REVIEW: Matrix 5000 Motors (Godzilla and Sonic)

[@Spinxtercell]

Should I get a Lonex speed and torque?

[@valleyriverarms]

without any other information about your setup... sure?

[@TieDyeFTW]

Hey! I think you're right about the number written on the armatures indicating the TPA. I just re-watched this video, and the sonic armature had the number 10, whereas the Godzilla motor had the number 24 written on it. That stuff is super good to know, and I do think they did it for that specific reason. Good call!

[@valleyriverarms]

Someone else mentioned that in the comments below so I'm going with that too lol thanks!

[@AsianWithHat]

Have you tried the Evike Monster Motor?

[@valleyriverarms]

it's not bad. just rebranded Aim top.

[@fluffin6282]

If i got the Godzilla 5000 motor, threw it into an Elite Force M4 CQC Comp AEG (2014), what spring, piston (head and Cylinder too), Gearbox, Gears, Bearings, Buckings and Spring Guide should i have? Unless some of the stock parts are fine. Thanks for any help!

[@valleyriverarms]

depends what your goals are... I havent really gotten a look inside the newer elite force m4's yet.

[@fluffin6282]

Alright, well my goal is to shoot 500 - 610, using it for large ops

[@jtg971]

Kinda of a dumb question but i have got a stock lonex m4 and the stock motor it has seams like it is having an issue turning the gears , it locks up really easy, the trigger pull and response are really bad, would you possibly recommend this motor or another ? i am looking for a nice trigger response. Thanks

[@valleyriverarms]

Hockey Hunter If it's the recoil shock version that might be because of the recoil mechanism. If not then yeah this motor can pull it no problem

[@Hellyeah04]

Question, I have a Echo1 Red Star RPK with SHS 16:1 gears, chrono'd at 19.9 RPS today exactly.. I'm looking to get around 25-30RPS which would be a better motor the 3000 Torque or the 5000 Godzilla

[@valleyriverarms]

3000 torque. You'll probably hit about 25 with that and a 9.6. Maybe a little less hard to say. But avoid the godzilla if you want speed.

[@TheGenCow]

I'm going to be using an 11.1v actually.. Still the 3000 magnum ? This is my other account -Guasp

[@valleyriverarms]

Still use the 3000

[@TheGenCow]

Just placed the order for the 3000 magnum. Let's see if I can hit the 25-30rps mark which is my goal.. I like the matrix motors. I believe the high torques would be a better fit for my build, than a high speed. Thanks for your help

[@PRINXCRaZY]

Quick question im trying to put a godzilla in my jg m4 with stock internals and run a 9.6v do you think ill need a delayer chip? Sinve the rate of fire seems kind of low i figured i asked before i took anything apart

[@valleyriverarms]

+An Ngu nah you should be fine

[@cainzathorius7527]

I use it in a stock Daniel defense Cyma platinum without Electronic trigger, no mosfer, Nimh Battery and blown my trigger, wires over heat, Blown fuse and battery drained ASF, What is the proper setting to avoid damage with this engine?

[@zip8z]

You need a mosfet to use it like the gate titan

[@collincalcotemusic]

Me likey that FT. I have a Turbo neo can and a Chaoli motor and a friend who will combine them for me, but what TPA and what would you say to wind to and ratio gears to get if I want 10-15 RPS on a 7.4 and m115 sping?

[@valleyriverarms]

you're going to wind the motor yourself? on 18:1's and about 20 tpa you should hit that goal easily...

[@collincalcotemusic]

No, my friend is, who has worked on quite a few motors (including AEP ones). The only thing is I need trigger response. Otherwise, I'd just run it on a 8.4 and stock motor :p

[@bigboihobbys4870]

What size spring is recommend to use with a high speed infinity motor with 13:1 shs gears?

[@valleyriverarms]

Probably need to shortstroke and run at least a 130 spring.

[@FongDongSilver]

how does the Matrix magnum compare to the ZCI balance motor? im gonna be running standard G&P gears and an M120 spring.

[@valleyriverarms]

no idea never used the ZCI. I feel that the Magnum would work well with that setup but no opinion about zci

[@FazerFox]

Should I get the Godzilla 5000 or the Lonex TITAN Motor - Torque & Speed? My plan is get one of those with a SHS 13:1 gears, ASCU GEN3+, 11.1 lipo 2000 mah 25c-50c, with stock vfc vr16 spring. What would be my RPS on that? I'm going for a quick simi trigger pull. RPS isn't a big deal. Please help me and let me know thanks!!!!!

[@valleyriverarms]

It depends on your goals.... If trigger response is the only thing you care about go with the godzilla. Rps should be around 20ish but trigger response is snappy.

[@lukespratt4256]

TheGamingFox I know this is super late but im running a gate titan 13:1 gears an 11.1 25c lipo, and the Godzilla motor and I have gotten up to 38 rps from it

[@callsign_raven7668]

Hey, I have a Krytac PDW, and I want to put a Matrix SONIC motor like the one in the video. The spring in the PDW will be an M110, and the rest of the gears will be stock Krytac. I will run this on either an 11.1 or a 7.4 depending on what I buy, and how much does this motor heat up and will it fail anytime soon?

[@valleyriverarms]

+Callsign_Raven motor probably wont fail but you might pre engage depending on the size of 11.1 you use. I would suggest something like the matrix magnum for a more moderate upgrade.

[@knivesinedc]

I just bought the Godzilla High torque for my Echo 1 XCR DMR build. Im running a 7.4v lipo and stock internals. I plan on upgrading to the Ares Amoeba gearbox as well. I have the evike avocado-II burst controller and MOSFET on order, but im unsure if I will need a MOSFET that will stop trigger contact arching. Any help is appreciated.

[@valleyriverarms]

if its an ares gearbox with the electronic trigger there are no trigger contacts to cause arcing. I don't think that gearbox will fit in that gun though

[@ryancurran5801]

i have a jg ak74u ebb, i run an 8.4v with nothing but an aftermarket battery done to it. Im debating on wether or not i should get an upgraded motor?

[@valleyriverarms]

+Ryan Curran can you fit anything bigger than an 8.4 in there? You probably want to see about getting at least a 9.6 or comparable in there first.

[@dodlot1541]

I have a stock g&g r8-l and i only use semi. What motor would u recommend to shoot faster on semi?

[@valleyriverarms]

godzilla. it's all about torque.

[@GeneralAiron]

valleyriverarms i just bought my gp m4 cqbr and i was thinking about upgrading it to something like your gun (the one you showed in this vid). So can you give me any advices about the parts i should buy and things i should do like shimming (im not sure if it's shimming in english)?

[@haroldrivas5335]

Hi, i have a kwa sr10. Made some upgrades including piston, cilinder, piston head, spring guide... I want to put a Guarder SP160 on it. Would you recommend me the godzilla súper ht?

[@valleyriverarms]

Harold Rivas that motor can pull it

[@spoo1169]

I use a 11.1 20c lipo. what kind or rof am I going to get with the Godzilla 5000 and a m120 spring

[@platinumairsoft7290]

There is no way to tell without knowing what gear set you're running. If its stock 18:1 gear set, it should put you around 20 rps

[@IamProFish]

I'am buying a new m4 350$ budget. What company would you recommend? Please help... I was thinking crytech or KWA.

[@valleyriverarms]

depends what you wanted to do with it. I haven't messed with the crytac stuff yet but the KWA is a horrible base for an upgrade platform. They work very well out of the box though. I would recommend VFC or G&P/

[@douglaslau3673]

Hello! I'm new to gearboxes and the internals of aegs. I currently own a g&p magpul sentry. It runs on a m120 motor which is decent in full auto but abit sluggish in semi. I want a good trigger response as I play tons of Cqb and I crisp the trigger response is in some of the videos on KZbin. I don't want to break up the gearbox, so should I put in a high torque motor to gets a good trigger response? By the way, the battery I'm running is a 7.4 as it was said that using 11.1 will wreck the gearbox quicker. But with the new high torque motor in do you recommend using 11.1 or 7.4? Also what motor do you suggestions getting? Great Vids and keep up the good work! Looking foward to you to replying, thanks!

[@valleyriverarms]

Douglas Lau if you get a motor like the Matrix godzilla I would argue that you could run an 11.1 for a while without much damage to the internals because the motor is so slow on full auto and is relatively low draw amp wise. It will give you the trigger response you're looking for but your full auto will suffer

[@tylerkozlowski5505]

I have all stock internals in my KWA do u think I will have to get my my gears shimmed or install a mosfet to make sure that the gears don't fail. PLEASE RESPOND

[@opairsoft8100]

Tyler Kozlowski what???

[@valleyriverarms]

shim it

[@tylerkozlowski5505]

@@valleyriverarms aye 6 years later thanks

[@valleyriverarms]

@@tylerkozlowski5505 hey man you asked lmao

[@minecraftian1337]

How many rps do you think a 14:1 single stroke m120 echo 1 platinum m4 would get with a Godzilla 5000 and a 3000 magnum motor?

[@valleyriverarms]

no idea without knowing a battery. between 18/25 rps

[@warriorwrestler06]

Will they work for the Lancer Tactical gen 2 lt 25 spr?

[@valleyriverarms]

yea

[@RogueSystem087]

also one more thing, i've recently installed a spectre mosfet into my gun and i'm really worried about the settings and i'm having trouble understanding it in general. the motor breaking, rof control and precocking are mainly the settings that confuse me the most. what do you recommend using in general? (just for reference, my setup is a A1 motor with a pretty much complete lonex sp120 mechbox. i only switched out the piston for a SHS one and added a sorbo pad to allign the teeth engagement with the piston) i mainly intend on using the gun for single fire. it would be awesome if you can help out, thx a bunch! awesome gun btw! scary actually. 

[@valleyriverarms]

I honestly only have the battery monitoring on. Otherwise everything else is turned off. In your case you might want to turn light braking on but otherwise you dont need precocking and burst.

[@RogueSystem087]

valleyriverarms i see... do i still need braking if i have the anti reversal latch in? also i've changed the settings on my spectre now, but for some reason, it beeps after i fire it a couple of times. i've narrowed the problems down to a overcurrent/short circuit problem (because the wires get really hot). do you happen to know how to fix this? i'm not so sure why it's happening o_O (sorry to ask so many questions, but your M4 works so well and.. sounds unusually responsive)

[@valleyriverarms]

Assuming all your wires are in tact it's probably your motor drawing too much power. Mechanical resistance possibly. Braking doesn't really have anything to do with arl. It depends more if you have overspin

[@RogueSystem087]

valleyriverarms hm... i see. thanks for the advice! much appreciated! i'll try getting a different motor to see what happens :)

[@valleyriverarms]

Make sure your shimming is good too

[@DeathsDoorCoC]

Hey, I'm making my VFC 417 into a DMR. I want it to be firing around 500 fps (give or take 10 fps) but this is my first time trying a build like this so I'm not too sure what motor to use. I installed an M140 spring in the gun, and I've been told that the internal components of the gun are good enough to handle it, so I haven't changed any of those out. I'm going to put a longer inner barrel in as well. For a motor, what would you recommend I use? Rate of fire is not too big of a concern with this build, but I'd like the trigger response to be somewhat snappy. Any advice would be awesome. Love your videos dude

[@valleyriverarms]

The piston will most likely take a shit on you but all the other parts might be okay... The Matrix godzilla motor can pull that spring and will give you a pretty good trigger response.

[@DeathsDoorCoC]

Alright, thanks. Is there a certain type of piston head I should use if I were to get a new piston?

[@valleyriverarms]

I like the guarder polycarb piston heads

[@DeathsDoorCoC]

Sweet, appreciate the help dude

[@Brandon-rn3sk]

could i run an echo max torque motor with an m130 and 13:1 gears?

[@valleyriverarms]

+Brandon Raymond yeah you'd probably be okay depending on the battery

[@Brandon-rn3sk]

11.1 45c or 60c

[@FSUAGAMINGAIRSOFT]

+Brandon Raymond As long as you have a mosfet to intersect the electric current to reduce arcing in the trigger contacts. As well make sure your Bevel gear is correctly shimmed with the pinion gear of the motor to reduce breakage or chipping of gears. A 11.1 lipo is okay, id say around the 1500 or 200 mah batteries. But do NOT run it without a mosfet, and not a burst wizard or a cheap plug and play one. A chimera fet or a nuke fet will work greatly. Nukefet if your going for a budget friendly build then they are the way to go as they are 25 dollars. But you do need to solder, but its worth it as it will boost you semi auto response.

[@richardp1379]

I'm pretty sure you've tested my rifle out at evike haha. I'm looking for a high rpm high torque motor for my 13:1 build. I've had a stock kwa motor in there for a while, but I believe it's time to swap it out for a higher/reliable rpm rating. What would you recommend ?

[@valleyriverarms]

lonex a1 would be a good place to start I think

[@richardp1379]

@valleyriverarms Thanks ! btw thanks for helping me at evike with my g&p woc kit ! You've got some great work and info on your channel~ keep it up!

[@valleyriverarms]

Np! Glad to be of help

[@reeceengineering]

What battery mah were you using?

[@valleyriverarms]

+Reece Mechanical 11.1 I think this was a blue lipo 25-50c

[@reeceengineering]

How big was it?

[@valleyriverarms]

2650

[@christianhikita2603]

And also whats the difference between torque and speed?

[@christianhikita2603]

Is it ok to use a matrix 3000 turbo with stock internals?

[@valleyriverarms]

depends on the gun and battery but generally sure

[@ajkiklo]

If in fact the 24 on the Godzilla 5000 does mean 24 TPA, then the sonic 5000 is 10 TPA like you had guessed. It can be seen at 16:05

[@valleyriverarms]

it was pointed out below too. Which would be pretty close to the rps results I was getting on the sonic motor.

[@geeseberenhimer570]

Do you have a review of the satan high speed motor?

[@lillwuecke1707]

What grease/lube do you use in your guns?

[@valleyriverarms]

superlube and silicone oil

[@wjboetje]

Will they work on a m14 ebr battlefield edition ?

[@danielpatron6295]

If it can use a long type motor, yes

[@EvanDickersonM81]

advice on a good balanced motor? looking for a reliable motor with decent trigger response and about 20rps. m120 spring 18:1 G&p sector, G&g bevel and spur aluminum air nozzle and cylinder head shs lightweight 14 steel tooth piston ball bearing spring guide and ball bearing pom piston head battery 7.4 20-40c 1800mah

[@valleyriverarms]

Matrix Magnum is pretty good. Lonex A1 too

[@EvanDickersonM81]

sweet thanks man

[@EvanDickersonM81]

oh btw have you run into any issues with the lonex motors. i hear both good and bad things about them. just wondering

[@valleyriverarms]

I've heard that, but like any motor there are some lemons. Generally have really good experiences with them though.

[@EvanDickersonM81]

thanks man you helped alot

[@moe.lester3783]

Is it fine Sonic 3000 to 1600 battery?

[@valleyriverarms]

sure

[@moe.lester3783]

valleyriverarms what about you upgraded to 11.1 lipo battery 1250mah?

[@Eze_Aj_Steezy]

What is a TPA I've been hearing it a lot recently

[@valleyriverarms]

turns per armature

[@jassf1]

HELLO!!!! I've been looking into airsoft motors a lot for a project in Australia (airsoft is banned). I was hoping to get some accurate metric measurements on the Godzilla 5000 short motor... I want to see if it can work with a JM M4 gell gun build. Any help/info would be greatly appreciated ^_^

[@valleyriverarms]

you need a long type motor

[@connorwinfield9442]

So if i want better trigger response the Godzilla

[@connorwinfield9442]

?

[@valleyriverarms]

yeah that

[@bisterkding9249]

Also, the shinier retention ring would mean a different material was used. Hopefully it is steel, increasing the durability of the Godzilla motor. The steel ring may have been omitted from the Sonic motor to cut down build costs, as it would not be as necessary in a low torque, high speed setup.

[@andrewknudsen8370]

Can you make a video on going over your gearbox for the gun that you showed us for testing the motors?

[@valleyriverarms]

Possibly sometime in the future

[@therealbr4ndo]

is the godzilla really 24 tpa?

[@valleyriverarms]

Bballman03 as far as I can tell yeah

[@Phomex-or8zc]

Sonic 7:31 Godzilla 10:36

[@_A_A_101]

what does TPA stand for?

[@valleyriverarms]

turns per armature

[@lmJustGood]

Hey, I love your videos and was wondering a few things... Just bought a VFC Hk 416 and want to upgrade it to be a zippy, crisp trigger response. I just want the rps to be above 15 and below 35 and want to know if these upgrades are good and what else I could buy. I just bought a POM piston by magicbox, a lonex A2 motor, a new spring guide and M100 spring, a Lonex piston head, a 3/16 sorbo pad and a neoprine pad to go with it, a magic box cylinder head, some o rings, and some matrix shims. I want to know if the VFC gears are good enough to keep or if i should go to a 13:1 or 14:1 ratio...? I was wondering if the Burst Wizard King Kong super 2 mosfet would be good as well... I just want to make this gun perfect as it is my first custom internally built gun. It is a V2 gearbox and everything else is stock besides what i listed. Please let me know what else to get to perfect the gun and get the quickest trigger response possible. If you could, email me at [e-mail] as it would be greatly appreciated!

[@valleyriverarms]

wouldnt recommend the burst wizard. Most of your build list is pretty good though. VFC gears are actually like 16:1 so you can keep the gears for right now. I would instead up the spring to an m120 and short stroke 3 teeth off the sector gear assuming you want about 350 fps. Install a simple mosfet (the gate Pico SSR is good) and use an 11.1 lipo and you should be happy with the results.

[@lmJustGood]

valleyriverarms any specific reason to get the PicoSSR? It IS non active breaking and has no burst option (not that it matters)...? Do I solder it directly to the trigger contact like the burst wizard or just into the wire as shown on evike? Which three teeth do i shave off on the sector gear (first or last- heh im a n00b)? Should i get a full metal SHS piston and short stroke that too since it is a 15 tooth piston or is the POM a good one (8 metal teeth i think - did it to keep the weight down)? also would you recommend swiss cheesing the piston? Thanks!

[@valleyriverarms]

Watch my video on short stroking but you want to take off the first 3 pickup teeth. For the Pico you want to solder it to the trigger contacts. There are instructions on gates website. On only recommend gate because their qc is good and it's super tiny. If you want more computerized functions the fet will get bigger.

[@lmJustGood]

valleyriverarms Thanks, is there also a specific reason for full metal vs ~1/2 metal tooth pistons? Should I swiss cheese? Do I shortstroke BOTH the piston and sector gear or only the gear? Should I switch the POM piston to an SHS full metal 15 tooth piston? Thanks!

[@valleyriverarms]

Again watch the short stroking video. The half metal teeth pistons have more rack support but the all metal pistons are stronger on the pick up. Swiss cheesing never hurts

[@MrSatchyBoy]

Great insight into these motors. Thumbs up :)

[@AllAddsUp]

Took apart my Godzilla and mine also has 24 written on the armature. The trigger response is so ridiculous... I'm running some 13:1 no name helical gears, m115 spring, the godzilla, and a 45c-90c 11.1v. You just touch the trigger and out comes a loud ass snap followed by the tears of small children. Oh and a Gate MERF 3.2 mosfet. My fields chrono says I'm at 19 rps at 390 fps, and that's plenty for what I need it for.

[@53_ford_custom15]

will his work in a stock G&G combat machine?

[@valleyriverarms]

+HV Milsim yes

[@karlfritz47]

I have the Godzilla in my ak47 ..it's a beast of a motor. After a while it will lighten up a little

[@omarceja321]

Dude sweet vid! Subscribed! And awesome gun. I LOVE the way it sounds its a clean fast response. How did you get it like that? I want mine to give me a response like that. I installed a lonex Titan a1motor and a Prometheus m120 spring in my g&p version 2 gb it has stock g&p gears. Its on a 9.6 nimh. What else should I do?

[@valleyriverarms]

It should already be pretty snappy. A lot of it has to do with the cycle completion setting on the mosfet but if you want snappier you can upgrade to a lipo and install a mosfet

[@omarceja321]

Alright thanks

[@AMHobby]

Awesome Review bro !! can you do video of motor disassembly?

[@valleyriverarms]

I have 2 videos up exactly on that.

[@Eze_Aj_Steezy]

Which one is best

[@valleyriverarms]

the one your heart desires

[@erringwolf_9253]

Whats ur fps?

[@cortesius6205]

can you make a review and list of the items you used to make the gun you showed on evike with the seigetek gears please? and you sir earned a new subscriber :)

[@valleyriverarms]

I have other videos on that DSG I think... It should be like DSG test final or something like that. Thanks for the sub!

[@TheDarkstar826]

In the past, I tried to do a custom motor with my matrix turbo motor and my classic army neo magnets torque motor. The problem here is... My shaft bended.lol I don't know if you have any laying around in your room because I'm curious how it will sound if you put the matrix armature with the neo magnets shell. Mixing high speed with power. That should be over kill. 1,000 rps. lol But yeah... I'm serious, though.

[@valleyriverarms]

I think you're confused... The magnets of a specific can aren't specific to high speed. The torque or speed of a motor is more determined by the windings in the armature.

[@SirYuri232]

So a speed motor is for ROF and a high torque motor is for range?

[@valleyriverarms]

+Gabriel Austin speed is for rate of fire at the sacrifice of power consumption, heat, and torque. torque motors are for quick spin up and low power consumption.

[@karlfritz47]

Gabriel Austin I just installed a Godzilla 5000 in my Aug gearbox..gearbox just upgraded..I was on the understanding high torque motor was specific to range as it has to pull back a heavy spring typically.. high speed motor are geared more towards lighter springs .giving higher rof

[@kevinnguyen8498]

If anyone is still looking for high torque motors, ZCI HTs are 22 TPA according to what Ben posted on Clandestine.

[@GageDunnbar]

Great reviews!

[@ml052470]

Honestly dude, your ears are right to say that is does ramp up the speed the longer you shoot, cause I have a matrix 3000 Turbo motor too in my m27 IAR and it does the same thing!

[@ALEX-xd7ko]

Man 10/1 and high tork ? Seems it Should really have better trigger response

[@valleyriverarms]

very snappy, very slow.

[@loot7206]

7:17.

[@IamProFish]

Btw love the new video skim!

[@haroldrivas5335]

By the way im running a venom 11.1v 20c lipo and using a 425mm 6.03 inner barrel. My goal is about 500fps with a nice trigger response

[@valleyriverarms]

prommy m135 spring and a decent torque motor are good places to start.

[@JyZ222]

Great video. If the Godzilla really is 24tpa I may just go ahead and pick one up. I was looking at getting a zci, but I have been hearing that they burn out on occasion. In terms of the markings the sonic has "10" written on the armature, similarly to how the "24" is written on the Godzilla. I suppose there is a chance that those are potential tpa numbers. Anyways, great job, look forward to the next video.

[@valleyriverarms]

I might open up another one in the future to confirm but this is promising.

[@whatfor5]

You're so beautiful.....

[@valleyriverarms]

jst 4 u bbygrl.

[@lukespratt4256]

Have a Godzilla but I'm getting a Sonic due to the Godzilla low rps even on my 13:1 ssg

[@valleyriverarms]

yeah its slow af

[@ronaldharris83]

Great vid. Btw.

[@ronaldharris83]

I'm sold just because it's called the Godzilla

[@nickbryangaming8008]

It ain't good to dry fire your rifle also nice setup

[@GeneralAiron]

valleyriverarms i just bought my gp m4 cqbr and i was thinking about upgrading it to something like your gun (the one you showed in this vid). So can you give me any advices about the parts i should buy and things i should do like shimming (im not sure if it's shimming in english)?

[@joeyparedes1170]

Can I put the matrix 5000 high speed motor in my lancer tactical lt-19b?

[@valleyriverarms]

sure