Reviewing my UNSEEN, first-ever, Tierlist

it's a bit of a doozy...
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[@Woolie]

omg i can't believe woolie said ... was ... tier and not ... tier 4 years ago bro omg smh

[@earth88_]

what the fuck does this mean

[@nutty8871]

not enough family guy funny moments to keep me entertained

[@Zekfrom]

I love madlibs

[@laphyra]

23:05 you can use utility skills without canceling red whip now

[@parodyshan]

today i learnt ur wife has the same bday as me lmao

[@moreaverage4813]

Woolie: "I'm going to watch this back in 1.75x speed" Me: *already watching in 2x speed* "this is where the fun begins"

[@GraineagGaming]

Me watching at 1x speed because of watchtime metric for my favorite youtuber.

[@Edman459]

@@GraineagGaming based

[@jackkennedy-clark4768]

@@GraineagGaming based

[@h3xagon488]

Same I watch at 2x speed on default. Speed is war.

[@m4rcyonstation93]

@@h3xagon488 is "speed is war" from something i swear it is maybe like titanfall or apex

[@lorztakeshi]

"Once you start watching videos at faster speeds, you wont wanna go back" fine, I'll watch this video in 1.5x speed

[@ashketchup7354]

Nope can't do it. I have anxiety, not ADHD.

[@spottedwombat7103]

@@ashketchup7354 i have both and i cant do it

[@Bry-Guy909]

@@ashketchup7354 Speeding up the video makes it harder to pay attention

[@Flare_Tc]

I watched it in .25 speed( edit:I regret every second of it)

[@codybeames1534]

Same here

[@baer5137]

Now I’m watching 2x Woolie watching a 3x Woolie

[@xixon__]

My favorite red item is the Mega Jump Legendary Artifact

[@OneLynnK]

That tier list actually served as a wake up call for me cause I am a very crusty ror2 boomer who didn't even know that monster tooth was fixed and has been avoiding them for years. Applies to some other items in the list too, smh my head my head

[@crazyfriend50]

Shaking my head my head my head?

[@AttacMage]

smh (shaking my head) fr fr (for real for real)

[@XSniper74184]

​@@crazyfriend50 you don't repeat parts of acronyms for fun? RIP in piece bro, gotta get you some cash from my ATM teller machine.

[@crazyfriend50]

@@XSniper74184 i would understand once but twice?

[@yourmomsboyfriend3337]

@@crazyfriend50 you’re overthinking things bro, remember you only you only YOLO once once

[@Ozinarg]

So many of these early items designs make a lot of sense from a risk of rain 1 perspective. Frost relic being a red especially made sense because it was a green in ror1 and it *shredded* enemies. Monster tooth used to be not terrible, because the heals came to you instead of having you pick them up.

[@Ryo41600]

With a few mods, namely Magnetic Pickups, Monster Tooths actually become quite okay with the sheer number of enemies that die

[@broom673]

It still shreds enemies. The key difference is you're no longer forced to have to be point blank with enemies all the time (and you shouldn't be usually), so it's not even remotely as effective as it was in 1 just due to the shift from 2D to 3D.

[@elfrangofrito]

@@broom673 Another key difference is that the Frost Relic doesn't stack hits like in RoR1, it stacks range. So the damage potential inherently has a limit.

[@phenex5190]

Frost relic is a cool item, I had a weird build with like genesis loop, stealth kit, topaz brooch, and frost relics. So when I got hit low, I'd explode, go invis, kill 20 enemies, get 1000 hp shield, and get a huuuge aoe around me. And if you get a bunch of wisps or crowbars with this build it's pretty crazy. This was on huntress when I was a beginner and I kept thinking "wtf how am I killing the whole map every time I almost die?" I don't think I knew what genesis loop did until after the run, and I'm pretty sure it was an artifact of command run where I wanted to test frost relics, either that or I didn't care and thought no matter what red item I took I didn't have enough damage to use my abilities, I was just a mobile self destructing bomb.

[@JnJGaming]

The amount of times the Mask has killed me in Eclipse/Monsoon cause i got a Grandparent ghost that wipes all my drones and then me... I despise that thing nowadays. Even just the drone wiping, its so frustrating

[@aw0573]

oh gosh that’s awful 😂

[@cloaker609]

I had a run that ended in stage to cus i had a happiest mask and got a ghost of the clay dunerider boss or whatever its called and it started sucking and just killed me

[@michael9r9r]

I need that choking sound effect as a dono sound

[@thet-guy4049]

Please no, it'd be so gross to listen to

[@quincyisrandom7487]

Woolie: Gesture, F tier. Don't even pick it up. Also Woolie: Gesture. Of. The Drowned. My FaVoRiTe!

[@nikitachumachenko3412]

Woolie got so stacked on nostalgia he thought he was playing double rebar MUL-T in initial release even though that was impossible since loadout menu didn't exist before skills 2.0

[@Xandian]

I think one of the things to note is that back then, people thought the items still worked like Risk of Rain 1/were treating it like RoR1. Everyone looped once and then farmed the first stage on loop 2 because in RoR1 thats how you farmed items. You got to loop stage 1 and farmed bosses that spawned on the stage before you even touched the teleporter and eventually you'd hit a clover which would let the elites also drop items. Then you'd sit and get FAT. At least, everyone I knew and was talking to on discord at the time just kind of defaulted to this, even without clover.

[@NerdConfederation]

To be fair, Health/Healing *WAS* better when the game launched. Without Eclipse being around, and most runs going until crashing, Health was good in the early game until about the 2nd/3rd loop.

[@argonhammer9352]

Theres also like no good healing too

[@lolhuman25]

The old headstompers stigma of being a bad items still lingers in the back of my head nowadays, I just can't bring myself to think of them as good. Edit: Also about the wake of vultures, not only did it steal away half your HP whenever the overloading effect wore off, it also took away your 1shot protection.

[@skiesthatroar5402]

tbf vultures is just bad instead of shit now

[@hmx8694]

The losing half your hp part only applies to eclipse right, it's still pretty good on monsoon i thought

[@lolhuman25]

@@hmx8694 Yeah it only applies to eclipse. But even in monsoon I wouldn't exactly call it a good item. The overloading effect still messes with your 1shot protection because you have to wait for the shield to regen. Personally, I'd rather have most other red items.

[@brycepersons7575]

So idk how many regular teddy bears you'd need, but for the void version, 42 of them makes you immune with a cool down of 0.01 seconds. Basically makes you immune to damage

[@aschneider8912]

Woojie still criminally underrating Effigy simply because it skips pot rolling and also is a massive damage boost

[@iluxa-4000]

"Massive damage boost" - it's minus 20 armor, which is not a lot

[@BigDBrian]

@@iluxa-4000 it's +16.7% total damage, pretty strong

[@iluxa-4000]

@@BigDBrian assuming you don't have any armor reduction and in a very limited area, and even then it's worse than 1 white item. Not very strong

[@ThePizzabrothersGaming]

​@@BigDBriandepends on the armour of the target no?

[@BigDBrian]

@@ThePizzabrothersGaming True, but armor is very static. Without other modifiers mobs have 0 armor and bosses have 20 (15 for some) which actually nets a 20% damage increase. There's some special moves like dunestrider drain that give 200 armor, reducing your effect, but that's about it.

[@codybeames1534]

Knocking at 32:00 had me freaking out on my work lunch

[@ezeygames1914]

Bro i was terrifed even tho there was a massive warning on screen

[@imsosirius3151]

“Once you start, you can’t stop” is real, my dad has watched vids in 1.5x speed for YEARS

[@AmateurBluwu]

Woolie listening to his past self's gagging 23 times, what an entertainer he is.

[@squiddler7731]

Hopoo feather being A instead of S kinda makes sense. It's always been good, but it's specifically against Mythrix where the item becomes practically *mandatory* to avoid some of his attacks. No mythrix back then means the item isn't quite as necessary.

[@ig-rd5923]

Woojie might be one of the entertaining individuals of all time.

[@archer5331]

I think I saved enough time watching this on 1.5x that I have time for a quick Loader Speedrun. Thanks Woolie!

[@RazakelKairo1994]

Risk of Rain 2 is, in terms of actual balancing between items, actually quite good to be honest at the moment. Like even with some of the items that I always pick up because they're so good, depending on how the run goes I've had times where it was actually the smart thing to scrap, and that decision often saved the run. Honestly many of the supposedly bad or underrated items have. I don't think, realistically, there's a run where RNG screwed me over nowadays because you do tend to have a lot of control now.

[@stev7074]

I have a theory that frost relic was only made red in 2 because in 1 it was green and was the biggest win condition in the game, like literally a run became good the moment you got one of them it was crazy

[@ravimukerji6609]

I lowkey miss the old bands. They had that really cool property that if one procked the other one would too so it was like a built in clover especially back then when proc chains were sooo good.

[@southboston9413]

I can't believe woolie started to speak in 1.5x speed

[@2ReGaL2]

"I don't want this to be a 1 hour long video" Checks time hmmmmmm

[@facefulace5201]

Another little time capsule moment that might be mentioned but ATM I'm still early in the vid, is that the healing debuff for above drizzle wasn't working at this time so healing was gigabuffed

[@yoloswagger5429]

55:11 maybe woolie's brain is the one that just can't handle the 1.5x speed 💀

[@gambitben6184]

Bro I remember this tierlist, earned my sub, it's crazy to see it again in this new light.

[@Ghost-pc5nx]

guys, did you know "they didn't know a lot about the game back then?" I only realized after the tenth time he said it

[@_-___________]

Slow brains can't even calculate the spoken word in the time it takes me to listen to an entire audio-book at 4x speed while playing risk of rain 2.

[@kundrad8398]

You're all talking about x1,75 speed and it being a "TikTok Brain Rot", but we just watched (or about to watch) a video about watching an unreleased video with an extra commentary. We're basically watching 2 videos at once. xD

[@stopienstopien8108]

The only thing missing is family guy episode below the actual video

[@Lolturtle145]

Holy demons the clover reaction about made me spit my drink, lmfao. GOTTA be a new sound

[@zilaxd1094]

Woolie telling us to watch videos on 1.75 speed and proving on 1.5 why it's bad on the effigy part lmaooo

[@saeriel2310]

i like how playing an actual run of ror2 after MONTHS wont get me in the mood again but i watch a Woolie video and my brain is like aw yeah mate fuck yeah lets load up the game later

[@Zero0Kenshin]

Headstompers got worse after artificer got hover as it would prevent use of the hover ability (both used jump)

[@Funnyguy127]

If the teddy bear worked like you said it did 4 years ago, it would actually give about 53% block at 10 stacks. Also, at 15 stacks, it would already give over a 100% block.

[@mcawesome9705]

psst. you're using multiplicative/exponential stacking very few items actually use that kind of stacking outside of lunars if bears worked as he described, with a non-hyperbolic scaling, they most likely would've used additive/linear scaling that would give a 35.25% block chance at 10 stacks, 60% at 21, and >100% at 39

[@infectiousimbecility]

The gesture tier was pretty funny, I did a run last night with so many of them my preon had a 3 sec cool down.

[@MrTyjustu]

I said I wanted more of this content so I'm continuing to comment that I want more of this content. Watched all of this on stream and watched it all again, AND on normal play speed!

[@zpoo79]

I discovered the game late (like 3 months ago). I need more woolie risk of rain 2 content.

[@oreorf4569]

Even with "knocking incoming" 32:33 I still jumped I was so confused what it meant got me good

[@victorjohnson5646]

thank you so freaking much for the knocking warning. It still scared me out of my mind.

[@tacocat4065]

any one else hear a slight ringing whenever woolie's mic picks up?

[@ConsumeBooty]

yeah it's very high pitched, irritating

[@AkuraTheAwesome]

Do not watch videos at increased speed, it's stressful and tiring for your brain so unless you're a super chill person with no stress you should avoid it. You're basically training your brain to prefer information super fast so you make more mistakes and forget more. It also makes it harder to watch slow paced content and soon enough all you'll want is sped up content. It is a slippery slope to go down.

[@ziggle5000]

It's brain rot, the way he speaks and edits is bad enough already.

[@ShadowNinja9620]

Man i remember the first time i managed to loop the nostalgia

[@Ryo41600]

When i heard "Clover is A", i shouted "WHAT" so loud that i woke up my neighbours

[@konamiller]

i remember watching this tierlist. man has it been a while

[@dextreja3088]

The ocular HUD un-edit had me rolling for minutes 😂😂😂

[@light819]

watching this reminds me I have not seen a single atg drop in probably a month, idk if my rng is just bad but atg and ukulele are just rare as hell for me now

[@theslimeassassin3287]

“Young woolie hubba hubba *clapping noises* “ That shit got me ROLLING

[@scoredhealth9820]

Men are cool

[@raptorboss6688]

Men are hot

[@skiddris03]

@@raptorboss6688 especially the big black one

[@kiopsm8825]

​​@@skiddris03 4 big guys, you don't wanna know what happens next.

[@chonkules7654]

Hey my first compliment

[@maskettaman1488]

@@skiddris03 Don't be disgusting

[@SethAvalon-nu2vw]

The reaction to the clover tier cracked me up XD

[@ggmann13]

this was a really cool concept for a video

[@SephirothsBIade]

WOW. I watched from 1:00 to 2:30 in 2x speed. Your new mic is EVERYTHING. I cant understand a word with the old one even on 1.5, but the new one is so clear even on 2.0

[@reidfrancisco2823]

Watching Woolie for nearly 4 years now, damn

[@Zodaxa_zdx]

called out for defaulting watching at 1.75 or 2x, punished for rewatching the watch at basically 4x, truely the anslaught of verbal noises, peak content

[@kervnaci]

I read tje knocking inc and i still went for the fckn door.. had to rewatch to confirm it was the video.... waching woolie gets you hypnotized man i m tellin ya

[@RaventhortheWarrior]

Wasn't rusty key like, scaling odds of an item with more keys though? So greens became solidly likely with a decentish drop for a red? Thats only important in like full looping endless runs tho yeah

[@ThePizzabrothersGaming]

you needed like 30 keys for good odds of green and sometimes red. usually it was white

[@richard8670]

8:20 Idk about that, me and my friends were going by an arbitrary "5 minutes a stage" rule on release day because we were used to it from risk of rain 1. Maybe if you're fresh to the series then that makes sense but ror1 already had a community

[@LightCrib2]

Hey Woolie, idk if you heard but Warframe has a roguelite mode now that you can play immediately upon starting

[@brain5853]

11:20 new soundbite?

[@natetheviking3990]

At 24 minutes and 10 seconds Woolie try’s to block a stone titan laser with the artificer ice wall 😂

[@LightCrib2]

34:49 The timing with the double jump in the background

[@yoyuityegh]

even with the warning the knock scared tf outta me

[@lark273]

i had the video on my 2nd monitor and wasnt looking at it, just listening, and the i heard the knocking and it sounded real (my computer's location is in between the locations of two doors) and it sounded genuinely real. i panicked so hard

[@viviandrewcilla2244]

Speed is war, and Woolie does everything fast. Therefore, Woolie is war

[@lordtachanka85]

Back in the day all my friends quit the run because it was late at night or they crashed but I just kept going and all their items were mine like teleporter boss would just give you 4 items and so many shrines, farthest I had gotten at the time and it was insane. I felt so invincible

[@brimp4989]

Thing about the old kjaros also. The firestorm moved if your proc’d it so let’s say you got it off a mass of sticky bombs…. Well that 1000% damage flame just went off target because it moved away with its tiny AOE.

[@texasred8424]

i usually have youtube videos on in the background while doing other things and i think most videos at 1.75x speed would completely fry my brain if i tried to understand them at the same time as a different action

[@TheTroupeMasterGrimm]

“Don’t pick this thing up, it’s so bad” “I *LOVE* this item” Classic woolie moment

[@noahsark7568]

Artificeer is the Risk of Rain 2 character of all time. Artificeer does lots of burst damage, easily my favorite.

[@the_splits2360]

23:00 Red whip was changed because it used to consider movement abilities as attacks and then remove the effect

[@Strav24]

Headset was also a set explosion radius, and the damage scaled with speed not fall distance, seeing as you fall at a set speed when using it that didn't help

[@wuzzup479]

I did not take that warning seriously and my heart rate jumped to 188

[@CTaG14]

the woolie chinstrap damn

[@josephpolk9660]

I still love the radar simply to get the rest of the items especially for sacrifice runs

[@axesaw2210]

I find my main use for berserker now is when I get a fire band proc and wipe some small boys. I can wail on the big guys with the buff. Best case is I hit big guy with fire band and it wipes some small guys near him

[@karnnakz2]

Concerning the ceremonial daggers, they just flat out dealt a much higher % damage at 1 stack and the + / stack was also higher. it was just busted Wake of vulture, if you killed multiple elites you'd only get the effect on the last elite, where as now you get the effects of all the elites combined

[@ThePizzabrothersGaming]

Daggers pretty much autoplayed the game till 100 minutes

[@h1de2m33]

normal woolie already feels like he talks at 1.25x speed hilariously

[@supplantermusic9413]

"an hour and a half of risk of rain 2 periodically interrupted by fart noises"

[@LuciferLuckless]

God, I wish Teddy Bears worked like you said they did 4 years ago. While they would stack slower at the start, only getting over 50% block chance at 10 bears, they'd get over 100% block chance at just 15 bears thanks to the joys of exponentials.

[@LuciferLuckless]

Honestly the reason you were so down on the Clover is probably a combo of not knowing proc chaining was a thing but mostly the fact that Sticky Bombs were so good. Who needs to reroll your proc chances when you can eventually get Sticky Bomb to 100% proc chance anyway, and when you do it'll do like 5000% damage.

[@LuciferLuckless]

@Jaaaco 1.15^10 is 4. Not 4%. 4. Which is 400%. The formula I used is that the first stack is 0.15, which is 15%. Then every stack after multiplies by 1.15, which means adding 15% of what's already there. 0.15*1.15^9=0.52768, which is about 53% 0.15*1.15^14=1.06136, which is about 106% If you're going to try to correct people on their maths, it helps to at least understand place value and percentages :)

[@LuciferLuckless]

@Jaaaco You're right, I was needlessly aggro, I think you caught me in a bad mood. Sorry. I'm a little bit confused by what you mean by "I assumed 1.15 to be 15% for easier calculation." % literally just means "divide by 100." 15% = 15/100 = 0.15. 1.15 is the right thing to multiply by if you want to increase something by 15% of itself, but I think you got a little bit confused and forgot to start at the base value of 15% instead of 115%. Naturally, if the first bear gave you 115% block chance, bears would be an S+++ tier item. Then, because you started from a much higher block chance your answer ended up being much greater than 1. I think you assumed that you still needed to divide by 100, when really you had already done that by working with 1.15s instead of 115s. Thus you arrived at the rather unusual conclusion that if bears stacked exponentially, 10 bears would block less than a third as often as just one bear. As for how 4 years ago Woolie thought bears worked, I think there are two possible conclusions we could draw from his words. He says: "You get 15% flat, and then it increases that number by 15%, so, 15% times 1.15." He could either mean that it stacks exponentially as I assumed, or he could mean that it just increases by 15% of 15% for each stack after the first, so every future teddy bear would just add a flat 2.25% to the first teddy bear's 15% block chance. This would definitely stack up a lot slower than the exponential way, but would also eventually reach 100% block chance, so it's still not really feasible for a white item in Risk of Rain 2 to work that way. Anyway, this is probably way too much thought to put into one mans words from 4 years ago that turned out to be wrong anyway. I just wanted to point out just how nutty exponential growth is, even when it's a "small" amount like 15% each time.

[@Mangofdestiny7]

This video has ruined my vocabulary. Every time I see Headstompers in one of my runs, I will always call it the Megajump Legendary Artifact now

[@Winasaurus]

To be fair with old leeching seed, when medkit and monster tooth only heal 10 in specific circumstances, and slug was affected by base healing rate, healing 1 rapidly on MUL-T is actually S+ The only reason leeching seed is really bad now is specifically because those other healing sources have become so good, leeching seed is just a victim of power creep. Also, damn, that 0.2 proc coefficient on artificer explains why I thought she was a challenge character. Slow projectiles, weird recharge mechanics, NO 2.0 skills, awful proc coefficient and healing.

[@Nickerb]

I watch between 1,5 and 2 playback speed so you making the viedo faster doubbled my speed for it haha and I really can't go back to watch normal xD

[@roguebone1412]

Bro I love seening that you posted a video. Best ROR2 youtuber

[@Haloeddster]

You FOOL, I've been here since the beginning!

[@Sacredsnow2]

Cant watch Woolies vids in 1.75x because he already speaks in 1.75x

[@bootstrap925]

i remember when sticky bombs were so amazing, then they got nerfed in the first big update lmao

[@creeperizak8971]

I feel like I might have watched that video way back when

[@strengthsleuth]

Lmao I love how it starts with a defense of high speed KZbin videos! I watch everything at 2X so hearing that at 2X plus his faster audio was hilarious!

[@gamingmanlet]

This is pretty educational

[@kfed9834]

So I usually watch videos at a faster speed too, but watching someone watch a video thats already faster is wayy too much holy

[@kiwibirdnw3951]

Welp, thanks for having the door knocking sound woolie, I was watching the video playing beat saber home alone and I panicked when the sound played and broke the nose piece on my glasses. ;-; love your vids though 😊

[@Woolie]

rip

[@Grayson-ge7kb]

Me when the early Woolie Video belief is that the 1.75x speed and the 1.75x speed I’m watching on are going to stack for the extra speed buff

[@Moonblaster-bv7zp]

Me casually watching his ho bar go down every time he jumped

[@ThePizzabrothersGaming]

The way bears work is it's (1-0.15)^bears = chance it doesn't block

[@schaedli177]

never forget... the sacrifice... that old days sticky bombs was o7

[@tommo4356]

YES someone who understands the power of 2x speed. Its not brainrot, its efficiency

[@Strav24]

Warbanner needs its risk of rain 1 effect, healing for your whole team was huge

[@ThePizzabrothersGaming]

It increases your hp regen

[@Strav24]

@@ThePizzabrothersGaming only attack and movement speed in ror2. In 1 it gave hp regen which was what made it good