REVISED Coturn CT-01 portable vinyl record player - Worth the premium? (RE-UPLOADED)

[@ItsJustAlk]

Issues aside, the industrial design of this thing is a joy to behold. I hope the team behind this product keeps working on improving it because this design alone deserves it. Great video as usual and have a nice week

[@BanCorporateOwnedHouses]

It seems like this company, Coturn, at least wants to continue to improve their product, and is taking proactive steps at continuing to squish any issues you may have had. Hell, the Sound Burger competition may speed up their efforts too.

[@Kalvinjj]

Kudos for them to keep the 18650 cells on sockets. That's great for repairability, given batteries WILL at one point degrade, and a standard size like that, not soldered even, is just the best option bar none. Sure... A separate door for that alone would be better but only marginally, considering it opens up with screws only and then you also access the belt, another thing easy to access and replace. And yes the headphone jack is very welcome as well.

[@bellycuda]

A Techmoan video, more anticipated than the Superbowl commercials!

[@jackimhoff6767]

Sports suck

[@pomonabill220]

I did hear the sound problems, but they were not at all annoying to me. Thank you for the review. I, too, would prefer the sound burger and work around the shortcomings.

[@smwsmwsmw]

This video is a perfect demonstration of why spring loaded tonearms are not used on better quality turntables; you usually find them combined with inexpensive ceramic cartridges with sapphire styli. Even if the tracking force on a spring balanced arm was right on the money at the correct height, the problem is that many records are not perfectly flat, and a radial warp would cause the tracking force to vary from too high to too low throughout the rotation of the record.

[@BG101UK]

Those were my thoughts as well. Also, I'd expect this to be even worse with record changers! The old BSR ones usually had spring-loaded tonearms.

[@smwsmwsmw]

@@BG101UK Ooh, good point. That completely slipped my mind.

[@beefchicken]

Constant force springs are a thing.

[@DeathMayBeYourSantaClausz]

Yeah but it does mean you can play the record on an uneven surface, which is much more likely to be the case with a portable player. My Ion IPT-01 can play a record while fully vertical because of the sprung arm. These are not "better quality" turntables and are not intended to be

[@smwsmwsmw]

@@DeathMayBeYourSantaClausz Maybe, but you're not getting the correct stylus pressure.

[@Hagemann666]

As a child of the 1980s I really enjoy the content of your videos. You talk about the things that I lusted after in my youth and you show how they work, take them apart and repair them...all the stuff that makes my audio geek eyes light up. But you're also up-to-speed on modern technologies so you're able to straddle the worlds of the 1980s and 90s and the world of today, which is perfect for devices like the Coturn CT-01 and the Sound Burger. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@SydneyDrums]

Even with slight imperfections in sound you still make some of the greatest content on KZbin, I always look forward to a new video from you Matt and have done for years now.

[@ConstantThrowing]

Stopped being recommended your videos, and started getting spammed with suggestions of users I don't watch and aren't subscribed to. Glad I found my way back!

Thank you for sharing your great video. These things are imposible to get in Argentina with 400% inflation so you help us to admire what is to live in a normal country. Cheers from Patagonia

[@Daniel-79]

That’s good of you to revise your video. I have nothing against Coturn and I’m sure 4g tracking force won’t chew up your records. With that in mind, a 450gbp turntable should track within the cartridge specs. Coturn needs to have a quality standard or they’ll never survive.

[@giovanniturco6428]

So you paid all that money for the item they made you pay the import charges if it was me I would have refused the package ask for a full refund back what a cheek

[@okbanlon]

Very nice video! I appreciate your attention to detail and your desire to dig deep into the technical issues and comparisons! Very, very well done!

[@dm1i]

If it's a spring-loaded arm, it's probably possible to adjust the force without adding a weight to it.

[@constantiu]

Another important difference between the Soundburger and Coturn is that while the first has adopted the normal overhang, the latter is underhung which makes me wonder how does it behave in terms of distortion...

[@bryede]

Yes, I noticed the apparent lack of overhang and cartridge offset angle which means the tracking error is going to be very high on the Coturn.

[@roflo77]

You can hear it in the sound comparison. Illustrates how important that factor is, considering they use the same cartridge (even with tracking force differences)

[@donmoore7785]

With some research, it became obvious that the force generally needs to be measured at the exact height of record suface. I thought that your scale might be designed to mimic the thickness of a record, and you are supposed to use it right on the platter. But the platter of the CT-01 is quite small. It does look like the force still is too high based on your testing. Kudos on the quick edit and reupload. Hopefully COTURN will be back to comment.

[@theol1044]

What immediately kills this thing for me, disregarding the price, is that straight tonearm without any offset for the cartridge. It's sad to see that the fundamentals of turntable desing seem do get increasingly forgotten (for the looks?). Just look at the AT for comparison.

[@johni1842]

If you look closely, the cartridge is mounted on a slight angle to the tonearm. So there was some thought and design considered here...

[@theol1044]

@@johni1842 That's what I had been asking myself, and for that reason I now had another look at the company's home page. It was there that it dawned on me: Not only *is* the cartridge dead-straight on the photos there, this is also an underhung tonearm (effective lenght of the arm shorter than pivot-spindle distance), as can clearly be seen in the video from 10:42. An underhung tonearm is a fundamentally flawed design in itself, and only good for 'turntablism'.

[@guessundheit6494]

229 Euros for the Soundburger? Cripes, I should buy some and sell them online. They're selling for NTD$5800 in Taiwan, which is only 179 Euros. I bought my "portable" record player (Numark PT-01 Scratch) for it's compactness and use in a tiny apartment, not to carry around. Those two look good, but somehow don't look as sturdy.

[@jonnymccall9782]

Nice to see the Fidelio X2HR headphones in this. I’ve Been using them every day for about two years and adore them.

[@CtrlOptDel]

Mister Taylor, you have shown your quality, sir - the very highest.

[@martinda7446]

Really they are both novelty players. As someone who has designed and built turntables and set up thousands over forty years, I can confidently say, re. performance differences between these two, don't worry about it.

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

the AT is far from a novelty player. It's well designed and constructed portable dependable player.. at least the original one is. You designed and built turntables? for what company? Or are you talking building plinth that you drop off the shelf components into... that's different than what I think you're trying to say. Maybe you can show your audience what you built (thousands) over all those years. I'm sincerely interested in what you're referring to. Let's see some examples.

[@andymouse]

Sounds like good common sense to me. Thanks.

[@andymouse]

@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 You start out with an opinion then proceed to tear the bloke apart, why ? and I think in the Turnable world they would be classed as a 'novelty' I mean "Sound Burger" WTF is that all about. So let's see your credentials then.

[@grubdotwebsite]

Entirely likely you've already received hundreds of comments about this, but I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts about Victrola's entry into the portable battery operated turntable world, the revolution go. I was skeptical at first but it's actually got an AT3600 cartridge and tracks at like 3.5g. I've hardly seen anything about it online, seems like it kinda flew under the radar.

[@worldcomicsreview354]

Victrola used to "make" (read: get their logo printed on) Crosley clones, have they got something decent out now?

[@Jimyjames73]

Always enjoy watching your vids Mat (Even thou it was a REVISED RE-UPLOAD) the sound (even thou I did notice it a bit) was not a problem!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂

[@JeSuisUnePatate]

Great vid - Little sound issues aren't that bad for me; the review and content is way more important and I really appreciate it! I have and use the new Sound Burger since two months now and I LOVE IT ! I can't tell if the speed changed over time as I don't have what you got for testing, but my ears are happy... :) Looking at the Coturn, it looks awesome too, but I'm a bit concerned about the arm over time. Like you demonstrated it, but also the push/release/push/closing mechanism that I'm a bit afraid over the usage and years to come... I might be totally wrong tho. I really like that there's a competitor tho! I'm wondering if AudioTechnica will improve the 2022 SB version (probably eh?). PS: Let the notifications on as I almost missed this video ;)

[@slovitzmusic8201]

REVISED: still a piece of shit. Overpriced and over designed. Why is it so hard to make a decent turntable?? After over a 100+ years of making turntables in this world?! We had Sony PS-F9, we have Sound Burger - the old and the new one. WHY this struggle?!

[@richardedaniels]

Listening to these videos with headphones is more enjoyable.

[@spicynachohaggis7756]

I appreciate your efforts to get out the best information you can ,thank you.

[@THESCUMMBAR]

Gods damn it. KZbin is doing that thing again where your videos do not appear on my subscription list. Out of all the channels I am subscribed to this only happens with you and is beyond annoying.

[@chrishodgkinson523]

I wonder what is causing the speed issues in the sound burger when playing 45s? I will probably buy a sound burger when they come back out in the spring as it's a lot cheaper and I assume you have to pay import duties on the Coturn. Great video, and I didn't have an issue with the sound. Thanks

[@erwintimmerman6466]

Probably a faulty pot. All things that are easily adjusted with small analog screw pots depend heavily on the quality of that pot

[@3DJapan]

I didn't hear any sound issues. The Coturn is much nicer looking in my opinion and seems slightly better quality but I'm not sure I'd pay almost double.

[@erwintimmerman6466]

You need to pay import duty for a replacement unit? Good grief.

[@citydude59]

Another steady and good video from you as usual techmoan

[@mrb692]

Third time’s the charm, excited to finally see this video!

[@eschultzz]

Fantastic as always, thank you for your videos, I look forward to them every week!

[@fearlessjoebanzai]

Cheap sods charging you for shipping for a replacement. I wouldn't send that other one back unless they refund you for the delivery and give you more money to pay for the shipping back. Shameful.

[@kennethhymes9734]

Great video as usual, despite the microphone clickety. Given the non-1982-ness we find ourselves in... what is the use case for these things? As a piece of design it is pretty awesome, and the specs seem surprisingly good. But I am trying to picture a person with this and some records under their arm on their way to... where? It's not just the tech that has changed, but our whole relationship with recorded music and each other.

[@ArruVision]

Did not see it coming, that in 2023, there’d be competition in the Sound Burger market 🎉

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

it's nice this cheaper player has the ability to swap an AT cart - .. those spring loaded arm players are ancient tech..they work well in most cases but you'll never get the same tracking force from one to another.. it's a bit random due to the nature of the spring they used and the physical nature of it. The spring arms also have a tendency to fly off the record with high amplitude cut recordings - like a disco or hip hop 12". at least in my experience.. i always have to put a penny on the head.

[@TraxFour]

The specs with my spare ATN3600L show the tracking force as 3.0 to 4.0 g (3.5 g standard)

[@alzamonart]

This has been a very welcome video as I'm considering adding a budget record player to my home office (I have a larger audio rig, but no space for it at my HO). The Coturn is definitely more stylish and sophisticated in design than the SB, but can't bring myself to plunk almost 500€ (plus import) for such a thing. As long as my records don't get destroyed anything is ok with me (I'm used to tracking forces of 2.5g or less)... I think I'd rather go find some used thing on eBay. xD

[@MrBamboeman]

So adjusting needlepressure is not possible i presume... was thinking of buying one to take with me to elderly people who sold their hifi but not their records just wanted to make them enjoy their own records once again with bluetooth headphones.... so i really would like to spend the E400.... but not wanting to ruin their records with 4.5 gram needle pressure makes me hesitate. Thanks for the review👍

[@Murdock777]

If I remember the soundburger had a line out, so technically you can buy a small portable headphone amp and used with headphones, not as elegant or sleek, but it works, and I bet it still costs less than the other player

[@Josh-qf6ly]

i just bought the sound burger. i wish they had just added a way to adjust volume for the line out and bluetooth directly on the product, but i am gonna get it in this saturday. that being said the coturn is very sleek and more portable than the soundburger, but the price is too premium for me, sick design if it was a better price point i would definetly consider cause both of these are perfect for when you are out and about and digging.

[@why-why-whywhywhy]

Based on the price difference alone, I would gladly take the *Sound Burger* over the *Coturn CT-01,* as well. But as it currently stands, I play/listen to my very modest collection of vinyl on the *Anabas Gp-n3r.* And speaking of said portable record player, because I purchased it directly from a shop in Japan & because of that it is my understanding the adaptor it came with it (100V ~ 50/60HZ 8W) can not be used here in Canada, might any of you know which adaptor I could use in it’s place? Instead of having to play it like I do now, by using 6 D cell battery’s. Thanks in advance to those of you who may be able to help me out, as well.

[@watsoft70]

I'm guessing the adapter output is 9v. The output specification should be listed on the adapter along with a diagram of the polarity of the connector (which part is positive and which is negative). A locally purchased multi-adapter is likely to suffice (check it matches or exceeds the output amperage of the original), but make sure the voltage and polarity are correct before plugging it in. I hope this helps.

[@HalNeinThousand]

Well, judging by Techmoan's video on it, the power adapter is an 8V 350mA power supply with a center positive lead. As long as you find an adapter that phisically fits (same outer and inner dimensions) and is also 8V center positive, with at least 350mA output, you're good. The current (A) can be much higher with no damage to the unit.

[@why-why-whywhywhy]

@@HalNeinThousand ​ - First off, I truly do appreciate your kindness in answering my question. And yes, you are correct, the back of the adaptor does read : *100V ~ 50/60Hz 8W* *8V-350mA* So taking what you have advised, off I will go out into the wilderness to try and find an adaptor most suitable for my player. Wish me luck. Cheers!!!

[@VicGreenBitcoin]

Why didn't they just add active speed control to the player?

[@GPUtest]

What is happening with youtube? I literally can't find this video in my subscription box...and what a gem it is!

[@FSF87]

Quite appropriate that a video about record players should suffer from pops.

[@Ricecooker64]

I think it's design is super cool! It really shows what the soundburger could have been if it was made today!

[@ianrobertson2634]

The Soundburger is being made today.

[@carlhartwell7978]

Also, *its. Though I do agree, it's a better designed product.

[@Ricecooker64]

@@ianrobertson2634 I know that, but this design was made in the current age, the new one is very similar to the 80s one.

[@Ricecooker64]

@@carlhartwell7978 It it nice and sleek!

[@CptJistuce]

It's funny, because I prefer the design of the Soundburger. I'm tired of featureless black slabs with touch-sensitive "buttons" that just leave me mashing at random patches of glass.

[@joetheman74]

Improved frequency response on the burger. Especially noticeably on the bass end. Could be the difference in the tracking force and tracking angle.

[@45oldies10]

Good you revisited the part of the weight section Matt. I still think 4 grams is not an issue with this cartridge though. I wasn't aware, as yourself obviously that this device used a spring loaded arm. Great Video again.

[@markymarkreviews]

Did not notice any issues with the sound quality of the upload! Nothing serious. Why do manufacturers continue to use high gloss black which is nothing but a fingerprint, dust and scratch magnet? The Coturn has to come down in price to nearer £300 -£350 which I am sue it will do. A few more refinements for that tone term mechanism also. Looks quite fragile overall. Have no interest in purchasing either but an interesting vid as usual!

[@tableseven8133]

You all might already know this but the wow and flutter can often be made better by simply making sure your record is on the table 100% centered. My point is that the center peg might not be exact, or maybe a bit wobbly, the record center hole might be a bit off. So carefully put your needle on the record and watch it, if it go back and forth / side to side you will have more wow, so you have to tap the record on the edge gently until you have no more side to side swing.

[@scottmarshall1414]

You still need to mechanically zero your flutter meter, sir, via the black screw in the hole underneath it

[@TheAntibozo]

Very enjoyable video! Even a bit of drama with crashing the stylus around! ;^)

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

0:30 Techmoan knows we're good, he's just trying to pre-empt all those trolls in the comment box.

[@excrutiated]

As an aside, when this popped up on my screen i imediatly thought i was being shown a thumbnail screengrab of kanadas bike slide from akira. The mind plays odd tricks sometimes

[@jjcaruso44]

Isn't the wow and flutter a function of the concentricity of the grooves to the spindle. Most vinyl grooves are not concentric to the center hole and you can see that by watching the tonearm sway back and forth. Would that show up on both those players as an incorrect measurement? Thanks so much for your videos. - John

[@Matiasss1980]

Beware! Mine stopped working and despite contacting support multiple times they stopped afterwards the first tiem responding and I ended up with a very expensive piece of trash.

[@ichabaudcraine2923]

The height-dependent tracking force boggles my mind, the thickness of 12” records varies a lot.

[@bradley3549]

I'm baffled as to why this would have ever called for a Raspberry Pi in the first place?!

[@watsoft70]

Thought it was unfair marking an adjusted Sound Burger down because it had drifted...perhaps un-tinkered it might have drifted to the correct speed. I'm unlikely to notice any problems with speed or wow and flutter no matter how bad cos the dodgy mic didn't even register with me. 😂

[@nickstubbings]

5:20 ish. The Flutter meter ISNT on zero, it's bottomed out. Dont know if it matters, Just saying.

[@MuzikJunky]

The Sony Flamingo blows these both out of the water! Peace.

[@a1white]

That’s proper dedication that you were made aware of a potential issue, so you took it down and reshot the segment to get a more accurate reading.

[@TaswcmT]

You can get full size turntables like an Audio-Technica AT-LP120XUSB for less than €400. Compared to that, the Coturn is a bit of a "hipster toy" only really excelling if you absolutely, positively need to take a turntable often between different locations. It's not as if you're ever going to use ANY turntable like a sort of boombox anyway, so it seems like a niche product.

[@BuzzaB77]

Burger still sounded better here on very good monitors in a treated room

[@StevenS757]

Since the tone arm is spring loaded, is it possible to access the spring and increase the tension on it, possibly by moving the loop up a bit? that could make it so you can adjust the tracking force yourself. I've seen people do something similar on other spring loaded tone arms

[@WolfiesDen0827]

Some spring loaded tone arms have a tracking adjustment screw that changes the tension on the tone arm spring.

[@jakegalvin8509]

Why are they so expensive?? That's the main issue I have with it.

[@DIYTAYSEERworld]

And also the weight calculation is for improving the sound quality, less concerned about damaging the record or the stylus. If weight is more the stylus won't be able to more freely so you have to compromise on the higher notes.. And if the weight is too less then the stylus will not be able to follow the Grove..all MM cartridges are limited to less weight 5grms or less..

[@tz7813]

I’d love to buy the Coturn for its beautiful design, better bluetooth and useful carry case but tbh the Sound Burger sounded slightly more dynamic and it also seems more reliable. At half the price of the Coturn its a no brainer. Real shame. Hope they keep developing it as at 450 Euro it would still be first choice for most, if it sorted out its issues.

[@ColoRadio6996]

What is the name and model of the new mic that you were testing out? please, TIA. Stay safe and healthy.

[@amaruqlonewolf3350]

My man literally re-uploaded the video itself with the fixed error, what a lad.

[@inverse_of_zero]

i don't use/listen to records, and even if i did, i doubt i'd use a portable player. but *if* i did, i'd probably go with the coturn. the aptx and headphone out are nice-to-haves, but the build quality and form factor are what do it for me. at around half the thickness it just looks so much more portable

[@loboptlu]

Hi have one coturn of the newer batch with the new mainboard and i use it at work;) . Works great the transport case is great , and sounds great with aptx headphones and portable speakers , sounds ok with no aptx stuff. And honestly the build quality and material would make it a lot more expensive if audio technika made it . Tested it with a 3150 khz record and 0.1% flutter . Honestly would love if sony would remake its portable one with the linear head and adding bt;).

[@qwertzasdf352]

2:54 If a guy came knocking at my door wanting £95 for a box, I know what I’d do 🥊

[@TWL380]

Wow so there's actually 3 versions of this video now?

[@wesleytownsend8214]

I watched the first upload and was typing a comment when the video was set to private. lol so this was what my original comment going to be. Also your content and dedication to being factual and honest is refreshing. Thank you for being you! My original comment was that I am a retired electrical engineer and when you commented about your sound quality problems, (I didn’t notice any but...) I was thinking that we had a lot of issues a few years ago with interference of LED lights with wireless equipment here in the US. It was just a thought. That may have just been our problem here in the states but I know it was a nightmare for us to figure out. It did not effect all wireless equipment but was a major issue on 30% or more wireless modules. I enjoy all your content and look forward to everything you publish. I wish you all the very best of health and happiness to you and your families!

[@DIYTAYSEERworld]

So you can not compare cause both are different of course they both uses same stylus but in terms of tonearm one uses weight and other one uses spring to keep tracking force..

[@DIYTAYSEERworld]

According to my knowledge all records are not 100% balance. Or stable.. Even if the platter is properly balanced the record won't stay flat you can see while it's running they tonearm moves slightly up and down.. So if it is spring loaded tonearm will cause wow .. I believe that is the reason..so spring loaded is not good.

[@AeiKei]

At half the price the sound burger was better in terms of sound, I could feel spatiality in the sound and also high freqs were better defined with it compared to the Coturn. While the Coturn has a case and better design wich also helps with the portability I feel paying double for worse sound is not worth it. Also forgot about the tracking force issue wich is a deal breaker for those who want to preserve their records, 3.5g would be the maximum I would ever apply to a record (and I wouldn't be really comfortable doing that)

[@idio-syncrasy]

I prefer the look of the coturn

[@adamgalambos8137]

now i just imagined the situation.. you carry the small pack player in your backpack,,. with a few 45 LP-s together :D

[@robpaige2376]

To my ears, the Coturn sounded fuller and warmer than the Sound Burger, but it's all subjective, I suppose. I also far prefer the sleek design of the CT-01 and its tasteful control interface, and could also see this being used in the home, in situ, due to its aesthetics. Which is not something that can be said for the Burger.

[@TassieLorenzo]

I noticed no difference whatsoever, but I was only listening through my Panasonic micro hi-fi systen.

[@djdoo]

Still the sound burger seems a much better choice to me. Spring loaded tonearms as already mentioned in the comments is not a good design let alone for a turntable with a minimal platter like these, and also as you demonstrate a very slight difference in height makes a big difference in tracking force so wobbly records will have various pressure values throughout their surface so it is a no for me. Cheers from Greece.

[@irondice5183]

I dont get why you were charged duty on a resend- didnt they collect the sales vat (which is what duty is equal to, so for items entering uk, 20%) on the first one they sent you?

[@foureyedchick]

Wow! That's a whole lot of flutter!

[@DeadKoby]

That cartridge's specs want the tracking force between 3.5g and 5g......... so a little higher, but normal still.

[@-Steven-]

I'm sure I saw a USB port on the coturn when you took the bottom off, I wonder what it would be used for seeing you can't actually access it without removing the base?

[@turokforever007]

Might be just for programming

[@realzneo]

Sound being bad, just reminds us how good it is in all you other videos!! Thanks you for making great stuff!! Also the sound was not that bad.

[@Ranimetion]

i must say the sound quality on either device is surprisingly good. Warm rich sounds from such small devices. Nice video, dispite the mic issues!

[@bjn714]

To be honest, you could have been playing the same exact audio sample and just switching the phono shown in the video-they sounded that close. But I guess that's not entirely unexpected with the same cart.

[@ZeroSuitSamo]

I was wondering what happened, the original got pulled down while I was still watching it haha. I was luckily at the roundup so I didn't miss much, but I figured some new information must have come to light after uploading it.

[@duncan-rmi]

love the massive irony of CDs being relegated to propping up a tool for checking stylus force...

[@JessicaFEREM]

it looks beautiful, but the sound burger is a cheaper and overall better option still. you're paying double for a slim design.and you can get a headphone amplifier that'll turn that line out into a headphone out for like $20.

[@JoshColletta]

Is it just me, or is the Coturn outputting a monaural signal? Either that or the stereo separation is just not as wide as it is on the Audio-Technica. I was definitely noticing more of a stereo field coming from the Sound Burger than I heard coming from the CT-01.

[@d_vibe-swe]

I don't care about vinyl records the slightest, but I do really appreciate Techmoan's videos where he in detail goes through tech gadgets like in this video :)

[@DrAppalling]

If you want to reduce the tracking force a little you could trim off plastic from the stylus mount and remove the stylus guard.

[@larayronica2456]

How can a turntable designed in the 2020's possibly be off speed by more than the accuracy of the micro controller crystal?

[@alejandroknopf]

The rest of the components have design tolerances of their own. The timing signal had to be converted into the input of the motor, which has its own design tolerance, and then the control loop which monitors the motor speed and adjusts the speed has its own tolerances. You could allways make it more accurate, but it would be in turn be more expensive.

[@dbaider9467]

Both are beautiful pieces of engineering. Practicality though? How is their usage envisioned? I couldn't imagine ever putting my vinyl on anything so, well, tippy.

[@mauritsvw]

Maybe when you're tipsy.

[@ziggarillo]

So if it's a spring loading issue, doesn't that allow for an easier fix?

[@stephenbeyer4315]

In this day and age of digital portable music, if I was going to go to the expense of a portable vinyl player, then I'd pay the extra and go for the Coturn, especially since it has the headphone jack

[@gedtoon6451]

In this day and age of digital portable music, I would not be buying a portable vinyl player. For that price you could buy one hell of an mp3 player.