MARTHA WASH INTERVIEW FROM THE EARLY 1990S ABOUT LAWSUIT

A REALLY INTERESTING INTERVIEW I JUST LOCATED ON ONE OF MY OLD VHS TAPES..ABOUT MARTHA WASH'S VOCALS BEING USED ON POPULAR SONGS..

[@cherylb5680]

All hail Martha Wash.....one of the best vocalists of all time, and I would rather see the person who is actually SINGING the song whatever her size may be.

[@vamp4403]

I know thats right

[@ralex3697]

Cheryl B This would not fly today, she would be on the stage and welcomed by everyone, no discriminations We have Susan Boyle, don’t forget The 90”s were fake but awesome

[@sociallynoncompliant9491]

Cheryl B my favourite singer of all time closely followed by Jocelyn

[@davidmiller8856]

my girl!

[@miguelmusicajw]

That also applies to Milli Vanilli

[@jonathanschweizer3631]

“I’d rather see Zelma on stage.” And where are either of them now? I’ll gladly pay to see AND hear Martha Wash any time.

[@geeskin5750]

Amen, no substitute 4 talent

[@ramelmil8552]

They got rid of him quick! He was cocky and arrogant!

[@thevhsvault9184]

I paid and I loved the concert! She’s awesome!

[@FCLaney]

Had no respect for the craft! Referred to her 10-15 year experience as something to look down on as if he wanted to only be famous for that year of his whole life! What an idiot!

[@jonthomas8569]

@@FCLaney Exactly! And to be fair, Zelma Davis was a strong singer in her own right (she was no Martha Wash, but she could sing). I read an oral history of that whole situation, and apparently when Zelma would tell people during the video shoot that someone else had sang, C + C told her to keep quiet. I got the sense that Zelma was young and as blindsided by the controversy as anyone.

[@DivineGraceQueen]

AND JUST LOOK AT WHO'S STILL STANDING NOW! Freedom WHO? Velma WHAT? Carry On, Martha. Carry on!

[@interracial2564]

Carry on greatest Chicago house song ever !! Shes my fav house vocalist

[@hgonz14]

Freedom Williams actually pulled a fast one on C&C and took their name via trademark.

[@dzg8937]

I remember this, Freedom was a jerk! Martha is still around. Glad she won all the lawsuits.

[@dzg8937]

@@hgonz14 He sure did! Dude was ruthless. He tried to go solo and it didnt pan out so he pulled that fast one and now travels off the C&C name featuring him.

[@JLPerryTV]

@@hgonz14 That’s not all he’s doing. He is performing songs that he did not record with the group

[@novashnova1232]

Absolutely shameful what the music industry did to this amazing woman. But so happy she gave them a black eye in the end, and people see her now for the gorgeous, amazing, brave, and stunning artist that she is!

[@TaRonThomasTv]

evil and wicked people. Not all music producers and labels lie and steal. We gotta stop pinning one situation on a whole entire industry. Respectfully.

[@cbdallas]

Mmm....background vocals. You have to laugh at that, because that voice certainly does not belong in the background.

[@victoriaindigo]

I hope Martha eventually got the half million she sued for, she certainly earned it, that was a worldwide and iconic hit!

[@GourmetCat1]

She deserved much more! Her voice is priceless.

[@TwstedTV]

Martha Wash net worth is 4-million. she is very well off. She doesn't step into a studio session without getting $100-k minimum. She currently has had 15 number 1-hits. And ALL those grammys other people got base on her voice. RIAA gave them all to her.

[@LyricalXilence]

Half million my butt. That song was a hit. It was a hit in large part because of that voice, she should get much more than 500k.

[@Dailyprayr]

Personally I'd rather look at Martha on stage than all of C&C music factory put together.

[@rjames908]

Yesssss!

[@jonthomas8569]

I bet watching Martha sing live is like going to a revival. That voice would rattle the rafters, and I'd love every second of it.

[@Obkool27]

Crazy thing is thats what she is doing now lmao!

[@TheUmystifyme18]

I remember seeing Martha perform in Atlanta. My gosh that woman is talented and can sing. I didn't care what she looked like. To know this happened to her more than once, is appalling. I hope you got what you truly deserve Martha. You Rock!

[@RocStarr913]

She could not pay me to see her sing.

[@freddiemanuel6155]

I love me some Martha Wash! She is an icon!

[@Eastckast]

29years later & you find out C&C music factory did a milli vanilli on the world..!! Martha wash deserves all the credit she is due & more..!!

[@PaulTaylor1]

Adore Martha Wash, what a fantastic performer. :-)

[@RadiantVaughn]

Wow i can sense so much hurt in Martha's eyes. Thanks for this video!

[@davidsanford6084]

And Martha is still singing with a relevant career! She a LEGEND and who da hell is thinking about those people who tried to steal her gift and put another face on it? NO ONE. I know Sylvester is smiling from heaven saying "That's my beautiful Girl"

[@MrSachasuperstar]

I see it live at tv and felt in love with Miss Walsh

[@BlytheWorld1972]

martha has talent and have you seen her face? she is beautiful a lovely looking large woman with the voice of an angel

[@TackyRackyComixNEO]

I think the quote at around 3:41 sums up the root of the issue: people superficially caring more about what they see rather than who the talent is or where the real talent is coming from. Pop music has always relied on shiny, flashy, superficially attractive imagery to hook people since the music industry even began, but there are times where the industry takes it too far. This was one of those times.

[@RocStarr913]

It was the best of times. Pop music has all the fun sucked out of it now.

[@TackyRackyComixNEO]

@@RocStarr913 non sequitur and also the pop music industry has always been scummy, even--nay, ESPECIALLY in your favorite era of pop music

[@crystalpcullen]

Freedom I rather watch the real ICE T

[@CarolineChiasson]

So true!!

[@PrettyPurpleful]

I know right

[@Tiripsroirraw]

Damn lmaooo I always thought he reminded me of someone but couldn't figure out who lmaooooooooooooo

[@FCLaney]

He said 10-15 years like it was to be disrespected then he’d rather see Zelma on stage than Martha!? No wonder his career was over before it started, he didn’t respect the craft!

[@Autistic_Gallant-92.]

Right? That makes him a faded star and a has been, or never has been. 🤣🤣🤣

[@RocStarr913]

He told the truth.

[@Autistic_Gallant-92.]

@@RocStarr913 yeah, the UGLY truth.

[@davidsanford6084]

I love you Martha! God gave you somthing that the enemy cant take from you! The gift belongs to YOU and no Devil in hell can take it.

[@2012Steelerfan]

Thing is, if this came out today people would look at Ms. Walsh with a "you go girl!" attitude. You hear so many stories, Martha Walsh, TLC, Rob and Fab.... artists really should have two attorneys present before signing anything.

[@michaeld.williamsiii9026]

Though I love the song “Sweat & Everybody” it does feel different listening to it and knowing that the (actual) singer wasn’t given her credit as she should have. I hope she got all the royalties she earned and deserved rightfully so.

[@rhymeandreasoning]

Me too.

[@RocStarr913]

Wash did get credit on the album.

[@Triamaster]

Many Groups at this time was a fake. Remember "Technotronic & Felly" (Pump Up The Jam), 49ers (Touch Me), SNAP & Jackie Harris (the power) Milli Vanilli, Black Box & Catherine(Ride On Time), and and and

[@juliencastle2953]

None of these groups "singers" were the actual singers? Oh wow lol!

[@thetetons744]

To be fair I always associate the 49ers as a dj group sort of like if fatboy slim was made of multiple people vs just norman cook. But fully agree with the rest

[@S.E.C-R]

I believe that Martha also did the vocals on Black Box’s Everybody Everybody!

[@thetrxppiniqqa]

@@thetetons744 ... It was a DJ group until “Playing With My Heart” and the great Ann Marie Smith/Roberts sang on all of the tracks.

[@thetrxppiniqqa]

But with “Touch Me” they were paid and received credit... so...

[@mrhawk1924]

Without you the group wouldn't exist or had any hits.. anyone agrees in 22?

[@dligg413]

Wow , I didn’t know this but I also was a child …. This lady’s voice is iconic

[@philmoufarrege]

This situation could have been so easily solved if they would simply say to her "We want to hire you to only do the vocals on this track" and pay her for that.

[@smoothnubian]

EXACTLY!!!

[@steve-hm1wn]

y'all don't realize image was everything back then. if image wasn't a problem they would've used Martha in the videos. you rarely saw overweight women in videos back then, and if you did they would use video trickery to try to make you look thinner like Vesta or Ann Wilson from Heart. The look was more important than the voice when it came to marketing.

[@SmartRobot-wc2fb]

steve LOL...that is not true...it's the other way around...nowadays is the time where is getting incredibly difficult to see a overweight pop star/singer!...What happened was that the industry wasn't accustomed in crediting back up voices or the use of back up voices as lead voices...and that was all about what happened in Martha's case if you inform yourself up closely...plus, that was a side project and they weren't expecting such degree of success...due mostly to Martha's voice...so...it was fair enough for her to claim all her rights...

[@interracial2564]

fuckin right !!

[@madiclivilles3606]

Guys, Media lies and people can act on TV… FACT: Martha WASH was absolutely asked to be in the group directly by Robert Clivilles and David Cole, she wasn't surprised in any way when she heard Seduction, Black Box or C&C on the radio. Seduction was released in 1989, no lawsuit ever took place, and Martha kept working with my Dad and David and recorded "Gonna make you Sweat" as a real song 4 years later, not a demo? You really think Martha Wash should still be surpriced recording almost 5 years in a row from 1989 to end of 1991 songs coming out with her singing and someone else doing the music videos? Seriously? You guys are gonna fall for that? My Dad never made Demos, he created records on the spot. It's simple, Milli Vanilli came out the closet in public, then Paula Abdul, then someone whispered "Payday" and you will be finally recognized with a controversy in Martha's ear. All these singers were singing and letting whoever front bands back then, it was common. My Dad and David would of gladly had Martha on the whole first and second C&C Album, she decided not to be in the band as Freedom stated. It was in poor taste that Freedom made the other statement. Martha is a great talent and went on to sing more dance records. But do not ever dismiss who the "real talent" is... You can be a great singer, but if there ain't no hit song created, there's no need for a great singer :-) The real talent was my Dad Robert Clivilles and uncle David Cole, they created, wrote, arranged and produced all the C&C Music Factory Albums and went on to write, arrange and produce: Mariah"s Emotions album and her next album after that, Aretha Franklin "Pride a Deeper Love", Michael Jackson, Luther Vandross, Whitney Houston on the Body Guard Album, Lisa Lisa, Natalie Cole, Busta Rhymes, James Brown etc..etc..etc.. to many hits and to many artists to even list, together they sold 200 million albums and 50 million singles that continue playing all around the world….

[@sexybrown738]

Martha Wash is just not beautiful

[@soulfulvoices2341]

Hi Madi ! As you wrote, Martha worked a lot with Robert and David, recording demos for other artists that they produced. Do you know if these demos still exist ? I would pay much to listen to it. Thank you.

[@nataliaphenice]

Madi, thank you so much for sharing that!

[@RocStarr913]

God bless you and your father and what he created together with David Cole. Wash had her own agenda. She sought to make a name for herself through grievance and victimhood.

[@user-ht4cx8zp1e]

Martha has such a strong powerful voice!

[@MoorenaEl]

JUST A HALF A MILLION????? SHE SHOULD HAVE SUED FOR AT LEAST 2 MIL!!! MARTHA IS GORGEOUS!!

[@flexxappeal1]

When Freedom Williams said that he doesn’t mean to sound mean, vicious, etc, but he would rather see Selma Davis on stage than Martha Wash! That’s why Martha still have a career, and you’re nowhere to be found! #FootToMouthToAssDisease #CareerFail #FreedomWho🤔😏

[@cbdallas]

Amazing footage you have there!. In C&C's defense, they weren't expecting "Sweat" to explode the way it did, but they should've ponied up when the money came. She did the work....it's HER voice. She was told by C&C that Sweat was for demo purposes only, so she should've been told that the RCA wanted to release it as the C&C's first single, and been compensated. Too bad she had to sue them to force them to do the right thing, but she got hers.

[@RocStarr913]

She wasn’t in the group though. She never signed a contract with them.

[@protectorofillinois3]

Martha Wash is the best R&B singer ever. It makes me so mad that her vocals were used in music videos, but instead enlisted these non-singing, non-tune-carrying models to lip-synch off her (Black Box's Katrin Quinol can't even sing professionally, as she's just a fashion model, and Zelma Davis really can't sing at all, as she's proven when she was on a previous segment of "Showtime at the Apollo"). Martha should've been in the music videos, not those 2.

[@rhymeandreasoning]

***** YOU ARE HOT !!

[@protectorofillinois3]

Thank you :-D

[@interracial2564]

Carry on greatest Chicago house song ever !! Shes my fav house vocalist

[@alondathomas293]

Yeah, that was some bullshit the way she was treated----especially since it was her voice who made those songs the hits they became. I mean, when she made "It's Raining Men", the song was still a hit-- her size didn't have jack to do with it. Basically she was told that as a big woman, she didn't look good enough to be in the video------- which was some bullshit, basically. There was another singer named Loleatha Holloway who said she was treated the same exact way,too.

[@alondathomas293]

Saw Davis on another show around that time, and she could actually sing, but that model couldn't.

[@tincredible]

Actually, I'd rather see the talent who recorded the song on stage. If I wanted sexy, I'd just look at porn.

[@interracial2564]

Carry on greatest Chicago house song ever !! Shes my fav house vocalist

[@vanlifesimplelife8129]

Love her..

[@imcrimsonjihad952]

She made that song what it was and what it is today. Legend!

[@smurf902]

He'd rather look at Martha onstage but there is NO better voice than Martha for these dance hits. She is as iconic as Donna Summer.

[@RocStarr913]

Then why don’t other people besides black people know who she even is if she’s as iconic as Donna Summer as you say?

[@miguelmusicajw]

Martha is amazing but there are many other great and iconic Dance music vocalists out there as well

[@pepelo2020]

TNKS 4 SHARING... GOOD VIDEO

[@NYNYRaider]

Black Box also got into legal trouble with Loleatta Holloway for their song "Ride on Time" which illegally sampled Loleatta's "Love Sensation."

[@Jannfann21]

Today it doesn't matter if ur big or not. As long as u can sing that's all that matters , and that's how it's should be .

[@kel-melprevail8127]

Damn they gave her less than a G in 1990 that was sad..

[@geeskin5750]

Freedom we would rather hear someone intelligent speak but we can't all have what we want

[@toniherring]

I loved all the groups named here but I know her voice, ONE OF A KIND, and shes the best, she can bring a tear to my eye with the joy from her voice, I think she shoould get more than she did for this. If not for her super voice, the songs would never have gotten listened to.

[@alondathomas293]

For real----I got a cassette of her greatest hits, including strike it up-- not the remix version I wanted,though. b

[@markmccoy6954]

EVERYBODY "SCAM" ER, I MEAN DANCE NOW

[@jemmabond]

Dude, if I was the Queen, I'd knight you for making that comment. I can't stand Freedom either - he can't even rap, yet he still credits himself as C+C Music Factory to this day despite being an ex-member. He said in the interview "I'd rather look at Zelma"...I wonder what he looks like now! Zelma could actually sing, but the real talent was Martha.

[@Vegheadsrock]

I would have had no problem letting them use my vocals on a skinny model as long as I agreed and got paid a fair price for it. A thin obsessed public was really just the way it was although it didn't hurt Mama Cass much. I wonder if your vocals would have been so incredibly good if you were 120 pounds. Sometimes size is the reason for the voice. You sure have some good pipes. Unbeatable. What a gift.

[@sexybrown738]

She fat and ugly there are big women Cutler than her she just not cute to this generation

[@chrisbean]

A while back i found out about the shameful, distateful deed they did to Miss Martha Wash and i didnt want to listen to Milli Vanilli anymore, sorry to say. Martha Wash should've been in the video cuz she was the real singer.

[@blktenor]

The interview makes it seem like Martha kept singing for the same producers who hired models. If that's the case, why did she keep working for them?

[@Shadow-zf5uc]

Probably to keep working. The only reason these producers were able to get their hands on her vocals in the first place is because she was recording demo tracks to try and get more work in the music industry.

[@jericholic83]

Martha didn't deserve what they did to her. btw i think she looks very good.

[@sexybrown738]

She ugly as fuck but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

[@michaelermcgowaniv]

Why did people disrespect her like this?

[@sexybrown738]

They don't find her attractive

[@e.priest8937]

It was a different era. People didn't want to see plus size women on screen

[@RocStarr913]

@@e.priest8937​​⁠It was better then. Now we have to watch gross cartoon characters like Lizzo.

[@patricio910]

Yes SHAME ON YOU FREEDOM for saying youd rather look at Zelma! Id rather look at her behind bars! Martha to the front of any stage im lookin at!

[@EddieOmega]

Awww I am sadden that my favorite song everybody everybody is probably not her comfortable song to sing......ya know with the bad history. I love me some Martha Walsh yay!!!

[@THEMETAPHY]

@rhymeandreasoning, would you also have the videotape of Ms. Wash on the Joan Rivers Show in 1990 singing "I Don't Know Anybody Else" by Blackbox, Live in Person, I remember seeing that Interview that she did on that show in 1990 as well?

[@soulfulvoices2341]

THEMETAPHY If you find it, please share it. I’ve tried myself but i couldn’t :/

[@damonwren3587]

Those songs are apart of music history because of her vocals and HER VOCALS ALONE!!! I can’t even remember the other parts of any of the songs she did the chorus on! We don’t even call the song by its correct title. We call that song.. EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BallparkHunter]

GOAT

[@ellientrobinson4033]

I would much rather see and hear Martha Wash sing this song rather than Zela of CC Factory!! I don't care what Freedom has to say about it! I love the way Martha Wash looks and sounds!! The music business is ssssssssooooo shallow about thinking that people want to see half naked, skinny girls on stage! They need to get a life! I would go see Martha Wash sing, but not the model!! DUH!!!! I also like Cast Elliott the best in the group "Mama's and Papa's!" I also would rather see and hear Loleatta Holloway in "Ride on Time" instead of the model Catherine (Katrin) Quinol of Black Box!

[@bre3365]

Diddy did it to Kelly price to. On mo money mo problems had her in the small screen and she sung the whole damn song almost.

[@Elevendyeleven]

$500k? She deserved millons and royalties, especially now that "Everybody Everybody" is on a Netflix show. I had to do serious research to figure out the real person behind that voice that I remembered so well and loved. Martha is the biggest and best part of those songs. Shes also a better dancer!

[@RocStarr913]

You don’t get royalties for singing a song, only writing it.

[@Kherudjhuti]

freedom was ALWAYS a mess; what the hell does GEN-ree mean? He wasn't likeable back then either. I'd rather see either of them than see him.

[@jamesdavidkmoss]

Ms wash comes from dance music,why would she not...."?

[@RocStarr913]

The difference is Zelma Davis actually sang and was an actual member in the C&C Music Factory. The thing is this is not the first time Wash had done a song with C&C and had her vocals fronted. The first Seduction hit "True Love" was sung entirely by her and the actual girl group that was later formed that bore the name were lip synching to her vocals. I think the reason for the lawsuit was she felt the Milli Vanilli scandal was an opportunity for her for vindication and to cash in.

[@goosetaylor2336]

And I’m Just Finding This out Today?

[@harveycena7043]

Y DESPUES DE TANTO TIEMPO... DONDE ESTA ZELMA DAVIS?? DONDE ESTA KATRYN QUINOL??? EL VERDAERO TALENTO HA SOBREVIVIDO AL TIEMPO. TE AMO MARTHA WASH!! AND AFTER SO LONG ... WHERE ARE ZELMA DAVIS AND KATRYN QUINOL? WHERE IS EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY??? (BLACK BOX, C+C MF, ETC...) THE REAL TALENT TIME SURVIVES. I LOVE YOU MARTHA WASH!

[@Eric-steele]

She should have been given millions without her and loleatta Holloway there wouldn't of had vocals on dance tracks

[@TwstedTV]

They treated Martha like a wash rag and tossed her aside. I was an audio engineer at Sony Studios and the shit you hear producers and record executives say in the studio, would just floor anyone today. Back then they would make fun of people like Martha, because back then if you were fat no label would sign you. Back then they used to make lots of jokes as soon as the fat artist left the studio after doing their job they were hired to do. And the fat jokes came in for hours. You would be very hard pressed if you were fat to get signed to a label. Most of those fat girls like Martha used to be used only for what they call "Studio Sessions" Back then they pay you between $1,000 to $5,000 to come in and sing the song and someone else came in and do a Millie Vanillie shit on you. Happened so many times that it became the norm back then..... --- Its really sad that I got to experience that in my entire as an Studio Audio Engineer. After 4½ decades as an audio engineer I'm glad shit like that is no longer the norm. Though some labels still are in their old ways..... But now that people can release their own songs, they don't have to deal with that shit anymore.....

[@Tiripsroirraw]

Yes !!! I've heard stories about how the labels would treat Vesta Williams ( RIP ) & CeCe Peniston because of their weight. Terrible !!

[@RocStarr913]

It was better back then. Now we have to deal with freak show cartoon characters like Lizzo.

[@edyoukhana4773]

So bogus!! Truth always come out 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@CDGalore]

Martha was just born in the wrong generation where a small size was taught to be beautiful, times are changing now, it's not completely changed, but size doesn't matter anymore as much as it used to, look at Adele? Plus size girl who had an album certified DIAMOND. People back in the early 90s were greedy and selfish asses

[@ClearYourMindTravel]

Just like now.

[@CleanMusicLover229]

If Martha lived outside of the US back, yes. The industry was focused on looks starting in 80s.

[@CDGalore]

Virtualgod2009 girl what? Shut up

[@dancinghands3464]

Arlene Del Bull And look at Jennifer Hudson who won an ACADEMY AWARD before she slimmed down! None of you have no right to judge. Why don't you show us how easy it is to go on a diet?

[@AEMoreira81]

+Arlene Del Bull Adele benefits from the fact that videos aren't as important anymore. Wash was born well before the music video era became in vogue (although she was 29 when "It's Raining Men" was a hit).

[@GrubbyPigeon]

We all know who the real star is Martha and that is YOU!

[@ItsJustaMeNow]

This all could've been solved with a contract explicitly stating that Martha would be paid as a lead vocalist for one song. If they didn't want to pay royalties, the contract should've said that she'd also be paid as a session musician/ singer.

[@SmartRobot-wc2fb]

That's how things work since and nowdays, but it wasn't like that back then...BUT things could've been easily solved by putting Martha in those videos and crediting her...and they didn't have to show her whole body for that matter...if you're a creative video director you'll find solutions for eventual issues...

[@RocStarr913]

@@SmartRobot-wc2fbThe single would have tanked with her in the music video.

[@SmartRobot-wc2fb]

@@RocStarr913 No, it wouldn't! They could have showed only her face in the video.

[@NaomiIsSoAwesome98]

Crazy how people care more about the image... do they listen to music with their eyes? Sadly David Cole said that the song could have had anyone else's voice and it would have been a hit. Ok, then rerecord it. Even if it becomes a hit, its because of the VOICE. Not because of the visuals that came after

[@LyricalXilence]

I understand that the videos n Ed an appealing visual. But you better credit the actual singer! I remember George Michael had models singing in his Freedom video. The illusion is fine, but credit is important.

[@amiehampton867]

Freedom Williams is been a jerk.No body knows him for many years.Martha Wash deserves more better and been credit.She is got incredible voice.I cant believe that he did to her dirt like.

[@JLPerryTV]

He thought he would be a success when he went solo but his album flopped. Lol

[@warlockmachine9313]

ITS A MARKETING STRATEGY

[@jennief7114]

I expect sleazy record companies to do this, but those so called "artists" need to be run out of town and made fun of.

[@skaibleu2653]

They all goin to hell for stealin that woman voice

[@Kherudjhuti]

Why did they keep doing the same thing to her and WHY did she keep going back? and doesn't that white man sound ridiculous saying that it should be a thing to do contractually to people, they they go in knowing that others are going to be put in front of their voice? what foolishness

[@josephmelton5302]

I hated that for Martha Wash, it doesn't matter how you look if your voice is good, it's good. I also liked the duo she did with Luther Vandross(I have nothing)song.

[@TheFYoung]

People would have loved Martha in the group. I loved C & C Music Factory and Martha Wash. The lead sing of Black Box was a man anyway, hope they didn't think they were fooling anyone?!......

[@millennialfalcon8958]

Wouldn't it be far more exciting as an audience member to see the person actually singing the song sing it live? Elton John said something similar to wanting a refund if you pay to see a live show and the person lip syncs. Amplify that about double in this case.

[@RocStarr913]

Martha Wash couldn’t pay me to see her sing. She could shove it.

[@BusanBen]

a dance genreee?

[@geeskin5750]

Ikr, the more he spoke the more his ignorance came out

[@dirtnap466]

They had to be idiots.. it would have been embarrassing for the public to find out live they were lip syncing one day.. i would have paraded her around all day long.. its that voice that was so powerful, its no doubt that its rainin men was a hit, all big & beautiful in that video & that didnt even matter.. 😄

[@ebonibrown3137]

I hate what they did to Martha they just use her voice but don't paid her a fair amount (she did all the singing while the model did is just lip syncing and looked pretty). I feel that what they did was fucked up but I could understand why they did it. In the music industry sex sells more than talent does so yeah there is going to use someone that look like a model over someone that is plus size in videos esp. in dance videos.

[@Ambrosia369]

They did the same thing to Jocelyn Brown. You remember that song "I GOT THE POWER"? That was Jocelyn Brown and she never got a dime for it.

[@ebonibrown3137]

Danielle Rameau I didn't know that but this was very common back then (remember Milli Vanilli).

[@Ambrosia369]

Eboni Brown Now that was too embarrassing. And to think girls used to lose their mind over them. Hahaha

[@ebonibrown3137]

Danielle Rameau lmao girls back than used to lose their minds over those two frauds lol.

[@Ambrosia369]

Check out this funny video on youtube when you get a chance. It's real funny and think you will enjoy it. The guy name is : James wright posing as a former drug dealer, saved grandma. The song title is: In Love with the coco

[@ralex3697]

She is worth more than what she was paid Why did she agree to sing for them Baffling

[@ScotsPipe]

I don't think I have ever been asked by a record company PR ,what kind of People do u think would suit to front this Dance Act ! Oh well the actual singer ,why be shallow & have. Lip Sexy singer come in & get all the do & have the real singer get only £100,00 , just have the real singer no fake lippy people in , I much prefer realness & raw ... Same on " "Milli Vanilli not really ! For example Loleatta Holloway Martha Wash & Katrin Quinal , for the other four " Dreamland " releases with from Black box Were Martha Wash's...

[@millennialfalcon8958]

Beyond the sizest bullshit. You CANNOT pay someone to sing background vocals then use their vocals for lead and not give them royalties.

[@zeebo8965]

im with katrin on this one bcos black box wouldnt of been that big if it was a fat lady in the clip... katrin was perfect cos she was sooooo striking in a grace jones type way.... she was fierce she had fire and she was THE FORCE behind black box whether u like it or not!

[@alondathomas293]

Zeebo: Seriously: she wasn't the one singing the actual songs, so she was hardly a "force" behind anything. She was just the image for Black Box, nothing more. Martha Wash is the one voice people remember, not the model who couldn't even sing one tune.

[@miguelmusicajw]

@@alondathomas293 👏

[@squeallymaniac]

🤡

[@JosephineBoy3]

Reap wat u so tho

[@jonathansaca2465]

Wanna hear that fool talk about it after he lost the lawsuit

[@comptonproduction]

selling fantasy.

[@BlaquePauldron]

Freedom Williams is SO mediocre but I respect his honesty.

[@Smithworks2]

Blaque Pauldron he's stupid, not honest.

[@michaelermcgowaniv]

WTF is a GENREE??

[@AIGeneratedBITCoinApproved]

How many Milli Vanilli's are out there today? Its all fake.

[@rhymeandreasoning]

Many

[@RK831]

I don't care. Zelma is hotter!

[@atrocchia]

She only sued for half a million dollars. I would have sued for several million. Check out the video of Funkytown by Lipps Inc. It's a Black woman's voice, but they have a White woman in the video.

[@rhymeandreasoning]

Yeah. For years I had seen the FUNKYTOWN video on tv and it was always with the white girl, so I always assumed it was the white girl who was the actual singer. Was not until the internet took off rhat I found out hell no, the white girl was not the singer at all. Had no clue the group was all black. Blew me way. Not sure why they used the white girl in the video.

[@PhilVerryChannel]

.... And... Martha in truth, was right and did win. That was a fiesty, shiesty thing to do. She was fat and they didn't like it.

[@blairparnell7565]

She was raped.....just sad she never got the Millions of Record Industry.But wait.Record industry never had former profile.?...Change in legislation 'way overdue'.Cause her voice was epic!.

[@trytobenice7234]

👙 2:30

[@aquillasteele602]

Is shame that didn’t Martha in the video because she was skinny

[@RT-lt6ex]

Maybe back in the day when she had more wind? Now she sounds terrible!! I rather be fooled

[@SealofPerfection]

Zelma could sing this song great. There's lot of disrespect towards her, but remember: She didn't have anything to do with Martha not staying with the group, and she also sang several other songs on that album, AND she could do Martha's vocals live just fine...in addition to dancing all over the place. The girl is super talented. The only lip syncing she did on this song was on the video, and even the original singers lip sync videos. So what? Martha got paid for this performance. Might not have been a load of money, but you're talking a brand new group nobody had ever heard of on their first album. Nobody knew if it would even sell or not. And she AGREED to the amount, probably thinking it's just another job in the studio, and this one just happened to be a hit. She only had a problem with it after it became a hit. I guarantee you if this hadn't been a hit, you'd have never heard a word from her. And y'all can say Martha's voice made that song....it helped, but the video helped make it, too because video was huge back then, and Zelma helped sell the video. So both contributed. In fact, I'd say the song's popularity helped Marth as much or more than she helped that one song.

[@kenthuang436]

Zelma does have an amazing singing voice but it isn’t as impactful or soulful as Martha’s and it is a shame that people think that Zelma couldn’t sing at all when that wasn’t the case. The Black Box model couldn’t speak English which is why we never her her sing or speak.

[@MediaBuster]

There is no lawsuit for lying to the public... (there should be probably) LOL the attorney is ridiculous... sorry, if you sign a studio performer agreement you are bound by it. Same as actors sign release forms to the producers. There is not a single fact that creates a cause of action. Don't do studio sessions if you're gonna complain later. However, the fake singer can't win the award for vocals unless they did them.