Rich Eisen: What to Make of the New York Giants on ‘Hard Knocks’ So Far | The Rich Eisen Show

Rich Eisen weighs in on the New York Giants’ episodes of HBO’s offseason ‘Hard Knocks’ series.
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[@marvinshenk]

You know there's a heat wave when Rich goes short sleeves.

[@princesscaroline198]

Yea the strange casualness of it threw me off 😂

[@jerrybrown59]

"Reinvesting in the community" is a top-tier euphemism that myself and the boys will have to appropriate going forward.

[@wavnino1]

Yup, those who visit the house of dance should feel even better going through the doors knowing they're doing just that.

[@rawbrob1079]

The Giants under Dave Gettelman did everything wrong a GM can do. They spent a 2nd overall pick on a running back and then the following year they reached for a QB at 6th overall. Now the team is still paying for that mistake.

[@Snowboarder16]

So true brother

[@zombiepicnic9683]

Great to see Hard Knocks back. This looks like it's going to be the perfect lead into the Bears preseason.

[@jamesoncatlett6784]

Daniel Jones was drafted bc he was supposed to be a pro ready passer. Instead his best attribute has been his running, where he routinely trips on his own feet

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@jamesoncatlett6784 Once the league figured out a type of player, he either needs to adapt or he’s done. The Giants drafted Kaepernick 2.0, one read and he takes off. He’s done after this year when the contract allows the Giants to drop him.

[@jamesoncatlett6784]

@@CharlieTWilbury That’s horribly unfair to Kaep lol, Jones has none of his accomplishments

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@jamesoncatlett6784 Nonsense. Kaepernick was a decent QB, like Jones. He couldn’t read defenses and if you forced him to beat beat you with his arm, he couldn’t, like Jones. Kaepernick played on a great team (unlike Jones) and a great HC (unlike Jones) so I agree the teams accomplishments are far better than the current Giants, but let’s not completely lose all sense here. He wasn’t very good and once the league figured him out he was done, just as they have with Jones.

[@donnough2085]

​@@CharlieTWilburyKap made it to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship multiple times. He was a WAY better QB than Daniel Jones. Let's not do this..

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@donnough2085 I’m aware. I never said he didn’t. There is nothing to do, Football is a team game, one guy doesn’t take any team anywhere alone. Certainly some spectacular QBs can do that but we’re not talking about them. We’re talking about two decent, at best ‘good’ QBs. Sorry if don’t like the comparison, it isn’t personal.

[@DemarrcoSmith]

Giants had way more issues to fix than a running back. They made the right call.

[@dante6563]

yeah ok...

[@saint6563]

How was letting the best offensive player walk "the right call"? Plus you got nothing in return except making a rival better! LOL

[@johnsheehan004]

Did you see where the giants ranked in rushing last year? Everyone killing the giants for letting Saquon go. But they sucked with him. Both for Saquon and the giants this was needed.

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@saint6563 Someone could explain it to you but there seems little chance you'll understand the explanation.

[@gmen1055]

@@saint6563cause if you actually watch the games he doesn’t have anywhere close to the burst and speed he did his first few seasons. And in the modern passing nfl it doesnt make sense to pay a running back 13 million a year unless hes cmc.

[@drewpatten729]

Lets goooo I’ve missed this show so much

[@brandonsoto7225]

Forreal man. I couldn’t take it anymore

[@brianmoss9399]

“A house of dance.” Love it 😂😂😂😂

[@edwardseymour1096]

It sounds like the giants put up the smoke screen with jones to make sure they get the wr they wanted

[@R17759]

I think if they could have gotten Drake Maye they would have.

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@R17759 I agree.

[@brianguarnieri491]

@@R17759I think both are true; they were willing to pay a certain amount of draft capital for Maye but not what ended up being needed. They also ensured that a 3rd QB was taken before them and it guaranteed they got one of the top 3 receivers.

[@kenyattaclay7666]

MHJ was ALWAYS going to go #4 to the Cardinals & Harbaugh was NEVER not going to take Alt at #5 so if the Giants had always been content with taking a receiver there was NEVER a point where they wouldn’t have had their choice between Neighbors or Rome so there wasn’t any need for a “smokescreen” to get the receiver they wanted because he was going to be there no matter what.

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@kenyattaclay7666 That's plausible. I think Schoen wanted a QB and Daboll wanted a WR and if the Saints could have gotten Maye they would have done the deal and taken him. Once they realized they weren't going him, they went with Daboll's plan. I don't think they actually believe in Jones, I think they now are hoping that he can simply be a bridge to their franchise QB. Let's face it, at most maybe 20% of QBs a year are able to overcome their team's overall talent, 80% simply take the team as far as its talent will go.

[@icdat44]

Start at 1:36.....The beginning was brutal.

[@chrishunt9675]

Imho, Schoen is telling Daniel if you’re a 40 or 50 mill dollar QB, we shouldn’t have to hand it off 30 times a game. DJ has to prove he’s the guy this year. He now has the line and the Wr’s.

[@PlayGerri]

The line is a big question mark. They haven't even played a snap yet in pre season. So I wouldn't jump the "he has the line" But thr wr core is decent. Haven't seen much but the names are there

[@Zdub212]

He has the line and the WRs? The WR group is underwhelming. Their best weapon in theory is a rookie. Their OL is absolutely below average. Daniel Jones isn't the answer, but we can't act like he should succeed based on his supporting cast. He's not Brock Purdy in San Fran

[@paulmysliborski4832]

@@PlayGerri BINGO!! This line has proved nothing.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Why are we thinking that thebO-Line or the WR room is going to be above average. That being said, Jones will be lucky to be a backup for the next 10 years with an occasional start moving forward. This year will prove he ain't the guy...

[@bustacapp359]

@@Zdub212And there’s your difference between Iones and Purdy! Pusey had time to take more than 1 read before he had to tuck and run! Also, the WR’s and TE were elite! Put not just Purdy but any other QB behind the Giants OL and you get the same or very similar results! PERIOD!

[@CultureofExcellence24]

“I have no problem being wrong” as he having a real hard time saying he was wrong.

[@Tactify24]

I mean, I think anyone with a brain realizes the Giants will be moving on from DJ after this year. Think they have an out after this year

[@CultureofExcellence24]

@@Tactify24 We will see. I Highly doubt they will unless the team around him collapses like last year where the backups couldn’t stay upright neither with the Pro Bowler LT that DJ lost in the first drive of the first game.

[@kokoken1]

To me the issue is Rich saying, "I don't deal in rumors" because he prides himself in the two damned fine degrees in journalism that he has. And then he turns around and does a top five "things I heard at the Combine." I'm a retired sports editor. One of my stops was Newsday on Long Island, where we didn't report rumors; we checked them out. But that was 36 years ago, and the standards bar seems to be lower now. It's all about being first.

[@Tactify24]

@@kokoken1 rich wasn't reporting anything as fact. "What I'm hearing" means literally that. Some of what he will hear is BS smokescreen rumors. Others are probably true. It's not like rich is going out there tweeting or writing an article as a fact like others do

[@DaneOrschlovsky]

You're right 💯

[@killnick88]

I've been watching hard knocks NYG. I like what the franchise is doing, I'm not a Giants fan.

[@thuanchau7042]

as a long time giants fan - the giants did the right thing not resigning SB because they not anywhere close to be competitive and they need to focus on the o-line and other area. plus tanking next year might be the best thing.

[@raphaelrau1728]

The New York Football Giants is a club owned and run by the Mara family for 100 years. John Mara is a hands on owner! He likes Daniel Jones. The interview where Mara said he felt bad they had let Jones down is very telling moving forward! News flash to the rest of the NFL community. Jones is injury prone. He’s a bad neck injury away from doing an Andrew Luck and retiring and sadly DJ is no Andrew Luck! It’s not his talent that’s in question going into next years draft it’s whether DJ is there if he’s had another neck injury!

[@jllllllll9639]

It’s def the talent lmao

[@johnfarr2738]

I think if Barkley lights it up in Philly and Johnes Sh*t’s the bed in NY then the Giants GM will be out of a job come January.

[@caxvii]

And we’ll return to being a laughing stock of the league.

[@mistertaz94]

If Philly winds up getting two GMs fired in the span of 3 years it'd be funny as hell.

[@razkable]

We needed a hard knocks on the 2017 browns

[@bobbynesbitt1863]

Love this podcast

[@2112fan2]

After watching Belichick’s A Football Life episode, I feel like the Giants are missing out on an opportunity to reunite with Belichick after all the years he spent there and let him have a shot at it for three years

[@bobbyackerson4125]

So just can everybody currently there for a guy that couldn't get anything done for a franchise after Brady left because he used to be a DC of the team years ago. Oh ok lmao😂

[@vernonbandy2597]

T​@@bobbyackerson4125😂😂😂 8 rings on those fingers, but only because of the one guy. People who try and discredit Bill really are pathetic

[@trent_k]

@@bobbyackerson4125Andy Reid wore out his welcome in Philly before landing in KC. Obviously Mahomes had great deal to do with his success, but my point is sometimes great coaches can benefit from a change in scenery

[@bobbyackerson4125]

@@trent_k just because some so called fans got sentimental ties to a certain coach doesn't mean he's entitled to land anywhere he wants,hence the reason why he's unemployed. Only 1 team even brought him in for a interview and that was Atlanta,NOT 1 OTHER TEAM

[@trent_k]

@@bobbyackerson4125 You are missing my point. I didn't think Andy Reid was entitled to pick any job he wanted when he left the Eagles, but looking back, he obviously deserved another shot. I am also not guaranteeing Bill will have success elsewhere, I am just saying that sometimes it helps to have a fresh start.

[@BarbaraONeill-if2zd]

You mean Jalen Hurt that had 20 turnovers last year with a loaded team. Really Rich!

[@BrettM765]

Jones has a comeback season. Giants on real Hard Knocks next year. Genius.

[@fredprincipe6418]

i love how rich highlights an out of context quote about 40 mil handing to 12 mil. when he also said he needed an offensive line, and several other key positions and could only afford to pay a max of 7 mil for a rb. then even he said he wasnt going to disrespect saquon with that offer lmao

[@Redd_Fawkes]

You're 2 degrees from being a Doctor. Masters first, then your PhD.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

At first I thought he was thinking that 3 Batchelor degrees equals a doctorate. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way🤣 He’s got another 4-5 years of study (plus a dissertation) if he wants to be called doctor

[@CynthiaGeorgette]

I don’t agree Saquon should have been paid. There were too many holes to fill. They have to build a team…not build the team around a running back. That is not how great teams are built. Incidentally Saquon is injury prone.

[@vincentbrady4263]

she is very smooth communicator and represents Joe well

[@CharlieTWilbury]

Rich you should have no problem being wrong about this, you often are. No one is listening to you for insight, we are here to be entertained. I think the Giants are blowing smoke with Jones, they know they're stuck with him as a bridge QB through at least next year, while they rebuild the units that should have been rebuilt years ago. I think they would have loved to have gotten Maye but NE was too smart (or wanted way too much) for him. I think they let Barkley walk because they knew they're a hell of a lot more than a RB away from being a contender. A top salaried RB is great for a solid team like the Eagles, that's a luxury the Giants can't afford, they're not a solid team yet. Jones will likely be gone after this year when he proves he's not the man.

[@JQUE94]

Same situation in Vegas with Jacobs. To much money to give to a RB that while productive is often hurt, plus to many holes to fill and spend money on. No point in having a high salary RB behind a average to lackluster OLine.

[@jamesdiaz7425]

I’m sorry but what competent GM would give a camera crew this much access into their day to day

[@russelljackson8153]

Sam Darnold I think will turn out to be a good signing. Because with that coaching staff, he's got a better than average chance of having a Baker Mayfield-like resurgence.

[@trey1738]

People bashing the Giants now, we'll see how it plays out during the season 😂

[@donh5856]

They suck.

[@trey1738]

@@donh5856 Thanks. Based on the thousands of other comments, I couldn't tell!

[@kevinstewart8054]

6-7 games max. The giants are a laughing stock.

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

Also surprised me just how much Mara really wanted Saquon.

[@bourbontrail565]

Giants Fans, don’t get your hopes up for S. Sanders next draft. D. Sanders has stated that his son will not go to any cold weather team.

[@MoreNYGPlease]

not sure I want him.

[@Fleetwood.83]

I'm a true Giants fan and Deon is one of the greatest of all time but I don't want his son... I'm a black man and it might be cruel but they not winning... Eagles had the better team in the Superbowl and they lost, Wilson won with the Seahawks everyone says it's the defense that done it... All these black QBs coming in like Lamar Jackson, Arizona guy, hurts, they just getting money and I ain't mad @ them, can't forget Prescott... These men not winning, I truly hope they don't draft him...

[@jamescantatore]

Yet his son plays in Colorado.

[@Tinkerbellprincess2]

Did I miss it or did Khyree Jackson not get mentioned at all on Monday?

[@roger7205]

If we have even an average offensive line DJ could potentially win combeback player of the year.

[@Smackcity00]

How about Drew lock same year drafted as Jones rushed by broncos then traded to seahawks then covid drama now Giants he been soaking up game patiently in the cuts being a good company man for the NFL !

[@BrianJohnson-du6pj]

Giants should of paid Saquon and waited on paying Daniel Jones.

[@BrettM765]

I'm back Rich. Go DJ.

[@JQUE94]

Vegas had the same situation with Jacobs. Even though he is productive and top 10 at his position, he's also hurt often and has a lot of miles on those legs. Now Vegas has way more weapons than Giants outside of RB, but there was no logic on both teams end to have a high salary RB with a non proven QB and average/unproven OLine. Both teams have to many important positions to spread money around on than jam ya pocket book up on a RB. Im a Raider fan so I got love and respect for JJ but I knew he wasnt coming back especially after this past performance and having Telesco giving out the contracts wisely now.

[@conrailhbgline]

Mesh with Hurts and Barkley with an option to through to either Brown, Smith, or Goedert.

[@jericho2281999]

Biggest gaffe in giants modern sports history was the Jones contract- completely separate from the argument about whether or not you should give RBs lucrative 2nd contracts

[@lonewolf5964]

What i took from episode 1,2 everyone wanted barkley to stay even Mara I feel like joe really didn’t want to make the deal happen an if this season goes bad Mara is gonna clean house his exact words was I’m gonna have a hard time sleeping without Barkley

[@Sillygator]

It’s funny that the giants said you shouldn’t have a 40 million dollar quarterback hand off to a 12 million dollar back but now a 50 million dollar quarterback is handing the ball to him.

[@Redd_Fawkes]

The Eagles don't have the holes on their roster that the Giants have.

[@edwardndriskoll]

What if the eagles o-line completely collapses this year?

[@JohnDoe-qu7gm]

Time will tell on Barkley. And that goes beyond next year.

[@LaceyLaws]

Shoen’s words about Barkely and how he relates to Jones is being misunderstood by every analyst I’ve heard so far. His point in saying you don’t have a guy you’re paying 40 mil hand a ball to a 27 year old back getting paid 12 mil is being misconstrued. His point is not that jones is better off without him. His point is that they still don’t know what Jones is, and in order to find out, they need to give him a better line and give him the opportunity to throw the ball more and prove himself through the passing game. They want to see if he can succeed as a pass first qb, without an elite RB. Handing the ball to saquon will not help the gm and coaches assess Jones. That’s the whole point of this year. To find out if Jones is the QB going forward or if they will Cut him after this season. They’re not going to win a superbowl this year also, so signing an expensive aging rb when you have the worst offensive line in the league is a bad plan. Saquon would greatly help Jones, but that’s not the point. He needs to succeed in the Daboll scheme passing game for them to want to knee him long term

[@Ststephennj68]

But what’s in front of Hurts has paled in comparison to what in front of the 40 m qb & 12 m rb rich which makes a difference

[@jamesstiepan8222]

The New York Giants? Wait a second, aren't they the team that is "done" with Daniel Jones? I think Eisen's most productive role is running sprints at the combine.

[@miguelcintron7048]

Imagine paying a guy $40M when you could have just exercised his 5th year option and the guy will be gone next year for sure and you don’t pay your RB who’s in your top 100 all time

[@jay3414]

But sign a RB that's 26 who will be 27 soon 😂😂😂 I love it, GO Birds 🦅🦅🦅😊

[@TheTrashman72]

Lets not act like its this huge inside look at the Giants, they had Editorial control and will make it look the best for them

[@mathewfullerton8577]

Hey Rich, you need to correct you entry on Wikipedia. It has you with a Masters in Journalism. You say it's a BS in Journalism.

[@bailscholone1965]

“Bro I have two degrees”

[@sparklerbc9898]

the reason why i think Jones is not a viable option that no one ever talks about- he gets hurt every single year. even at his absolute best, that isnt nearly good enough to deal with a QB who misses 1/4 of the season or more every single year.

[@DD-sr9xm]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Rich, but you’ll need to get the masters before you can qualify for your PhD project.

[@kickdeboll]

Honestly listening to this discussion just highlights how dysfunctional the Giants organization is and their record reflects it

[@benjamincarrasco1834]

Here we go again

[@OverLordthe1st]

Dr Sasuke Eisen!

[@edwardndriskoll]

I didn't know about the Giants not self editing footage shown. Now that changes everything. Will we catch tampering charges. Haha. Jokes but I am now more invested because the line has been drawn. Jones>Barkley? Really?

[@CalobAdamsInfamous913]

The fact they still believe in Daniel is frustrating but I believe it’s just for show, they have buyers remorse and this season is just to show that Daniel Jones isn’t it.

[@nplusk]

This isnt a weekly show like regular hard knocks. They had thousands of hours of footage and cut up exactly what the giants wanted. Dont try and say the giants “didnt cut anything out” 😂 every conversation on this version is dripping in PR more than any other

[@vernonbandy2597]

They have full editorial control, and any of this was surprising to people? They're trying to paint q picture, and there's nothing shocking in any of it.

[@VincentMartins-v3c]

You don’t pay the RB. How many examples do you need?

[@NAILSCARS]

Lol! hung up on Saquon's age (27). They signed Devin Singletary who come start of this years season will be 27 🤣

[@R17759]

Probably a lot cheaper I’m assuming

[@NAILSCARS]

@R17759 actually not by much. The first two seasons. Next season Singletary will have a bigger cap hit than Barkley.

[@CharlieTWilbury]

For 2.5x less money.....😂 $26 vs $9.5 million in guaranteed money.

[@CharlieTWilbury]

@@NAILSCARS Singletary's cap hit is $600k larger next year despite his guaranteed money being $16.5 million less. Of course Barkley's cap hit is then $2.6 million larger in 2026 and $19.3 million higher (Singletary's cap hit is 0) in 2027. So Barkley's cap hit is $21.3 million higher over the next three years, that actually is higher by much.

[@ry_guy_1906]

@@NAILSCARS Do the guaranteed money comparison

[@HotRod8475]

It's literally common sense... But the Giants all do the opposite of what should be done. I'm use to it at this point.

[@scruffd0g193]

Basically they are done with Jones. Didn’t want to reach for a QB at 6.

[@jjfordingpoursoulstudios8581]

My money is on Barkley torching the Giants for 100+ on the ground, and multiple TD's both times the Iggles play the lil Giants this season after the GM's verbal vomit on screen.

[@paulkelly8232]

My money is on him being injured, per usual.

[@karimahmed7850]

​@@paulkelly8232hater lol

[@spg4770]

@@karimahmed7850just a realist.

[@CharlieTWilbury]

I'm a Giants fan and a big Barkley fan. The Giants need far more than a RB, I'm glad they cut him loose without strings and let him go get his final bag. The Giants could have easily screwed him over by tagging him again, they didn't. I wish Barkley all the success in the world, obviously not when he plays the Giants but anyone that thinks Barkley running for big yards against the Giants is some kind of insult to the Giants is too casual a fan to bother with.

[@mattw5371]

With how much talent is on that roster I would hope so.

[@timflint25]

People forget the Giants let go of their veteran center Feliciano (who the 49ers signed for only $2 million 😅) and drafted a rookie center who ranked dead last at that position last year. So Danny lost the brains of his o-line over chump change and got stuck with a dumb rook. Plus that o-line has been the worst in the league forever, and they were all injured and calling in Pugh off the street to play left guard for half the year.

[@glennross78727]

Giants messed that decision up a year ago. They should have extended Barkley and they should have franchised Danny Dimes. Now they are stuck.

[@jackoneill1336]

Rich was also wayyyyy off about the Steelers not going after a QB this off season 🤣

[@ciaoamerica71]

The Giants are going to be a better team. They have talent at wr, their oline is better and their defense is improved. The real question for me is DJ. If he doesn't play well they will not win.

[@saint6563]

Imagine hiring a NFL GM that can't evaluate players, contracts & trades. WoW

[@CharlieTWilbury]

Mike Lombardi isn't working in the NFL anymore.

[@56GOAT]

Call me crazy, but I think it was silly to let two team elected captains leave in free agency without an attempt to get something in return. Regardless of how you feel about those players, they’re still talented enough to get some kind of compensation.

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

Seahawks Under looked team for this season Great additions Amazing coaches! Go HAWKS❕❕ 🏈

[@DennisVanDeventer]

The Giants offered Saquan two contracts which he rejected. He wanted out

[@junehanzawa5165]

Sounds to me like John Mara was saying, Mr. GM, "we lose Saquon, we better win or this is your last year." This is his last year. That's why the Giants didn't edit that out.

[@ash8004]

Except Schoen was the one with final say of what was aired.

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@ash8004 No GM has final say over an owner. Nevermind a brand new GM who has never done a thing deserving of being a GM. He was brought in to please the coach. If they can't win, they'll both be gone.

[@mihneatrancu2067]

I wonder how the Giants hurt Eisen. The level of pettiness has 2 degrees.

[@stocksgoupward5922]

Daniel Jone was bad last year because he didnt have Barkley . Barkely was out and with no line and no weapons he had no chance.

[@middianquietstorm8939]

How many seasons in a row have we had a Barkley injury, hell....how many seasons have we had a Barkley injury in general.

[@MoreNYGPlease]

if love something you must it go.

[@in2anthr]

Do you not want to pay a WR? When your best seasons dont even eclipse Rob Carpenter, how good are you really?

[@Krose8266]

I think I’m the only one who still thinks Jones can be that dude

[@pfunk1992]

I thought the bears was on hard knocks?

[@UweZimmer-i9r]

"Dr. Eisen" would be awesome.... go back to school an get it Rich!!!

[@spg4770]

I’m telling you right now Barkley hasnt been a pro bowl caliber runningback since his 2020 injury and his YPC and other efficiency stats back this up. Frankly it’s been hard to watch as a giants fan. But it was the right move to move on from him in my opinion. In a year or two he’ll be in ekelers position and he’s already had way too many injuries.

[@boscocfh]

They haven't done anything to address that oline.

[@roncotton7963]

What over neighbors? The guy, the Patriots got With the fact the giants are all in on jones no way x hay

[@Dr._Wan___PharmD]

The Giants' OL was so ineffective that Jones under-performed and the running game failed to thrive. I hope Saquon rushes more than 120 yards against NY twice this season.

[@kotaconnell919]

He won’t. He’ll be on IR by the time they play

[@beyallluv]

Kick rocks

[@dylantodd9574]

Philly is paying a $50 million QB to hand off to a $12 million back so…

[@Funky_Ghost]

Giants you say? Different year, same result.

[@briane596able]

Daniel Jones will not be a bonafide starter again in 2 years unless it’s in a veteran role

[@cooldude7821]

Always has & always will be a backup QB.

[@christopherbossard6538]

If you pay Barkley then you have the same crap O.line you did last year

[@warpeace8891]

Giants are competing with the Jets not the NFC East, for attention, not wins. Giants appear to have little confidence in their own competence. Just like the rest of us.

[@chiprenner]

Hiow many teams have Rich risen built?

[@dylantodd9574]

You’re only 1 degree shy of a PhD with a masters.

[@joshuahodge8804]

Barkley is going to destroy the Giants this year 😂

[@wesselby5585]

Ayo TJ 🗣️🗣️ the bots found the channel, clear em out! Send em back to the house of dance

[@johnny7600]

I can already tell the NYG season is going to be a total dumpster fire 🔥 I can’t wait ☺️

[@Pokenelloo]

They are delusional about jones it’s been half a decade he’s had plenty of chances

[@barbaracaroll]

The whole hard knocks thingy jumped the shark years ago it's a waste of time

[@postupmedia]

Why even Bring up Malik, clown media shooting blanks

[@joesanchez979]

Giants don't need hard knox😢