Revopoint MIRACO 3D Scanner | Game Changing Consumer 3D Scanner | Kickstarter Campaign Info Below

[@truetech4158]

Thankyou for your review, cheers to you including those around you too, for all you do for starfleet. Let's take it apart and get the model number or exact battery size, then let's drill holes into the side of the casing of your scanner and make a place for adding additional batteries, if it wasnt able to use the usb c socket to also handle using it when the battery is low or if plugged into a battery bank or wall outlet. So it looks like you wont have to drill holes through the casing, which is nice. But the battery should be easy enough to swap out for another ideally like a tv remote rather than needing a screwdriver. Let's get a 3d scan of the scanner itself using a 2nd scanner, and then people can make adaptive cases for it such as for cellphones and carrying cases like tiny flight cases that handle protecting it if being considered for its portability. I plan on taking my 32gig miraco with me in case i see something worth scanning. Let's get em to make a internal app that can replicate the edit functionality of meshmixer next, or hit up A.I. as a SDK project to create a easy solution to such programming task.

[@Revopoint3D]

If you like MIRACO too, come and get one right away.

[@kane0508LCAC]

When will this be release to purchase please? Do you have a link? Thanks!

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

The kickstarter link is in the video description and it goes until the end of Nov. They have met their goal but I don't what that means for delivery dates.

[@Forsaykin]

Sometimes you just need someone to say what you're thinking aloud for it to make sense. I have the Range and was on the fence about backing this. Great review (preview?). Thanks Matt!

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

You are welcome! If you don't need the near mode(mini) and you don't mind being tethered to your laptop there isn't much benefit here for you.

[@loddie9]

Thank-you for the video! Would like to see human body/body part scans. For example, to scan a foot, what scanning mode is best and what is the optimal scanning distance from the object (latter is very critical for my application as I want to be as close as (possible/reasonable)? Also, when scanning a foot, does it lose tracking frequently? I just bought an Inspire, not knowing about the Miraco. Am considering the Miraco though as really want the tether-free option during scans (with use computer for post processing though). Also, did you receive the extra battery? If so, how does it attach to the scanner?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

Ill try to answer what I can. I haven't really used it for body scanning. I did scan my face (and every time it gave me 2 noses). Then i scanned someone elses face and it did fine with that (1 nose). So the 180 flip screen is good for maybe single shot self scanning but i had issues with the data. It is a little hard to scan yourself but here is a quick test for you to see. This file contains 2 mesh bodies. One done in near mode, and the other in far. both RGB. I didn't do any smoothing or optimizing other than removing the noise from the points. The near mode i chopped off a little extra but this is about the effective area of the scan. Outside of that is a bit noisy. The far mode was just my hand on the desk and again i chopped off some noise but you can see how much more is captured. Between the two the veins/heights on the near mode are more accurate. On the far mode they are much higher. So i would say if you are designing some orthodics or something, the near mode is certainly the way to go. And self scanning is probably not going to work well. a360.co/3Mhfc9M The near mode is 120-300mm roughly. Far mode is 300-1200mm roughly. You can narrow that range down with sliders so it clips in front/behind but that is what you are working with. The far mode scans will be the same as you can do with the INSPIRE. Near mode will be more accurate. I do not have an extra battery no. I am not even sure how you would replace it or if that is an option. the Inspire has the mobile scanning battery/kit. I have had good luck with the miraco battery. 2hrs is an average but i have gotten up to 3 before. If you are scanning the whole time you will likely see less than 2.

[@loddie9]

Thank-you for the detailed reply! This is very helpful. I was hoping the near mode would be more accurate and capable of close range which the Miraco is. This seals the deal for me as I signed up for the Kickstarter campaign. I have a David Laser Scanner SL1 from back in the day which is extremely accurate, but not practical for scanning body parts. As for the Inspire, I'll just keep it as a backup. @@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

[@android4cg]

Great review! Would like to see more scanning videos from the miraco. Especially full scan's of technical objects (all sides) like Raspberry/Tekberry case or Lego brick. And detailed comparison of single shot vs continous. Is it possbile to use single shot with revopoint turntable?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

ill keep it in mind. yes the revo turntable is just an on/off deal(with speed dial). I ran it slow and did single shot. As long as you have about 60% overlap it can track it. I did this for a few small parts. Works better with feature tracking than markers..

[@Rob_NABS]

One of the Better reviews and options. Thanks. I'm looking at have been looking for an entry scanner for scanning RC car shells and parts for making custom parts, 1:1 wheel rims too for retro-modelling in 1/10 scale. What seems the winner with this scanner is that it is self contained. I'm a MAC user and all these entry level scanner companies just seem to ignore that. So a tethered scanner would alway require me to buy a pretty powerful laptop to go with it. Annoying. This could be the solution.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

yeah that can be tough on a Mac. While you can process on the Miraco I found it easier when using a computer mouse. If you do mostly the 1 click process it won't be bad but I think of scan processing as a "big screen problem" :)

[@Rob_NABS]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign totally with you on the big screen for final processing, the capture though as standalone is gold though. They have MacOS software for the final editing which makes it all attractive.

[@regularmenthol]

Can this be used outdoors? I would love to scan some street objects such as fire hydrants, traffic cones, mailboxes, etc.

[@PUTV3D]

Yes but the outdoors light conditions cant have more than 1700lux max , 1200lux preferable for outdoor lighting , so cloudy day , or one hour before or after sunset or night , the outdoor light interfere with the Infrared project while scanning so avoid direct sun light .

[@regularmenthol]

Aweomse, thanks @@PUTV3D

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@PUTV3D Thanks for replying! This is exactly right.

[@michaelblurry6559]

The screen is a great addition, but I would rather take back scans to my laptop. I would think this would be a good candidate to up against the Einstar.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

yeah, I just saw SuperFastMatts review of the einstar vs the Miraco. You can check that out if you want to see his opinion on the 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaTEp2B4jb-sgLc I didn't do any processing on the Miraco, but my desktop is more powerful so i always took it there. For me that was a benefit to not have to capture on the laptop then take it to a desktop for further work.

[@michaelblurry6559]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign all great news in my opinion. More competition is good at the hobby and prosumer levels.

[@CleetusVanDamme530]

Has Matter and Form reached out to you about their 3 scanner? It would be nice to see some footage comparing the Miraco and the 3 since both are currently on Kickstarter.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

They have not. I have a few other scanners on the list i just haven't really had the time. I have another scanner here that I owe the MFG a video on. Since youtube isn't my job it gets to be a juggling act :). Once i get some time I want to also check out the Mole scanner.

[@markfreemanvideo]

As much as I like the idea of having all in one package, I am still not convinced that this device has enough processing power to make this a fluid scanning experience with FPS at least around 30, and no track loss issues. And what about heat / thermals on this one? I would expect things to get hot after a while in such a relatively small form factor.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

After over an hour of scanning the bottom of the unit was warm to the touch. I haven't had any issues with it getting too hot, but that is certainly a good question. I will say that it scanned faster than the einscan proHD hooked up to my laptop which was a high end laptop a few years ago. But the mesh from the Einscan was much more dense and higher quality so it was taking it a lot more points, even in rapid mode at 15fps. I am waiting on some scan spray to arrive and I will be doing a follow up video with the miraco. and i have another scanner here that I need to get a video out next week for from another manufacturer.

[@rereertege7571]

So i really want a 3D scanner, I've been looking into getting one for quite some time now. A few years ago I had a janky kinect setup that kinda worked, but mostly just for messing around with it. I mostly just want to scan mechanical parts that are too annoying to recreate in CAD by hand, like ergonomic shapes, grips, cast parts etc. So that i can then modify them, but keep all the screw holes and functionally important faces where they need to be. For large parts I've had some success with photogrammetry, but I really need a more convenient solution for parts that are "hand sized" or things that fit on most 3d printers, so like 200x200x200mm. Do you think this scanner would be useful for that sort of thing? Or would something like the inspire be enough, because most things I'll scan would fit on the turntable... But the inspire does seem quite limited. The miraco seems like it could open up some opportunities with that dual scanner capability. Also different question, have you tried scanning a room, or parts of a room with the miraco? For my job I often find myself having to measure specific features in houses like doorways, cutouts in walls and floors, windows... If it can do that i think it might be useful because it would show the weird twists that old walls can have that may not be apparent if you're standing right in front of it. Like i dont need a whole building scanned, but individual features... Now that could be useful if it's easy enough

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

I am working on a video now showing the near scanning/detailed parts. Here is one of the things I will show in that video. a360.co/3QNhxea There are 2 meshes in that file. one is "Raw" meaning no smoothing or manipulation of the points or mesh. The other has been sealed off a bit and smoothed. I have scanned bigger stuff with the miraco. i did a section inside my RV. The problem you will have with larger stuff is tracking. you will need to put something like dots of tape or something on the wall to help. color scanning helps with that if you say put some blue painters tape randomly. The inspire can work but its limited by the .2mm accuracy. So if you are trying to scan things with holes or precise features the mini or the miraco seems like a better fit. I like the miraco because its easy to just take with you and not need a laptop or tether to a phone or anything.

[@rereertege7571]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign thank you! That Turbo doesn't look too bad actually, certainly seems usable enough, even with the raw mesh being a bit rough. I don't mind having to do some work to the mesh afterwards, I guess that'll always be required. Even the scans of partial buildings I get from expensive industrial 3D scanners from a scanning company can be close to unusable... I figured the resolution of the inspire would be an issue, the mini certainly seems better in that regard. But with the price being so close to the miraco, I think I'll probably end up getting myself a miraco. Even just to see if it's too good to be true to have an accurate small scanner and a capable large scanner in one...

[@Impractically]

Would be fun to see the rim that you scanned as that is my current project, I have a cr-scan ferret and it works really great with features like car fenders and bumpers, having a bit of problem with too detailed rims but i will try it today with my laptop

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

I have a CR-Ferret as well and will be doing a video with it in the future and at some point compare a few of the units I have here. I will have a future videos talking about the mesh processing and workflow with the revo scanners and ill be sure to include a rim in that series.

[@Impractically]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign that is awesome, im Haninge trouble with mine though, when träning to use my laptop it just connects and disconnects rendering 5 framemot each time.. Kinda useless right now but works great with my s22 ultra

[@vamshikrishna9481]

Waiting for alloy wheel scan.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@Impractically yeah i know they have a list of suggested devices and the s22 was one of them. Ill give mine a go on the laptop and see if i have any issues there.

[@dmiller7758]

I have a Mini and Range and havent done much with either due to building a space to use them and my lasers/3D printers. Would you press on with those two scanners or swap them out for the Miraco?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

It kind of depends on if you are scanning on the go a lot. You won't get any "better" scans out of the miraco, you just get the portability. When i scan i process them on my desktop so scanning connected to a laptop is an extra step that is removed with the miraco. So No, if you are cool with still being tethered to your laptop Yes, if you want to be a bit more mobile friendly Yes, If you find yourself needing both scanners (you can switch from the near to far mode in the same project and get a close up detailed scan and a far away one of the same object if needed)

[@dmiller7758]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Thank you, as I imagined. Fiddling about with the setup of the existing scanners is a bit of a pain. I'll get them out again and get a sense of them again. I have a month to decide to keep my super early bird Miraco or not. Cheers.

[@rickmellor]

Thanks for this video! I also watched the Electric Supercar’s review and he said he’s looking for some scan to cad help. Maybe a channel collab would be interesting?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

Thanks for watching! I have an email in my inbox for him so we shall see!

[@rickmellor]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign that would be great to see. I’m building an EV Countach replica and am also trying to construct a Vector W8 body from scan data so I get a ton of value from both of your channels. I hope it works out!

[@luis7899]

Hi Matt! Do you got the 16Gb or the 32 Gb unit? a full walkthrough with actual car parts would be nice! Thanks!

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

The one i used in the videos was the Standard edition so 16gb. I am not sure how much benefit there is with the 32gb in capture, but it probably helps if you are processing the mesh on the unit. I have some future videos planned with this where I will walk through the scan, mesh prep and 3d modeling. I will try to get that done in the kickstarter timeframe.

[@ggjjggrs-j7t]

​@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Hi Matt !! Hurry up pl.

[@fungalspore]

nice conveniences.....but how well is the accuracy...especially compared to shining....

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

I hope in the future to do a back to back with the Einstar. While I don't have a direct scan to scan, i do have the same part scanned with the Pro HD which is a $8k scanner. a360.co/408zHv6 I mentioned this in another comment, but the smoothness of the scan isn't the best the miraco can do, but more smoothing means losing edge detail. I am working to refine this process and will be doing a video in the near future on best practices, prep, and mesh manipulation for something like this.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

You can check out this video from SuperFastMatt who did a direct comparo with the 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaTEp2B4jb-sgLc

[@atherisgreen1391]

How do you get Miraco to wireless screen share? I cant find any option for it in any settings.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

The Miraco I have was a beta unit and that functionality wasn't available yet. The new unit I am told will be here in early feb. I haven't tried to screen share but my guess is this. Make sure your device(laptop) is on the same wifi network as the miraco. Launch revoscan and make sure that it recognizes the miraco. Start a new project on the laptop instead of on the miraco and see if that works.

[@marsmotion]

scanning still seems very cumbersome and complex...data messy and lots of real world problems still not solved. its like we need some other tech doing it rather than clever camera tricks.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

The scanning part is getting better, but the prep of the parts is still very time consuming and the dealing with data after. This unit doesn't solve either problem. I will be doing some follow-up videos doing a full prep, scan, manipulate and modeling to show the whole process with this scanner.

[@marsmotion]

that certainly is a good idea. its hard to judge otherwise. the devil is always in the details @@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

[@ReneMicheo]

does it work plugged in to power if I have to scan for 5 hours?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

It does yes. you would want to use the provided wall plug and usbc cable. its pretty long. If you try to charge it via a usbc on say a laptop i don't know that it would be able to actually charge while also scanning. I have gotten more than 2hrs out of it. If you are trying to run for 5 hrs continous that would be a lot of points and you might run into memory issue, i can't say for sure.

[@motoformprototyping]

Ok it's from another company, but how would you say it compares to the Einstar?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

There are a few big differences between the units. and I hope to do a comparison video between the two in the near future. Some of the big differences are in the software and not the scanner. The Einstar operates in sort of the middle range between near and far mode on the miraco. The miraco has a theoretically higher accuracy for close up models and a lower accuracy for bigger stuff. Also when using the Einstar you start by telling it what you want the point distance and resolution to be. On the Miraco you sort of have settings like "accurate" vs "Normal", but most of the actual work happens after the scan for better or worse. While i don't have a direct scan to scan for the einstar i do have this from the ProHD. Keep in mind this is by no means the best the Miraco can do, but might offer you up at least a quick visual, and the ProHD is a much higher spec unit than the Einstar. And many times more than the Miraco as well. a360.co/408zHv6 I am working with the revopoint team on feedback for what is missing in the software and right now the big kink is in processing a mesh with hard edges. It could be that I am just doing it wrong. You can get a scan much smoother than I have in that link BUT you start to lose edge detail. You can do a bit of additional cleanup in Fusion or other CAD BUT even Smooth in fusion doesn't preserve the edges. Remeshing helps and i will discuss this in a future video.

[@motoformprototyping]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign ok great, I'm very satisfied with my Einstar but the portability is tempting

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaTEp2B4jb-sgLc just came across this video which is a back to back einstar to miraco. hope it helps. I have no affiliation with superFastMatt

[@christophec.482]

What would be the largest size of object you can scan with this unit? Football? Tv? Car? Truck? House?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

Not sure about a house, but car for sure. I took it inside my RV and did some color scanning with it just fine with a single scan of a section about 10ft long. What I found is that it was a bit sensitive to daylight. It can be used outside but surface prep is very important if you are say scanning a car outside. The more reflections the noisier the mesh will be. When doing large objects the optimum distance is 600-1200mm from the unit. So doing something really big would take a lot of time and possibly a lot of marker dots, but i don't see why it isn't possible. I have seen some scans of coins and small things but in my testing I wasn't picking up the level of detail on super tiny objects, but did well on things the size of a game controller on up. I am sure with the right prep and settings you can probably get good detail off of small objects. I got OK results of casting lettering on rims but really need prep spray to deal with the shadows cast to get good clean data.

[@christopher8116]

​@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign You need marker dots for doing large objects ? What kind of marker dots are used ?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@christopher8116 You don't need them. There are other tricks. The folks at Revopoint actually sent me a tip about using clay and tissue paper randomly on large objects. Then you are still doing feature scanning. In the past I have used clay blobs on large flat surfaces that can be used for aligning multiple scans. On the car I had smaller dots from Shining as well as some of the larger ones that came with the Revopoint kits (all of them have the same dots). The larger dots seemed to work better with the INSPIRE and Miraco scanners than the smaller dots. The revo dots reflector area was as larger as the entire dot from Shining.

[@christopher8116]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign In the case of a Car or Train. One would have to place dots or clay on a train or someone car. If there are no dots or clay or tissue paper the scan doesn't come out clearly ? How about for environments, like Lidar scanning does it work just as good ? It looks like a good camera for 3D scanning better then most what exist in a consumer price range. I assume it can take photos as well and possible HDRI with a tripod ?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@christopher8116 I was impressed with its feature tracking on larger stuff. There is no Hybrid scanning with some marker dots and some features. so it is sort of all or nothing. What i did notice is that with marker dots on the car but using Feature scanning it treated them as little holes which helped alignment. So you have to commit to one of the other. Shining has a hybrid mode which means a few markers and few features. I actually found the Revo feature tracking a bit better than the Shining, but the marker dot and hybrid tracking on the shining better than the revo marker tracking. With the color images, you can't take a picture, but what happens is you can apply the texture as an image to the model, or change the color of the pixels. The results are better with the image. but the image is a UV Unwrap of the mesh flat and applied that way. Not like an HDRI environment would be. It won't work like a lidar scanner as the range is limited to 1200mm or so. And scanning an environment like that would be tough. and remember it still doesn't pick up black/shiny things. So if the plan is to try and do a 3d model of a room, depending on your needs photogrammetry might be a better option. I think it would just be too tough with a 3d scanner like this.

[@Dave_D.]

Does anyone know what the difference in RAM (16gb or 32gb) makes? Does it affect performance or just how many frames it can hold in a single scan (the only difference Revo mentions)? My guess is, each scan is held in RAM, during the scan, before being transferred to the 250gb drive after it's done....if so, then it should have no bearing on performance (besides bigger scans).

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

I don't know for sure but I would imagine it affects how fast you are able to capture. Revopoint commented on this video so maybe we can ask there. I will send an email to their tech department and see if i can get an answer.

[@Dave_D.]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesignThanks for the answer. I just see on the FAQ they say it allows you to capture more frames per scan. Seems if it also improved performance, they would be shouting that from the rooftops as well as a selling point! I have asked on the FB group so we shall see if anyone can give a definitive answer.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

Dave, i heard back and this is what I was told. "The main difference between 16GB and 32GB versions is the number ofscanning frames they recommended to handle.Usually, the larger the amount of raw data, the more memory is required forscanning, fusion, and mapping processes."

[@Dave_D.]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Thanks so much! So, it sounds like it offers no improvement unless you exceed the # of frames the 16gb is capable of handling. I suppose that doesn't exactly clarify it....will 100 frames process better/faster than 1000 frames? ie does the RAM work better w/ less data or is that irrelevant (works the same from 1gb to 15gb) until you've exceeded it capabilities? Can I post their reply on the FB group?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@Dave_D. Yeah go for it!

[@vamshikrishna9481]

How accurate is it for reverse engineering?

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

The specs are the same as their Mini and their Range scanners. So you can get descent detail in the NEAR mode. But if you need detail on big objects it will be like .3mm. When i saw this comment, i fired up the scanner, walked into the garage and scanned a section of a small turbo. It was filthy so i did a little clean up but no prep spray. I did slap a few markers on it but markers in near mode don't work great. Its ok on the magic mat but on a small part it doesn't work great. The one bit that is sort of missing here is being able to reduce/smooth the mesh while keeping sharp edges. So its a fine balance of cleaning up the points and mesh while maintaining the edges. The better you prep the parts the better the scan will be for sure. and in future videos ill be doing some scans with and without prep with this unit and talking about the pros/cons of mesh and point manipulation. I will try to get this done during the kickstarter campaign. Just in general remember the advertised numbers are ideal conditions. If you have a nice clean prepped surface with good ambient lighting conditions you can get good results. In the real world it will be a balance. Here is a fusion linke with the turbo mesh in basically its raw un prepped form. It is cast aluminum but its not a rough casting. The smooth casting causes a bit more reflections to happen which means the surfaces will show up bumpier. You will also see the reflection mess up the casting letters and you see this as a slight shift or double vision lettering. IF the part had scan prep spray on it that would alleviate that issue. a360.co/45Ph14O

[@vamshikrishna9481]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign link is dead

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@vamshikrishna9481 works for me when i click on it. Opens up to view in a browser and the download link is there.

[@vamshikrishna9481]

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign it's working. Did you scan a casted part? If not why does the surface look rough.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

@@vamshikrishna9481 One thing that you get with consumer scanners vs higher end professional scanners is a big difference in mesh processing. With the revo scans you can smooth them out a lot but you start to lose hard edges. This is true of nearly ever consumer grade solution. Higher end solutions or mesh processing software allows for smoothing and decimation of a mesh while retaining the harder edges. With this it is sort of all or nothing. This was true with the Shining 3d scanner i used as well to a lesser extent, but we are talking a different tier of scanner in the $10k range vs the $1k range. To get a super high quality smooth mesh you really end up spending quite a lot of money. I will be doing a few videos talking about this and the processing that happens in RevoScan, but i am waiting on some supplies to arrive.

[@shredderatwork]

I will never again believe the promises made by manufacturers of customer 3D scanners. I have only been disappointed so far. Fortunately, here in Germany there is the possibility to test a device and return it within 14 days. Otherwise, I would have sunk a lot of money into electronic waste.

[@LearnEverythingAboutDesign]

Totally get it. One thing I think is difficult is that the spread of scanners on the market is so wide. If we look back to digital cameras. The ones we used to spend a few hundred dollars on were junk. low resolution, low memory, poor quality. You had to spend a lot of money for a nice dslr. Now our phones have much better quality than consumer cameras had. With 3d scanners we are in this period of time where there is a flood of consumer scanners hitting the market. For professional use you still need to spend $10000+ and the software costs on top of that. For hobby/consumer scanners they are getting better and better. As I stated in the video, the actual scans of this unit compare to the Range and the Mini. This doesn't magically unlock the next level of scanning. The real benefit is in the portability. Just today i fired it up and went to get a bunch of scans about 7 different times. With other scanners that means lugging everything with me and setting up multiple times. This does not however let you skip clean-up/prep of the units. Do you have a scanner now? curious what you ended up with.