Reynor turned this StarCraft 2 Tournament into a campaign mission.

[@WhoTheLoL]

Yaay, it's that time of the day when my YT feed gets cooler in more ways than one!

[@benlynch7577]

Ice cold

[@ben8929]

I still have to understand why while all the other spellcasters in the game are either extremely fragile, have a giant hitbox, slow as hell or all those things together the ghosts get to be fast, tanky, cloak and also deal a lot of damage against light units...

[@ixioxp119]

I really need to hear what is the counter from zerg: - not lings as they get autoattacked and even if they connect the ghosts can cloak after sniping any detection - banes maybe as if you can get them close enough (good luck) - not infestors as you have to get lucky with the terran not looking in their direction just to get a chance to take out the ghosts - not vipers as they get sniped before they can pull like straight up there is no single other unit that hard counters almost everything from two out of three races in the game

[@RichyRich2607]

Cry me a river

[@nelsonnottveit5395]

Nevermind the fact that Zergs have spellcasters that make everything melee, lock units in place, or just yeet you 10 squares while giving everyone cancer Cry me a river

[@WizardyDylan]

@@nelsonnottveit5395 ah yes i remember the last time a zerg player went 15 vipers and the terran ran out of viable choices of units to build

[@nelsonnottveit5395]

@@WizardyDylan as someone so is equally bad (diamond 3) at every single race… ghosts are not that broken. They’re no worse than Disruptors. And if you can’t find a viable unit choice for Zerg (the most adaptable race in StarCraft), that speaks more to your lack of creativity than poor game design.

[@IRdatank]

That Adrenal Glands timing. Holy Shin!

[@INS1cells]

Lings bane hydra and sadness.... That basically sums up the ZvT experience

[@10manan]

Cry you salty zerg

[@mongolian242]

what was the alternative?

[@xIcarus227]

@@10manan lmao looks to me like you're projecting your own salt and sadness.

[@xIcarus227]

​@@mongolian242 there isn't one, which is exactly the problem. Ghosts make Zerg's T3 largely useless which is why they tend to not transition.

[@MoonShroomMan]

ghosts are such a broken ass unit.

[@DeanofDeeps]

Great when I can really lock in a professional day with the MOST professional StarCraft

[@rankmayor4076]

Looks like Zerg is having a hard time since the Serral nerfs, lol. Between Reynor, Shin & Serral they've went 1 to 11 in favor for Clem & Oli. I've seen S&R try so many different strategies too! The only thing that worked was a baneling cheese that caught Clem off guard. Nothing seems to be effective against the Reaper/Hellion/Tanks/M/M/M/ghost/liberator. I'm curious to see the next patch changes.

[@jeorhan1262]

What were the serral nerfs? I'm trying to learn Zerg but everything Terran has hard counters everything zerg has with 0 effort. Tons of invisibility, splash, long range high damage options, and minimal micro&macro requirements, vs zerg with poor visibility options, soft clumpy units, low range, and large micro&macro requirements. If I don't win in the first 10 minutes, which rarely happens because the game is so defensively tuned, I might as well quit the match.

[@seastand12]

I stopped playing this patch because ghosts and now with Serral in the army, even watching ZvT is becoming less fun because turtle until ghosts

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Nerf ghosts. They have no counter.

[@davehollis5816]

Terrans have to know they're too good. You can't just spray snipes and wipe out 40 zerg supply every time they dare to put a toe within 5 miles of your army and not go hang on a second

[@impishlyit9780]

Not true, they are countered by neural if they don't manage to EMP or snipe your infestors first! They're also countered by ghosts! (This is a joke, ghosts definitely need nerfed.)

[@teddanville6996]

Ghost already got nerfted. They also lose to broodlord infestor, it's just that Reynor make some mistakes with his broodlord control. I would argue that with all the tournaments wins that Zerg had for the last 6 years, they should buff Protoss a bit more instead of nerfing Terran.

[@PCProphecy]

​@teddanville6996 Would love to see "Mothership can no longer be abducted by vipers" and "Mothership now has a short medivac boost with a 45-60sec cooldown. During boost, units are uncloaked as the ability is a last ditch effort to save your mothership."

[@berengerchristy6256]

@@PCProphecyI think mothership no longer being able to be yoinked would be great. Protoss needs a bone or two thrown their way

[@Ztaticify]

Ghosts should: - Be light units - Have snipe only work on non-armored ground units - Have twice as slow rate of fire, or just no auto attack like most casters Right now they're spellcasters with arguably the best spells in the game, but they're also the tankiest dispite also having cloak, and they have an auto attack dps so high that they out damage a full ling surround. TvZ is just boring to watch because once the terrian gets ghosts its always a slow bleed out over 20+ minutes until the zerg runs out of money

[@Twiixq]

It's to much, I think non light damage bonus and more expensive in term of price/supply is enough. We don't have to forget that ghost IS Terran's lategame. if ghost is nerfed to the ground, Terran will be crushed in lategame no matter what. Unless if other units like bc/thor get a up.

[@ZC.Andrew]

​@@TwiixqZerg wins plenty of lategame TvZ's despite Ghosts being present. So I agree with you. Ghosts might need a nerf but that is indeed WAY too much. There are a lot of Zerg players in this comment section.

[@Twiixq]

@@ZC.Andrew at least having ghosts being a prey for zerglings is a good start by deleting light bonus. Or 3 supplies instead of 2 so you can't make a big death ball of them. But yea sometimes I see comments about People complaining about pretty much every terran's mechanic ahah

[@lvo9197]

I still find it unbelievable how ghosts still counter zergs lategames everything.

[@ixioxp119]

not just zerg lategame everything just zerg everything

[@sgjuxta]

I kinda agree, I wouldn't mind seeing them try something to make ghosts less of the end-all be-all versus zerg. Making Ghosts light to make them more vulnerable to Banelings could be one possibility. Another would be reworking their auto attack to be less good against Zerglings somehow so that Zerglings actually counter Ghosts better. Maybe have Ghosts only get their bonus damage to light units against targets that are 3 or more units away, which would make them just as good as they currently are against Zerglings from a distance, but once the swarm is upon them, they're absolutely screwed (which IMO, is exactly how a fight between some stealthy snipers and a horde of Zerglings SHOULD go). Finally, maybe roll back *some* of the refund on cancelled Steady Targeting. It used to refund none, now it refunds all of it...maybe only have it refund 25? That way there's actually a penalty for letting your opponent cancel it other than missing out on a few auto attacks.

[@Talentaire]

@@sgjuxta Agree!

[@Talentaire]

Ghosts need balancing indeed. They counter everything and they even counter their counter, the Overseer which is as easy to snipe than the rest. Make ghosts light for banelings purpose or make snipe more expensive.

[@impishlyit9780]

@@Talentaire It's actually even worse than countering the Overseer. They also counter all your spellcasters, to the point where their true counter is infestor neural for the reason Winter kept begging for the entire game: you can neural a ghost, then emp all the opponent's ghosts with it. If a unit counters itself, counters all the enemy's specialized units, and also holds its own in every direct engagement, the unit is definitely overtuned. The only way to counter a ghost ball is to catch them off guard with an infestor, and even then the infestor *will* die, along with dozens of other units as the ghosts still have a strong auto-attack and decent hp (it takes 5 banelings to kill a ghost).

[@weid7070]

I love you Winter (platonically). You are a delight. Thank you for the good work and all the laughs.

[@DelawareBrooks]

Optimal Terran play and transitions, Oliveira doing great work.

[@Kimstymps]

i follow you since a year ; never miss a video. Love you !

[@PraiseYeezus]

Good ole Terran, being good at everything as usual, gotta love a balanced game

[@MJShorts34]

Go check the last 5 years tournament winners. No one complains that zerg is unbalanced.. Terran wins one or two tournaments and everybody crying lmao

[@dryliss7639]

@@MJShorts34 Serral is just a Mastermind.

[@user-nh2bf4to7g]

@@MJShorts34 It has nothing to do with a single tournament win and everything to do with fully half of the people who qualified for EWC being Terran. It took a few months, but Terrans finally realized that the double baneling nerf, intended to balance the PvZ matchup, destabilized the TvZ matchup because the only thing pre-nerf Zerg could ever do against Ghosts is mass banelings and pray for a good connection, unless your name is Serral and you have a preternatural ability to avoid the detection of anyone not named Clem with your infestors, or your name is Dark and you're not even playing Starcraft but spending your entire life living rent-free in your opponent's head, and now that one semi-stable late-game strategy is over, making ghost-lib and spooky mech just too easy for Terrans to pull off. It's not just game balance, either: two maps are heavily Terran-favored right now, and another two are modestly Terran-favored. The party line has been that the game is balanced, and it really is better than it was a few years ago, but now that Dark is out for awhile and Serral is not getting the time to show up for much it's clear that the two of them were masking that Zerg has just been over-nerfed in the last 18 months.

[@MJShorts34]

@@dryliss7639 exactly .. so is clem nowadays. Its not about balance, its about individual performance.

[@dryliss7639]

@@MJShorts34 Agreed!

[@Fad3dF1ame]

I have never played Starcraft in my life, but I just cant stop watching your videos. 10/10, would watch again.

[@roberttaylor7817]

I love his "blackouts" going into the queen comic skits .

[@PCProphecy]

(Possible Protoss Buff) "Mothership now has a short medivac boost with a 45-60sec cooldown. During boost, units are uncloaked as the ability is a last ditch effort to save your mothership." And lastly, "Mothership can no longer be abducted by vipers."

[@user-ow2ln3pw7d]

That Mothership buff is overdue indeed ! Aslight buffs to Void Rays like + 25 more shields and hp wouldn't break the game imo! Also Hightemplar movement speed needs a slight buff aswell ! They're too slow , same for Colossus, the game is FAST paced, and yet P feels so incredibly slow compared to T or Z !

[@Mantwawn]

Welcome patricia!!!!

[@Laenthal]

Ghosts abilities make me rooting for Zerg. Seriously, it's not fun to watch anymore.

[@gerkahn8179]

Congrats to the balance team! They nerfed random units from Zerg and toss but didn’t touch the most obvious op unit there has been for 4-5 years! Glad the game dies because of the lazy ass developers simply not caring about their own game anymore.

[@teddanville6996]

@@gerkahn8179 you are so unknowledgable. They already nerf ghosts. Look at the tournaments winner for the last 6 years. Zerg won like 50-60% of them. Yeah, keep complaining about Terran, Clem winning 1 big tournaments while Serral won 90% of the tournaments he played in 2023-2024 and suddenly people wants to nerf Terran.

[@arturogrimmHD]

They keep nerfing Ghosts to be honest. It's maybe the only late game unit Terrans can use against late game zerg, It's a game of shooting first

[@gerkahn8179]

@@teddanville6996 I don’t Counter Ghost „nerfs“ that have 0 impact on the Game. Out of 100 snipes in a ZvT lategame, only 90 will Hit because some units were fast enough to run out of Range without any consequences. Ghosts don’t lose energy when Their snipe gets cancelled. 4 snipes for an ultra instead of 3, 2 snipes for a roach and a swarmhost instead of 1 - wow, Heavy nerfs 😱 They didnt nerf them at all whilst random zerg and toss Units were nerfed heavily like the broodlord or the mothership and disruptor. Those nerfs have way more of an impact than the Ghost nerf. The Problem is that they are massable because zerg has absolutely 0 counter to them. They are even very strong without their using their abilities. I don’t like the Mass Ghost Meta - it honestly seems that zerg doesnt Even have a Chance against terran lategame It has nothing to do with clem winning a Championship - the complaints were there before clem won which he definitely deserved. But you cant disagree that about 90% of all ZvT lategames End up with terran being victorious because of their insane Ghosts. It’s been 4 years since I saw a fair ZvT lategame and not one Race massing a super Unit that Kills everything the other Race has.

[@xIcarus227]

@@gerkahn8179 this has been the case ever since the game got released. Not only was Blizzard slow to act, but they only cared about pro players when balancing the game, which made the game incredibly frustrating to play outside of pro play. The biggest chunk of ladder population left at the beginning of HotS because of the Widow Mine for example, even though it looked fine in pro play.

[@tiswa8108]

Dude your the reason I watch star craft 2 from time to time you a great commentator

[@briancole9412]

You’re funny 😄 I’m happy after watching you commentate! Live long and prosper.

[@Hexavash]

I quite enjoy watching SC2 games, unless there's ghosts involved. I would rather watch mirror matchups or pvz non-stop.

[@yugonostalgia8961]

Though I don't enjoy watching Ghosts dominate a long lategame turtling..... When it's Oliveira I can't help but root for him. Want to see the Normal Man win the next tournament please~

[@shariahvt]

"this is only gonna end one way." love it!!

[@metarmored]

The downside of having your hellians killed, is that they die

[@Jayd3e101]

"the ghosts are cancelled like the game named after them" god damn that was a ridiculously niche line, bravo

[@DashBlue]

Watching your videos is my favorite part of the day

[@stevenjones22]

5:13 Billy was on his union break. It's illegal to interrupt him like that. :)

[@andrewjones198]

WHAT CARNAGE WHAT DESTRUCTION! at around 52:00

[@palebleeder]

Not only to the Broodlords. Ghost are the major weakness of EVERY late game Zerg unit.

[@madbenbro]

44:54 "And the ghosts are cancelled like the game named after them..." 💀 bro......

[@DoctorHyperions]

WE NEED MORE BILLY

[@92eddiekrueger]

Ive been watching this channel to long to not have hit the sub button. Cheers!

[@boeffen5352]

Anybody else want some more Billy roleplay?

[@marcapparatus]

The boy ain’t right 😂

[@owenshaw5850]

“By the great gods of the algorithm” lmao

[@skiptoacceptancemdarlin]

I would describe any reaper micro as “piddling around.” Something to do, but never makes any difference long term

[@EspacioInterpretado]

58:40 when you talk about us subscribers and viewers it makes my heart go warm and nice. thanks for casting and reaching out to us. we love ya winter.

[@Chimpy_Mc_Gibbon]

Excellent content as always!

[@lucasmilik7626]

Why do Ghosts counter everything?

[@michaelminugh5357]

I always wonder why they don't put a creep tumor in the main, I always felt it's worth it for that crucial movement speed between the main & nat. That hellion run-by in game 1 is a perfect example of how much it can cost when the queens slow-walk....

[@qing-jaohan8641]

Oliveira is such a disciplined player, very impressive

[@arturogrimmHD]

Reynor's style is super fun to watch

[@PJOZeus]

Obviously I don’t think it’s possible because of how.. life, works But would be cool and very interesting to almost see Reynor play the enemy side of a campaign mission- but Reynor is on a slowed speed of the game compared to whoever is on normal So they have less to work with or it takes longer Using all the pre-existing units and waves and how he’d work on slowing the enemy economy (Reynor’s micro, campaign macro, other persons freeform)

[@davorsafranko8657]

Even with raynor in title i can guess how this goes reaper,hellion,banshee,ghost and gl raynor it doesnt matter that you have 800 actions per minute and prob 20 more bases lel

[@benjaminjoeBF3]

the game is perfectly balanced, time to switch to Beyond all Reason.

[@Demigodish4o3]

BGE Stara Zagora was such a good tournament. Hoping for better Protoss results next year tho

[@jean-christophearsenault2104]

Nuclear oncologist, oh that's BRILLIANT!

[@crazyjay4593]

Yay more content!

[@RatreoTumips-ig8lg]

thanks Winter !

[@NarwhalsR1337]

“the zerg aren’t sending their best” 🤧 look at what’s happening at our 3rd base. these zerglings that come in. they’re eating the SCV’s, they’re eating the depots. 😭😭

[@EstebanGamboaDev]

Brenda and Patricia going at it!

[@MoonlitGamer]

I feel like Winter gets possessed by Brenda more often than before

[@rubenjordanlangsted1585]

Love your stuff Winter

[@1uplink169]

Woop been up all night, but I'm here early! Days getting better as I better get to bed lol

[@umrete]

After the last nerf/balance patch for zerg... I don't know bro... And I thought the protoss had it hard 😢 Honestly I will return the move speed for the hydras and the brood lords before the NERF.

[@bobevans3209]

Ghosts are so stupidly broken....what an absolute joke.....

[@mossblomma]

Zerg and Terran have equal amount of mining bases: zerg loses very hard and very decisively. Zerg has 50% more mining bases: a long drawn out fight where the zerg slowly try to claw their way to victory.

[@DatPiffExclusive]

Lets have more TVT !!!

[@ZC.Andrew]

Everyone is bitching about Ghosts, but Reynor has nonetheless been slaughtering lately vs Clem, so clearly he can handle them. It just wasn't his day today vs Oliveira. I say GG to both of them.

[@WizardyDylan]

yet to see a zerg win a game once the terran gets 15 ghosts. if a unit is gonna be good at everything they needa get the voidray treatment and become overpriced

[@rados6826]

Here we are - after nerfing Zerg for years and buffing up Terran not ballanced again. This time the other way

[@famouscharactersplay4298]

Day 62....Brenda t shirt Winter?! "Get off my CREEP!"

[@heathmiller6732]

Wait!? If your Hellions are killed you no longer have Hellions? Has anyone checked that math, is that true?

[@davehollis5816]

I called the Harvard math department and apparently the answer is "Fuck you asshole" so probably??

[@monkeyaround2066]

"Terran is not op", says Terran players only.

[@hkzergy]

who thinks terrans are OP now compared to zergs

[@gabrielandres26]

Jimmy should just know the number quickly, also will jimmy stream on October 31?

[@renzobaca3022]

Nerf ghosts please

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@rescueop-c9t]

wher ecan i see this without this guys comentary?

[@klydefrosch4721]

Algoschelle!

[@mirrorimage2866]

28:33 SUSAN YOU BII-!!!!! xDDDDDD

[@danielowens3165]

Honestly I don't care about the like counter I like because I want lowko to fall

[@geuros]

I nearly died laughing at your new memes around 54:40 omg

[@hugosantos7180]

Who does Patricia think she is talking to Brenda that way?

[@xXTheBennyXx]

Why does not Oliveira card have legendary rarity? He is a former world champion

[@jerikoandrade6672]

the ghost is the unity more borken in alll the f@king game

[@luisg8873]

Ghosts should at least cost 3 supply so terrans dont mass them

[@Markty07]

I like blue/green instead of blue/red

[@Nutfalcon]

Where do you get your replays?

[@boeffen5352]

I heard Rotti mentioning he buys some from Basilisk.

[@Nutfalcon]

@@boeffen5352 thank you

[@griffincoccari9396]

I love Brenda

[@hobomcgavs3710]

Why doesn’t Reynosa look like a young tasteless.

[@Gamble669]

I watch every video! Wooooo

[@bothpinkysbroken]

Nice

[@PolineChan]

Winter: i will cast another one if the video gets 1.5k likes I look at the likes and it is exactly 1.5k likes 👀

[@C4l4b82]

How can Reynor lose the 1st game 😮

[@SavantSvant]

Patriiiicaaaaa!

[@salvadorcantu7566]

Serral dominates the scene, Zerg gets nerfed... Clem dominates the scene, no nerf for Terran... Nerf ghosts, seriously, reynor played way better than oliveira...

[@nickkaros8571]

i like your videos :)

[@aaronwilson301]

Do not understand why Reynor just made zerglings in game 1!

[@rankmayor4076]

balings are the closest thing to countering ghosts.

[@Hellafast2uDude]

@@rankmayor4076 u know u need 6 banelings to kill 1 ghost? Its only infestors

[@rankmayor4076]

@@Hellafast2uDudeYeah, that's true but at least there's splash damage. you might be able to connect. Ultras if they can get in close kills them, but good luck if the opponent has any type of skill. Infestors sure, but with unlimited scans they usually get caught and destroyed before even getting close before a fight.

[@xIcarus227]

@@Hellafast2uDude Infestors which get neutered by one EMP a piece?

[@sendokon]

haha recal +3/-3 emotional damage

[@numa_kai]

Oliviera was insane in this game.

[@pierrenilsson6189]

Isn't it something wrong with the game balance if the Terran players win 80/90% of all games featured here? I look at the end of the video first and if it is a casting of another Terran victory, I don't watch it. The game seems to be broken and no one is there to fix the imbalance.

[@CamFamX2]

Crybaby

[@natecw4164]

A patch would be nice, a new map pool would be huge. It's been six months, which is concerning. Ghosts have needed a tweak for years, it's almost like that's out of the question for some reason. Part of the issue is half the top 10 ranking is Terran players with near flawless macro and micro. Balance that and suddenly Terrans are demanding a buff. Clem and BYuN make it look worse than it is, Olie isn't far behind on a good day.

[@10manan]

LoL. You a salty zerg?

[@natecw4164]

@@10manan Well banelings definitely don't do enough damage to Ghosts, watching them face-tank 2 or 3 of them is so frustrating, so to that degree sure that's fair. It doesn't feel good to play against or to watch, maybe knock 10hp and 10% cost off those jerks. Really though, if any race has the right to be upset with the state of the game, I'd say it's Protoss.

[@nelsonnottveit5395]

@@pierrenilsson6189 pro play makes the ghosts look broken. I have never lost a ZvT to a Terran making ghosts (diamond 3). The unit is fine.

[@josephkeegan4689]

I was dared by a bold friend to comment.

[@didjunho]

Day 14 of thank you winter

[@Lvmelton415]

Is bly playing. And if so can we get some bly games (I love high level cheese)

[@Burred11]

I believe Bly went to military service.

[@Lvmelton415]

@@Burred11 gotcha :(

[@vz17233]

Can someone explain to me the fake likes number bid?

[@Burred11]

He just ups the number by one each video, it's basic engagement talk. Ever heard any other KZbinr say "Please like and subscribe"? It's the same, but with more words.

[@weirdyoda04]

I cannot believe all the mistakes and all the passive gameplay from Zerg. No attempt to Neural EMP, no nydus, no bane mines. Every advantage, up in supply, up in mining, just sits back and waits for Terran to recover. Tragic.

[@AxelTT555]

Winter was wondering, in the first game, why Reynor keeps sitting on ling bane hydra as a lategame army comp. Well, the second game kinda shows why. Literally all "lategame" zerg units are coutered by ghosts. I would not say controling ghosts is an easy endeavour, but they gain an endless value in the war of nutrition. The same one broodlord infestor has back in 2019, before infested terran nerfs. So yeah, in the second game both players had an incredibly gaz-havy armies. But terran comp is deadly and zerg comp is an utter trash. This game desparately need professional unbiased gamedesigners (not the current balance council). It would not get ones )) Prefessional ZvT is really not a fun to watch at all lately. Just a waste of time. I better stick with casters like Neuro. On the lower levels game is always playable lol.