Revisiting the HP Reverb G2 after 6 months in the Varjo Aero

[@2002drumsonly]

Nice video! It holds up for anyone wanting to get into vr used buy quality. I am purchasing a R G2 as the seller upgraded to Aero. Enjoy your content so I am now subscribed!

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the subscription, I'm glad you enjoy what we do here at GYGO. I loved the Reverb G2 back in the day, I'm a little worried with Microsoft "Deprecating" WMR in Windows 11 (see the community tab for details). I can't quite get an answer if it affects the use of the G2 or if it will just no longer get support moving forward BUT will work as well as it always has. I'd love to hear from you what version of Windows you are running and if you have any issues with the G2 once you get it. Thanks again for watching!

[@2002drumsonly]

@@GYGOtv Planning on a new build with Win 11 but not to accept the new Win update. The plan is to use Reverb while saving for a Varjo Aero. If I cannot find one will go for the Crystal. Getting back into siming after a 10 year break Love all your content. I give you a 10/10 for interesting quality content. Well done!

[@GYGOtv]

@@2002drumsonlyThank you so much, appreciate the comment and thank you for your continued viewership. Simming has come a long ways these past 10 years, I hope you fall back in love with it!

[@matthewwheat168]

I have the reverb g2. To combat the fogging give the lenses a clean with a little bit of pure dish washing liquid. No fogging for day's. Best fix I have been able to find and by far the cheapest.

[@GYGOtv]

Ahh the ol' Scuba Diving trick eh? "No more tears" baby shampoo works good for that too and no fumes to irritate the eyes. Great suggestion Matt!

[@jango71]

I have the G1 and never (or very seldom) had problems with fogging.

[@GYGOtv]

@@jango71 Ya I run hot so lots of fog and lots of sweat sometimes.

[@vsx1016]

I red that you can put VR headset in a plastic bag with a few silica gel bags in it for a couple of days and then the moisture gets out. Sometimes moisture somehow gets in to the lenses. Other thing is when you put it on your face, don't squiz it to hard to youre face.

[@GYGOtv]

@@vsx1016 That is an interesting idea. The problem is even when it is dry, I would "rehumidify" it with my sweat. I don't really squeeze it that hard, certainly not enough to have water come out. Thanks for the comment.

[@aerofart]

Nice review, great setup. It’s too bad Varjo doesn’t lower the price on their headsets. The marginal improvement in VR cannot be justified at the current price point for a lot of folks. I’m sure they could make up for lower per-unit profit margins by an increase in volume if they chose to go that route. Sell 100 units for $300 profit margin or 300 units for $100 profit margin, the result for them is the same, the accessibility for users and adoption of the Varjo system would take them a lot further as a company. It’s only a matter of time when a competitor will step in and take the lion’s share of that market segment if they don’t do it first. I’m sure the experience isn’t 4x as good as that which could be had with the HP Reverb.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the comment aerostar, and I'm willing to bet they are working on a consumer version that might come in a little cheaper. Remember, the way Varjo got into the consumer space in the first place was because gamers were buying their $3500 VR-3 headset (plus the $800 per year subscription) and the gamers were just asking Varjo to do away with the annual cost. Instead Varjo developed the Aero which almost cut the cost in half and did drop the subscription for it. Now that Varjo sees the Consumer Market as viable, I bet they will make a headset specifically for the consumer market from the ground up. I bet it will still be around $1500 or so but with the price of the new Quest Pro, and Pimax headsets... that will still be a bargain. But you are correct, the Reverb G2 is a much better value... just not the best experience possible.

[@mikerichardsonuk]

I have to say I don’t think the Improvement is marginal, remember the Varjo is flight qualified for training and gamers, with racing and aviators willing to pick them them up @3500 before the Aero arrived, the price you pay to access that kind of improvement has and will continue come down though. Having used the XR-3 then purchasing the Aero I feel it was and still is great value, it made no sense to me to have spent the time and money to build a high end system capable of delivering professional grade sim experience and not just go that bit further and get the best headset for that purpose. Value and price though are always subjective.

[@stephenpelly6217]

I own both the Reverb G2 version 2 and the Varjo Aero. To my mind currently the Aero is slightly better than the G2 all round and yes, this overall experience improvement is not proportional to the price difference. However, I think the Aero has more potential looking to the future as PCs become powerful enough to comfortably run the headset at full resolution. I have a pretty decent PC (with RTX 3080) and I have to dial down my VR settings to get a smooth experience with the Aero. I once dialed these setting right up and the clarity in FS2020 was mind blowing. Of course the sim was completely unplayable because of the ridiculously low frame rate, but as PCs get better, it will become playable with these settings. Oh and the internal fan - YES! In my opinion all headsets should come with an internal fan!!

[@GYGOtv]

@@mikerichardsonuk I couldn't agree more Mike... we drop $1500 on a graphics card to maximize graphics, why wouldn't we expect to spend a similar amount to actually put that power into our eyes with a high end vr headset. This was my thinking as well when deciding to buy the Aero.

[@GYGOtv]

@@stephenpelly6217 You bring up a GREAT point Stephen, with the built in eye tracking on the Aero, it will be ready to utilize dynamic foveated rendering when that becomes more mainstream. That is the exact process that the PSVR2 has implemented to get good vr performance from the PS5. The eye tracking alone is worth at least some of the justification for the higher price.

[@nice2care]

Really impressed with your setup. Please make a video detailing all the gear you are using. Thank you.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the compliment nice2care. I already have many videos going into detail about the motion platform (starts here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKnadIiLr7R0r6M ) Here is the part covering the peripherals kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ2qgmaElJZ_d8k and then a full review of my Varjo Aero here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ7KmYGGodt9i80 I hope you enjoy and thanks for watching.

[@OperatorPuski]

Been watching your videos and decided to put a reservation in for the Pimax Crystal. Solid reviews. Thanks!

[@GYGOtv]

Yep, I totally get that OperatorPuski! It's looking really promising and the QLED Screens are performing exactly like I anticipated, with it being very close to OLED quality without the drawbacks. The Hot Swappable battery is one thing I'm really excited about. The only negative thing I've seen so far is that the lenses seem to have a small amount of built in correction to them but I'm sure that will all get straightened out by production time. I'm going to hold off and see how good the 12k Qled ends up being, but I'm 95% confident one of these 2 headsets will be my next roomscale units. Can't wait to see how the 12k gets reviewed. Appreciate you watching!

[@sonnyblu6299]

I have purchased the Meta Quest three times AND immediately sent it back all 3 times... I want the HP Reverb even with having to deal with Windows. Just waiting for a sale. Thank you for your videos...

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Sonnyblue62, I still think the G2 is the BEST VALUE out there. I heard that HP is going to get out of VR for now, so keep your eyes peeled as there might be some good sales in the future. Right now it is only $450 if you go to HP.com. Thanks for the comment and the views.

[@cecielhelder5923]

I’ve got a small fortune invested in a motion platform and flightsim setup. Still on the G2. I looked at the Aero but for $2k plus the light house system, I expect near perfection. The Aero may be the best, but only incremental. The setup is about five times as expensive as the G2. The moment mainstream VR catches up, and it will, the Aero will lose its value. Normal for hardware progress but I rather keep the G2 and spend the $2k on a VR product with less issues in the future. Needs wider and higher FOV, integrated audio and distortion free at this price point.

[@GYGOtv]

Yep, we have had this discussion several times before on this channel and I welcome your point of view. G2 is a better value, but for me the Aero was worth the price. Others are absolutely welcome to disagree. The good news is you might get your wish with the Pimax Crystal. It has higer FOV, integrated audio and supposedly no distortion... plus it is $500 cheaper and Inside Out tracking. It might be the headset most of us have been waiting for so finger's crossed. Thanks for the comment.

[@cecielhelder5923]

@@GYGOtv I reacted to your video before reading a lot of the replies. Had I read more I would’ve realized I’m not the only one with this viewpoint. I’ve been watching the Pimax Crystal and hope it’s going to be as good as they’re making it out to be.

[@GYGOtv]

@@cecielhelder5923 No problem at all Ceciel, I seldom read other comments when I'm on other channels so I'm not offended at all and I appreciate your (and others) point of view. That's why is is so great that with all these options, we can find the headset that is right for us. I didn't have high hopes for the Crystal at first but DAMN it is sounding good so far... I just hope not too good to be true. Appreciate you watching.

[@peterfagan3587]

Hi Mark, I was greatly amused to see how the rig flew backwards during the catapult shot. Very nice! And that made me wonder - a couple of days later - about how the rig performs during aerial refuelling in DCS - in a probe and drogue configuration. Are you getting any realistic heave feedback as you try to maintain a constant altitude relative to the drogue?

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Peter... yes the Cat Shot is one of my FAVORITE parts of flying in DCS. What is also cool during carrier ops is when you hook into the shuttle with the front gear you get a pretty good bump so it feels like you just hit something and are rolling over it. As for Air to Air refuel, not really much other than just normal flight maneuvers with the motion, but no extra turbulance or anything like that. Since I've never really done any Air to Air refuel in real life I can't say how realistic it is (hell never been shot off a cat either... but it is FUN, I can say that :) Thanks for watching, and if you haven't seen these yet, might be fun for you to watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXOVl4iuhLuqjZI and kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3SufnqVlqmBoNE and kzbin.info/www/bejne/npvXfZt7dtmcoqM

[@RotorWorks]

The rig should move forward during a carrier launch@@GYGOtv . Also do you use motion compensation?

[@GYGOtv]

@@RotorWorksThanks for the comment... so in my opinion it needs to move backward. Moving forward does not feel right at least to me. This is an age old debate and I've tried both but moving forward for me isn't right. Everyone else can do what they want. I do uses motion compensation... been quite an adventure figuring it all out. I've had a video in the works for awhile now, hoping to finish it up sometime soon. Thanks for watching.

[@JamesTyranski]

Hey Mark, thanks for this comparison video. Been using my G2 since it came out and it's been great (few issues with even the new V2 cable from time to time). But since HP isn't going to continue in the VR space, I was considering other headsets. I was considering the Pimax Crystal, however I have not heard great things about their launch (which seems to also be in their history). The Aero was too expensive having to get lighthouse tracking as well, but I found Varjo had a limited time deal I was able to purchase the Aero with 2 free lighthouse trackers, so I pulled the trigger on it. Good to know, it will be an upgrade to the G2.

[@GYGOtv]

It will certainly be an upgrade from the G2, and congrats on getting the lighthouse deal! IMO Lighthouse tracking is the best option for quality tracking (not for ease of setup of course :)) and that will also give you the option on other lighthouse tracked headsets down the road too. If you haven't yet, check out my video where I went back to the Aero FROM the G2 after a few months to see my thoughts there... Kind of the reverse of this one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZucoa2rfLaYgM0 Thanks for the comment.

[@emceeschwartz]

Good vid. Sick set up. My G1 cable bit the dust and doesn't seem to be a way to purchase a new one for less than a couple hundred bucks on ebay. So I just purchased a G2 this week and it gets here tomorrow. It's on sale for $399.

[@GYGOtv]

If you liked the G1, you will probably LOVE the G2. I still think it is one of the BEST values in VR!!! Thanks for the comment and let me know what you think of the G2 after you use it.

[@emceeschwartz]

@@GYGOtv Well, the G2 looks great. More comfortable, better fov, and better visuals than the G1. Unfortunately there were some dead pixels on the display and I sent it back. New one should get here tomorrow. Fingers crossed lol

[@GYGOtv]

@@emceeschwartzThanks for the comment back, Yep sometimes that happens I guess. When I bought my Vive Pro it had a blue line down the entire screen and it was brand new too. I'm sure the replacement will be fine. Keep me posted as you play with it more.

[@TakeVI]

Now it is only $299 with the Black Friday deals.

[@michaelnapper4565]

@@TakeVI Yep, just bought mine today for that price. Says it will take about a month to get here. This will pretty much be my first go round with VR. Im pretty stoked about it.

[@BobbyChastain]

First time to this channel. I loved the motion of your chair at the launch. As a CFI, I’m curious about home building this. Maybe the other channel subscribers can help me understand how this setup came to be.

[@GYGOtv]

Welcome Bobby, I love the chair at launch too! So you can buy the kit like my unit at DOF Reality, I have a whole series on the channel how it was put together if you are interested kzbin.info/aero/PLQLoIjq0cB4fhvYX5i9KSa1FoK1Z87Sn- If you wanted to make your own, there is a facebook group called motion sim builders that can help you in that direction facebook.com/groups/329597371658416 Hope that helps.

[@-racingfan2014]

Can you try the Reverb G2 again using latest openXR toolkit and turn on CAS to 100%. This gives insane clarity and sharpness in any game without needing to set resolution higher than 100. You can still do but doesnt need to be high. Games that have sharpness build in you can turn off or down to low value.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the tip, I'll put it on my to do list for sure. Appreciate you watching our stuff and the comment.

[@jango71]

Thanks it works great! I am using Reverb G1 with openXR and the clarity is phenomenal. I had CAS at 40% before I read your advice. 100% is better.

[@GYGOtv]

@@jango71 Glad you got some help, and thanks for the update.

[@gerrypalmer6712]

What is CAS defiantly something I want to try. Many thanks

[@GYGOtv]

@@gerrypalmer6712CAS is "Contrast Adaptive Sharpening" it's a tool in the openXR Toolkit and can help performance depending on the setting. Give it a shot and see how it works for you. Thanks for the question.

[@kevinbrook7033]

Great setup. I've been using the G2 for the past 16 months or so. I love the visual clarity, comfort and audio, but it's basically more a flight sim accessory for me than a PCVR headset. I've never been able to get my Rift games to work with it through Revive so two thirds of my library is inaccessible and the controllers are awful to use so I still prefer my Quest 2 for actual standing, active VR. I've just ordered the Quest Pro as a hopeful upgrade to both. If it can match the visual quality and comfort of the G2 and give me far better tracking and controllers, plus all of the mixed reality features it should be a good headset for me. Still considering the Aero if I'm not happy with the Quest Pro visuals though. I just wish I didn't also have to spend out another £700 on base stations, controllers and an audi solution for the Aero. It takes the price up to £2700 for me and it still doesn't do standalone or mixed reality so I'd still need to buy another headset in the future for those to upgrade over the Quest 2, so double the price of the Quest Pro overall. Would love to have one though that must be a hell of an experience in your motion rig!

[@GYGOtv]

(EDIT: See my updated reply below, new information has changed my recommendation in this reply, put I want to keep it here for historical sake) Thanks for the comment Kevin. You are the perfect use case for a Quest Pro for gaming because you already have the game library. Make sure you buy the full face gasket (extra $50) or you will be able to see down where your nose is... not great for immersion. My only concern with the Quest Pro for gaming is the lack of battery life. It only gets 1-2 hours and then needs recharged. If you game less than that it shouldn't be an issue, otherwise you may have to get some battery packs for the headset AND the controllers to extend your play sessions. To be honest, IF the Pixel Crystal (or Pixel 12k QLED) ever get released, they may be exactly what you are looking for. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKvOmo1nftKAptU and kzbin.info/www/bejne/noGWaoCmqpV6j7M Good visuals, wireless, inside out tracking, and they are supposed to have a hot swappable battery. Now we just have to wait to see if they actually ever get released. The Crystal was already supposed to be out (Q3) and the 12k QLED was supposed to be by year-end LOL. I'm sure it is at least 6 months out if not another year. Also, since you are not in the USA, take a close look at the Pico 4 that just came out. I'm not sure if it can play Quest Games, but the specs are better than the Quest Pro and it is a lot cheaper... just not available here in the USA yet. Anyway, let me know what you think of the Quest Pro... I don't see it as a good gaming headset option for most people unless someone is in your position with a lot of games, and Yes flying is an awesome experience in the motion rig :) Thanks for watching our content!

[@tobiasmyers3505]

@@GYGOtvYES, but Pico 4 does not have Eye Tracking like Quest Pro. I don't know if Eye tracked foveated rendering is usable in a lot of stuff for the Pro yet, but it will be. Right? And it doesn't require base stations and the audio is good.

[@GYGOtv]

@@tobiasmyers3505 You are correct, the Pico 4 does not have Eye Tracking but the Pico 4 Pro/Enterprise (name based on region it is sold in) does. I'm assuming the Pico 4 Pro will cost less than the Quest Pro and it also has automatic IPD adjustment, and higher resolution. Of course someone needs to make sure the quality of the experience is still good, but I assume it will be on par with the Pico 4. Of course they have not announced plans to release in the USA yet, so that could be an issue. We will have to see what they plan to do. And just FYI all Pico 4's are inside out tracking and don't need basestations at all. Thanks for the question.

[@GYGOtv]

Hey Kevin, just an update to my previous post after some independent reviewers have gotten to use the Quest Pro. Battery life does not seem to be as big an issue as I original thought it would. The headset seems to run anywhere from 1 and a half hours to almost 4 hours depending on how you play, the brightness of the screens and how many of the features of the headset you have turned on. The reason why this isn't really as concerning to me now is the Quest Pro also has a USB-C port that you could plug an extra battery pack into and run it in your pocket like we did with older headsets. It also appears that the Quest Pro is capable of positive charging so, it will actually charge while plugged in and in use instead of the Quest 2 that would eventually go dead when using EVEN if it was plugged in. The controllers seem to have about a 4 to 6 hour battery life, but once they are dead they have to be recharged on the dock because they are using a proprietary plug and can't be hooked up via USB port. So just be sure to keep the controllers charged between sessions. So some news on the $50 face gasket that I previously recommended. DO NOT BUY IT because even though it is marketed as a full face, it still doesn't block light from the nose. ALSO you cannot charge the headset on the dock with it on... talk about a crappy design, way to go Meta! Instead wait for some 3rd party to release a full face gasket... I'm sure someone like VR cover will get it right. Hope that helps.

[@kevinbrook7033]

@@GYGOtv Hey man thanks for the update. I've had my Pro for three days and I'm loving it so far. The lens clarity is exceptional, truly edge to edge and there is no distortion of any kind at the edges. The colours and brightness are really good as well. I've been using it with the official USB-C link cable so I don't have to worry about battery life. My previous recent headsets have been the Quest 2, Vive Pro 2 and the Reverb G2. It absolutely smokes the Quest 2 and Vive Pro 2 for visual quality in PCVR and easily beats the G2 as well, for its overall image, although the G2's slightly higher resolution and great central clarity gives it a slight sharpness boost in the very centre. That's only noticeable in MSFS though, not in any other game I've tried where the Quest Pro image just looks much better overall. The FOV feels at least 15 percent wider than both the Q2 and G2, and a bit taller than the G2 as well. But the edge to edge clarity really makes a difference. Being able to look with your eyes really adds to the immersion and game worlds even feel a bit larger in this. I have some annoying bugs at the momemnt so hopefully we will get some update. I keep getting a 'controllers not tracked' message displayed right in the centre of the screen in MSFS or anything else when the controllers aren't in use which is maddening, hopefully they will fix that soon as I can't play MSFS because of it, it's too distracting! Half Life Alyx looks incredible though, noticeably better than it did on the G2. Very happy so far.

[@alu2387]

To be honest with you, the platform took all the thunder of the vr goggles... When you were catapulted and I saw you pushed back into your seat I had to smirk... :) Lucky man :) Enjoy!

[@GYGOtv]

I know, I LOVE that. The combo of VR with the motion makes you think you are Maverick in Top Gun. It's not real life, but it might just be Memorex (old person reference if I'm showing my age). Thanks for watching and the comment!

[@JacobTJ1]

Great review, thanks, I just picked up mine on eBay for $300

[@GYGOtv]

I assume a G2? An Aero for $300 would be AWESOME!!!

[@JacobTJ1]

@@GYGOtv yes the G2, I wanted to buy the Aero but I probably would not use it enough to justify the expensive purchase or waste too much time on the computer. I am jealous, enjoy your sim.

[@GYGOtv]

@@JacobTJ1 The G2 is an incredible headset especially for $300. My only recommendation is get some rechargeable 1.5v (mine are 3200) batteries for the controllers, they work better than regular ones. Enjoy!

[@GYGOtv]

BREAKING NEWS (9/20/23) The Varjo Aero is NOW $990! This is the new standard price of the headset and not a promotional offer. This gives the Aero an even more compelling cases for purchase. Again, unless you really want wireless or that extra vertical FOV, the Aero is a fantastic option over the Pimax Crystal. (Aero Affiliate Link) varjo.idevaffiliate.com/111.html

[@AKCobra1120]

I'm a big proponent of the 20/80 rule - look for a product that will give you 80% of the performance of the premium product for 20% of the cost. I actually got my G2 for $300 during the Christmas sale so it was more like 15/85 vs. The Aero so it was a no brainer. Not sure why your having trouble with the head position tracking though, I thought that was done with internal gyroscopes and the lighthouses were for controller tracking? Might be an issue with your G2.

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Dave, sorry I didn't see this message... it slipped past my notices. Yep I'd say the HP G2 is a perfect example of the 80/20 Rule in this case. Congrats on the purchase... I still think the G2 is the best value out there (especially for $300)! There are no Gyroscopes for tracking in the G2... Not even close to precise enough, that is what those old "insert your phone here" type VR kits used. The G2 uses cameras to "see" where it's at and it is just an issue every once in awhile, not all that often. Also, I have the first version of the headset and I think they made some adjustments to the new ones to make it a little better. Anyway, thanks for the comment and watching our stuff. Appreciate it.

[@martinmccloskey4206]

Great vr content m8,,earned a sub ,tell me this are there any game atm using the dynamic fov rendering ?

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the Sub martin!!! As far as I know there are not any games using dynamic Fov. The new PSVR2 will be the first in the mainstream to use it, it is the key to what allows VR to work so well on the PS5. Other than that, Varjo has some demos that use it but no games yet. It will be coming, hopefully sooner rather than later. Appreciate the question.

[@ZZFilm]

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@GYGOtv]

No problem.... Thanks for watching!

[@Because_Reasons]

That's a crazy setup

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks, it is actually and AWESOME setup! Thanks for watching... also LOVE the name Because Reasons.

[@PaulEkert]

Cool video. What's the keyboard you have attached to your rig?

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks Paul, it is a KINESIS Freestyle Pro Split Keyboard amzn.to/3k3AJEy Here is more info about my setup... kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ2qgmaElJZ_d8k

[@samgendler]

I'm thinking about going with the G2 V2 (July 4 sale price of $400) as a stopgap so I can wait to see how the rest of this generation of new headsets shakes out before committing to a headset in the $1500+ price range. I only sim race, no flying. Is this a reasonable strategy or am I just going to be disapppointed in the G2 compared to the triple 48" OLED displays I run now? I have never experienced VR in any headset so I'm a total VR novice. I can afford the Aero, but it seems like a headset that's been around for a few years SHOULD be surpassed by newer headsets being released this year at a similar price point and I don't want to buy the Aero only to feel like I bought it just before it was surpassed by something else. The Crystal seems to have failed to do that, however, so maybe nothing else will, either? I sure wish there was some way to try these things before committing to one.

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Samgendler, appreciate the question! SO if you have never tried VR before, I'd say the G2 will likely blow your mind racing. The scale and the 3D makes it feel like you are really in the racecar and you can't match that with flat screens. You will give up a little resolution in the G2 over the flat screens, but it is still an awesome experience so I'd say go for it. The G2 in my opinion is still the best choice for simming on a budet (especially at $400) Also, by getting the G2 first, it will give you the chance to make sure you won't get motion sick in VR and will give you a great baseline of what VR Racing is like. I will tell you that if you do like it, switching from the G2 to the Aero was specifically spectacular for racing. Something about the edge to edge clarity that makes sim racing in the Aero such a super experience. I'm expecting the same from the Crystal but will have to wait and see. So I'd recommend going for the HP G2 for now and see what you like and don't like about it and that will give you a good direction for your next headset down the road. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!

[@guvnormclean]

quick tip , to get the calibration working quickly my G2 i just initialise the lights on the G2 control and put them in front and boom it pops on .

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the tip Col, do you have the G2V2 or the G2V1 because that doesn't seem to work on mine?

[@Ready.A-10C]

Hi Mark I am on the fence about the Aero and your videos are about to push me over. I really appreciate you taking the time to going back and forth and discussing your experiences. I have a G2, 4090 and 5800x3D and record everything in OBS. I fly mainly multiplayer because I use kneeboards a lot I can not have motion reprojection turned on. So this combination costs me quite some CPU power. In order to have things clear and stable in the G2 I had to lower my G2 frequency to 60Hz. For me the visuals (FOV and sharpness) are secundairy to the stability and smoothness both in the headset and in the videos. I wonder what your experience with stutters is between the G2 and Aero headsets in combination with the recordings, especially after the Multi Threading update. I would like to return to 90Hz in the headset and wonder if that can be achieved with the Aero, because I kind of get the impression that the Aero takes care of clearing things up quite a bit in comparison to the G2. So if I may ask what is your experience with recordings and stutters between the two headsets? I am using an OBS-mirror currently. Also is there a way to catch you on a Discord somewhere? Thanks!

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Ready... Well thanks for the comment! SO... I don't know what your feelings about Pimax are, but the new Crystal may be a better choice than the Aero as far as visuals. It has the same clarity, but a bigger FOV (especially vertically). Also, blacker blacks with the QLED screens. So obviously I can't speak to how efficient it is with OBS because haven't got my hands on one yet. That being said, if you are going to choose AERO anyway... I can tell you it performs better than the G2 pretty much across the board. Not by a lot but certainly better. With Varjo Base's motion smoothing, it took out many of the stutters I had before having it and that was before multi-threading. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try it now that multi-threading is a thing, but I can't imagine it doesn't help a ton. With a 4090 I think you will be good. I do have a discord, but never use it... but you can usually catch us on our livestream while we game either Wed. at 3:30pm Mountain time, or most Sunday's at 2pm Mountain time (obviously not tomorrow as it is Easter). Let me know if you have any other questions.

[@Ready.A-10C]

@@GYGOtv Hi Mark so I got myself the Aero and my recordings came to a full stop as I can't find a way to get a decent recording going. You switched back to the G2, which makes me wonder if I maybe just keep both headsets for the time being. How did you switch yours? Did you fully disconnect and reinstall software etc? Or did you keep them connected and all software in place?

[@GYGOtv]

@@Ready.A-10C I actually have both headsets (G2 and Aero) connected and software installed and just power up the one I'm going to use. Not sure why you are having issues... I just use OBS and select the game executable that I'm trying to record. Maybe try using the Varjo Base mirror instead and see if that works. Good Luck!

[@Ready.A-10C]

@@GYGOtv Okay thanks will try that

[@richardople]

Love your set up mate! Personally I sim race and I was interested in continuing to add to the immersion. Would you be able to provide details on your wind simulator please and thank you! Love from Canada eh!

[@GYGOtv]

Hi LOWkenshin, They are Sim Racing Studio Wind Kits www.simracingstudio.com/product-page/srs-hurricane-power-wind-package and they are awesome for Racing (and roller coaster simulation too). I talk a lot about them here kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ2qgmaElJZ_d8k They give you a great sense of speed especially in open cockpit cars. But even in enclosed cars, you can turn the wind down a little but still let it give you that sense of acceleration and speed without blowing you hair all the way back. Kind of like when you are in a real car and the air conditioner naturally blows harder just from the higher RPM of the engine if that makes sense. Anyway, highly recommend them. This weekend they are also on sale 15% off so great time to buy. Hope that answers your question.

[@richardople]

@@GYGOtv thank you mate

[@gerryabbott]

Hey Mark, do you see the 4090 launch as possibly the biggest step forward for VR since the Areo launched, given the large performance boost.

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Fish, thanks for the question. I'm very excited about the 4090, it looks like realistically you can expect about 50% improvement on non-DLSS games. I don't know if I'd say the biggest step forward for VR BUT it is certainly the biggest single performance step we have seen in graphics cards in years. I think one of the biggest steps for VR might be the new pancake lenses, or will be when they actually implement Dynamic Foveated Rendering, and hopefully that will be something in the video driver so it will work universally and not be game developer depended. Not sure if that will happen but that is what I'm hoping for. SO the 4090 is expensive, and I'm going to wait to see if the AMD Cards might drive down the price a little when they come out next month. What I'm leaning toward right now is maybe waiting for the 4090ti (probably a year away) because the 4090 architecture has room to grow and my current 3080ti runs everything ALMOST good enough. I will say, when I do buy a 4000, I will get a water cooled version. Those huge heatsinks are both big and heavy and I don't want that much weight on my PCI-E slot. Also just a final note from what I've been seeing on the 4090, I think 850 watt power supplies might be big enough to run the card if you don't overclock the cards (which they don't seem to want to do very well anyway). Hope that answers your question, and yes I'm very excited to see what this amount of power can do to run current headsets and maybe the next gen as well :)

[@andyvanderbeken3729]

@@GYGOtv 70-80% raw increase here having upgraded from 3090. The 4090 really 'unlocks' the Aero is what we commonly say nowadays on the forums.

[@GYGOtv]

@@andyvanderbeken3729 I think Christmas just got more expensive for someone :) Thanks for the info, I'm really interested in the 4090 now!

[@andyvanderbeken3729]

@@GYGOtv yw mate. Oh and I got my hands on one of the first batch of the only existing 4090 that comes with a factory installed waterblock (=with a guarantee). Can highly recommend it for its tiny form factor, cool temps (47°C full load) and estetics. It's not the best performer out there, only 'average' (= 2-4% below the best lol) but the price point is basically only around nvidia base msrp so that's cheap basically for a custom watercooled card. This unicorn is the Inno3D Frostbite 4090.

[@GYGOtv]

@@andyvanderbeken3729 Thanks Andy, I'm looking pretty hard at the Gigabyte Waterforce version. It's listed but not many people have tried one yet from what I see. Fingers crossed it comes to Microcenter sometime in the near future. www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD#kf

[@777FreakyD]

Hey Mark, what are your thoughts on all the new OLED headsets in the pipeline? I'm interested in jumping into the VR world for MSFS, but I don't want to jump the gun before these new products hit the market and possibly miss out on a superior experience.

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Michael, thanks for the question. So as far as I know the only confirmed OLED headset coming out is the PSVR2, the others are LED and Micro LED etc., with the Pimax using a QLED screen (if those ever make it to release). As anyone that has watched my channel can tell you, I am an OLED SNOB!!! big time and I may even buy the PSVR2 if they can figure out how to hack it to work on PC (like they did with the PSVR). There are so many factors that go into a headset purchase but OLED screens are a key one for me. Give me an idea of your budget and what you are really looking for in your experience and I might be able to guide you better. If you would rather keep that private, you can email me at [e-mail]. I can tell you there is nothing like flying in VR!!! Welcome in advance to the club.

[@aerofart]

@@GYGOtv one glaring problem with OLED is the degradation of the image elements over time. I’ve seen what happens to brightness, color and vibrancy over time on a very expensive video camera viewfinder system, and it ain’t pretty.

[@GYGOtv]

@@aerofart Yep, but honestly I think the headset tech itself will be outdated before the OLEDs are that far gone. Just as an example, I still use my Vive Pro with OLED and it still looks fine (other than the resolution) even after thousands of hours using it. I really appreciate your input and viewpoint aerostar, thanks for all the comments.

[@aerofart]

@@GYGOtv good point, but the thought of it still lingers. 👍🏻

[@mikem.2078]

@@aerofart "..OLED is the degradation of the image elements over time.." Interesting point. I'm getting the hunch that producers are more and more going away from Oled to the point I'm worried we won't see it again, so perhaps I better make extra effort to keep my current Oled headsets in prime condition.

[@enxxmp]

I have the G2 and don't use the hand controllers to start DCS. I just start DCS from my desktop with my mouse.

[@GYGOtv]

Ya I use my mouse (touchpad) sometimes too... but I have to be in the motion rig or else I'm not centered when I do it. But I do have to use the controller to start SteamVR in WMR, the point being I have to power up a controller. Thanks for the comment.

[@peterfagan3587]

Thanks for an informative video. I've watched some of your earlier ones too. Just a couple of comments about the G2: I seem to remember using the controllers when first installing the software, but haven't touched them since - not even sure where they are - so I was a bit puzzled as to why you were using them. I just use my mouse. As for the lenses fogging up, I have prescription inserts so don't need to wear my glasses, and I've never had the lenses fog up. Perhaps it's an environmental issue - if you're living in one of the warmer states? I live in northern England where perspiration is seldom an issue!

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the comment Peter and thanks for watching our stuff. So the mouse works until I get into Steam VR and then only my controllers will activate menus etc. So I just get them activated from the start. I CAN just use the mouse in the cliff house, so you are correct there. If you know a way to get the mouse to work in Steam VR, please share. I think Prescription Inserts would probably help with fogging, but I'm always putting other people in my headset and I think that the inserts would be a pain to deal with taking in and out all the time. I'm also probably hot blooded and tend to heat things up myself, because I live in Colorado which is probably even drier than Northern England.

[@peterfagan3587]

@@GYGOtv To be honest, it's so long since I started using the G2 - upgrade from Rift S - that I can't remember any details of the (painless) installation/setup process. I didn't have to do anything special to choose mouse over controllers. I guess it either just happened automatically or I simply selected the right checkbox. Since you're mostly using the the Aero now, I don't suppose it makes any difference to you now, but someone else might read this and realise that they don't need to use controllers - less clutter around their work station for one thing. And, on the subject of Steam VR, I made the switch to Open XR a month or two ago and it has made a huge difference, allowing me to increase pixel density from around .7 to 1 with my RTX 2070 Super. My DCS install is not in Steam, so it's just the Steam VR I'm talking about here. That increase in pixel density makes no difference in the cockpit, but it makes the world outside look so much better, with detailed towns and villages which were previously just grey smudges on the landscape.

[@peterfagan3587]

Just realised, to avoid any confusion, that I should have said that I switched to OpenComposite, not OpenXR.

[@GYGOtv]

@@peterfagan3587 Ahh, yes I can see where that would work. Have you had any issues running Steam games in OpenComposite?

[@peterfagan3587]

@@GYGOtv No, because the Open Composite is set game by game. So, it only affects DCS. Games in my Steam library are launched within the Steam environment as normal.

[@jayphi4095]

You must consider using lenses like VR optical on your G2 and remove your glasses

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Jay, I don't really have a problem with the G2, my glasses aren't touching the lenses in that headset due to all the room in there. Those lenses are expensive with as much correction as I need so I'd rather save that for maybe the Crystal or something newer.

[@glenfoxh]

Someone told me not to get the HP G2. to me it has a fantastic display. My only complaint is the controllers. I came from using the much older first Oculus Rift. The Display of the HP G2 is a massive improvement. But the controllers seem like a big downgrade, mostly for a newer headset. No finger tracking. And you lose tracing of the controllers easy. Have not tried it yet, but seen some say, I can mod the control setup in Steam to make use of the Index controllers with the G2 headset. Would have been nice if I could make the G2 work with the Index controllers out of the box, as an option. I would have done that from the start. Aside from the G2 controllers not being near as good to use as the Rift controllers, I have no other regrets in getting the G2. VR just looks so great with it. If I ever do get an upgrade, it will be by getting the Pimax Crystal or 12K.

[@GYGOtv]

Interesting... really it all comes down to what you are trying to do. I was going to do the Index/G2 setup, but honestly it was more hassle than it was worth to me. I haven't had that bad of a time with the G2 controllers, they work ok for me (probably about 95% of the time). It is nice that you can use Steam if you want to and for people having issues it might be the way to go. Here is a link to the Alternate setup if anyone is interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJC2lqN-pNSFe9E

[@icecold9511]

The G2 isn't as good, but very similar. Makes them function much like rift, and can work in revive to play oculus games like Lone Echo. They also used removable batteries. I have USB c lithium rechargeable. So when they die or I expect them to, swap the batteries out and keep going.

[@GYGOtv]

@@icecold9511 Yep, I use rechargeable too, Mine are 1.5 volts because lower volts can give you a false reading on the charge meter in VR from what I understand.

[@icecold9511]

@@GYGOtv it does. Even 1.5 does reads poorly, but the only 1.6v rechargeable is the nickel zinc, and they have very few recharge cycles. I made that mistake.

[@PhotoJohn80]

Only if the Varjo was like 1500 with the index audio solution. It would be very tempting for at that price

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Photo, yes that would be great but the Aero seems to be selling well as it stands, so I guess it works for them. To Paraphrases... "Value is in the eye of the beholder". Thanks for the comment.

[@PhotoJohn80]

@@GYGOtv yup. I mean I want one but I can’t get myself to spend that kind of money. I’m hoping the valve index 2 or whatever it’s called gets made and hopefully get that one even if it’s not as fancy lol. I’d probably buy a G2 if it wasn’t for the mix reality part of it.

[@GYGOtv]

@@PhotoJohn80 I get where you are coming from. If price is your concern, I wouldn't count on the new Index... Valve always pushes the envelope so I bet it will be fancy, with a price tag to go with it. Honestly for the money, get a G2 when it goes on sale. HP is supposed to be dropping out of VR so I bet the thing will go on sale several times in the near future. It is a no brainer for $300 or less. WMR sucks, but you can work through it and I don't think any new headsets are going to be less than $599 at best. In fact I bet the Quest 3 ends up at that price or maybe even a little higher. I do think the Pimax 12k will be the best headset available but who knows when that will come out... and it is certainly not "budget". Anyway, hope that helps.

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

Great video thanks for the revisit, especially after spending so much time in the vario. But I am confused after watching your video and seeing the launch off the carrier, and why is it set up backwards on your motion simulator. The initial launch appears that the seat is thrusting backwards giving you the motion simulation of breaking and throwing your body forwards. But of course during the lunch the first movement should be your body being thrown back into the seat, and then after release forwards. Care to elaborate?

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for taking the time to write such a long question, appreciate you watching our stuff. I think I see what you are asking, but want to verify... You are saying that because a launch would push you into the seat that the seat should instead be moved forward and pushed into me, correct? That is an interesting idea and I may have to experiment with it, but what I can tell you is it "feels" right the way it is. I think it physically moving me back is in line with what my ear is sensing for movement and matches the visual experience. Because the seat is transversing along the z axis for several inches I think that is the correct movement. I know when I decelerate it also feels correct as I get pushed forward as you would expect to do when you come to a sudden stop. What I think would work best would be if you could blend the z movement with a little pitch back so you get the pressure from the seat on your back while also moving backwards... but the sim cannot do those together from what I understand. Anyway, I will try to find some time to reverse that axis as see how it feels moving forward instead. I'll let you know what I find out.

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

@@GYGOtv yes that's correct you should be being pushed into the seat not pushed towards the dashboard. Much like when you see a car Sim and the car accelerates the seat can tilt upwards to give a sensation of more G-Force on your back. But I'm almost beginning to believe that your sim chair is beginning it's movement at the time your aircraft leaves the catapult hook which I guess that would probably give you a sensation of being pushed forward a little bit and the seat just isn't or registering the acceleration from a dead stop. But I noticed at least the chair tilts you upwards but the screen oddly goes black at the launch. It's probably correct it's just my perception that's probably the problem.🤷 but I am curious to see what it would feel like if the chair was already recessed to the rear of the simulator as you wait for launch, and then lurches forward and tilt you back in unison.

[@GYGOtv]

@@WilliamDeanPlumbing Ya for some reason I started to blackout in the sim on the launch, which doesn't usually happen so not sure why on that one. I tried reversing the axis and it was ALL WRONG. I understand what you are saying, but I think the problem is the platform doesn't really have enough force to "push" into you. It just moves you so you don't really get that G-Force sensation, and your inner ear is telling you you are moving forward instead of backwards. I think the effect you are looking for could be accomplished with the PT Actuator belt tensioner system www.pt-actuator.com/products/Active_Belt_Tensioner/2021/0202/322.html because that would loosen the belts on the launch and then tighten them when you land and get thrown forward. I think if you mixed this system with the correct movement in the sim, it would give you what you are looking for. Anyway, it was a worthwhile experiment, but does not feel right going that way to me. Hope that answers your question.

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

@@GYGOtv good to know, and interesting results for sure.

[@GirlGeekLovesStampin]

Where did you get the controllers for the Varjo? Can you use your quest controllers?

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Girlgeek, No you can't use the Quest or any WMR controllers. The Varjo is based on the Steam VR platform so you will need both base stations and a Steam VR compatible controller. You can use either Vive Wands or the awesome Index "Knuckle" controllers. Thanks for the question.

[@cuttheloop]

The tracking is acting a little weird due to the sunlight coming through both of your windows.

[@GYGOtv]

You might be right, but doesn't feel like a sunlight tracking problem to me... too inconsistent. Plus it acts this way even at night with lights on so I don't think that is the problem. I'd blame the "LED Studio Lights" before I blamed the window light. Plus, its really not that bad, just not as good as lighthouse tracking. Appreciate the advice and the comment.

[@MercuryCircuit]

The Vaio would cost me nearly £2k. The Hp G2 around £500. Is the Varjo 3 times better than the g2? I will only be using it for MS 2020.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the question Mercury. You would have to define what 3x better is for you. I have always said the G2 is the BEST VALUE, and the Varjo Aero is the BEST EXPERIENCE. If money is at all a concern, choose the G2... it is probably 85% of the experience of the Aero. The Aero is for those that want the absolute best visuals possible. For me the extra cost was totally worth it and I don't regret the purchase at all... so I guess for me it is 3x better than the G2 because I spent the money and am happy I did. In the end you have to decide for yourself and that is why I make these videos to hopefully give people the information to decide for themselves. If you haven't yet, watch my comparison review kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ7KmYGGodt9i80 it goes into detail on my thoughts. Hope this all helps.

[@jango71]

VR Flight Sim Guy says the G2 is 85% of the Varjo Aero. I have the G1 that I bought for 270 EUR I am not going to pay ten times more for so little difference. It is amazing with openXR on my i9/3080Ti. I cannot see how to justify paying the Aero, and I can afford it believe me.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

Hello, if you have the old cable (small square where you connect the power and it splits to displayport etc.) you're having some tracking issues because the old cable doesn't work well on AMD systems.

[@GYGOtv]

No issue there, I replaced the cable as soon as it was available (Thanks HP for covering it under warrantee). I don't really have that many tracking issues with the G2 in general, just more than I have with lighthouse tracking because it is Hands Down the BEST. Thanks for the comment and the info!

[@Killswitch1411]

I cant get past the Chromatic aberrations in the Aero and red shift when using anything else other than sims.

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Frozenbizkit, I noticed the Chromatic aberrations when in menus but I don't think I've noticed them in games... but they are certainly there. I pretty much only use the Aero for sims so don't really notice the red shift but I know others have as well. Supposedly the Pimax Crystal is MUCH better in both these areas so fingers crossed that is true. We will see. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@markturner6091]

How do you get your glasses to fit underneath?

[@GYGOtv]

The G2 is no problem with the spacer, for the Aero I have a really small pair of glass frames that fit pretty well. Just be extra careful because glasses can scratch the lenses if not careful.

[@jwj4977]

The main reason why you would not want to go HP G2 is the cable breaks and for the last year the cable has not been available. It a 1K boat anchor. I think I might spend the money and get the Varjo.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the info J W J, This is the first I've heard of a persistent problem with cables breaking. Mine has been fine, and I know HP got a bunch of the v2 cables out last year to people who needed to replace the v1 version. How long have you been trying to get a cable? If you do decide to get an AERO and also want to support our channel, you can use our affiliate link varjo.idevaffiliate.com/111.html. The AERO is an amazing headset for clarity for sure and as you can see I love mine!

[@DCS.1-1]

I tough I was a lucky one with a great cable & mine “broke” 3 days out of warranty & they told me I can buy a new one for 240$ cad

[@GYGOtv]

@@DCS.1-1 I'm sorry to hear that, wow must be a new issue. What specifically is "breaking" on the cable? Like I said, mine has been fine for the past year, although not using it as much as I did before the Aero. Thanks for the info leclerc811.

[@DCS.1-1]

@@GYGOtv yeah I’m on the fence buying the aero. I’m just not sure with the vertical fov Do you find it bad In dogfight in dcs ?

[@GYGOtv]

@@DCS.1-1 I don't notice it much in DCS (I fly jets). Where I did notice it the most was in IL-2, and I think that is because the WW2 fighters don't have the same turn rate as a jet, so the bandit always seems to be just on the edge of going out of my V-FOV when I dogfight. If you are on the fence, then I wouldn't recommend you buy it. The last thing you want to do is spend $2k on a headset that you might not feel was worth it. There are some other headsets on the horizon I'm keeping an eye on, like the Pico 4 and possibly the MEGANE X from Shiftall (because it has OLED screens... YEA!). Maybe those will be a better fit. Hope that helps. Also what is breaking on the G2 cables?

[@pioupiou1098]

What is your moving plateforme ? Thanks ?

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Yanky, its a custom DOF Reality H6. Ton's of videos about it on the channel. Here is the start of those kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKnadIiLr7R0r6M ENJOY!

[@dennismmm]

what motion rig do you have? do you have a review on it?

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Dennis, It is a DOF Reality H6, but no I don't have A review on it... I HAVE LOTS OF REVIEWS OF IT :), here is the first one in the series kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKnadIiLr7R0r6M. It was actually the inspiration for me starting my channel. It is an awesome experience especially for racing or flying. Hope you enjoy the videos... I think there are like 6 of them now.

[@gageboy14]

I just got my Reverb G2 for $280.00 brand new from a company on Ebay. $2000???? Lol! Also I have no problems seeing the instruments in flight simulator.

[@GYGOtv]

Congrats, that is a great deal for sure... best I've seen so far for a new G2. Aero certainly isn't for everyone.

[@Thegooob95]

Is this version 1 or 2 of the g2?

[@GYGOtv]

It's v1, I got one of the originals.

[@gamemaster5982]

ow much did that chair cost? :D

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Gamemaster. The DOF Reality H6 is currently listed at $5219. You will also have to buy a chair for it and then whatever peripherals you want to include. I''m probably around $8000ish, but hard to say as I had a lot of the HOTAS etc. already. Here is a video I made talking about the value of the DOF if you are interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3WbeHl7pdmois0 Thanks for watching.

[@mikem.2078]

Good idea. For me it's going FROM the G2, back to the Odyssey +, and even on rare occasion the psvr. I dunno, the somewhat less field of view, the higher processing power requirement, the extra power cord, and perhaps biggest of all, the off-blacks, are just some of the things I don't care for with the G2.

[@GYGOtv]

O man Mike, I hear you on the off-blacks. I swore I would never buy a non-OLED VR headset and now I have 2 (the G2 and the Aero). Something about not having black-blacks that just bugs the hell out of me. The Aero software now lets you turn down the overall brightness, but even with that it isn't even close to OLED. Now if we could only get an OLED headset with Aspheric lenses. I may end up buying the PSVR2 if someone finds a way to hack it for PC... that is how much I LOVE OLED! Thanks for the comment!

[@mikem.2078]

@@GYGOtv As for the blacks, all you get out of me is "I totally agree! Couldn't agree more." PSVR2, that sounds like a good idea. Yes I know the original has been able to work on PC with a $20 app, but is that FULL compatibility? Isn't there some concern some things might not work fully, some apps / drivers / etc might be mismatched? Or weird issues popping up now and then?

[@GYGOtv]

@@mikem.2078 Who knows, but if it works for the majority of things then we would have a modern day OLED screen with high resolution. That has been the dream since OLED seemed to go away years ago. Now what I don't know is if the QLED screens from Pimax will be able to get close to OLED, that is what I'm watching for mostly right now. Of course the Pimax headsets may not come out in my lifetime the way it is looking :)

[@johngogan1115]

Hi mate.im on the brink of buying the aero is it worth it if I can get it for 1200.ive accepted the blacks aren't as gud as my og vive but is there much of a difference to the vive with the lense mod?thanks

[@GYGOtv]

Hi John, I can't speak for others but for me YES it was worth it. If you haven't watched my full review, you can see it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ7KmYGGodt9i80. If you are comparing to your OG Vive (not the Vive Pro) then you won't believe the difference in quality. And the best part is you already have the lighthouses and controllers. I assume if you are getting it for $1200 then you are buying second hand? If you end up buying new, I do have an affiliate that won't cost you more from retail and helps out our channel. You can use that here to order if your other deal doesn't work out, Varjo AERO (Affiliate Link) varjo.idevaffiliate.com/111.html. Good luck and let me know what you think after you get one. Thanks for the comment and watching our stuff.

[@johngogan1115]

@@GYGOtv thanks for the response :)I actually have the vive pro og and the valve index I'm just on the fence right now as to what to get 😂😂have you any experience with playing bigscreen vr or new retro arcade they would be my go to apps :)

[@johngogan1115]

@@GYGOtv also I prefer to use teleport rather than locomotion just wondering would distortions not be as bad with teleport?thanks

[@GYGOtv]

@@johngogan1115 The distortion is not really an issue anymore except at the extreme edges... you likely won't even notice it in games. So I guess the BIG question is what do you like to play mostly? The Aero is great for seeing details like gauges, etc. but if you do more roomscale type stuff there might be better value options for you. I don't have any experience with the bigscreen VR or Retro arcade so can't help you there. What is more important to you, clarity or field of view? What is your budget like... will the $1200 be a burden or not? Let me know and I'll see if I can guide you better for your use.

[@johngogan1115]

@@GYGOtv thanks very much for your input :) I'm more clarity than fov to be honest.im just not sure how good the aero would look streaming video would the clarity help much.i never thought buying a new vr headset would be so difficult 😂😂😂I was gonna wait on the pimax crystal because it ticks alot of boxes but I want something sooner than Christmas:)

[@maximme]

Note HP did not introduce G3 but G2 mk2 meaning they are going to introduce G3 with MAJOR updates soon. Wait for it.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for the comment vike... Do you know something we don't? Feel free to share :), I fully expect a G3, the question is what kind of improvements will it have. If they put a high resolution OLED screen in there I would be seriously interested!

[@imposter0shadow]

So how does the g2 compare to the q2

[@GYGOtv]

Well it really depends on what you want out of VR. Fortunately I made a video comparing these headsets in detail already. There are timestamps in its description if you want to skip to the parts you are interested in. kzbin.info/www/bejne/omeUXqKnrr-Ngpo You can skip to 26min 44sec if you just want the roundup comparison. Hope you Enjoy, a lot of work went into that video.

[@imposter0shadow]

@@GYGOtv nice 👍 thax for the info

[@GYGOtv]

@@imposter0shadow You are welcome, thanks for watching!!!

[@RE-zz7tr]

You did something during your video I can’t seem to figure out. Every time I take off my reverb vr headset, DCS automatically closes the program and I’m back to my portal desktop. Is it a setting in the mixed reality ? It’s annoying when I’m trying to clean the lenses from fog up and DCS closes

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for watching R E. So I own DCS directly from www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ not through Steam. Maybe that is why? What version do you own?

[@RE-zz7tr]

@@GYGOtv thanks for the reply, I own DCS directly too and not through steam. Once I remove my reverb vr headset, DCS closes and revert back to my mixed reality desktop. Steam does open when I log onto DCS from the mixed reality desktop , but all DCS purchases are direct. Are you saying that if downloads and purchases are directly to DCS, I don’t need to use steam? Cheers (I’m a newbie 😆 to VR)

[@GYGOtv]

@@RE-zz7tr Hi R.E., no problem being a newbie... we all started somewhere. I think DCS still uses steam no matter what. How do you start DCS, with the icon on the desktop, or does it show up in your Steam library and you activate it from there?

[@RE-zz7tr]

@@GYGOtv in mixed reality an icon on the desktop. I noticed too in your video that multiple desktops open which looks to be some kind of mirror effect. 6 months ago that never happened. Now it’s every time. But back to the removing of the Reverb in DCS, I can’t help but think there’s a setting in the setup that the reverb quits out once removed in DCS.

[@GYGOtv]

@@RE-zz7tr Interesting... I don't remember ever doing anything special in settings for that so could it have been on by default an you accidently turned something off? You could also try adding the -force_steam_VR to the end of your executable like I did for the Aero. Mine is ""C:\Games\DCS\DCS World\bin\DCS.exe" --force_steam_VR" but obviously you would make it apply to your specific directory. As for the mirrored desktop, that was just so I could record DCS in full screen, If I would have minimized that it wouldn't have had the mirror. Hope some of this helps.

[@ronangsr]

I have the Quest 2, would it be a upgrade to get the G2 or wait for G3, thx

[@GYGOtv]

Hi MMX2, well I haven't heard of the G3 officially being announced yet so no telling how long the wait might be. A lot of this depends on what you primarily do in VR as the Reverb is not wireless if you do roomscale. But to answer your question, if you can get the G2 on sale (like $399USD or less), it is a great value in my opinion. Hope that helps.

[@ronangsr]

@@GYGOtv thabk you for reply, I only use it for fs2020 and dcs world, I never used the G2, but the Quest 2 doesn't look too bad with super sampling

[@GYGOtv]

@@ronangsr O MAN, you are in for a treat if you upgrade for those applications! The G2 for sure will help you with reading gauges and overall improvement, and if you can afford it, the Varjo Aero will give you the best experience currently available. I have affiliate links to both in the description if you want to use them, it helps the channel and won't cost you anything extra. For sure look at upgrading to one of them!

[@ronangsr]

@@GYGOtv thank you so much, ill start saving ha, iv just ordered a 4090 and a 13900k the other day, but next month I might upgrade I will use your link, thx

[@GYGOtv]

@@ronangsr Yep, I'm going to get a 4090 also specifically for DCS. From what I can see the 4090 runs the Aero very well and also with the new DLSS 3, FS2020 should be smooth as butter. Let me know what you think of the upgrade from the Quest 2 when you get it!

[@dukeofdream]

I kinda regret getting the G2 instead of the Quest 2... The head tracking is terrible on the G2 and the increased pixel density will bring my 3080ti to its knees.... I got the upgraded cable and it did not solve my tracking issues...

[@GYGOtv]

Hi duke... your head tracking shouldn't be THAT bad, are you in a room with good lighting and also with contrasting things on the walls (like photos or windows etc)? The 3080ti should run it pretty good, make sure you are not super sampling it too much... that is the biggest mistake I see and it will tank performance. I have my per eye resolution set to 60% in steamvr which is the native pixel resolution of the headset. Also the replacement cable wasn't to fix tracking, it was to fix a dropout issue with AMD processors but it's good you have it. The bottom line is your G2 should be running better than it is, it is either incorrect settings, or a faulty headset which HP would fix if that is the case. If you want a little more info on tracking you can watch my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/omeUXqKnrr-Ngpo start at 4 min.17 sec. to go right to that section. Hope this helps, please let me know if you get it to work better.

[@dukeofdream]

@@GYGOtv i have pretty much given up on it... I got it 2nd hand so i don't have the receipt for RMA... I have tried stronger lights, it wont help... Sometimes the headset will refuse to calibrate into the space at all... If it does, it works a lot better than just plain gyro-tracking... Also sometimes the flashlight option wont work at all which makes me think it can't even utilize the cameras... Then i move a little and it does work... Being a new 2nd generation cable makes me rule it out, but could it be the cable itself that's causing this? Then again i'd rather spend 200 on a used Quest 2 than 150 on a cable for my G2 that may not fix it at all... Thanks for your reply though man, i really appreciate it :)

[@GYGOtv]

@@dukeofdream Well Hell, that sucks... I have 4 friends that all have the G2 and that is not their experience at all, and certainly not mine either. Sounds like it just might be a faulty unit, so I don't think a new cable would help. I know you will probably disagree, but I'd recommend trying a new G2 over a Quest 2 (unless you want the wireless option) because the Quest 2 is just not as good of an image, fov etc. It is easier, but not a better experience in the headset... Of course at this point maybe wait for the Pico 4 to get released in the USA, it is like a supercharged version of the Quest 2 so that might be worth waiting for. Good luck and let me know if I can help more.

[@dukeofdream]

@@GYGOtv Ease of use is what i'm mostly after... I mean after dealing with the G2's shit for that long :P I will only get a Quest 2 if i find one for dirt cheap... If not, i will wait for something more refined :) Thanks again for your time ^^

[@GYGOtv]

@@dukeofdream No problem, good luck and sorry you had such a crappy experience with the G2. Thanks for commenting and watching.

[@mr.majestic8713]

Hey, I'm first today! Just stopped by to say hi!

[@GYGOtv]

FIRST is ALWAYS important, and Hi right back! Appreciate you stopping by, and also appreciate you continuing to watch our stuff! You have been around awhile and I thank you for that.

[@willie417]

$500 -$600 headset vs $2,000 headset who would had guess that the $2k headset might be better😏

[@GYGOtv]

LOL, yes but the argument seems to be "is it worth that extra", for me obviously yes it is. Love the comment!

[@willie417]

@@GYGOtv I’m going to soon find out, because I ordered the HP headset yesterday 😁

[@GYGOtv]

@@willie417 I hope you got a great deal! I still think that headset is the BEST VALUE out there! Congrats!

[@willie417]

@@GYGOtv Thank You😁. I look around on amazon website, read the comments, a few people recommended to order them directly from HP, that way people will get any updates they may have made to them, so I paid the HP price😐

[@GYGOtv]

@@willie417 HP is a good source... sometimes they even run a sale. Let us know how you like it!

[@screwerh2890]

having a varjo aero and driving logitech wheel ;) that does not make sense ;)

[@GYGOtv]

Why do you say that? I enjoy my Logitech wheel and on a motion platform weight is an important consideration. As you probably know, Direct Drive wheels are much heavier than the G27.

[@screwerh2890]

@@GYGOtv sry... did not want to insult or be disrespectful -- maybe its more because i am jealous about you having the aero and a DOF6 Rig ;) ;) - do not take it too seriously !! i really enjoyed you comparison between aero and G2 as i myself work the G2 for 2 years now thinking of improvement in terms of googles ! I did not really think about the meaning of weight in your environment - and leaving this out of mind in case of costs the logitech (which i also had) did not make sense keep on the good work - but i think i will still wait as I really enjoy the G2 (driving and flying) btw. real world privat pilot since 2 weeks....and the graphics there are - for the time beeing - even better in real world ;) ;) chees ;) Lg

[@GYGOtv]

@@screwerh2890 Don' t worry about it at all... I wasn't insulted at all, and you are not the first to mention this. I appreciate your view and your taking time to comment. Congrats on the Private Pilot deal... I did the coursework for mine but couldn't afford the flight hours. BTW I think the G2 is still the best value for simmers, so no need to upgrade just yet. If that Pimax 12k QLED ever comes out, it might be my next headset for wireless roomscale (would be an upgrade from my Vive Pro). Thanks for watching!

[@ChrisM541]

HP Reverb G2: Great headset. Varjo Aero: Great headset at virtually 4x the cost of the G2 Varjo Aero: 4x cost over G2 justified? NOPE, not even close. Varjo Aero: A toy for the rich. Varjo - where the hell is that 'affordable, great' HDM, in a price range acceptable to all VR enthusiasts...NOT those rich kids!! You are clearly NOT in it for 'that' market !!!

[@GYGOtv]

Hi Alexis, In my opinion the G2 is the headset for all VR enthusiasts... Best Value out there. The Aero is justified at 4x the cost for me... but certainly not for others. Varjo isn't in the market for all VR enthusiasts, not their target market, they are for Prosumer and Corporate. The company making the closest headset "for all" would be Meta. As for a toy for the rich, well I'm not rich but VR is a huge part of what I enjoy so I make it a priority to spend my $$$ on. The bad news is I don't think you are going to see "affordable" headsets for awhile, the trend seems to be prices going higher... just like everything else in the world these days. It's just a reality even if we don't like it. Thanks for watching.