TOS Changes Or Not, YouTube's Monetization Policies Are Alarming

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[@crazycamkalani]

KZbin is trying way too hard to become like TV, but people love youtube because it is nothing like tv. Shit will not end well if youtube keeps going in this direction.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

hell freaking NETFLIX does well cause it isn't tv. Movies and Shows you want, when you want, with less restrictions on their self made shows and movies.

[@dubspool]

KZbin was kinda the home of free speech, where YOU are the creator, not anymore I guess, I can't help but get the corporate panties in a twist

[@cozimo64]

Become like TV? Shows on TV make money from everything in these new YT terms. YT is literally trying to censor the first amendment.

[@snazzyfeathers]

100% agreed

[@CrashCraftLabs]

why would profanity be added to it, profanity is part of my national language thats just garbage @OP 100% agree

[@MrJDG2011]

If they censor YTers because their language is 'inappropriate' they could start removing all the modern music videos

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Ikr, problem is often if a song has simplistic, even dumb lyrics but stays politically correct, they'll let it go (hi modern pop music), while a song with a message but politically charged might get a ticket for the garbage bin :(

[@ThatAnnoyingBird]

Or pretty much almost every YTer ever. By that logic, Pewdiepie, Markiplier and others are going to get *D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D.*

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Mistergamer9892 agreed. Seeing the number of innapropriate jokes they often make. I hope Robbaz is alright btw. He's a Swedish YTber like Pewd, just completely different

[@insaincaldo]

Nah they already vivo that shit

[@ArchieGamez]

So true mate, I thought most modern music videos has nudity, sex, alcohol, bad lyrics and etc? And KZbin doesn't give a shit.

[@moromillas]

If youtube is worried about advertisers being concerned about the content, then they simply need to find other advertisers that don't have archaic and abhorrent values.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

its not about advertisment. its about power and control, look deep enough i bet there are more specific reasons, for example bashing killery in you video just might get it taken down or at the very least have the monitization removed.

[@moromillas]

JONNY CRASH I need a trigger warning before talking about Hillary.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

a trigger warning?

[@moromillas]

JONNY CRASH Every time someone reminds me of Hillary, I get flashbacks of that shrill cackling voice.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

ah ok lol sorry for that then

[@raedrahman6188]

You Tube isnt You Tube anymore, its "Corporate Tube" now

[@xzs432]

Yep!

[@ragejinraver]

it's been corporate since 08

[@silentzorah]

Wrong. It's now "SafeTube," the one and only video sharing internet safe space.

[@gabrielpuebla5930]

+Iblis It's NO Tube at this point

[@FIREKING001]

+silentzorah Yeah I agree most of the complaints are from butthurt people who get their feelings hurt on the Internet. It's horrible how everyone is getting punished because a few of them feel bad when they hear something that contradicts their opinion.

[@Micklo202]

90% of KZbinrs will eventually become homeless if this shit happens. R.I.P KZbin.

[@wizardif]

www.dailymotion.com

[@wizardif]

Yeah Toast Shy-Guy Lots of people it's just not big as youtube

[@purplefreak3]

Guess it time to make other plans (if not already made) on other ways to make income such as possibly returning to a traditional job.

[@briancollins1296]

There used to be Blip, but... *tear*

[@Ionicblood666]

it would be a largest exodus since moses.

[@mjarbo]

Rich, you'll be fine. Its all about keywords. Avoid shit like ISIS, Rape, ect... and you'll be ok.

[@ReviewTechUSA]

oh i know. Still frustrating though.

[@Honestry_]

+ReviewTechUSA Another reply ayy.

[@LordNurgle777]

Im not trying to toot my own horn, but I was talking about this back in July, even made a rant about it, but everyone was more worried about the new harassment issue.

[@Lukeler1138]

+ReviewTechUSA Hey Rich! Big fan!

[@TheProfitOfDoom]

hello daddy

[@romanbellic810]

Flagged this video for not being advertiser friendly.

[@skyair3444]

Strike channel for not going bowling.

[@WW-fn7rt]

+Sky air Joke = Lame

[@MINNISOTA420]

Roman:"COUSIN WANT TO GO BOWLING?" Niko:"Sorry cousin I can't right now I am busy" lol as good as gta5 looks I will always love the original gta games they are so funny my one of my favorite features in that game was watching Kat Williams on the TV it's so funny .

[@carstarsarstenstesenn]

+Pakxs yea for real, I might have to flag him for it

[@V0idedOut-E33]

God forbid the AMERICAN RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH.

[@tannerlindberg8397]

youtube is a privet corp so they dont really have to guarantee free speech

[@tannerlindberg8397]

Some Would Say That you have no clue how this works or are extremely narrow minded youtube is not a us corporation us rules arnt applied to them since things that are legal in the us are illegal in other country's yet youtube broadcasts the same thing to both places seriously dude see past you're self for a second

[@FALLENV3GAS]

+Revenant Snievan Most of that is poorly written but regardless they have to abide the same laws as any other company. They choose what content but how they display that is dictated.

[@tannerlindberg8397]

Some Would Say That i like how you think everything has to follow american rules i guess the concept that international laws exists and is what international corporations use are beyond you

[@tannerlindberg8397]

Some Would Say That when you cant make a good comeback so you have to go after grammar please just stop the cringe it hurts

[@words3147]

Why do so many websites find Fascism appealing

[@CHAOS80120]

A-fucking-men

[@asmodai48]

Because its theirs.

[@ActionGamerAaron]

That's a stretch, Trump hopeful.

[@METALLIFY16]

+Justin sawchuk I hope youre kidding, or maybe you just dont know what communism is. Sure, you all make the same amount, but youre told what content to make, and people who put in less work get the same reward. That would be stupid.

[@ActionGamerAaron]

***** That would only be relevant if this were unusual business for KZbin. They've always been implementing measures that only normalizes censoring content creators especially since they were bought by Google (Alphabet).

[@thelastgiant5576]

They have KZbin kids app for a reason... Why shoot themselves in the foot when they're so far ahead. Many, many websites would love to have the fame that youtube has. And they would probably do a hell of a lot better! It's both fun and sad that KZbin tries to "upgrade" yet set them back so much farther.

[@thelastgiant5576]

FFS. Funny*

[@ActionGamerAaron]

If Vimeo & DailyMotion are to be observed... no it seems ALL of them so far would be just as bad.

[@ActionGamerAaron]

***** Tags weren't even in the old version. The fact they work sometimes is even better than not having it at all. Tis the truth, for as dumb as it sounds.

[@ActionGamerAaron]

***** Oh okay. Was that when we couldn't downvote comments anymore? Seems around that time...

[@ActionGamerAaron]

***** No, it used to serve the purpose, which is why it exists in the first place. A constant reminder of being feature-filled instead of becoming optimist driven nonsense, they could have just as well never had it in the first place if it was never supposed to be there. It seems about 3 years since when I was able to use it, but I would not be surprised if it's longer.

[@DARKSIDEXIII]

This was inevitable. And the way I look at it they'll never be a solution. Maybe KZbin should die. Only question is where to move on to.

[@pmaguire13]

Twitch might be able to make their own video sharing site (or addition) to equal out with youtube and because its already pretty popular It would make sense for people to go over to that if it was made.

[@DARKSIDEXIII]

+pmag I don't think it would do well as a video sharing site.

[@pmaguire13]

DARKSIDE X Im just throwing out Ideas and it seems like it would be a good alternative.

[@DARKSIDEXIII]

pmag Well I just don't think they could make the jump. Thats all.

[@liamodonnell9452]

Well I sure as hell aint moving to fucking Facebook, that's for sure.

[@bobross9370]

KZbin WAS platform full of opinions and thoughts now its just a massive shitshow...

[@ThatNormalBunny]

KZbin was also a platform where people uploaded for fun not money but look what is has also turned into a bunch of lazy shits who can't be assed getting a real job

[@Deadwarrior000]

So do actors and TV actors have real jobs?

[@lemonjuicejk7360]

+ThatNormalBunny fuck off furry

[@ThatNormalBunny]

Deadwarrior000 - Yea because they are putting effort into their movies/TV shows. Swearing in front of a camera 60 times and editing it to make a 30 min episode of Dark Souls isn't putting effort into it Anyone can do that

[@jeejee0013]

+ThatNormalBunny Go ahead, do it. We're all waiting

[@leatherface4662]

Political Correctness Needs to be stopped now

[@ricardovivas7686]

I agree

[@yourcatrex11]

It needed to stop a long time ago. Like, political correctness and SJW's need to jump into their bathtub with their favorite toaster.

[@thechillywinds5810]

Is this really "political correctness? Its just censorship for money. KZbin wouldn't do anything for a political reason only for a profitary reason.

[@sirlancelottington3035]

+The ChillyWinds Explain all the pro Trump videos getting their monetization fucked because the video is pro Trump

[@MaoRatto]

I fucking hate dick sucking, deep throating Polotical Correctness. I believe if something is offensive for sake of it is, then bleh, but it just so happens to be good. Let them be even more offensive until nobody can take it! :D

[@Untouchaable]

This would be their biggest mistake if they go through with this.

[@Honestry_]

KZbin is fucking over things...

[@TheSatisfactoryMeatstick]

Google. :p

[@Honestry_]

+The Satifactory Meat Stick Of Your Very Doom And While You Were Reading This I Stole Your Meats Milky

[@yungchildsupport797]

+The Satifactory Meat Stick Of Your Very Doom And While You Were Reading This I Stole Your Meats give me my meat back

[@sofargone9734]

Yeah I heard amazon is coming out with their own youtube or something, hopefully they provide good competition

[@BeckyBoop]

Basically, people should always consider KZbin ad revenue as a "nice to have" but not a "must have" for their business plans. KZbin's adsense policy states (paraphrased) they can pick and choose what videos they decide to serve ads on for any reason.

[@BurnTheController]

But people rely on it for their lives - it's their job, their income.

[@thatrandomcommenter2584]

+blake bortles Dude, that's just creepy...

[@dreamerabe]

.

[@C4DNerd]

+BurnTheController: That's the point she's trying to make. You should never let your life revolve around a website, especially one you do not own. It's just not a smart thing to do. It's nice to have it for extra money, but it's never a smart thing to make KZbin your career because KZbin can change policies however they want because it's their site. In fact, one day KZbin could one day decide to end the ad partnership program and just take 100% of the income and put ads on all the videos and they'd have every legal right to do so. KZbin doesn't owe you anything. And yes, it would suck to be in that position... but that's the lesson here is to never put yourself in that position where your job can so easily cease to exist at any moment.

[@kirby5329]

`˗ˏ Its Becky Boop ˎ-. the problem is for a lot of people youtube has been there job for years. they cant just get a different job that will pay enough too support themselves when its already extremely difficult to get a job in the first place. i'll be able to have youtube revenue as just a little extra money when i start a youtube channel because im currently attending collage and am planing to get a full time job not everyone is as fortunate as i am.

[@BromiskoTB]

Monopolies are fucked. It's better just to host your own site and monetize that with ads, and use KZbin to draw people to said website. It's gross honestly that work arounds like this are forced to being made.

[@DefinitiveDubs]

Ad revenue doesn't keep websites afloat anymore I'm afraid. Sponsorships or bust.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

@walkscast, you would prolly contact the company and request it like in most other mediums. thats how im gonna do it once my viewershp gets up there. dont care at all about the ads and if i can get a sponsor i will remove what adds i can from my channel. just starting out tho which is crash craft labs incase anyones interested

[@CrashCraftLabs]

thats just a channel i created for uploading game vids, i had planed on only up loading personal vids to this jonny crash channel for like family members and what not. CCL is like my brand or w/e lol

[@fake-kj2dz]

You won't ever grow your site ever youtube is a monopoly but all power to you

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

Monopolies or Government interference? Watch the documentary "Terms & Conditions May Apply" (while you still can).

[@veeveri]

KZbin has a disease. We need a cure.

[@pulseofme4949]

Rich's hairy ass shall be the cure.

[@matthewmiskiewicz8357]

+Nickplays scarce is god awful,feeding drama,he is the opposite of a cure

[@gedjpeg]

+Nickplays Scarce? Are you for real? hahaha dude can hardly put together a sentence

[@tronerman]

Just put them down. Let's go somewhere else.

[@442277100]

Competition is the fuel for invention and the cure for KZbin.

[@BrownDieselWagon]

This must be HUGE. Since everyone I follow is talking about it from people with 4 million subs to channels under 50k. This is the net neutrality of 2016.

[@NFSBeast2365]

shit

[@dubspool]

In other news, Congress has managed to pass SOPA -_-

[@sirlancelottington3035]

+Dubspool _ No. Fucking. Way. Please tell me that's not true...

[@dubspool]

+Smeggles No, not yet

[@MayAllYourStarsAlign]

It's affecting me too. I only have 64 subs and my video wasn't offensive it was just talking about why you shouldn't tell someone to kill themselves on KZbin and I can't monetize that video. It's so ridiculous

[@The08linkin]

I've been on KZbin for a long ass time, literally, this site has been going downhill since 2009. It's literally no surprise.

[@The08linkin]

But seriously, PhillyD is a KZbin OG, and KZbin is doing some fucked up shit,

[@SumDumGai5]

You're right.

[@MrSlashStudios]

+TheCristeo 2013 was the real meltdown

[@ericschuldt9031]

I remember when people started clickbaiting becuase youtube started paying people

[@batangasbitehandle2061]

Yep. In 2009, it was okay. 2010, we get annoying swagfags and 12 year olds. 2011, it goes full down. That's when all the fuckig swagfags and click baiters team up.

[@infudum]

Political correctness has gone TO FAR

[@adad87821]

poiltical correctiness if left unchecked will turn into cencership.....and look at where we are now

[@robintst]

Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners. They want to control your speech because if they can do that, they control your thoughts and then you'll be afraid to even think about saying something they don't like.

[@mr_imperfectiongamingchann1962]

+Alan Rizkallah (Yinz Gamerz) Thinking to those in power is considered dangerous to there establisment.

[@CrispyChrisss]

That's why youtube should be a hobby or something you do on the side and not a way for you to make a living. It's far too unreliable

[@ragenFOX]

it never starts as a full time job, if you get the chance why not. i cant imagine the life of full time streamers who mostly play the same game 6-8 hours a day . i get tired after 2-4 hours of playing the same game, unless im high as fuck

[@cacatua2429]

Chris save us, the dumb bleach jokes, the stupid harambe memes, the KZbin cancer

[@CrispyChrisss]

ragenFOX Still, it's best to have some kind of back up if you're really going to commit to youtube

[@ragenFOX]

Chris buy a business of some sort.

[@metrunui4671]

Maybe your passion should become no more than a hobby. Don't invest your time and effort into something risky like the media. It's not like entertainment industry is full of financial risks or anything.

[@R3DGaming]

Isn't there something called Freedom of Speech? Can't KZbin take our rights into consideration?

[@AttanoVenge]

The freedom of speech assured to us by the Constitution only protects free speech in an open, PUBLIC forum, as long as the individual is not intentionally inciting violence. It is not a blanket guarantee that you can express yourself freely everywhere, and KZbin being a private company can moderate what gets said to any degree they want and by any standard they feel necessary. Now I'm not saying I support censorship on KZbin (I don't), but our right to free speech protects us from the government alone, not our peers, and not private entities.

[@buttrockman4578]

This argument has been made so many times. It doesn't matter that you can pull out these technicalities. If you can agree that youtube censorship is wrong, you shouldn't be muddying the waters this way. And, when you consider the way that youtube effectively has a monopoly on what it does, regardless of the fact that it's technically a privately owned business, it is effectively the only viable platform for this form of content creation. No alternatives exist, and so to say that this isn't a legitimate freedom of speech issue is silly and dishonest in my eyes. Those laws were written in a different time, and need to adapt to the modern world, and if the free speech is to survive in the modern world, this must be recognized as an avenue of speech within which the same standards must apply as in any public forum, because that's effectively what youtube has become. To say otherwise is simply to deny reality.

[@AttanoVenge]

Axle Redacted There is no muddying the waters, its just what is and what isn't. Our "right" to freedom of speech is granted by the government in regards to the government. That's all it was ever intended to be. You can talk about freedom of speech on KZbin and that's fine, but when you bring up the "right" to freedom of speech I think people should know what that actually entails. If you read KZbin's ToS you can see that it claims to be as open a platform as possible, yet with cases like this we see that it isn't that simple. Id also like to add that this may be construed as indirect censorship via cutting off adds, but it is still not direct censorship via removing content. I don't agree with this policy but free speech, again, as a "right" doesn't fit here.

[@d62203]

Actually, KZbin is a such a large place, where so many people gather, it could be considered a defined public forum or a quasi-public place in legal terms. Basically, that means that KZbin and other large social media sites would be "...so functionally akin to public property that private owners may not forbid expression upon it." It's the same label given to malls, airports, etc. Defined public forums are allowed limited regulation on speech to keep it from impairing the primary purpose of the place in question, and what is limited varies depending on the judge, but since KZbin's primary purpose is the expression and distribution of unique content from all different viewpoints, most regulation on speech would hinder this, not help. That said, the law is kind of fuzzy about this, with decisions on both sides of the issue. California does tend to lean more toward free speech in these places than most of the country, but it would probably be a very difficult legal battle for either side to fight if it came to that. law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-01/54-quasi-public-places.html law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/tradforum.htm

[@AttanoVenge]

d62203 Yes, but that refers to public places in the real world, not web-spaces. Definitely a trickier animal. I'm not disagreeing that an argument could be made for that; it absolutely could, and it would be interesting to see how that plays out. But at that point the government would be taking away KZbin's right to moderate its content, which it has to do, for obvious reasons. And again, this isn't directly denying freedom of speech. They could make a law which would make it so KZbin has to host any content, sure (just typing that sounds absurd btw). But they would never make one that forces KZbin to monetize all content, which is what this issue is dealing with.

[@IntellitechStudios]

one of my videos was denied monetization apparently because of "executed" in the title, but its just a dude breaking an Xbox.

[@bluhrry7635]

Go get a job

[@epoch8150]

Kappa, go get a life

[@IntellitechStudios]

Beats Fermata actually, I can monetize them now, maybe YT actually did their job for once?

[@madwomansinsight]

KZbin KZbin KZbin... It isn't 2008. You can't change time to make it go back to 2008 with all the funny family-friendly cat videos and the occasional music video. Today is today, and you can't forcibly change the human nature.

[@akiriolu4117]

human nature is a mistake

[@publiclyunknown9534]

Edgy.

[@punkrockjared8628]

youtube 08 was way better it wasn't an autistic 4chan back then.

[@Honestry_]

KZbin is just slowly killing themselves.

[@frank-2martialoffrankoslav151]

no, check the rules, they changed it, you can't even swear now.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Wow that is sad. Sorry Google but this is the real world and the real world doesnt have safe spaces.

[@frank-2martialoffrankoslav151]

+Adam Smith so true, but I guess the SJWs got to them. prepare for 1984.

[@Sigelisvigel]

It's like youtube wants youtube to become minecraft paradise or a little kid website even though they have youtube kids app, can't wait for youtube rewind 2016 (it's going to be shit).

[@Vote4waifu]

Fuck

[@frank-2martialoffrankoslav151]

Welp, lets warn the whole website, better let them know youtube going to purge them like Stalin.

[@Markimark151]

I'm not a fan of KZbin trying to be commercialized and turning into a TV network like Netflix. Why can't KZbin just stop doing this, I hate how content creators are getting hit because of corporate people running KZbin.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

No profanity, no "controversial" topics which includes politics. It's like KZbin is trying to alienate all of their biggest players. Almost all KZbinrs, especially huge ones, are violating at least one of these. If Google doesn't backpedal the guidelines, this is going to drive people into the welcoming arms of some other video host.

[@ihateexcessivelylongandpoi4490]

I use adblock so no ad revenue from me either way. Oh well.

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

Its not just ads He Rich still gets money from his cucumber shirts

[@ihateexcessivelylongandpoi4490]

But I don't and never will buy them either.

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

Paul H 1 person hardly makes a difference If you think only you using ad block and not buying shirts will end his career you're dead wrong

[@vallgron]

ya those 5-30 seconds adds are very distressing I can't support youtubers I like because of them (being sarcastic for the retards out there)

[@ihateexcessivelylongandpoi4490]

You nailed it! No adblock, no KZbin.

[@philtru]

this wouldn't have happened if big queso had his 200 peso's

[@omegahaxors3306]

RIP Cheesegate.

[@MrSlashStudios]

never forgetti moms grand fromage

[@johndoejr.7180]

I thought this died like, 3 years ago

[@omegahaxors3306]

Cheesegate itself died but the meme it spawned will live as long as this channel if not longer.

[@MrSlashStudios]

Omega Haxors Yep, RTU memes will always survive. "Cucumber" "Richie??"

[@SwordSkill2]

It's the "positive" notion that ruined everything. Corporations don't want content which depicts negativity, cause their audience decline.

[@10191927]

This is the beginning of the end for KZbin. It became too big for its own good. Greed destroys all in its wake.

[@tootsie_]

Damn, last time I was this early, Harambe memes were funny.

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

The last time I was this early isn't a funny joke to begin with

[@tootsie_]

King Bradberry I did it because it was cringey, obviously. I'm probably gonna get top comment now. Then I'll actually accomplish something in my life, and won't kill myself.

[@Barney-ii1no]

tits out for harammbe

[@raymond9180]

Harambe memes were never funny. The only decent one would be the Rick Harrison parody and that's it. Also this is the next doge meme.

[@BadCompanyGaming]

*triggered*

[@JonFord]

Hey Rich is the face cam coming back soon? Prefer it then gameplay.

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

I'd rather have a Nipple cam.

[@mooganify]

Snek.

[@reviewanythingbuttechusa6748]

than*

[@GameFanaTICK386]

I prefer gameplay. I don't want to stare at a grown man. That's just me though.

[@DarkSpiritTony]

I want a hairy asshole cam

[@Mikeyalbum]

As a YT addict I have never once associated an ad with the video content. Usually because I'm too busy hovering over the skip BS button until the countdown of disappointment reaches zero.

[@jcrowley1985]

I say we all use adblock until they loosen these policies. If they will be so restrictive as to what content gets ad revenue, then no ad gets revenue.

[@SilverEspeon]

Or, we could all move to Daily Motion. :3

[@kungfubrandon6886]

I hate Hillary Clinton and KZbin ads

[@disturbinginternetx7337]

Ad blocker steals money from the actual youtubers though.

[@timothyhoneycutt3895]

+AJHunt143 gaming when you use adblockers the creators you follow dont get the ad revenue they would have from you watching their content. In principle it's like walking into a theater without paying. However, I completely support boycotting KZbin advertising for the sake of better content. But I watch everything on my phone so adblockers dont work ;-;

[@majorlanguid]

Well I'd rather keep my favorite creators off the street... So no.

[@Honestry_]

Their damn policy is rigged in my opinion

[@EmberGyaru]

Charlie? CHARLIE!! Oh, Charlie... Rich shot you dead :(

[@oleartur]

well done KZbin , will be much less fucking drama on KZbin. When I wanna drama I go to news tv

[@rareperson8508]

how so? how will this make less drama?

[@BadCompanyGaming]

I think we need a video-sharing social media that's for gamers. They'd become worthy opponents for youtube.

[@wildboar222]

KZbin didn't get rid of the drama, they just centralized it so all of the drama is now solidly focused on them

[@Hr1s7i]

Yeaaaa, let's listen to the loaded crap that news outlets spit, instead of the opinions of normal folks. Genius.

[@oleartur]

When i wanna know what normal average people think i can talk with friends or work colleagues. Problem is that youtubers to get views are talking about staff they have no idea about . Trying to be Mr. Know Everything. Look at Review Tech that man talks about everything i am suprise that with these level of knowledge he is just making vids on KZbin not working on university. That's only one example

[@hidemyinfo3192]

I always told my friends, don't just use one web site, use multiple of them. Don't just go to amazon, don't just go to youtube, because when they are in monopoly, they can screw you over and there is not a single thing you can do about it.

[@DxTrixterz]

Well Google. Keep pushing it and people will go somewhere else. What about Dailymotion. They seem to get more and more popular.

[@edengaming5021]

Monetization is the bane of youtube. KZbin was never meant for people to make "careers" from. Get a real job. Use youtube what it was intended for. Lazy bums.

[@trestrom6401]

I'm pretty sure nobody would use youtube if your favorite content creators weren't here idiot. Do you even know how hard it is to sit there every day and tediously edit video it becomes like a 9 to 5 office job. you don't just start fucking recording and upload whatever shit comes outta your mouth. Not everyone can be a boxer or a construction worker. KZbin was intended to be about you. The fuck does it matter if your getting paid or not

[@edengaming5021]

Not hard at all, when compared to a real job. and people like AVGN were making videos long before they were making "money" off it. People who have love what they do, will do it, in their spare time, and for themselves, and the fans. Any youtube "content creator" That would simply stop making videos because they cant make money off of them, can go fuk off, ,and Ill toss em a few pennies when I see them under the freeway in their new cardboard box home.

[@trestrom6401]

Eden Gaming Yes,many would still do it but since its no longer self sustaining many of the biggest youtube channels would have less than 100 videos there would be overall less content to watch, because it has not become something they can do in their in free time, and what do you think a real job is Mc Donalds??? or maybe your just sad that you cant be a content creator they sit on their ass almost all day just like your secretaries and your costumer service reps and your office workers the only difference is that since youtube is all about you they can get creative with their job.

[@trestrom6401]

Eden Gaming You sure do talk a lot of shit mr eden gaming lol

[@edengaming5021]

{Trestrom} Yes, I would consider McDonalds a real job. Why is it that company in particular seems to get alot of hate as if working at McDonalds is some sort of bad thing? Its a job. Not for me, but it certainly is a real job, with a real paycheck, and guaranteed money for hard work. Just because you (and many others) have their mommy and daddy pay their college tuition and room and board so they dont have to work in a McDonalds, Wal-Mart etc..doesnt discredit it in the least.

[@thinkfact]

I am an educational KZbinr with family friendly content and I was hit simply for making a video talking over death. As somebody who posts not only on occasion but the fact that I also try to dive into deep topics, this is quite concerning. I haven't been able to monetize said video for months and I haven't had any ability to find out what was going on or why until recently. And it seems to be simply because of the title has led KZbin to believe that I used, profanity... Goodness...

[@xodius80]

FACE IT RICH, THE PARTY IS OVER.

[@taylormichaels6950]

I dont care, youtubers where making to much money anyway!

[@ineptjedi3621]

They wouldn't know what to do if they had to get a real job.

[@FermiToll]

i remember Rich made a video loooong ago, he commented that is not a good idea to make a living being a youtuber, at any time for a stupid mistake they may shut down your channel, or like seems to be happenning they might change the conditions and screw you.

[@ineptjedi3621]

***** You act as if the content on KZbin is created by people with talent, lol. What the fuck does pewdiepie do that's so damn hard? There's youtube channels completely devoted to people opening shit, or the fucktards who just react to shit. Yeah, that shit is sooo complicated. How could I ever comprehend how to open something, or react to something. There's no denying that some put a lot of work into their content, and actually educate people, but that's probably 3% of KZbin.

[@truwho82]

Let's all switch to daily motion. No. Really.

[@PatriotsFan1243]

The more KZbin tries to become like traditional media the more inevitable it is to fail

[@DxTrixterz]

It's all gotten worse once Google got their hands on KZbin. If they keep doing this shit then hopefully people will turn their back on KZbin and find better alternative and KZbin will lose popularity. KZbin is slowly dying.

[@VinnieGer]

We're not leaving KZbin guys. It's just not happening.

[@chindvids]

+ThatNormalBunny well what if it is their job

[@watersnortmoment3734]

+ThatNormalBunny Piewdiepie is screwed.

[@ThatNormalBunny]

chindvids - Then they should get a real job instead. A KZbinr should only get paid by KZbin if the content is worth the money Now as much as i love Rich and Jacksepticeyes content they should be getting paid for what they are doing

[@watersnortmoment3734]

ThatNormalBunny Yeah, but that is their primary source of income, so you just said they should get a real job, instead of KZbin.

[@VinnieGer]

+ThePolocatfan276 who's leaving and making it? That's the real question.

[@JoseDiaz-bs1qt]

hey rich you tube cant censor my love for you baby #dicksoutforreviewtech

[@zaryel1337]

this will get out of hand fast...

[@elkadure2859]

+Zeryel Yes yes it will.

[@matthewcibor4601]

WHAT THE FUCK??? This is actual censorship!!

[@Torturephile]

I miss the "Broadcast Yourself" days of this site.

[@Oxydus1]

I think that actually its pretty good!!!! A Bunch of KZbinrs are getting paid, and their videos are being monetized and all they do is swear or offend. WE need to realise that kids are accessing KZbin, and parents cannot control it 100%, so it makes completely sense to censor content that does not fit the rules!!!!!

[@DarkSpyro707]

Then by your logic everything in the world needs to be censored. Sorry, but the world isnt made for just children. Adults live here too.

[@Oxydus1]

This is not a censorship, KZbinrs can make the videos they want, and speak all they want.... but if they want money, they have to give us Quality, so its a win win situation! Its the brands that give the money here, so its normal that a brand, does not want to be part on a immoral, controversial, lewd video! If you are a KZbinr, be creative, step up the game, be serious and you´ll make money the same... but if you are just a lazy guy trying to ride the controversial topics, the most offensive stuff, than i am more than happy that you don´t get money out of it! I am not saying that they cannot do it (that would be censorship), and they don´t do it, so it cannot be called censorship!

[@DarkSpyro707]

Marco Pereira "Its the brands that give the money here, so its normal that a brand, does not want to be part on a immoral, controversial, lewd video!" *shows Walking Dead and Game of Thrones ads* *demonitizes video for simply swearing* Uh huh yea keep talking man.

[@MrJigglebits]

why shouldnt someone get money for quality content that they make because some soccer mom cant tll her child to not watch filthy frank

[@Oxydus1]

Those are shows, not youtubers, and ads work a bit different on TV than on YT. On YT ads are connected to each video, where on Tv ads are connected with time... The brand does not pay the broadcaster to put ads on this or that show, they pay the broadcaster to play their ads according to the repetition number, the seconds and if its on prime time or not. The Brand pays for 20 repetitions of their add on prime time, and its the broacaster that has the responsability to allocate it! And you cannot compare shows you YT Videos, at least the majority here.

[@user-qy1pu7qw2n]

Just like North Korea an their internet, blocked pages an censorship.. The same thing is being done to us just slower. The internet should be something someone anonymous or public should be able to post without censorship.

[@Darthadios]

I honestly think they should remove this whole monetizing thing from KZbin, that brought also the copyright idiocies. And yes there was KZbinrs before monetization, but there was not greedy people with Copyright claims. So removing one problem removes the another. If I someday start to do KZbin videos, my channel will not be monetized at all.

[@IWALVG]

With this one action, KZbin has proven without a shadow of a doubt that their ad revenue means infinitely more to them than their creator's rights and integrity...

[@JustFunGaming]

I remember Google homepage protesting against internet censorship and now they do this? Contradicting? Hypocritical?

[@WarriorDan]

KZbin's taking a big risk here, assuming they're actually aggressively targeting content creators. Alternatively though, this could just be a poorly-explained attempt at being more transparent with demonetization, like they claim, so we'll just have to wait and see. If this is them just being more transparent with their pre-existing demonetization process, fantastic. If this is something new though, and they lied about it, shit just hit the fan.

[@BaltaBueno]

It would be a really good idea to move to another site to send a message to KZbin, but there is one huge problem with this. Everyone has to leave at the same time to get things moving fast because if we don't, those who leave will fail miserably real quick and the ones who stay will benefit greatly by lack of competition and increased audience.

[@purefoldnz3070]

KZbin pretty much makes nothing for Google. They barely break even on it.

[@magasquage]

Right when he talks about not getting ads on videos, an ad played lmao

[@dmath1490]

Funny thing, advertisers dont really care because their not sponsoring the videos.

[@CronyneWARE]

Honestly I don't even associate the ads with what I watch. Ever. They're COMPLETELY separate. I'm surprised companies care.

[@MrWhite5150Duke]

seems like soft censorship. the "main stream" channels are unaffected, while "alternative independent " news sources are impacted. it's worth keeping an eye on, as a viewer.

[@corruptedpoison1]

It seems to me that KZbin needs competition... Eventualy they will start making those 3 minute videos mandatory and not skippible after 5 seconds.

[@callofdutyfreak10123]

The reason is because companies were pulling advertisements due to the negativity on some videos. It started with the no cyber bullying policy, and is increasing with this on.

[@KiteAsHigh]

I've missed quite a few videos so sorry if this question has been common but did Rich go back to gameplay?...Or is this a temporary thing and he'll go back to the cam setup?

[@killvader1001]

he'd better do. i'm sick of him bullshitting and changing back and forth

[@bigcheesetrolling8602]

Richie said he got more views from gameplay therefore we get gameplay. views =$$$ guess he spent my 200 and is scared

[@janmichael9004]

does it really matter?

[@killvader1001]

The Kotal of Khan * i dont care which it is but why can't he stick with one?

[@whistlerharris7]

Google did this same type of thing to us Adword advertisers (our ad dollars built Google) when they started to attract bigger mainstream advertisers and had collected billions and billions worth of data. Next will come the lifetime ban hammer. Listening to all of this talk is very much the same type things we were saying in 05-09 with Google saying nope nothing has changed.

[@cartmanbeer]

I hope this is just a mix up, if not, fuck KZbin. We'll all go somewhere else and carry on as normal.

[@00reaping00]

I think its the Advertising companies want to make KZbin, tv friendly. Watered down news and the like. Companies that put their ad's on the web don't understand the internet and that its not tv or the 1950's.

[@00reaping00]

Or it could be a way for news channels to compete with youtube news. Can people stop trying to make everything PG or PG13 please?

[@Qscraps]

This is a slippery slope. Policies like these can easily be used to censor things that are strictly unliked by some advertisers. Pepsi could come on and say "we will give you millions but only if you demonitize pro-trump channels" and youtube will feel that greedy pressure to do so.

[@HooverHarvest]

What capture card are you currently using? Also what video camera are you using for live action recordings of yourself?

[@IFDFAdmiralY11]

Here's a question KZbin should ask: do the advertisers actually CARE? These guidelines have been around since 2015, but not ONCE have I heard a story about an advertiser getting into a fight with Google because one of the youtubers who used their ads had swearing or reported on real world news.

[@Slot1Gamer]

Videos can have ads but not be monitized

[@ThatNormalBunny]

Example: Videos claimed by 3rd Party companies/Copyright

[@theodorehodbor5080]

Then what's the point of the fucking ad if you aren't making money off of it?

[@Slot1Gamer]

Theodore Hodbor oh I don't know.. to pay google for the FREE HOSTING

[@Hr1s7i]

+Slot1Gamer don't bother. People these days have some serious entitlement issues.

[@signatient.5012]

funny this starts to happen just when i was workin on getting some go pros and cameras and ideas i had set up around my game studio and i was going to launch my channel fully... now i just dont kno if i should invest my time into trying to start this journey ...

[@Zenkai.boost.Kekkei.Genkai]

this youtube money gig is the biggest cancer on the internet right now.

[@RickAt19348]

So how will this affect music uploads? Artists who have KZbin channels that upload music for free, are they gonna not upload as much if they can't get ad revenue because of the content?

[@imortal333]

I really don't know why I didn't sub to you a long time ago. You do a really good job of explaining your side of the issue without flying into a rage like many youtubers and that sometimes, that has a more powerful effect than yelling.

[@MayAllYourStarsAlign]

I uploaded a video about the importance of never telling someone to kill themselves and how I was attacked personally on KZbin comment sections and apparently that content is too "sensitive" and I can't monetize my video. I don't make any money but many like 3 cents a month, but it still is Pissing me off that KZbin is doing this to me.

[@Maximooch]

Why does KZbin give me horror ads at late at night? And I can't even skip them.

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

KZbin trying to appeal to kids for advertisement but kids can't even afford what's being advertised

[@Nathanallenpinard]

Having a music channel with ads is pretty tough. Some don't value a song by itself (no music video) worth of an ad. And frankly it's annoying when you have a playlist going.

[@Samm815]

"Friendly reminder from Big Brother: paper burns at 451 degrees fahrenheit."

[@TheCountOfMommysCrisco]

Meanwhile at KZbin HQ... *Marketing Director:* "We just picked up an advertising contract with Chic-Fil-A" *KZbin CEO:* "Great! Now we can de-monetize all the channels with gay people on them."

[@79Dtrain]

I don't see how this is censorship. they didn't say you couldn't say whatever you wanted to. They're just telling you that advertisers reserve the right to not have their product associated with yours if they feel it doesn't fit or represent their product in the way they want. They pay KZbin to promote their product so don't you think it's fair they have a say what content they're going to be labeled with?

[@nervmeister]

Remember that "gentrification" speech from South Park? I can think of no better way to describe what's currently happening to KZbin right now.

[@CrimsonFace]

This reminds me anyone know how to run Bioshock on Windows 7 I have tried all of the fixes. It worked, then I launched troguh steam instead of the .exe and I think it fucked up the directx and can't play anymore. Either way I can get the remaster for free, which will probably fix the compatability issues.

[@donart3901]

What's even sadder is the fact that they have live people reviewing these videos, when they should have them review the fair-use videos constantly being taken down.

[@AndWhyAreYouHere]

The migration of the herd. Napster, MySpace, KickAssTorrents, KZbin, and soon to be PornHub.

[@Oddbrother]

I thought it was The Pirate Bay.

[@tom11zz884]

Myspace use to rock...just needed a video platform and it may have become the KZbin that KZbin is now.

[@imazombiehunterdad]

For some reason, this reminds me of what happened to MySpace. An unstoppable juggernaut that had no competition and died because of it's own doing. Becasue KZbin is top dog and has no competition it has nothing to keep its self in check. Whether this is the beginning of the end of KZbin or not, certainly the next few years are going to be very interesting.

[@millgiass]

KZbin changed my videos from monetized to "Unavailable for Monetization" I didn't get any strikes and I don't know what's up. This happened to me MONTHS ago. My shit was just videos of gameplay footage with commentary. There wasn't anything questionable in my videos. They did it to ALL my videos.

[@SpikeRazzor]

KZbin is a prime example of why you need healthy competition between at least a handful of companies otherwise you're actively getting screwed.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I think everyone's got my thoughts on this pretty infamous "change" covered, so I'll comment something unrelated: The *exact second* you spoke "gun shy" it was then you got the Revolver while the Bioshock footage was going. That's some fucking incredible timing.

[@vanpuwu]

Hope KZbin can get their sh*t together, it's scary af knowing that at any second now your videos can't be advertised.

[@innosam123]

Why is KZbin shooting themselves in the Foot?

[@iamex0dia]

You didn't include the 50+ million users in the US alone who use ad blocking software. It's not just KZbin and their TOS.

[@user10476]

So... if a video isn't ad friendly, does that mean I won't see any ads in or before it? In that case, I would be up for paying something to the channels I'm subscribed to directly (Patreon?) if they would make all videos ad unfriendly.

[@TushantMirchandani]

I suppose this is what happens in the market - when you have severe competition, you will do anything you can to get more users and consumers to pick you over any other alternative, including providing a platform for free expression. But the moment you begin to dominate the market, with certainty that majority of your users have nowhere else to go even if there are alternatives, you wouldn't lose much by taking steps to shoot your own consumers in the foot if that can get you more profits.

[@OldSchoolDudeGaming]

They want bigger advertisers to make more money but with these changes, did they increase add revenue for creators? Nope.

[@Strikernofear]

Is this happening just on news type videos or are all formats targeted by this? Because if it's just the news, the whole thing gonna start to look really odd.