Question. My Tevo Tornado with the stock factory Extruder has stopped feeding filament. The X, Y, Z axis still work and the heat element heats as well. Do you know of how I could test to see if the actual Extruder failed or the driver circuit inside the Tevo unit?

[@F2_CPB]

9:02 hamera in from future be like: Hold my proprietary stepper motor

[@iikkakonola]

Have you ran into issues with titan motor shaft grinding agains the extruder hand hole now that over a year has passed?

[@ricedmatt]

What happened to your review of the flexion? I couldn't find it anywhere!

[@ricedmatt]

wow! cool. thanks for the quick reply! I can't wait!

[@bluepeastuff2887]

Matt Bart

[@aikin89]

What is your recommend for me i am using a corexy printer with bowden setup and e3d v6 hotend and i need a cold end is titan is the best for me or there is a better choice?

[@Grearson]

still puszzeld, got a Prusa i3 kit, it came with a MK8 direct Extruder/Hotend , witch i changed to a china e3D + bowden extruder. I can print ABS now like a flush, but now PLA buggs me, as it allways Jams, (got a hard time to find working Retracting and Temp Values.) I was about to put back the mk8.... now i look at this geninue e3D combo (V6+Titan) will this combe be more beginner friendly, or anyone have better suggestions...? *1.75mm, slicing with Simplify3D*

[@JosephLarson]

I wonder how hard it is to retrofit my Rep1 to run one of these?

[@avichi2]

is the pancake stepper is enuogh even withot the gear ? or is it to weak ?

[@VolksTrieb]

Thx for the review and thx for the superhot style there xD

[@MosheKashani]

The titan looks like a solid package but is it worth $75 in a bowden setup over an $8 MK8 drive gear (plus a 608 bearing and a pipe fitting) on a simple printed extruder?

[@Trhuster]

Nice review! The best part off it is that small motor. Other than that i still like Bondtech extruders more.

[@thienbui9086]

can you tell me gcodes you used for the titan i am a beginner to 3d printing

[@extremewirehead]

Sorry If I sound like a broken record but: I love the idea of changing the nozzle and extruder assemblies since it gives me the flexibility of trying out different brands. What printer would make sense as a bed for this kind of operation? I know you use the modified mendel for what I am saying but what off-the-shelf printer works for this application? Thanks for the video!

[@boomerangfreak]

Would using 1 of these pancake steppers as you called em be plug and play replacing a standard nema 17? I am thinking about upgrading my Duplicator I3 with this extruder and a E3DV6 full metal but not sure how much software/hardware type work there'd be to do.

[@boomerangfreak]

well my motor now tends to get a bit warm (not at all too hot to touch, maybe like 30-35C). how would 1 regulate the current tho?

[@PrintThatThing]

great video! thanks for the breakdown. Love all the gummies candy too! haha

[@nunooliveira1570]

Nice review! Tks! Could you please tell us the external dimensions of the extruder pretty pleasy? Tks! o/

[@tysonhimself]

have you looked into the flex3drive? I have had one on my delta for over a year with great results. no stepper weight on the effector and no Bowden!

[@martygibson8656]

hey tom... where can i get a drive cog to mount to my nema that matches the mesh of the titan plastic cog? seems a much coarser cog than standards seen. thanks

[@bluelightningfilms57]

So is this better than the e3D v6 for print quality, precision, reliability, and/or material compatibility?

[@mattharrison303]

The titan isn't a hot end. If you watched the whole video, you can see that Tom used the e3d v6 with the titan. They both do different things.. The titan is the extruder and the e3d is the hot end

[@fredpinczuk7352]

Thomas, would you have the full specs on the package Nema 14. Bitter. Vielen Dank.

[@moseszendesign]

Top vid 👍 Did you try 3mm filament ? My idler cannot open far enough to release the pressure for manual fillament feeding of 3mm filament. Due to the idler lever interfering with the extruder body. Just wondering if this happens to yours too ?

[@phoen-gr7914]

may it print nylon or flexible filaments?

[@na____________]

Can you review the Tatsu v2?

[@rewsterprojects]

So, this extruder handles 3mm filament with a 1:3 ratio, and a pancake nema 17, while the lulzbot mini uses a full nema 17 and a 1:5 ratio, which is confusing me. In your making your own 3D printer video about extruders, you said that 3mm filament needs gearing. Please help by explaining something that I'm not getting. I am doing research for making my own printer, that will use 3mm because I have a lulzbot mini, and want to understand everything going into the design. So, how does this extruder have the torque for 3mm filament is really where I'm messed up due to the motor and ratio. Your content is quite helpful, keep it up!

[@rewsterprojects]

+Thomas Sanladerer ok, thanks for clearing that up! I'm guessing you mentioned it in the vid but I was tired.

[@sierraecho884]

I really wish they would update this extruder. A single geared extruder with at least 3:1 gear ratio with a big drive wheel which is also light small and cheap would be the best system for 99% of all FDM 3d printers. Dual gear has meshing problems and adds weight + cost while a bigger drive wheel increases contact with the filament and this would be by far the cheapest way to make such an extruder.

[@Dampre]

Do you have a write-up on all the modifications you have done to your Mendel90?

[@edwardboston8600]

I just got my Titan Friday and finishing up a mount for it to try out on my CoreXY machine. I was wondering though in regards to the weight when using a pancake motor, would this be light enough to use as a direct drive on a Delta effector? I was planning on doing a flying one, but if it was light enough, I prefer direct.

[@RacoonMedia]

+Edward Boston Good question... I'm wondering about that too. although I'm not sure I would use more weight on the effector.

[@Deserthacker]

+Thomas Sanladerer Would you mount it with some kind of elastic material or counterweights? I think I would go for some of the elastic tubing a lot of the existing designs use but I remember a guy in the delta Google group who ditched the elastics with counterweights.

[@Jacksquatch69]

Hey Thomas, I have been using the Titan with a similar mount setup ( I copied you basically because it was easy ). and I'm using the same motor as you. I'm using it on a robo3d and its been working flawless..but I never checked the heat of the motor. Someone on the robo3d forum mentioned it got SUPER hot.. i just touched mine during a print and yea its really hot!.. I can't remember if the stock nema motor got this hot.

[@JandCanO]

Can we get a review on the Reprap Duet board?

[@attende3927]

To ask does this come with a hotend? If it does, what is the max temp? if not, does anyone know a good hotend which goes well with it?

[@attende3927]

+Thomas Sanladerer ah thank you, I couldn't understand that in the video.

[@pravinwaze5526]

using a nema 17 hs 4023 stepper motor for 3d printer x y and z axis it is possibel

[@banolka]

Will it fit the robo3d r1?

[@bairdbankovic3242]

I bought an Aero Titan extruder and I am having so many issues with it. I am having so many jamming issues, about every other 12hr print, the heat break gets jammed with plastic, to the point where I need to take the heater block off. I do not know what is wrong, if anyone has any comments I would love to hear them!

[@protoserge]

Baird Bankovic I hope you have had it resolved by now, but if you still have the issue, were you assembling the hotend per the instructions? Your issue is symptomatic of an E3D v6 nozzle that is not tightened with the hotend at 285°C per the instructions.

[@singhm29]

Hey Tom would you mind posting the adaptor that your using to secure the Titan?

[@LukePettit3dArtist]

Did you have to change any setting in the software to run the pancake stepper? Oh and a link to the stepper motor you used would be handy.

[@boldslayer]

Do you think this would work for a Robo 3d R1?

[@techjensen6579]

can this be used as a direct on a Ultimaker 2?

[@kaanan222]

Great video Tom. I didn't think the extruder was all that great but you convinced me otherwise. what does the extruder motor combo measure with the pancake motor attached?

[@eca7773]

Great video as always!

[@luigidedom3570]

No instructions on e stepping for ender 3 v2

[@zzing]

Would a NEMA 14 with 24oz-in work for a setup like this?

[@brandonfesser1893]

+Jeffrey Drake Not without an insane adapter. The extruder screws directly to the NEMA 17 stepper's mounting holes, as far as I'm aware.

[@zzing]

My nema 14 is also 175g, while a pancake 17 I saw was 140 so there wouldn't be any real savings.

[@JShel14]

Where can I buy a "pancake" stepper motor? Is that the technical name of it?

[@ralakus8784]

Found this www.pololu.com/product/2297

[@kenneth120303]

Do you have a link for the file on that adapter/mount you used? Does it work on the Luzbot Taz 5 (Hole spacing)? I also purchased the smaller motor to try it out but the only mount I found for the Taz is for the larger motors.

[@pwave123]

cant find the review of the flexion extruder.... did you delete it?

[@pwave123]

+Thomas Sanladerer oops thought you did, we'll looking forward to seeing what you think.

[@sugatooth]

I got the Titan extruder kit by itself, but I'm interested in trying out those little pancake steppers! Where would you recommend sourcing some of those?

[@MeeKaaH]

+Thomas Sanladerer I love how every nema 17 13Ncm motor is almost sold out, and says 4/5 sold in the last hour LOL your video makes sales! including me :)

[@ulrichkliegis4138]

+Thomas Sanladerer See ebay #231657767162 - 11Nm, 0.9°/step. Same size otherwise.

[@ulrichkliegis4138]

+Thomas Sanladerer See ebay #231657767162 - 11Nm, 0.9°/step. Same size otherwise.

[@FC-xr1yp]

Can you compare them after you have review the extruder :D. cheers

[@wezyap]

Hi. Do you have a link to the "pancake"-nema 17 motor displayed in this video?

[@wezyap]

Never mind. Need to learn to read the video description :P

[@kage30000]

hello Tommas where do you get those "pancake" motors ?

[@boomerangfreak]

if I wanted to put this extruder using 1 of those pancake steppers paired with a V6 on my Wanhao duplicator I3 V2 could anyone maybe give me some more insight on the amount of work required. I know I'd need a new bracket of sorts to mount it all to but other than that would it require me to re adjust Esteps or other firmware related things? thx in advance

[@yammyguy78]

Tom, As always, great video. You mentioned this would be a good solution for mounting the extruder to printers that might not have been possible with heavier setups. Would you say this is something that might work well on a delta printer, or is that still too much weight to throw around? Thanks again!

[@yammyguy78]

+Thomas Sanladerer Fair enough. I was wondering if you tried it on any deltas you have. Thanks though.

[@RacoonMedia]

great review again Thomas, thank you. do you think a pancake motor would work also on a full bowden setup?

[@tomyracing78]

Hi Tom, the NEMA 17 small, where you can get? I bought the extruder titan E3D and the engine that sent me is great, where I get the engine you have in the video. Greetings and thanks

[@tomyracing78]

thank you very much

[@RichRap3D]

Great video Tom. I was just about to test my tiny stepper motor, so I'm glad it worked well for you. Have you tried Titan in the 3mm configuration yet? I'm tempted to try one on a 3mm delta mounted directly on the effector.

[@237sal1]

+Richard Horne Any advice on where to buy good steppers in the US?

[@RichRap3D]

***** I'll give it a go and see how well it holds up.

[@RichRap3D]

Sal Sodano I'm not in the US, but depending on how many you are looking for, it's often good just to import them from China, you will be paying someone else to do just that. The selection over at www.robotdigg.com/ is quite good quality.

[@237sal1]

+Richard Horne Thanks for the tip!

[@jacoborganek9306]

Due to the light weight of this, do you think it would be possible to make a direct drive delta printer? I'm looking to build one and this seems awesome! Great review!

[@vladmirputin7139]

Not a fan of the epilepsy inducing text flashing.

[@larz46672]

agreed. I nearly couldn't watch the video even though the content was good. the letters where driving me mad...

[@WhereNerdyisCool]

Completely agree. Less video editor play, please!

[@alectrem]

that was a video game reference.

[@daveyhi3154]

Especially since the flashed text was of insignificant importance.

[@TheMacroSlacker]

I thought it was sarcasm. He was poking fun of his own use of Super too frequently.

[@Karatektus]

any idea on how to put it on a delta effektor? ^^

[@planloschannel5888]

What do you think of the Ultimaker Original Plus?

[@3dbrink409]

What is the gear ratio?

[@Celtictool1023]

I have a Monoprice Maker Select v2 which I'm using to print PLA. I plan on printing the majority of my prints in PLA (and related plastics) for quite some time (I might stray into ABS here and there). My main interest in printing is landscapes for myself (I'm a geologist) and friends/colleagues. So, speeds and resoltuion are always nice. I'm considering upgrading my hot end and extruder from the stock version to Micro Swiss all metal hotend, E3D's v6, or E3D Titan, but I cannot find many comparisons. From looking at your other videos, I'm guessing it all boils down to money and creature comforts. Is this correct? Is there a valid way to compare these hot ends and extruders?

[@nikobelic2269]

Why not just use bowden setup? For price of e3d titan you can get bowden setup with beefy nema 34.

[@travisbills6202]

What is your recommended extruder?

[@mattmichael2441]

Thanks for the cool video as normal. Just a heads up the flashing/warping text transition effect you used in this video took a lot away from the video.

[@Enverex]

Did it though, did it Michael? Did you really have to stop watching the video or forget everything discussed in the video because every few minutes there was an incredibly brief bit of flashing text? Because I don't believe you did.

[@templatesgenius]

awesome explanation buddy

[@xpim3d]

great review

[@danielkruger4305]

How much does the retired Wade's weigh with the pancake stepper? It has a higher gear ratio. To stay in the reprap tradition couldn't you get most of the performance from a modified Wade's like www.thingiverse.com/thing:221082 using a teflon guide tube and a shallow hob on the M8 bolt. I imagine someone could design a 3:1 gear set to keep stepper rpm down when using a volcano hotend.

[@FifthDread]

super HOT video bro

[@SwapnilBhartiya]

Will it work with Prusa i3 MK2

[@Huskie]

Swapnil Bhartiya with the correct mount, which can be 3d printed might work without it idk

[@templatesgenius]

Hi Tom how can I be a full sponsor.

[@Jacksquatch69]

I like your mount, I had to copy it for my Robo3D. Unfortunately I still can't get ninja flex to extrude. I can start a feed, extrude about 100-200mm then it stops extruding and the drive gear just slips on the filament. If I retract all the way cut the melted bit off and re-feed it it will extrude about 100-200mm again..then get stuck.. Any ideas? Here is a link to my thingiverse mount with some pictures. if it helps www.thingiverse.com/thing:1530555 Maybe its just the extra distance like you said?

[@Kntryhart]

LOL...(6:30)...the right tool for the right job! ;-))

[@jamiekawabata7101]

Yes and even better is re-engineering at 3:33

[@briancruz4090]

i want to get and ender and convert my cr10s into a 3mm filament 1.2mm nozzle volcano vase mode machine

[@TouchWorld3G]

Tom, what's the difference between a "Review" and an "Honest Review"?

[@dylankirdahy9591]

This should fit a J-head too, right?

[@dylankirdahy9591]

Thank you! I absolutely love your videos, by the way. I've been binge watching your channel for the past week!