RGE VS JDG WORLDS QUARTERFINALS

[@Solid--Snake]

Imagine being a western midlaner in game 3 against LPL first seed being down 2 games and still playing really well like larssen. Absolute beast

[@Nemanja2508]

People who blame Malrang for the defeat must understand that it is not possible to play jung if solo laners don't have push and prio, this is how they will invade you non-stop when they see where are you on the map, which Kanavi did the whole series.

[@koz3389]

It's always jungle diff according to fans

[@Nemanja2508]

@@koz3389 Yes he missed q a couple of times with Lee Sin, but even if he hit these games were lost in the laning phase and draft...

[@Nemanja2508]

@@koz3389 @Koz He can play carry junglers, but he can't power farm because he has to cover lanes non stop, that's why he mostly plays junglers with high 2v2 kill pressure like Lee Sin, Jarvan, Vi...

[@kiljaeden5405]

But he did keep missing those Qs

[@Nemanja2508]

@@kiljaeden5405 His q didn't lose games, but lanes that even with the counter matchup didn't have prio and push...

[@suitwo]

JDG had RGEs number at every point, and I still think the west underestimates just how good a player Kanavi is since they've barely played against him. Letting him have Viego twice is an absolute crime. But overall it was clear from the first game that this was going to be a quick series, RGE got everything they could have wanted in draft 1 and were still curbstompped.

[@kampfkeks6619]

Rogue "got what they wanted" but they had the wrong idea from the beginning. Aggressive bot side and better engage jungler would have worked much better. They picked what worked in first week when they have been found out by the second week. Didn't do their homework for draft imo

[@gaoaibai6243]

@@kampfkeks6619 Not that i disagree but what would be the right idea here? They got stomped top, jungle was free for Kanavi and midlane was invisible while Yagao constantly roamed around the map. What can they even draft to beat a team like this? Agressive bot but Hope and Missing are the better botlane, they wouldnt lose a duel vs Rogue's bot unless Rogue drafts a hard lane winner like Kalista or Draven, but these champs are useless beyond mid game which is when JDG normall turns on. Better engage jungler like J4 or Sejuani will just be food for Kanavi, as he got a wicked Viego- a champ that Malrang cant play. Not to mention Kanavi's infamous Bel'Veth which can solo carry the game if needed be... Only way for Rogue to win is to magically get a better toplaner and start drafting around carries, depending on Malrang to play utility champs that is fine to sack jungle early (sth he cant do) like Lilia to outplay JDG in teamfights, but that is basically impossible as that is not how Rogue plays. Imho that is sth I expect a team like T1 to do, not Rogue so sorry but it was hopeless from the start.

[@GinkgoPete]

Could they even ban out Kanavi? Like legit they were outclassed everywhere that even if they had Kanavi on Teemo the Lanes wouldve won hard enough and the team fighting wouldve been too clean

[@nersai1]

i think rogues issue is the way jdg played all year long they just tend to fall behind early in close to every game and came back in tf and mid to late game but as rogue dont even manage to get their leads in the weakest part of jdg its hopeless and besides the leblanc game larrsen didnt realy exist but he was fine and done good amount of damage on azir but cleary not to a point where u would think it gets value to put him on azir cause the shuffles were just not as good as they need to be top was gapped 24/7 dont matter if it was a counter pick or not jungle gapped as well and without being mean there was no way lee sin would be the correct answer here if you are not turbo smurfing on it bot did fine last game but somehow lucian even hard outdamaged kali there was not real target for kali cause everything is too tanky keria showed that raka will be good if you can play it good enough but i dont felt like trymbi was even close to that level

[@nicksocu]

This is in the genetics that jdg counters rge, nothing much you can do

[@kampfkeks6619]

In the last game with maybe a j4 and lb going botlane the game could have been theirs. I wanted to see some engage from Trymbi too. Still amazing year from Rogue and I'm proud.

[@ReleaseWZ]

Idk Comp played so bad this last game, missposition so often and solo loosing fights. It wouldnt have matter I guess

[@moojakonggaming1546]

trymbi played horribly

[@Pray12]

Proud of what?

[@waycong518]

@@ReleaseWZ nah throught groups and the series trymbi was the massive inter always caught out comp actually played decent for some games

[@seppv.8937]

@@Pray12 being by far the best performing EU team

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

Poor Larssen, he played so well overall :(

[@raidthefridge1966]

so well? he was shit on azir game 1 and 2 ...........

[@ensiemen9836]

@@raidthefridge1966 ? Winning every lane and being literally the only way Rogue can EVER win a game is as good as he couldve played?? Yagao was completely piss useless first game, only being able to help his team by pressing E to stop engages. If the rest of JDG wasnt so insanely ahead it wouldve basically been 4v5 with a strong azir. Larssen did everything he could, playing out of his mind the third game and again winning lane in the 2nd game and ending with 0 deaths. Rogue had a lot of problems in draft especially in jungle. Malrang is just obviously outclassed by kanavi and he is going to play champs that are going to be an item behind on kanavi every single game. Them feeling like they needed to play lucian nami 2 games also didnt help, since u get a losing bot matchup every single time that maybe outscales in a way, especially game 2. Lucian nami doesnt rly outscale against 300 armor gragas graves especially if youre going to buy collector.

[@BG1435q]

@@raidthefridge1966 larssen was their best player, imagine hating on someone winning lane 3 times in an isolated 1v1 against someone who people put top 5 midlaners in the world? kanavi is way too insane thats why JDG will win worlds :-)

[@mephistopheles858]

wdym? he's so fucking bad.

[@waycong518]

@@ensiemen9836 difference is that's the point yagao roamed and was useful while getting his team ahead doesn't matter when larssen camps mid and has 30 cs up when his whole team is so behind he doesn't even try to match roams or fight jg it's pure stat padding only time it worked was last game when his team actually learned how to play towards bot

[@MyGOGO96]

-Trymbi plays Nami -Use Flash -Misses Q over and over -Refuses to elaborate further -Dies

[@michielmanders9766]

he does practically the same in game 2 as well lol

[@sasham4517]

I honestly can't believe we all know what a solo bolo is at this point....amazing.

[@b.c8489]

wow he already knew how the game was gonna play out after seeing draft

[@2clair2clair]

its actually impossible to win draft against a coach like homme

[@mediawez]

Happy to see this uploaded when I just got home. I only watched the first two games because of the late schedule

[@TheAlkoholiCZ]

Rogue did everything to make us to sleep early.

[@9trgaming533]

the fact that comp didn't run from ornn in the last game in lane was so troll

[@fatherlessjoe808]

I think we need Rekkles in a LEC team again. I need to stop saying "we". :3 I need Rekkles in a LEC team again.

[@Contact_Mike]

No no no, you are right. WE need him

[@pokelol97]

hes going to FNC. confirmed

[@Contact_Mike]

@@pokelol97 There is no way its true

[@pokelol97]

@@Contact_Mike wooloof himself reported it

[@djhinx9586]

@@pokelol97 that tweet was bait by another account, if you look at the @

[@alexanderatanasov5837]

Dunno dude, people like Caedrel and Rekkles are obviously much better than me at the game and probably see something I don't but damn, I really cannot see how would you predict that Rogue had even 5% chance of winning the series. Like this match-up was probably the most set in stone from all the quarters. I guess people still massively underrate players like Kanavi, Yagao and Hope for no reason.

[@sajivdoley6949]

Western people have a tendency to overrate themselves

[@hansimgluck6789]

because its still league. Also RGE has shown they can beat top tier teams on a good day. Also to put yagao in the list after losing lane to Larssen is kind of funny.

[@onionatorboy6502]

very true, RGE did not stand any chance, it can be observed in the second round of group stage, Tes' choking fools them.

[@alexanderatanasov5837]

@@hansimgluck6789 Sure, Yagao "lost" lane and was still more useful than Larrsen in all 3 games. What is kind of funny is people still measure winning lane as getting the better out of your opponent. I kinda get the feeling Yagao never even tried to win lane :)

[@onionatorboy6502]

@@hansimgluck6789 people dont really understand yagao's playstyle. First, Azir is the strongest laning champion this meta, you are supposed to win more cs by Azir. Also, yagao always roam/support side lanes much earlier than other mid players, even sometimes giving up a wave. He is the core and heart for JDG.

[@patrickpasson7247]

Asia diff :S but too be fair both Trymbi and Malrang looked like they cracked under the pressure. So many missed skill shots and missed opportunities. If you play Maokai top (Or any hard engage Ult champ), Sylas should be a perma ban, and the draft in general was dramatic on Rogues side. Still a lot of players Comp, Trymbi, Malrang have gained valuable experience, so up to next year, no shame in loosing to the 2022 world champs.

[@Arotashi]

JDG just punishing everything well played to them.

[@johncurt4]

it's so cool that we have captain flower casting on worlds!

[@AngelSonevski]

The state of western teams in league is just tragic

[@musprutten7946]

dude jdg is the best in the world . not tragic to be able to keep up with them

[@Kamal-ju6qx]

@@musprutten7946 they even lose to drx ass well

[@yeljohn8629]

@@musprutten7946 3-0 is keeping up?

[@musprutten7946]

@@yeljohn8629 if it the worlds best team no one should be able to .

[@lewtx2283]

Theres some insane copium in here lol. I guess you have to console yourself.

[@hansimgluck6789]

they put up some fight. Its still kind of an ass whooping but to be fair i think JDG is one of the frontrunners for worlds as off rn.

[@aaroneymer3457]

All rogue did was show that they wouldn't finish top 4 in LPL. They got steam rolled.

[@Onezmhu]

That was a sad game to watch

[@weebinwr8116]

when eu's last hope also plays bo1, you cant rely on that sht

[@actl8832]

Really love the coverage from you! Do you edit the vids yourself or do you have an editor? ^^

[@mephistopheles858]

larssen keeps buying liandrys on leblanc oh my fucking lord of all creation

[@gaoaibai6243]

Tbh I dont think what Rekkles was saying at the end there is viable. Before the series Rogue def identified 369 as the biggest threat (obv) and accomodated their draft to shut him down. Losing botlane wasnt even a consideration and imho Rogue got screwed over in bot very early in the series, making them completely ignored the bot threat. When Hope and Missing started rampaging in game 2 and 369 was put on tanks Rogue immediately tried to switch tactics and went ham on diving botlane, giving Comp and Trymbi free reign in the botlane. But this tactic is also flawed as immediately 369 started stomping his lane and pushing T2 turret at 20 mins, causing Rogue to panic big time. Personally I dont think Rogue was wrong to target 369 but hey, that is just me. Maybeee if that tiebreaker didnt happen Rogue could of done what Rekkles said, and got stomped even faster but what has been done is done. Nothing else can change that fact.

[@annafernandez6674]

yeah agreed bot got gapped hard. i swear trymbi always does the most questionable shit. i swear pro support players aren't used to playing enchanters - the amount of times ive seen hyli and trymbi flash in AS AN ENCHANTER only to immediately die is .....

[@billtsichlakis5769]

it’s not that malrang played bad he played as best as he could with the things he picked. But the fact that u pick vi r5 in the first draft and then lee sin is absurd. The entire gameplay of rogue and their fundamentals were greatly shadowed by jdg

[@fenrael3021]

play leesin, R Q and miss Q. wat?

[@liandryss905]

GGs for RGE. I mean, people already know that their is a massive skill gap between their counterpart players and that's why they needed to fix their drafting to at least have a fighting chance and bridge the difference in skill expression. They were heading in the right direction during game 3 but it's all too late at that point.

[@liandryss905]

Technically, everything is winnable in theory. We can say that all we want but it's very different when it comes to execution. There's multiple statements from professional players and high-ranked solo queue players at Champions Queue that describe just how suffocating it feels to play against these very oppressive LPL and LCK players. Kanavi in Game 1 literally erased Malrang from the map just by taking almost the entire jungle area for his own.

[@annafernandez6674]

i literally cannot name a single good eu support player this worlds / season. supports matter so much in pro...

[@jaimecuebas6056]

Talk about that cs diff in jg first game

[@nyangtv1306]

RGe needed an Ignar hansSama of MSF 2017

[@1xgt]

nope

[@Pottypoooper]

if its the last european team in the tournemnt its ok to adress solutions to *our problems as *we ...

[@Aliens1337]

EU did not win a single International Bo5 this year. This is depressing.

[@xxxnicuxxx8269]

why aph lulu is a winning lane against lucian nami ?

[@johankvist8422]

Because Aph + Lulu is so good at keeping Lucian at arms length and surviving the burst

[@nuraby_9228]

Because Nami got nerfed and player diff

[@aodirary]

how bad is EU this year?

[@DaisyLazyPanda]

EU's new motto for these worlds for me has been "Where's the damage", since it feels like i ask that every games, sorry but i hate the vi pick, i find it so useless, even a karthus would be more annoying to spam that R and be a nuisance, and the renekton pick... also so bad, overall i'm really proud of rogue but yea, so disappointed that all EU teams decided to rarely take any sorts of damages, especially on a season where everyone is so beefy larssen on azir has been totally invisible, the moment he picks LB, rogue's chances of winning increased way higher

[@sphong0610]

Giving Kanavi Graves and Viego was just nuts. I guess they got too much stuff to ban but still should have banned those away if not taking either. Just ban the 2 jg carries and let them take Yummi and pick Attrrox, Lunami or ban Attrrox and 2 jgs to pick Ornn.

[@MT-yj1ub]

I think it's problem of ban-pick design and champion pool they can play well(especially Top jungle) Rogue could win enough

[@MT-yj1ub]

+ bot performance + seems to be psychologically depressed Malrang's movement against Kanavi Most of all, i think Ban-pick too bad

[@bennett9072]

team diff tbh. 369 was better, kanavi was much better than malrang ofc also malrang needs to hit his q, lars holded somewhat on his own but wasn't able to help his jg as how jdg mid was able to do even sacrificing his own 1 wave or two leaving malrang on his own 1v2 in his own jg, while bot was straight bot diff.

[@rolandjungco121]

I don't have hope for rogue against jdg expected everyone know bias.

[@mariosarka3807]

Rogue needs to get new botlane and they ll be just fine:)you can say whatever about Trymbi but he sucked so bad in this quarterfinals,i ve seen better Nami players in gold.Their botlane is just not good enough for worlds.

[@Jasongy827]

Jdg got a good ass team kanavi I want to jungle like him 369 is smurfing

[@PP-uo3xz]

JG super diff

[@loicvalenti]

:o

[@lhipy4271]

imagine you put malrang on such a useless champ as vi and lee

[@izshtar]

the Lee Sin pick is so ugly though no?

[@aodirary]

dependent, LPL/LCK make Lee pick very pretty. EU a weak region like NA, they don't get to practice high skill champ like Lee/Viego/Jayce/Fiora, so those picks are ugly for weak region like EU/NA

[@will4881]

Told you a few days ago that JDG would crush RGE with a 3-0. RGE probably wont even make it top 5 in the LPL...

[@Oliver-hj1np]

First

[@cransh4167]

fist

[@maile5280]

where is the Nasus support? may that help this tr*sh team beats JDG lol 😂

[@slowfaar6836]

NA >>> eu confirmed

[@Danny05]

NA 0 teams in quarter. EU 1

[@slowfaar6836]

@@Danny05 NA 0% loss rate in quarters >>> eu 100% loss rate in quarters

[@tsukasajin7502]

@@slowfaar6836 lmfao

[@gaoaibai6243]

@@slowfaar6836 Dude... Dont do that. Too fkin cruel lmao.

[@stefanox98]

@@slowfaar6836 Never lost a Bo5 in this years worlds as well. They cant keep getting away with it...

[@videk9269]

why is he painting his nails lol

[@JoaoPaulo-si8kq]

Probably because he wants to

[@thdjskxkxdjwi13]

Don’t judge bro suits him with his style

[@jenzu4229]

malrang was playing sus his calls and plays were shit no one else noticed?