Rich Eisen: It’s Time to Start Treating the Nuggets Like the Defending Champs They Are

Rich Eisen and the guys react to the Denver Nuggets roaring back to even their series against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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[@315giants]

the nuggets just continue to make the national sports media look stupid

[@Anthony-hu3rj]

Not really. They got crushed in games #1 and #2. Then they crushed in games #3 and #4. I'm not sure who wasn't on the Timberwolves bandwagon and now they're on the Nuggets bandwagon. The world rides around on bandwagons, it's human nature.

[@Bahhh28]

@@Anthony-hu3rjtell that to my parlay when them and pacers were both 0-2 down babbyyyyyyy

[@houstoncolorado]

⁠@@Anthony-hu3rjassuming the nuggets would get swept after going down 0-2 with a gimp Jamal is not a bandwagon, it’s ignorant disrespect

[@ExplodingPoteto]

​@@Anthony-hu3rj they got crushed in game 2. Not game 1. Nuggets failed to stop Naz in the 4th of game 1 and lost.

[@nor-in5kj]

@@Anthony-hu3rj Stop making it sounds like changing minds all the time is acceptable. It's unacceptable. I's sad and pathetic. fans should be loyal to the team they cheer for. They should believe in them until the end, even when they're down 0-3.

[@omgbygollywow]

When Shaq dissed Joker, he woke the sleeping giant, poked the bear, grabbed the tiger by the tail, played with fire, tugged on Superman's cape, spit into the wind, pulled the mask off the old Lone Range and messed around with Jim.

[@GARRY3754]

I kinda thought that. His teammates got his back. Diss him diss whole team. With that said LeBron and Lakers weren’t chopped liver. They were tough.

[@timetowakeup6302]

Jim Croce was the best

[@Zemlja_je_ravna]

Tell Nikola Jokic that he didn't deserve to be MVP and you got a series

[@tryhardfinessedyou]

Do bapadoodoodooo a hush fell over the pool room

[@robp9746]

@@Zemlja_je_ravnaplease tell him some more. Keep talking Shaq.

[@GuySmithSmoke]

Jokic is a freak. It's unbelievable.

[@moedark4390]

he really is, especialyl considering he has the physique of your average drinking buddie

[@Nbz0]

WOW. Chris Brockman saying Denver isn’t a sports town is just asinine. Avs have won a championship in the last 5 years. Nuggets have won a championship last year. Denver Broncos have the record for sold out stadium games in all of the NFL and a historic fan base. Ball arena is sold out for Avs and Nuggets game EVERY WEEK. What an idiotic statement.

[@PapaT79]

These shows are run by east coasters. Our teams in Seattle hardly get mentioned whether winning or losing.

[@SparklingHarmony]

The mainstream media hates Jokic and desperately wants Edwards to take over lol

[@lollijavier5820]

SAD TO SAY , THEY CANT AS BACK TO “0” 😝

[@johnjohnson7036]

Let's be honest, people hating on Jokic has nothing to do about him playing in Denver. K Perkins said the quiet part out loud. He's a little to pale for the media to be as successful as he is. I completely disagree with Perk but i at least give Perkins respect for actually speaking the truth. If Jokic had a darker tan all these people in the media would be raving about how we're watching a historically great player

[@reyan063434]

💯 Because the typical american sports fan is obsessed with the next black, athletic, flashy and arrogant athlete and Jokic is none of the above. Jokic and the Nuggets style of play is an acquired taste and you need to be a real fan of basketball to appreciate it. Sadly the national media dont put that effort.

[@dronepocket325]

Racism is why he doesn't get the love.

[@brentbman6945]

The problem with the national media is that they only grudgingly admit that Jokic is a great player. Add that to Denver being considered as a flyover city in a flyover state, and you have the complete ignorance of the East/West coast media.

[@bernarddo6594]

The nuggets are modern day Spurs.

[@fiscolorado656]

I used to hate the Spurs for beating my Thuggets, back in the day. Now I love the modern day Spurs.

[@avantesmith6442]

Most accurate

[@Kingepticon]

@@fiscolorado656I hated the Spurs too, especially Bowen and Sean Elliot before him.

[@veerchasm1]

Great analogy. Timmy and Jokic are the glue that drives their respective teams

[@Dr-puppenstein]

Spurs were winners though😂

[@Seeker794]

It's been quite the dramatic shift. T-Wolves couldn't have had any more wind in their sails.

[@27wesleylawson80]

Those so called media critics have this distain for European players who have dominated the league - Jokic, luka and Gianis

[@ErroneousMonk1]

Luka only dominates the buffet.

[@JuanAlmonte-rf7xk]

The fact of the matter is that the Nuggets are a very good team,the pieces fit & their best player is very selfless & humble.All the so called experts get stuck on names not team chemistry

[@PxRx85]

💯 THIS ☝️☝️☝️

[@Beardo2517]

We deal with this all the time in Denver. The sports media views us as a small town market that's not worth the money. If the Nuggets were in LA or NY or Boston they'd be on every show as the best team we've seen in a decade

[@tjtidwell1974]

These guys pretend that Denver isn’t a great sports town with many championships.

[@oldmansportsog2514]

Yup and they use the small market as an excuse but the nba hypes up okc and Memphis both way smaller markets and they called minny a mid market well wtf denvef then they a mid market too but they treat them like crap

[@Beardo2517]

@@tjtidwell1974 I know right. I'm not really a Broncos fan anymore but damn they've got 3 rings, the Avs have 3, the Nuggets have 1, the Rapids have 1, the Mammoth have a few and DU hockey is the best in the country

[@tjtidwell1974]

Rich Eisen is a Jets fan Stephen A is a Knicks fan…quick question how many titles have those teams won in the past half century? But they are the ones acting like they know what it takes to win championships…GTFOH

[@Beardo2517]

@@tjtidwell1974 What I find most laughable about Jets fans is that they can't let go of Namaths nuts. Dude won a ring 55 years ago and was trash after that

[@Other_Robots]

The fact that the bald dude even thought the reigning champs would get swept shows the little respect nuggets get. People talk more highly about the Celtics, who have a reputation for choking and being mentally soft, than they do about the nuggets who literally just won a ring

[@mtadams2009]

I think you’re being a little soft. The Celtics have taken a lot of crap after their two defeats. As you have pointed out the Celtics have been one big choke and yes I think if the Celtics get through whoever they play the Celtics will be the underdogs. But make no mistake the Celtics have taken loads of crap even from our local media.

[@gmaasry]

He should at least have owned it instead of saying other people had the same view. Very weak.

[@oldmansportsog2514]

​@mtadams2009 Celtics Still get praised all season while espn never talked about them unless they lost

[@Dr-puppenstein]

All this shows is the refs are rigging it for the defending chumps😂

[@CapnDiddles]

@@Dr-puppensteinactual cope. People like you talk just to talk I swear. In the first round the lakers had 15 more free throw attempts than the nuggets and as of right now the Timberwolves have 5 more attempts than the Nuggets. I’m pretty sure if the refs were trying to make the Nuggets win they would give the Nuggets MORE free throws than the teams they are playing against. Not less.

[@brandonrivera4428]

How can you NOT love the Nuggets?

[@DamianBadalamenti]

Jamal didn't even look or say anything to Ant and the media making a big deal about absolutely nothing is hilarious.

[@jandrew99]

my take as well.... ant is still immature...talented as he is...also can tend to be a ball hog not trusting or acknowledging it is a 5 man team...

[@SinkrSwim]

Jamal was saying stuff going up and down the court, but he knows better than to give sound bytes to the other team in pressers. I hope Malone had his video guys edit together some of ANTs statements for more fuel.

[@user-tt1hx2nm4p]

​@@SinkrSwimJamal got 🖕chip , how many Ant got? Jamal don't talk to losers

[@mrmistmonster]

Nuggets were clearly not playing to their potential through the Lakers series and the first two Wolves games. Like the only question was if the Nuggets would wake up.

[@jesstiss222]

👏👏👏Yes, EXACTLY and well said! But they wouldn’t even give the champs the benefit of the doubt and were all super excited to celebrate their demise. Gotta love it lol smh

[@SinkrSwim]

If they woke up was a huge question. I hope like last year they got mad in the 2nd round and just dominate other teams the next 2 rounds.

[@fiscolorado656]

Let's Go Nuggets!!!

[@sunnyv5718]

A basketball best of 7 has the opportunity for coaches and players to make adjustments. Anyone who has watched basketball for any decent amount of time understands this obvious fact. The only people who seem to forget this reality are the sports analysts.

[@broncosbeat8539]

Them saying Denver is not a Sports town is fucking lol. The Broncos have been to 8 super bowls and won 3 with 2 all time QBs. The Avs are a decorated franchise in the midst of a title window just off of a Stanley Cup. The Nuggets are on the precipice of a dynasty. The last 5 years are riddled with MVP awards. Even their pro lacrosse team is racking up titles.

[@TheOmengod]

Overreaction Monday is everyday in the NBA now. If Denver wins again on Tuesday, the media will say that they are destined to win eight championships in a row. If they lose, its we knew it. 😂

[@Robotofdoom5965]

Salty TWolves fan I see

[@daltonfarris]

Yep, I think 8 championships is more likely thanthe nonsense the media was saying last weekend

[@arturobugarin3125]

Tee hee hee... 🤡 the Nuggets are the real deal and deserve the hype they receive.

[@oldmansportsog2514]

They will never say denver going win 8 in a row. They have made nuggets into the villans.they they bad boy pistons because Ant is MJ and Bad Boy Piston Rookie Scott Hastings is Nuggets TV guy

[@guyleclerc7324]

you nailed it :) the flavor of the day

[@tonysoprallen]

Here is the answer Colorado is relatively small market and Nuggets are the cryptonite for media favourites Lakers and Lebron Nobody want them succeed cause they are not flashy, Joker "do not care about basketball" and what not

[@theMinutemanPodcast]

This nuggets and jokic reminds me of Duncan and the Spurs.... Every year everyone talked about Kobe, LeBron, etc, but San Antonio cruised through the West and Duncan got multiple rings... Till this day Duncan is STILL underrated to many people's all time lists. That's just what Jokic and this nuggets team (could) be... Just forever underrated, because Jokic isn't a flashy, loud mouthed, media frenzied, athlete. He's just a winner. He wins. That team wins. Just like that Spurs team did with Duncan for almost 2 decades

[@ProjectExMachina]

We are underrated and I wouldn't like it the other way

[@406dn7]

Edwards was on the court at the end of the half. His turnover led to the dunk, which led to the dumb pass, which led to the half court shot by Murray.

[@Dex000x]

A lot of people don't understand what they're watching with Jokic and the Nuggets. Denver plays a different style than the casuals are used to, and they don't really get why the Nuggets are a such a great team, or why Jokic is an indisputable all time GOAT. They don't realize how lucky they are to get to see him play in his prime.

[@SinkrSwim]

Not the all time GOAT, but he is just below that Jordan argument. If he gets a few more rings(3+) then we can have that talk.

[@TideV2]

Big difference has been Murray and Gordon stepping up. When those two are playing like this with Jokic doing his thing they’re unstoppable.

[@jeremyroberts8822]

Also MPJ he’s been a lot better this year in the playoffs so far. Him, jokic, Murray and Gordon can all go for 25-30 points on any given night. Hard to beat a team with a starting five like that

[@Denverscorpio]

Don't forget the bench, they been out scoring the wolves bench by a whole Lotta bit!

[@SinkrSwim]

Good to see Holiday and Braun making some shots, that's what we lost with Bruce and Jeff more than anything just timely shots when Jokic or Murray got them the rock wide open.

[@tbakk1566]

revealing comment from ANT about the pressure/Nuggets talking "we love it - or at least I love it" - he's not sure his teammates can take the pressure!

[@milehimagic5033]

Five Thousand two hundred feet!! Milehimagic!! LETS GO NUGGETS!!

[@brandonjacobsen3153]

5280

[@headzonsight7009]

Two hundred and eighty…

[@Denverscorpio]

You should make a edit lol

[@ChuckNorrisTrainsSharknados]

.. it’s fun you aren’t worried who was out for Denver during those 2:40 seconds .. ughh Rich And Jokić sat for 6 minutes straight and Wolves ONLY gained 5 points .. Murray & Jokić didn’t even play 40+ minutes lol

[@MJisGoat797]

yep, and it wasn't cause of conditioning for Jokic, he just got in early foul trouble.

[@calebwilson3892]

This

[@ChuckNorrisTrainsSharknados]

@@MJisGoat797 they seat him like they usually do at that time, but the bench was playing good so they rode with it .. Holiday & Braun with Gordon are easier making the push Denver needs with resting Jokic for the 4th

[@acornsucks2111]

Lots of respect for Gordon. Shaq should listen.

[@theosoblanco1227]

Thank you!

[@jesstiss222]

Nahhh keep that same energy! We feast on your tears and excuses, haters and media puppets. Don’t switch up now! *NUGGETS VS EVERYBODY* 🔥⚒️🔥⚒️🔥⚒️🔥⚒️🔥

[@maxherzog3287]

"jokic can't jump over a phone book" did you not see his poster featuring Ant?

[@user-tt1hx2nm4p]

If it was Ant posterizing Jokic it would be all over ESPN and House of Highlights.

[@nighthiker]

It's incredible how shallow is what passes as "basketball analysis" these days. For example, saying that if it was not for the crazy 8 points in 20 seconds moment the Wolves would have won: The Nuggets managed their final 3 or 4 possessions and were more concerned with running the clock than scoring to finish the game. That's something they do a lot - they rarely look to completely demolish the other team (for better or worse, and unless it's in a game they had something to prove, like game 3) - they have learned to play as well as needed to win the game, because they know a championship run is a marathon, and a 5 point win counts for the same as a 30 point one. Sometimes it comes back to bite them, like in the loss to the Spurs at the end of the season, the lone loss to the Lakers, or even the first game against Minny (the second game was an anomaly in more ways than one). But in the long run it has been proven to be a winning formula so far. And that has a lot to do with how Jokic plays, really - with him you seldomly see wasted motion, which is why he rarely dunks, again, unless he thinks he has something to show people. Why spend energy dunking the ball when he has the softest touch around the basket and a layup is worth the same 2 points? If it was a closer game, they'd have executed differently and the result more likely than not would have been the same. You gotta learn to go past the surface, folks, even more so if you wanna self-identify as "basketball analysts". Cheers!

[@tomatden]

Great comments! Thank you! It’s funny that at the end, the bald guy thought he needed to re-explain his “analysis” to Rich as to why they won by 8.

[@codypecholt2561]

I think Denver will beat the wolves in the next to games and it will not be close

[@NikhilKumar-fo5on]

🎯 totally agree with Rich here

[@FU2006]

For a guy who can't jump over a phonebook, he just put a massive dunk on just saying!

[@Dex000x]

ANT's comments sound like a man drowning and flailing and trying desperately to keep his head above water before he goes under for the last time.

[@rjohn0493]

Wasn’t rich the one saying it’s more likely they get swept than them going into Minnesota and winning both. I know he didn’t think they’d get swept but he definitely didn’t believe Denver would win both.

[@JanTheViking]

Yes he did. LOL

[@lazarduke6596]

The Joker sat for 6 minutes (at that 2:40 remark). That door swings both ways.

[@jasoncopen5745]

As a Denver native, we're used to being under recognized by the national media and sports "people"...every team, every year, no matter the star power we have, championships we've won or any success we've had. It doesn't matter which league, team or player we'll ever have. Until media decides that Denver is just as "allowed" to be considered as important as any coastal city, then we'll always be spoken in less than respectful ways. It's all good though, we're all used it and will continue to love our teams and players and we'll put them on the level they deserve! I am sure every other "small" market team would feel the same way!

[@austinabbott1120]

Crazy how good of a series this had been, and there has yet to be a close game.

[@JohnFisherjpec]

Edwards is fantastic but he was a -32 in game 3. So if you are going to say he needs help, being minus32 has to be owned too.

[@DaveLogan-mp1or]

Nuggets made some great adjustments on Screen Game by extension of 10' just inside 3 pt Line pick and Roll or Jokic spin cycle floater or kick Out 3 sor AG slash to Rim Slams..The transition off rebound and Running Wolves in their own bldg

[@gabrielsoto8269]

As a nuggets fan, Thank You rich for finally expressing the truth

[@websoup]

Aaron was the no 1 player on that Orlando team and what many still believed should've been Slam Dunk Champ with that all-time great dunk.. If you're gonan say he's a lovechild...you need to throw someone uber athletic to go with clutch Horry

[@anthonyslazas6413]

Nuggets in 6

[@billjenkins2503]

Reminds me of the Lakers Boston series in the 80's(denver/minnesota)

[@willzsportscards]

that 8 point logic at the end kills me. that's not how game flow works guys, and you know it.

[@upforanything5214]

Preaaaaaach 🙌🙌🙌

[@alexwest3293]

I felt that watbecause I was surprised the T-Wolves did that the first two games to a team that is so damn good in the Nuggets. But I’m not surprised now that the Nuggets are playing the way I thought they would have the first two games. It’s hard to be surprised that they “have the heart of a champion” while they are literally the defending champs.

[@amahana6188]

The argument can be made that Gordon is the second best player on the Nuggets. He has incredible court awareness. If you look at the hustle plays that truly impact the game, you’ll see Gordon making a steal, saving a ball, massive offensive rebounds…you name it. The dude is almost always in the right place at the right time.

[@pompelmostique]

I wish media like Chris Brockman would grow up. It's okay to love how you spend your time outside of work MORE than your work, even though you're AMAZING at what you do for work. Jokic is just a regular dude. Stop the hate. He's incredible

[@REV.995]

Nuggets are used to being disrespected by the media that is sleeping when they play most of the time.

[@wadehenderson1081]

Nuggets in 6. Just like I predicted before this series started.

[@childhoodtimemachine8795]

When the Warriors won the championship in 2015, people were saying that it was fluky because a lot of teams they beat in the postseason had injuries to key players. They really didn’t get respect for that title until they won again in 2017. Point being, Denver will basically have to win another one, as unfair to them as that is.

[@jesstiss222]

8:56 Joker has had differentials like that FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS and carried the Nuggets in each of his MVP seasons with NO All-Star teammates and with Jamal out, but how many times did you media puppets bring that up?? Every time the media’s “chose ones” breathe, yall are swooning and hyping them up even while Joker has been doing the SAME THINGS with greater results for YEARS straight. Don’t act like this is a coincidence

[@SinkrSwim]

This talk is what people in Denver have had for years. He's an all time great, not many times you know it's an all time great in his prime so we are enjoying the MP3 in Denver after Jokic got snubbed last year when he ducked out.

[@ARIZJOE]

This series determines NBA title. Minnesota could be the new big thing: Ant Man plus that tall timber. Coach Malone is now pushing the ball to avoid Wolves' defense. Murray must play like a star. Gordon and Porter like solid complimentary players, and not invisible men. Gordon is very, very long and super athletic. His play might be the key. Joker will always be Joker.

[@Sli8ht]

Tell ‘em Rich!

[@user-tt1hx2nm4p]

Rich ain't saying 💩

[@mrvhz7]

“It’s time to treat them like champions now”. Problem with American media right there

[@Stretch79]

The take of Jokic hating basketball and would rather be doing anything else, is so outdated and such a false narrative, I cant believe you all still believe that. The greatest trick the Joker ever pulled, was convincing the world, he didnt care

[@desertsnow3360]

It has been time for a while. Sports media has a thing against Denver, not just in basketball, but football too. No matter how much they win, the talking heads hate.

[@veerchasm1]

no one in the current NBA controls the pace, the space and gets his teammates involved like Nikola Jokic.

[@Michael-vn2jj]

They are the new Spurs, always going to be a contender, play as a team, and never get the media hype bigger markets do

[@KentW-dk7op]

Jokic runs things on the floor as well or better than anyone ever. it's like having Magic playing center. that alone puts him way up there all time. on top of that when he wants to score he's a clear mismatch for defensive player of the year guys like AD and Gobert. they can't stop him. I've never seen anyone like him

[@MrBimirud]

1 simple answer to Rich's opening questions: There's no money in it.

[@jmagley2]

The narrative Jokic hated basketball needs to end. It's si tiring hearing this all the time when it's clearly not the case

[@legman1476]

"It’s Time to Start Treating the Nuggets Like the Defending Champs They Are." The NBA is, by not suspending Murray for his tantrum(s).

[@calebsmith6118]

Jokic is currently the best player in the world, and it’s pretty clear now that ants the guy who will take that title from him in the next few years. That’s what makes this series so enjoyable

[@JohnSmith-nj4zq]

Gordan takes after their leader Joker. The same can be said of the Lakers players take after their lake of leader Lebron.

[@jimi99colorado]

The Denver Dangerfields

[@danielgreathouse2080]

Sadly most if not all sports talk is nothing but takes. And everyone is trying to smash down harder than the patron before them. Leads to less facts and all opinions.

[@user-ge8ll9bc9c]

I love when people piss Murray off he plays better when people hate on him

[@Justme-jq2np]

This narrative that Jokic doesn't want to play basketball is old and tired. Let it go

[@KClouisville]

Yep. They either don't realize or don't want to say that the thing Jokic has an issue with is not basketball, it's the bullshit spewed on sports shows and all that surrounds it. I think he rightfully sees U.S. sports media as the dumpster fire it is....and that makes some of them hating him anymore.

[@rl-cx6kf]

I mean, I think a lot of people have been treating them like champs (they just happen to not be members of the media) It seems like everyone in print and on air got amnesia and didn't realize that you don't with a championship without having a bit of resiliency. Their entire starting five returned from a championship year - what were people missing?

[@deselmsgroup]

How about just start respecting the Nuggets?

[@JeremyJrock]

TPUPS HAVE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE.

[@tripslikstar]

That stat is crazy!!!!

[@mrvhz7]

Dude was -30 in game 3 😂

[@Chris-bw9bq]

I love Ant his perspective is so refreshing with all these egotistical "super stars" these days.

[@pacof4558]

Great show. Anthony Edwards shows he's willing to do something Jordan wasn't = say ignorant illogical things. He's ready to play the next day but not so much if it's a longer amount of time between games? That's LeBron-style excuses vs just being honest. Just being honest is a willingness to acknowledge his enemy's accomplishment. As much as I never (ever) wanted to see Jordan win back in the day, he was honest and respected his enemy's accomplishments - it seemed. Isaiah Thomas might say otherwise. Ants excuses show a fear of rejection which equals weakness. If he can overcome that then everyone around him gets better.

[@natureredux1957]

The moment I noticed the Huge difference in Down time between Games 2 and Games 3, I pretty much knew there was more then a good chance the T-Wolves wouldn't continue their Dominance. What I didn't expect is for them to Turn Tail and RUN, at Home. Plus please take away that Joke of a Award, Defensive Player of the Year.

[@arturobugarin3125]

Rudy Gobert deserves the DPOY award. Let's give credit where it'd due!

[@insertlastname]

So he was playing when jokic and Murray were sitting.

[@mosshark]

"Don't bet against the fat boy." - Nikola Grukic

[@HouseParty13]

Everything in Denver is 5280 5280 this 5280 that

[@xiongfong22]

The Nuggets finnaly realized they aren't playing the Lakers for the Western Con Finals. Twolves are real and arent gonna roll over just yet either. I say winner of this game goes to win the chip

[@Toracubed1]

Rich ain't no bootlicker and is why he isn't on espn.

[@chrism6880]

5:08 when did the nuggets sign B. Griner?

[@theSAWthatBONES]

I learned this in first or second grade - FIVE went to a party, TWO ATE NOTHING - 5,280 * shrug emoji*

[@dannyzef3094]

The NBA media doesn't care about small markets unless they're the absolute best team in the league or have a super star. Unless they have that, they will get next to no attention.

[@HumanBeanbag]

Anthony Edwards seems a little light in the Adidas.

[@JayCity10]

No he's legit. I still have the Nuggets winning though.

[@trecaesar9820]

That performance of the year

[@mirandap.l.8424]

Denver is a sports town... get over it 😂

[@mtadams2009]

Let’s be honest Denver played like crap the first two games and the Wolf’s played like a complete team. The last two games AE is the only one who has shown up for the Wolfs. If Minnesota plays as a team they have a very good chance of winning this. That is a big what if though.

[@wadehenderson1081]

Denver is firing on all cylinders. When they hit that level. No one is beating them. Not even Muhammad Ali

[@nickh2935]

New York? Lol

[@MrCleonwarrior]

t-wolves in 7

[@mazengwe28]

Thank you Rich Eisen. I am so tired of the entire sports media making series prognostications after every game instead of taking it one game at a time. It's terrible analysis.

[@DaveLogan-mp1or]

That was Ant and TWolves best shot and they Lost..Fight is there but it doesn't matter.Nuggets won't lose another Home Game in this Series.. IMO

[@barry.anderberg]

Wolves in 7