Rich Eisen & Patrick Renna Debate If Brees & Elway Belong on NFL’s QB Mount Rushmore

‘The Sandlot’ star Patrick Renna joins Rich Eisen in-studio to debate if Drew Brees and John Elway belong on the NFL’s Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks.
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[@j.d.6915]

Kurt Warner had a great second act, he dragged the Cards to a few minutes within a SB win.

[@mariosoriano4650]

Is that Ham from the sandlot? YOU ARE KILLING ME SMALLS !!!

[@BellBivDeveau]

Like you can’t tell?! He looks exactly the same but bigger.

[@jjkcharlie]

You're killin me Smalls!

[@tarantinoish]

Not even a single mention of Marino yet names like Aikman are getting thrown up. Oh the humanity.

[@charleshessproductions]

yup. same with rodgers

[@limitedbom2206]

Teams pretty much live and die by a qb. Only one Super Bowl appearance and no ring is not something you can put in the conversation. Hate to say it but that’s the truth. Especially when your team literally builds the entire offense around you

[@jonq8714]

Steve Young was better than Marino and no one mentions him.

[@limitedbom2206]

​@@jonq8714 Not sure if I would go that far, but Steve Young was a very good player too. Only problem is he walked into a juggernaut team that was the 49ers, and for the first few years of his career, there wasn't even free-agency that we know today, so that juggernaut was going to stay a juggernaut unless people got hurt.

[@timothywayne3813]

What Brees accomplished in New Orleans was incredible and he would have more Super Bowl wins except for some heartbreaker playoff loses. He not only lifted a downtrodden team, he helped revive and entire city. I saw him play in San Diego and I always thought he was accurate, but my God! He completed 75% of his passes one year. The Bolt who got away.

[@mcleanse1382]

If QB Rating was factored in then Elway wouldn't even come close, 94th all-time. Still a legend but not top 4 in my opinion.

[@zeke5989]

Yeah, Elway gets a lot of credit for carrying bad teams to the SB and he did finally win a ship and went back to back with a second. But his numbers were pretty bad when compared to his peers. Marino, Favre and Young all had better numbers than him.

[@ralphpal]

​@zeke5989 how many got Into superbowl? Young yes but he had an all pro team

[@chicagodude8888]

@@ralphpalThe late 90’s broncos epitomized an all pro team. Elways backup went 4-0 in 98. Lol

[@ralphpal]

@@chicagodude8888 Elway was a very good teacher

[@mcleanse1382]

@@zeke5989 no question, 3 Super Bowls in 4 years with not a lot of household names around him makes him a hall of famer.

[@allanallan2171]

You play ball like. GUUURL!

[@krashmania]

Lmao TJ was clearly just being a troll with that at the end, pretty funny

[@paulkoconnell]

Brady, Montana, Manning, Marino (to be replaced by Mahomes) Without the SB, Marino doesn’t have the same winning legacy as the rest even though his stats at the time were nuts

[@obarbeito]

Agreed

[@mtndude96]

Step one to being a legendary QB - have your last name start with M

[@paulkoconnell]

@@mtndude96 was thinking the same thing! Can’t wait for the Colt McCoy renaissance

[@charleshessproductions]

​@@paulkoconnelland hingle mccringleberry

[@laurelhill3505]

Recency bias is so bad. No Unitas (practically invented the modern NFL QB) Marino (this dude would have 3490490239023 yards and 4993 tds in today's NFL) (Ah, Unitas came up later! Great!)

[@mattwallace2221]

Bart Starr 5 championships

[@cameronzwicke5761]

Mt Rushmore Brady, Montana, Unitas, Manning

[@garypickul2648]

Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes. Brees, Marino, Elway are between 5th and 10th. But how could you go wrong with any of them?

[@williamgullett5911]

I will tell you how you could go wrong with Marino. As a 50 yr Dolphin fan I loved Marino. Then…with each passing season it same more and more obvious Marino was more concerned with his stats over winning. First, those Dolphins teams had a good enough defense to make the SB. People try to say it was horrible…it wasn’t. The Dolphins also failed in years in which all the power was in the NFC. Those AFC teams Miami couldn’t get by…while having Shula(who is also overrated) we’re getting beat by 40 points in the SB. Okay…the next part is when it was obvious Marino was just a stats guy. Jimmy Johnson, one of the best coaches ever IMO was hired by Miami. We were all excited. Johnson was going to turn them around…..until Marino refused to listen to Johnson. Johnson was trying to change the team to more of a run team….and Marino wouldn’t go along with it. Johnson put up with it for a couple seasons and then said screw it and went back to the Florida Keys where he lived. There is other stuff Marino pulled.

[@jonq8714]

Steve Young is better than Brees and Marino.

[@BAM5636]

Brees doesn't belong. Good, sure but a lower win percentage than many others. He also loved padding his stats while going 9-7 and missing the playoffs. One SB and it came with controversy to say the least. Never went back.

[@jazzroyale7260]

Rodgers is better than Brees, Marino & Elway…

[@williamgullett5911]

@@jazzroyale7260 I would rank Rodgers over those 3

[@Heezydoesit167]

Kurt Warner had a better second act and third act

[@BebopJones]

THE GREAT BAMBINO!!

[@maximilianbecker773]

Wait a second: titles or skill? But I am Foreign so I am confused. The old ones do not count: in GB or Pittsburg? Kelly made four Super Balls in a row - no ring. Marino has „the arm“ - no ring. … again T or S? Joe got 4-0: The Goat! Steve got the best Career Rating: Backup-Goat. The one from Michigan has the most titles: Number-Goat. and a empty spot for a random Guest-Goat. I have spoken and this is the way

[@jonq8714]

I like this list. Gives proper respect to the true GOAT, Joe Montana, as well as to Steve Young. Well done.

[@tcdahn7]

Larry from Big Green. The the Gute is the Goat!

[@paddle_shift]

Bart Starr 5 world titles in 8 years. Mic drop.

[@jonq8714]

Picks up the mic: True, but barely completed 55% of his passes and almost threw as many interceptions as touchdowns.

[@arkansaucev9310]

WHO DATTTTTT ⚜️ ⚜️ ⚜️ ⚜️ ⚜️

[@Jamal_Ginsberg]

It’s Brady, Peyton, Montana, Unitas

[@charleshessproductions]

No mention of Rodgers or Marino is... interesting. I enjoy these conversations tho.

[@jonq8714]

Well, neither can beat San Francisco in the playoffs...

[@mattwallace2221]

​@jonq8714 and they still haven't won a superbowl since 1994

[@jeromechopp354]

I can't take any QB Mount Rushmore seriously if it doesn't include Starr. Five NFL Championships, including back-to-back Super Bowls, and back-to-back Super Bowl MVPs.

[@timothywayne3813]

A good example of a QB with a great winning percentage in championships, but not eye-popping numbers so he's not mentioned with the likes of Brady and Manning.

[@jonq8714]

He barely completed 55% of his passes and almost threw as many interceptions as touchdowns.

[@michaellee258]

I'm glad Unitas was mentioned. But Tarkenton, Marino, Kelly and Moon should've been mentioned.

[@williamgullett5911]

All four of those guys didn’t win anything.

[@BellBivDeveau]

This wasn’t the Mount Rushmore of mediocrity

[@kodiak138]

So lets at least list all the criteria that should be factored in, Each one is not going to weigh the same but even if its worth anything when having this discussion even the slightest advantage might be the diff. We have in no particular order. Wins, winning percentage, TDs thrown, QB rating, TD to interception ratio, completion percentage, rushing TDs, MVPs, playoff appearances, playoff wins, playoff percentage, SB appearances, Superbowl wins, Superbowl MVPs, pro bowl selections, 4th Q comebacks, winning seasons, yards thrown, interceptions thrown, yards per attempt, seasonal records set (if any) and finally the eye test in watching said QB. I am sure I missed a bunch but especially when you are getting to top 10s all-time and it is neck and neck everything has to be considered. It def is a fun debate to have.

[@Mindgauge]

My own bias Mount Rushmore. Give me Brady , Payton , Montana, Aikman , and at #5 Elway or marino

[@richardwhite6062]

Aikman lol

[@Mindgauge]

@@richardwhite6062 notice I said BIAS at least he’s a winner a 3x winner . It’s not like he’s some slouch.

[@richardwhite6062]

@@Mindgauge Wins are not a qb stat

[@bryanjones4444]

John Elway is not even close. He rates as the 20th greatest quarterback to start a career after 1946. Drew Brees had to carry defenses for nearly all of his career. He is the 3rd greatest quarterback of all time according to the "Real GOAT" scoring system which is by far the most comprehensive ever created. The Mount Rushmore is actually Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Fran Tarkenton not in that order. And I can prove it!!

[@charleshessproductions]

Oooookaayyy then. I'm actually interested in hearing this lol.

[@bryanjones4444]

@@charleshessproductions If you are actually interested in learning about the 'real goat' scoring system i would be glad to explain it.

[@aljohntabion2751]

I hate doin Rushmores because it’s limited to 4.. you can’t just have 4

[@brettwilson6459]

No Peyton Manning? A Mount Rushmore QB with an amazing final chapter? Cmon

[@ChrisPierreBacon]

Peyton Manning would be considered the GOAT if Tom Brady didn't exist. 5 MVPs already, and retired with the most career passing yards, passing TDs, single season passing yards and TDs, and all kinds of other records. He was 2/4 in super bowls, but I believe, if not for Tom Brady and the 03 and 04 Patriots, Manning could have won 2 more, making him 4/6. Add 2 more rings to his resume, and Manning is the GOAT.

[@myplantswearpants1030]

I mean, Manning’s championship year with the Broncos was not pretty. Obviously he lit it up the year before though.

[@daverichards9141]

Starr, Montana, Aikman and that fella who played for the pats, you know, what's his name.

[@richardwhite6062]

Aikman was bootycheeks

[@jazzroyale7260]

Brady, Montana, Mahomes, Unitas, Rodgers…

[@michaelmccourt4992]

You know who NEVER gets mentioned as a "Mount Rushmore QB"? OTTO GRAHAM

[@bigperm7712]

Who's seen him play?

[@jonq8714]

You know who never gets mentioned? Norb Sacksteder.

[@BT-sc6lu]

Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning.

[@Doc_Holiday.]

Colossus of Clout! The Great Bambino!

[@williamgullett5911]

The only locks are Brady and Montana. The rest is open for debate

[@waltermitty4052]

Starr won 5 titles

[@ryaj2356]

Top 4? Tb12, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, John elway. In terms of playing the position and weren’t surrounded by 7 other hall of famers, those guys did it. Those players made their teams better every year they were on the team. Only time will tell with mahomes but mahomes is the face and the nfl wants them to win and win more.

[@porterhouse0]

The fact that Marino was never mentioned is a travesty. Regardless of the no ring argument. Would you name the RB Mount Rushmore without Sanders? No you wouldn’t. Would you name the WR Rushmore without Moss? No. Do better guys lmao I’m teasing because I love this show but wooooooow

[@Fried_Bananas]

Hate the argument against Elway making it to Super Bowls in the late 80's with Broncos teams that had no business being there without him. Using that as a point against an athlete is well beyond me.

[@The_king567]

Lies Dan Reves was his head coach. Oh, we got an obliterated in them Super Bowl.

[@REE_III]

Mt R: Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning

[@krashmania]

Unitas over elway without a second of hesitation.

[@AtticusZhivago]

Brady, Marino, Manning, Unitas

[@BT-sc6lu]

Wow, this list is garbage haha

[@jorgem.1564]

Top three I agree with. 4? That's tough man. Favre, Brees, Elway, Young, Rothlesberger, Eli...heck even ringless Marino...I can't decide who is 4th out of those guys.

[@charleshessproductions]

Spoiler alert, it's not eli lol. Also have you heard of a guy named aaron who just moved to new york.

[@jorgem.1564]

@@charleshessproductions I forgot Rodgers. Good point.

[@ryan3390]

Rodgers defiently deserves honorable mentions of the top QBs but Brees is above him for sure.

[@bigperm7712]

Don't worry.. in a few years Mahomes will end this debate

[@johnpittsii7524]

Ham❤

[@louisagrella6904]

Dan Marino

[@quintonwilson3127]

Elway

[@doncheechako8084]

Elway yes, Brees no. Elway was what they call today a generational talent, Brees even the Manning bros are not no matter what stats say.

[@tomstreet2859]

Jeff George was a generational talent...and even Jamarcus Russell. I'm not saying they had great careers but they both had cannons for arms. Stats measure what players actually do.

[@realricky__]

Elway got carried to 2 Super Bowl wins by a hall of fame RB (Terrell Davis) and Brees got stuck with the worst defenses of all time lmaooo

[@The_king567]

Elway was 2-3 in super bowls

[@Stephen-to7jx]

A few Celtics went to 10 or more championships and they won more than 4

[@jimmesc]

Not Brees. NO WAY!

[@pch0014]

Peyton and drew are not in the Rushmore

[@bltejano]

Aikman had not Johnson got fired

[@davidmitchell6873]

He's not even the best quarterback that played for the Cowboys. Roger Staubach was.

[@kdbmore]

Rich Eisen is Cool. Why can't we all act like him.

[@user-qc3oe5di7x]

#1 Brady , #2 Bart Starr #3 Joe Montana # 4 Dan Marino because he changed what a QB was supposed to be , and they've never gone back..#5 tie , Johnny Unitus and Earl Moral , #7 Terry Bradshaw , #8 Roger Staubach , #9 George Blanda , #10 Patrick Mahomme

[@stephenyoung2742]

Mount Rushmore has presidents who were elected twice! They started the project in 1927! That's why no FDR! Winning a Superbowl just like winning a election for President! Goes by how many Superbowl rings you have! Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman who will be the first one replaced by anyone with 3 or 4 wins! Now a days we have better training and doctors but you have more games and more playoff teams! Plus thursday games 2006 when they started and playing outside the USA! So much for player safety! Thanksgiving games are mostly worthless! Most games not even close!

[@mattgoldberg4335]

SB Era only: Brady, Rodgers, Elway, Montana. P-Manning and Marino close, and I'm sure Mahomes will get there.

[@jonq8714]

Manning > Young > Brees > Rodgers.

[@BellBivDeveau]

Tom Brady had TWO HOF careers.

[@jonq8714]

And both of them he owes opposing teams fucking up and the refs bailing him out.

[@realricky__]

He also played for a team that got caught and punished for cheating 3 different times

[@jawndough6265]

Montana, Marino, Cunningham, Vick, Brady... all changed the game

[@DannyJuke]

love it

[@johndough-jr6od]

​@@DannyJuke how did Vick changed the game?

[@GynJitsuRonin]

Namath, Montana, Manning, Brady Done.. Namath could be considered for his recognizabilaty, plus winning first serious underdog SB championship & his personality. I'd be fine seeing either Starr or Johnny U reppin instead tho. They'd make sense. Honorable mentions... Marino, Brees, Rogers, Favre, (Warner for inspiration) Matt Hasslebeck......!😊

[@BuffaloveBills]

Was it a rumor or fact that Elway had an advantage in the high altitude every season? I’d put up Jim Kelly

[@alexanderschneider5020]

1. Brady 2. Elway 3. Montana 4. Mahomes. That’s the Mount Rushmore. Non debatable.

[@cameronzwicke5761]

No way Elway is better he lost to Montana.

[@jogendron6320]

Switch them and put Montana with Denver, see what happens.

[@Buzzdog1971]

Manning had a much better 2nd act than Brees.

[@pretzelhunt]

Starr, Manning, Montana, -Mahomes- Edit: Marino

[@michaelpalermo4047]

Johnny Unitas 1rst ... AKa George Washington...

[@patricklavelle4615]

Don't trust Eisen this fool thinks A league of their own is in the same league as Sandlot. A top 5 best baseball movie.

[@coolchris478]

Elway yes not Brees

[@fatcizzle]

Neither one is legendary. Tbey were great qbs. Won a super bowl that is about it.

[@realricky__]

Brees is the most accurate QB of all time and if he got blessed with 10 hall of famers and a top 10 defense 19 times like Brady he’d have 10 rings 😂😂😂😂

[@StuartMcNair-kk9nb]

Wrong the most accurate QB of all time is Steve Young

[@ryanlinton2663]

Not counting SB Brees percentages are higher than almost anyone, ever😊

[@zeke5989]

lol @ Drew Breese. He was never the best of his era. Hell, not even second best. So that automatically counts him out. Honestly, I agree with the guy who said he put Mahomes in; just to be ahead of the curve. All he has to do is win another SB and league MVP and it's easily him at the 4th spot.

[@bigperm7712]

Rich gannon

[@Newbobdole]

Equivalent QB second act: FRAN TARKENTON

[@mRakmYaer]

These are really bad Mt Rushmores

[@austinshannon4197]

OBVIOSULY. John elway is the best nfl player in history and drew Brees is the second best qb in nfl history and a top 5 overall player.

[@BAM5636]

Haha. No

[@tsmguxxi6559]

Brees is not close , can end that conversation off rip, brees wasn’t top 5 in his own era

[@blank-vj1mc]

This is an utterly retarded take. Manning Brees Brady. Who else even gets close to cracking the top 3?

[@stevenroyer8731]

His era lasted twice as long as most QBs careers lol he's statistically top 3 all time lol

[@bigperm7712]

​@@stevenroyer8731he put up a lot of garbage time stats.. js

[@stevenroyer8731]

@@bigperm7712 not really. His teams were usually top 5 to 8 in the league and winning games so there was never a lot of garbage time. He had more situations where they ran the ball at the end of games to kill clock than throwing like crazy to catch up. He got those numbers bec he was an elite QB who played for a really long time consistently

[@BAM5636]

@stevenroyer8731 Yeah, thats not accurate. Brees missed the playoffs a lot. He did stat pad a lot as well. I would put Favre ahead of him for sure. Brees and Rivers are pretty much the same QB. One just won 1 SB.

[@MichaelLJETS]

SMORES URE KILLING SMALLS. much love pat..

[@richardwhite6062]

Elway was not a good QB.

[@josephkelley8634]

Brees was in one, I repeat, one SB. Elway five.

[@realricky__]

Elway got carried to 2 Super Bowl wins by a hall of fame RB (Terrell Davis) and Brees got stuck with the worst defenses of all time lmaooo

[@mytwosense9135]

Brees!? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Fucking hell.

[@httr94]

Brees is not top 4

[@williampence4528]

Superbowls isn't everything or numbers it's all around even cast too like elway had no one to throw to in his first 3 superbowls Joe had rice almost the whole time so it's just all whatever.

[@zein9227]

I wish NFL Films would recreate their old rankings shows and make a new Top 10 QBs of all time.

[@BentleyVB]

Dan Marino