'Rich Men North Of Richmond' Singer Is Very Confused | The Kyle Kulinski Show

[@cambridgeanalytico9201]

“Working all day overtime hours for bullshit pay” I get the appeal

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Yeah, it's the sentiment conveyed in 50% of all country songs every written, and unoriginality and simplicity is what sells in that pitiful genre

[@cambridgeanalytico9201]

@@cosmosofinfinity Harsh. Don’t get me wrong I’m not a country fan either but sheesh no need to shit on people who like it 😂😅

[@pwilliam255]

Join a union. Our overtime is time and a half. Double time on sundays and holidays. (Days off are no pay though)

[@drexlspivey3047]

​@@pwilliam255I love OT. Only time I'm paid what I feel I'm worth.

[@john_hunter_]

@@cosmosofinfinity I'm a fan of country music & they mostly talk about driving American cars & being a cowboy. I rarely hear them talk about low wages.

[@johnnylebay2059]

This is the most reasonable and polite hero the Conservatives have had in a while... sure he knows nothing about politics but that is still better than aggressively refusing simple facts..

[@Bryan-ig2zp]

Hero? They despise him now. It's hilarious.

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

sure okay, but low bar

[@robertmiller32]

He pointed out a fact that is how you get shunned on the right@@Bryan-ig2zp

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

@@Bryan-ig2zp man doesn't partake in their aggressive hatred of the rest of the country and all of a sudden he's a traitor, what a clown movement

[@lukeboss534]

Johnny Legay u loco me amigoooo

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

It was hilarious when he said "diversity is our strength " and the magats lost it online 😂 right after Kid Rock was caught drinking Bud Light 😂😂😂

[@spicymemes7458]

Kid Rock is a real hypocrite. Shoots bud light cans for the camera, but still sells it at his bar. Fuck him. Oliver Anthony though is genuinely believable and I think people need to stop writing him off when he could be a potential ally.

[@mrsatan2229]

I will never understand why someone so rich would ever even drink such shitty beer..

[@tonytooshort]

Seriously 😂🤣🤣🤣 ughhh that was glorious

[@nathanielmayo9087]

Reminds of Toby Keith performing in Saudi Arabia

[@joedirt6073]

Do you really enjoy this new world order? I was a teenager in the 90s, it was so much better back then.

[@ThinkBitcoin]

Dude, it's a song... It's not his responsibility to come up with solutions to political issues.... Politicians should listen and be the ones with solutions

[@warriorwaitress7690]

I wouldn't say he's confused, just very "normie" with a populist bent. He's clarified what he meant in the song, and as a leftist I get it and I don't really care if he's not polished like a lot of artists with more commercial success. Agree or not, he certainly comes across as sincere.

[@december8538]

my thoughts as well. He comes across sincere.

[@1massboy]

I’m sorry but it comes off as sincerely ignorant. And he needs a dope slap to get them back to the reality of the situation. A lot of welfare recipients work for a fucking living. And those working class need to get in his fucking face and let him know this.

[@PeteGA]

Yes, his heart is in the right place. Most people’s are, their justified frustrations have just been misdirected so that the status quo can continue. We can’t build coalitions if we belittle these people and act like they are dumb. Kyle just comes off as some political junkie that holds regular people to the same standard that he would hold a politician running for President to.

[@Dru2037]

Blaming rich people's greed on the working poor is fake right wing populism.

[@TheEpochCompanion]

I think he comes off as sincere as well, but he's sincerely ignorant. He's blaming rich politicians while spreading their propaganda.

[@alexandermcdonald1117]

This guy has worked for 14.50 an hr. Lives on a block of land with a trailer in one of the poorest part of America. Check out his bio, the truth of his experience is what he see’s around him. I agree with your point that you should not blame the poor for being poor. He lives in a area of generational government dependency and where alot of people struggle.

[@manwhohasnoname6549]

I worked for 14 bucks an hour and I have a degree from a top 20 school in the country and I didn’t blame anyone for that

[@Whitexican1301]

"generational government dependency" is a problem caused by histories of racism, exclusion, and the brutality of a laissez-faire capitalist system. All of which this guy is probably ignorant about. His low ideological refinement and little knowledge of the real way policy and politics hurts Americans is definitely due to his lack of higher-education. This is a general U.S. problem, not really unique to him, and one of the many way political conservatives muddy the waters and take advantage of these people. Ted Cruz has a degree from Harvard: he knows what they don't.

[@jackbeagle8458]

@@manwhohasnoname6549Top schools in the United States cannot really compete with European universities, maybe you should become an autodidact and smarten up to the reality of our system?

[@Dopeintel]

@@manwhohasnoname6549 Not everyone is made for college, much like everyone cant be a doctor or lawyer. Those people still have a voice.

[@cjstats1514]

​@@manwhohasnoname6549If you have any college degree and work for 14/hr. That's is a you prob. You can get a job at Dunkin Donuts for 18/hr. I don't believe a word your saying. His overall theme of the song is accurate. It's about the government and rich pple not caring about the working man. What he had wrong was, it's not just rich pple north of Richmond. The southern rich are even worse. And he blamed poor pple is one statement.

[@MrCodyWarner]

"What does that mean policy wise?" Look, I get it. Around these circles we think everyone has to have their political ideology sharpened into a finely tuned instrument, but that just isn't how normal folks think. This dude just wrote a song about how he feels and put it online. That is about the long and short of it. And that's ok.

[@makaio0138]

Honestly i laughed when I heard “what’s your opinion on the right to a union?” 😭. It’s like the guys making a song talking about his experience, even the best political songs made don’t have policy advocations.

[@2727rogers]

Yes no problem with him posting a song but when it starts off that song protesting but ends up blaming the people the rich men north of Richmond are even hurting more than him it kind of lost the whole point of the first part.

[@kjhuang]

​@@2727rogersWhat's wrong with complaining about everybody? Why is the songwriter obligated to leave the poor alone if he complains about the rich? Maybe he really just does hate everybody and there's nothing self-contradictory about that.

[@2727rogers]

@@kjhuang Nothing wrong with that. The poor people are voting in the corrupt people the rich people pick for them to vote for. So yes the poor people are to blame for their troubles as well. The issue I have is the title of the song was The Rich Men North of Richmond. His heart is in the right place now if his mind would just follow his heart.

[@50043211]

He is a perfect example why Marx demanded that the workers educate them self.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

*themselves The working class are more "educated" than ever. 50% of them go to university. How's that working out for you? "Education" just leads to subsuming middle class values, as evidenced by Kyle and all the comments here. They have no clue what working class values are. The working class take pride in working for what they earn, they don't want handouts and hate people who do.

[@jeffm3283]

Why does Marx have to be brought into a discussion on whether or not education is good? Marx can kiss my ass

[@jimbob498]

I think you mean "reeducate"

[@scottlangley5596]

I would say people like him are the reason the bolsheviks, who thought that the working class were unable to see the tyranny under which they toiled because the owners had convinced them that their interests were one and the same, were able to come to power and subvert the revolution. It was apparent, in the peculiar circumstances in russia at that time, that workers could not advance their own interests and only knew how to live as near slaves to capital. They thought a party could take over the role of the owners and rule in the name of the workers until such time as industrialization had created a working class with consciousness of what to do and why.

[@FM-ln2sb]

No, Kyle is the exemplar of your statement. Kyle supports DNC/Jim Crow Joe.

[@deepinmind83]

The midwest/south poor, lower middle/middle class are all confused. I'm living here among them, and feel the collective sensation. If you don't look for the answers yourself, you will be following someone else's narrative, left or right. Like most people in the country, I was not taught this in my childhood. It took a mentor to teach me critical thinking as a young adult. Not everyone has this experience, and even I get sucked into emotional populist clickbait and antagonistic narratives all the time. It's becoming an uphill battle to stop reacting and be a proactive thinker. We are ALL confused, because the official answers are all becoming obvious bullshit. It's easy to get sucked into fear mongering and sensational plots. The truth is much more boring and insidious.

[@deadby15]

I agree that we should ban all overseas tax havens and also introduce way more progressive taxation to transfer wealth from the super-rich.

[@michaeld4861]

We also have to ban onshore tax havens too. Delaware is the new Cayman Islands. Corporations can even vote in some elections there.

[@grahamjl766]

@@michaeld4861 Was about to say this. Overseas tax havens are an old Hollywood trope at this point b/c Delaware exists. Why do you think hardly any Americans showed up on the Panama Papers?

[@Lybrel]

What are you talking about? No, you can't "ban" Ireland and Luxembourg. The super-rich don't even have income (or it's $1). And that $1 Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg makes can't be "transferred" to anything progressive like Social Security or Medicare because it's not payroll. You're just jealous of middle class millionaires and want them to suffer more.

[@denverarnold6210]

​@@michaeld4861i think we need a minimum tax. Make over $1m in profit? 25% tax, fuck your loopholes and deductibles.

[@JosepiGrubbing]

😂😂

[@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme]

"this song is about the elites keeping us down!" -proceeds to bash poor people on welfare

[@peterroberts4415]

You don't have to be an elitist to bas welfare. You can be middle class or even lower class and not want to prop up people who aren't improving themselves

[@Dru2037]

Exactly

[@woobiefuntime]

It was clear that the welfare people were the corporations .

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

No, that’s Kyle’s propagandized interpretation, and you’re parroting it. Are you saying there are no lazy/literal “obese” people taking advantage of the welfare state that is specifically designed to be taken advantage of (because they WANT people dependent on the system)? Are you saying it _isn’t_ ironic that we have so many people in the streets yet there’s a system in place that so many people take advantage of who DON’T need the extra support?

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

I know of low-income areas, the kind with a sultry amount of dilapidated buildings, where they like to drive Cadillacs and park their motorbikes on the sidewalk with a benchpress in the front yard… But yeah no one’s taking advantage of the welfare state that’s designed to be taken advantage of.

[@sirwill619]

We're closer to becoming poor than we are to becoming rich

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

An unforeseen bill won't get anyone rich. That's for sure. There's only one bill from homelessness for too many.

[@nothanks9503]

70-80% of Americans have less than 500$

[@Navy35]

What always got me confused about liberals and even turned me off to them completely is how they would say that they are against corporate greed of outsourcing jobs to foreign workers but be perfectly okay with that same corporate greed of companies bringing in foreign workers to replace American workers. They will defend lazy people who are milking the system ( yes there are some) but if their narrative is for open borders and unlimited immigration they will call Americans lazy and say that they don’t want to work. They want it both ways. Michael Moore is a perfect example of that. I hear liberals making those same arguments for hiring illegals for construction in Florida or things will cost so much more and hurt the average workers who will have to pay more. When they were arguing for fast food workers to make a livable wage they said that prices wouldn’t have to go up . They will also say that no one needs to own several properties but will make exceptions when it comes to politicians and celebrities who they like. Doesn’t matter what kind of carbon footprints they have as long as they share the same beliefs.

[@Cartman4wesome]

@@nothanks9503that fact really helped put in perspective how fcked up it is. I used to think I was poor then I realized I have way more than $500 saved up for emergencies. Then I learned “oh so we all broke, and we’re all getting screwed.”

[@fortheloveofnoise]

​@@nothanks9503I have less than $20 in the bank 😅 and owe medical debt and I am only 28.

[@robh2349]

He doesn’t say the government “shouldn’t” help. He says they aren’t going to. There’s a difference.

[@lurice0]

My mom instantly interpreted the fudge round line as food stamps are too weak, forcing poor to live off junk food

[@shanesmith4170]

He has stated that was the intent of the line.

[@2727rogers]

Yes it costs a lot more money to eat healthy and what you get for food on welfare doesn't make eating healthy possible.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Vegetables are cheaper than junk food.

[@VitalVampyr]

@@shanesmith4170 He definitely didn't write the line like he had any sympathy for the people he was talking about.

[@shanesmith4170]

@@VitalVampyr I write songs myself and what someone interprets from your lyrics can often be vastly different from what you intended them to mean. Just the nature of the beast as a song writer when you put you art out for public consumption that it will mean different things to different people and most of those will not be how you intended it to be taken. He has since clarified that was the intended interpretation when he wrote it.

[@jperry253]

Why aren't more people talking about the fact that this is obvious astroturfing

[@CyberNeo-Taoist]

Life isn't politics, politics is life For anyone that might be confused by this saying. One doesn't need to spend their entire life following politics but whether one likes it or not politics drives literally every single aspect of ones life. Ignorance to politics does not change, that knowledge to politics does not change that. The only thing that being educated on politics changes is the aim, knowing who's actually to blame and where to place ones ire, knowing where and to whom the airing of ones grievances should be directed towards. In my opinion, this mans ignorance to politics is what has lead to his clear aimless scattershot of frustration

[@Aard-Vark]

In my opinion, this everyman wrote a song about the troubles he's feeling, and it touched a nerve with a large swath of the population because it's raw and real and honest and unpolished.

[@CyberNeo-Taoist]

@@Aard-Vark exactly my point. Thanks for agreeing. Whether someone is educated in politics or not it doesn't change the fact that politics affects every single aspect of our lives. Being educated on politics or not doesn't change the fact that we are all in the same boat being fucked over by a system that's solely setup to benefit the rich and powerful. Being educated on politics just arms you with the knowledge you need so you can look up and focus your aim, your ire and your grievances at the correct people rather than aiming at the powerless as well as the powerful. His song is both attacking regular people as well as wording support for regular people because again, in my opinion, he's clearly just pulling scattershot. I'm a powerless poor person on social security. For anyone to believe that I'm as much of a drain on our system as the powerful wealthy people who skirt regulation, who don't pay their proper share of taxes, is absurd. The word powerful does not mean powerless and the word powerless does not mean powerful. You, me, this singer and every regular person in this country are all victims of the system

[@Aard-Vark]

@@CyberNeo-Taoist Sure thing.

[@MarcSpagnola-xv3ju]

I disagree. Economics is the main driver of our lives

[@CyberNeo-Taoist]

@@MarcSpagnola-xv3ju Correct and what makes economics function? Politics. Political policy and regulations drive economic health. The state of consumer economic health is affected by governmental policy and regulations

[@sarahtrickey5345]

the lyrics remind me of my own poetry when I was first beginning to write - all over the place with beautiful but vague prose that could be interpreted any number of ways. It takes time and a great deal of practice to hone the skill of coherency. He's obviously writing from what he's personally experienced, and his interpretation of the world around him. To me it seems a general indicator of what the average uninformed citizen grumbles about when they huddle around brews with their neighbors at the local pubs.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

He isn't a poet, he's a songwriter. Not the same craft at all. Try learning an instrument and writing a song and you'll see.

[@nnevelo]

You nailed it at the 12:00 mark. He's a normie. But he also strikes me as someone if you asked him direct questions on his thoughts, he would be to the Left on more issues, than not.

[@rustinusti]

Left on the issues but 'the vibe' of the Democratic Party pushes people like this away. Let's be honest, Democratic leadership comes off as milquetoast. Schumer and Pelosi have no populist game.

[@Rowsy91]

People dont vote on policy eventually you gotta understand that Its like when lefties thought it was rigged against bernie cause policy by policy the exit polls to them showed people musta voted for him since they agreed with him far more! no the image of bernie as a whole was extremist. very few are going policy by policy to see who they agree most with. They have specific issues they really care about and past that its who they like the most Guys from where Oliver is from i would guarantee you are seen as a dork if you are a liberal. guarantee it. Its a social thing, just liek some areas you are seen, just as unfairly as a racist if you are a republican.

[@rdean150]

Agreed

[@rdean150]

He says he's centrist because he is not choosing a partisan side. But it sounds like his position on actual issues would align with progressives

[@SS-xr4vc]

But without actually realizing it. Sometimes people are so anti-government, that they end up sort of standing for nothing. But if someone like Kyle had a calm, friendly open, informative slow-paced conversation with him about all this, he would end up waking up a little, and leaning left.

[@thehumanity0]

This song is basically summed up as full-time workers working "bullshit pay" on gov't assistance, wanting to take away gov't assistance from other people not working or not working as hard as they are. Even if Anthony meant something else by his lyrics, that's how it's being interpreted by A LOT of people, bashing welfare while simultaneously and ironically needing welfare themselves cause their job doesn't provide them a living wage.

[@ollehkacb]

Would need welfare if their money wasn't being taken to pay people who don't work and don't want to work.

[@thefruch7588]

@@ollehkacbwhat about those who can’t work?

[@historicalaccuracy15]

​@@ollehkacbYou're talking about their landlord, right?

[@thehumanity0]

@@ollehkacb Wouldn't need to take the little money they had if there was a fair distribution of wealth in this country and the people at the top with all the money paid their fair share. Maybe you should start looking at the corrupt elites at the top instead of penny pinching some single mom getting food stamps. Asshole.

[@ollehkacb]

@@thefruch7588 thats obviously different.

[@MurkN]

The guy who dyed his hair white, smokes a vape pen, and drinks Mountain Dew thinks other people are confused

[@joedirt6073]

😂

[@robertacosta6633]

No sir that title belongs to u

[@monarchhenchman2835]

Just because he describes unhealthy people on welfare eating unhealthy food provided by the govt doesnt mean hes against poor people. That is what you are interpreting and assuming everyone will interpret it as. But people will interpret it in many different ways. Hes not a well rehearsed political strategist, he just made a song about what he sees and how he feels about it. From my interpretation hes just calling out the absurdity of it, “its a damn shame”

[@bradtaylor77]

Exactly, means tested government policy can and does incentivize shitty behavior. Also what Kyle and most leftists fail to realize is the majority of people don't see or treat people through the lens of heiracy. If you're a shitty person you're a shitty person regardless of class or wealth.

[@Theability83]

Exactly, Kyle’s reaching real hard with his assumptions on what that line really means. I take it the exact way you do.

[@mjzenbar]

​@@Theability83yeah, Kyle's acting like this musician is political messenger and not just an regular guy artist working through the absurdity of what he sees. It's frankly an absurd take

[@Theability83]

@@mjzenbar I’ve honestly noticed he’s had way more absurd takes ever since being with Krystal, and even more that a lot of the subject matter has overlap from what he’s covering and what BP is covering. Seems him and Krystal have the same take on this guy and his song. Also noticed he looks more and more like a Fk boy the further into his relationship he’s gotten with her. I’ve been watching his channel for easily a decade or so and he’s becoming one of the “looney lefties” with some of his takes since getting with Krystal from what I’ve noticed personally…

[@josephjohn907]

Yeah, Kyle is the one who used Conservative Deplorable talking points against the poor like welfare queens. Criticize him for using Conservative Deplorables talking points against the poor

[@hugokiff]

I think it’s easy for people who are up to date on the nuances of politics I.e. have connected the dots to get frustrated at guys like this. But I think for regular folks who don’t like to torture themselves with such things it’s all about what they see and feel in their immediate surroundings. I empathise completely with this guys confusion, I’m from the UK so have a slightly different perspective.I have a deep distrust and hatred of our government, they have fucked us over time and again and it’s blatant they don’t give a fuck about the working class, breaking down our rights etc etc, But I love and appreciate the NHS! With regards the the welfare queen thing, I think most people understand that the majority of people receiving benefits are in need of them. That being said when I was growing up with my younger sister, being raised by a single mother who is a nurse and worked her ass off, across the street there was another single mother who did not work (despite being capable) and lived off benefits. Now is it a good thing that she had that to fall back on so her child didn’t suffer? Of course! But is it frustrating even as a child to see your mum work so hard, and yet live the same quality of life as someone on benefits? Hell yes it is. I think this confusion is justified.

[@ollehkacb]

Yea and it is unjust. In fact in the usa the welfare system punishes you if you get a job. It actively incentives being lazy.

[@reecehightower7297]

nice response, thanks for sharing your experience! :)

[@andothersuchnonsense2685]

Absolutely the comment I came here looking for. If you've spent any amount of time offline talking to people for more than a moment it's pretty obvious most people aren't walking around with a copy of Socratic Logic in their pocket, rechecking their worldview against itself daily. So many people are just trying to get through the week and don't have a mind for self-reflection because it wasn't baked into their education at the jump, which is where this springs from.

[@samwindmill8264]

There's a lot of similarities between the Tories and the GOP these days, one of the differences being that in Britain your right wingers call them "benefits scroungers/thieves" rather than "welfare queens"

[@insightfulhistorian1861]

You can't control other people. The other woman made her choice, your mother made hers. Living in perpetual contempt for anyone who doesn't follow your hardworking example (the majority do) is pointless and only eats away at you. I get it, I feel the same way when I work hard in a job and other employees who are paid the same, work less than I do. However, you need to get over it. It's a fact of life that not everyone is going to work equally hard.

[@stephenbailey9969]

I'll stick with Woody Guthrie. He knew what solidarity was.

[@hirampriggott1689]

He knew what fascism was.

[@gethinap]

100%, Woody Guthrie this boy Anthony is not

[@film79]

Woody Guthrie "you can't scare me I'm sticking with the union." Oliver Anthony "fudge rounds scare me"

[@2727rogers]

Well he was an actual protest singer.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@2727rogers Yes. His songs represented his values: "This land is your land, this land is my land...This land was made for you and me." Solidarity. The common good.

[@PuppetsByPalmieri]

The first verse was pretty reasonable and relatable, then it took a hard right turn into hating on other people the system he’s complaining about is also keeping down. Brother is misguided.

[@NotGrayButBrownMan]

Kyle asking this singer, who only knew that 300 people listened to his music a month ago, for his policies on unions, minimum wage, war on the middle east, etc. is just too much. This isn't my type of music either, but why can't a man just express his thoughts and ideas through music in his own way? Kyle, I bet you that this singer might actually agree with a lot of what you believe in.

[@shutsquad]

Couldn't agree more.

[@XxCorvette1xX]

Why are you coddling him like a child? How demeaning lmao He clearly has pretty strong opinions about things intimately tied up to those issues Kyle mentioned Maybe West Virginian Ed Sheeran here should be more careful about ‘expressing his feelings’ if he isn’t willing to look further into the issues and see what follows from the opinions he expressed When he whines about fat people milking welfare, I think it’s very fair to ask what his thoughts on unions or the minimum wage are..

[@1008md]

Right! This is Kyle just being too autistic lol No disrespect Kyle! That wasn’t a dig but I think your taking this song too literal, and expect him to be a political pundit. Most Americans too worried about paying rent by working for bullshit pay

[@blacktiger24950]

Kyle, once you started asking this one-hit rando policy questions, I'm like stop. It's the Hollywood pop culture bubble that make you feel like these people need strong political opinions. I very much doubt most singers and actors have thought about their overall philosophy much more than this guy. They just have trained talking points.

[@romanticmoney296]

Kyle out here protecting his career. Knows once it all falls he's broke. Keep being two faced my guy

[@dontsayitisntbecauseitis3845]

Basic rule: Don’t go to pop songs expecting coherent politics.

[@dogblessamerica]

But a lot of people are saying it's the most profound thing they've heard in years. Profound music does exist. This just isn't it

[@joedirt6073]

Another rule, politics is for the brainwashed dumbMasses

[@M0saab]

Pop??

[@dontsayitisntbecauseitis3845]

@@Elatenl Yeah, I said it. Hillybilly grief-lube is what I was thinking.

[@andreasbyczkowski3435]

👍🏻🎯

[@december8538]

Kyle you hit all of the points I wanted to. I wouldn't be so hard on the artist though he's just a bit unpolished and isn't online 24/7.

[@abcxyz123]

What is so hard, just sensible conclusion imo...

[@TheDivayenta]

His Twitter was loaded with antisemitic Jewish Question vids. What a stellar American.

[@december8538]

@@TheDivayenta Yeah not that I regard his type as harmless.

[@joedirt6073]

​@@TheDivayenta Those that say they are jews are liars, like their father...they are the synagogue of Satan

[@bornkinggamer3347]

Well he's also majorly astroturfed.

[@mrlarvux]

He’s singing the blues. You sing about what’s bringing you down and you don’t have to offer calculated solutions. It’s more therapeutic if you get to just lash out at what’s upsetting you.

[@2727rogers]

He is also singing about the American voter. They seem to know what is issue is but have no idea what is causing the issue. That is so obvious to people outside the USA. The America voter keeps voting for the same type of politician election after election and wonder why things don't change. NEWS flash it isn't poor people abusing welfare.

[@PACKTdotSPACE]

I agree to an extent, but I feel like he has written a song which attacks the lower classes as much as it attacks the rich. His song divides the working class in a similar way to how media and corporations divide the working class with their rhetoric.

[@VampiricBard]

@@PACKTdotSPACE I agree and all the excuses made for this 'normie' are utterly ridiculous.

[@kalebaldwin5398]

A lot of normie working class people have a problem with welfare recipients. It’s not really about “wasting” taxpayer money, either. It’s a moral thing. “Working overtime for bullshit pay” and scraping by without a “handout” is virtuous, but collecting welfare (often while working a job that doesn’t pay enough) is somehow a mark of bad character. Another aspect to this problem is means-testing. A lot of people, particularly single-parent families, rely on programs like TANF, SNAP, and Medicaid. If their income is too high, they lose their benefits, but usually, that income won’t be enough. People shouldn’t have to choose between making a slightly higher amount of money or losing their safety net.

[@2727rogers]

Your comment alone is so true and sad as well. What type of country as a system that makes it economically better to stay poor than to make a better living but loose all of your social safety nets. Of the democratic developed countries the only one is the USA.

[@waynewright5023]

Oliver Anthony has made it **abundantly clear** that he's *NOT* the "new conservative hero", but they keep trying to claim him as their new rallying symbol. Kyle has this wrong--he needs to actually listen to the entire song. He's made CLEAR that he aligns with neither political party. Kyle needs to find the interview that Anthony gave--he explains the song in better detail.. He was flat out pissed off that his song was used as part of the first Republican debate. Anthony was not happy at all..

[@2727rogers]

Well if he didn't want to be a conservative hero he shouldn't have used welfare abuse as an example of wasted tax money. Also what a coward he is not choosing a side. If you are going to write a protest song you are taking a side. Now what side is he taking is up to interpenetration. The first part makes his seem to be progressive but than it takes a far right turn when blaming welfare abuse. That should have pissed off the very working people he is trying to reach. It would in most other democratic developed countries not so much in the USA.

[@SeasideDetective2]

One of the biggest problems is that we conflate political conservatism and cultural conservatism, even though those two are not the same and often do not even overlap.

[@2727rogers]

@@SeasideDetective2 That comment is interesting. I would love it if you would give an example of a cultural conservative item that is not political conservative.

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@2727rogers Well, for one, the Christian religion. Christianity preaches sexual chastity and temperance - conservative values - but also social justice - which, at least in today's America, is NOT a conservative value. Yet conservative Christians have aligned themselves with Republicans on more or less every issue.

[@2727rogers]

@@SeasideDetective2 Good example.

[@bbrigman9382]

To be fair, he did say that this song was about everyone that was on that stage, i.e. THEY are the "rich men".

[@Strype13]

Sure did. While, at the same time, clowning on fat people stuck on welfare.

[@timothy8766]

One last point he's not confused he's objective and that's confusing you

[@dannytheman1313]

I think this guy might actually be confused because he's 20 something so his parents probably grew up in the 80's listening to Ragen talk about welfare queens and passed that on to him. At the same he sees that the biggest problem is money in politics and rich people not paying taxes at least not the way they should. He sees both problems but can't really grasp either

[@bradtaylor77]

His only attacks were on the elite and obese people milking welfare. What was wrong about his attack on obese people milking welfare? When you come from that environment and you have family that are obese who partake in government incentivized unhealthy lifestyles then you're going to feel a certain type of way about how government policy causes people act a certain way.

[@ThinkBitcoin]

Basically Kyle is saying "unless you know all the intricacies of politics, shut the f*ck up"

[@fatherodneal4609]

Getting upset at a singer for not including policy in a song sounds weird. Like he expects lyrics should contain policy info like “add an amendment to social security code 603: sub section 10 and hold a deposition on increasing Medicare coverage”

[@Raso719]

Objectively there are way more lines in that song sitting on the poor than shitting on "rich men north of Richmond". The song is barely about "rich men". It I wouldn't be surprised if it was written by ChatGBT where the system declined to talk shit about the wealthy due to its programming.

[@zebezach]

I 100% align with nearly every policy belief Kyle holds, but picking apart a song which inherently expresses feelings rather than solutions is strange. People can expeess their confused frustrations and remain apolitical. Despite his lyrics being easily exploited by right wing interpretations, it is not the guy's fault that everyone wants to drag the song from the music realm to the politcal realm. Criticisms would make more sense from a musical perspective than a political perspective, and in most artistic discussions authorial intention is only a small piece of the analytic pie.

[@blackoak4978]

Yeah, Kyle went way overboard on this one. I actually watched The Charismatic Voice break down the music video and she loved it. Said even though it was raw, and used techniques that would cause vocal damage over time if he continued doing it, what those techniques brought was an emotional depth that may be worth the price

[@Kcoldraz]

To be fair, it is a song we can't really expect to put in a lot of policy. Like Kyle said in the beginning it's more about vibes.

[@firefly9838]

Kyle wouldn't be satisfied. He's bitter from getting cucked by his wife's bull.

[@kapnkerf2532]

It's kind of like 'Born in the USA' with Reagan all over again.

[@TheDivayenta]

Born in the USA was an excellent song. No comparison.

[@austingoyne3039]

@@TheDivayenta I think he means in the sense that it was ignorantly co-opted by the Republican Party.

[@TheDivayenta]

@@austingoyne3039 I know but in this case , if you watch Vaush’s expose, he’s a direct creation of the Republican Party.

[@kapnkerf2532]

@@austingoyne3039Correct

[@davidgough3512]

Those stomach turning lyrics ruined it for me: they go 180 degrees against the title theme, punching down like we're always taught to do, when its the "rich men north of richmond" who subsidize Big Sugar, let it pollute, let soft drink machines into our schools. 5'3" implies a woman, btw. So if ya can't take it out on "the Rich Men".. take it out on some random hapless diabetic. How long before someone is demonized and viciously attacked because of these irresponsible lines?If personal responsibility is to blame, why no critique of the voters who keep putting these same rich men etc back into office? Anthony is no Woody Guthrie.. he's an establishment Tool taking cheap shots to appeal to the usual worst instincts, just to boost sales.

[@zefft.f4010]

Woody Guthrie would've hated this fool. I've seen people compare them and it pisses me off. Guthrie'd rip him a new one, using his machine for its intended purpose: to kill fascists.

[@michaelarmijo2752]

Get a job loser. 😂😂😂. Begging is no way to go through life. Come on give it a shot, have some self respect, pride.

[@gregoriancatmonk6904]

I don't get how these people don't get it! You have a Lord sitting at a banquet table gorging himself and the he happens to throw a half eaten chicken bone to his serfs who squabble over it and when some feel cheated, the lord laughs and points at another peasant and says don't blame me it's his fault!......No you Idiots it's always the Lord, it's always the rich guy gobbling down all the food and using his power to keep you kneeling at his feet! It's never the guy with less power than you that is holding you down!! It's the guy who takes everything and leaves you with scraps that is screwing you over!!! Why are people so stupid they can't see the obvious!

[@ollehkacb]

Ever heard of the expression of crabs in a bucket? Its true that there are many rich who like you to remain poor but there are also many poor people who want you to stay poor as well.

[@HakuYuki001]

@@ollehkacb No one wants to be poor to the extent of lacking basic necessities. Yet they are forced to. If people don't want to work and remain poor then that is their lifestyle choice but human dignity demands that they still be fed. The point of the government is to safeguard the wellbeing of all citizens regardless of lifestyle choices.

[@ollehkacb]

@@HakuYuki001 couldn't disagree more. Because while I agree we should help all, those who act like parasites only kill the host or in the case of society they destroy trust between citizens and that is the worst thing that can happen to a society.

[@ollehkacb]

@@HakuYuki001 i should clarify. Those who can work but refuse to should be removed from benefits unless they have a job. Franky we should implement a service similar to Japan who has a national job service where they find people looking for work, a job.

[@gregoriancatmonk6904]

​​​@@ollehkacbSure there bad people that are poor, but consider who has the power to screw you more the guy buying Twinkies with food stamps ....or the guy who is paying you 7.25 an hour and giving you just enough hours to not allow you to qualify for benefits and making 1500 x what you make per year? I am betting its the guy who is exploiting you and making 1500 times your annual income that's the problem he's the reason you have to use social programs in the first place not the Twinkie guy.

[@joshhadley9445]

If this song offends you it's about you.

[@meanckz]

yeah, I was with him up until that "obese" line.....then the message (if there is one) went to 💩

[@MV-dy1nw]

Welfare cheats exist, but to stereotype everyone on welfare is a cheat is wrong.

[@jasinAmsterdam1976]

Aren't you expecting a little too much of this artist? This singer was not planning to get this famous this quick and probably did not plan his lyrics to be this perfect tell-all and solve politics. Also, not everyone is as well-read and researched or in-depth in all the ins and outs of politics as Kyle himself. Sometimes I feel like Kyle is forgetting that not everyone is a politician. It feels wrong to treat this singer the same way you would an actual politician, just because he sings about politics. "If the shoe fit, wear it" does not apply in this one 😉

[@frankmaitland1254]

He said that about welfare because Snaps pays for Fudge rounds but not a Precooked chicken because it's Warm. Take a breath Kyle. He's not confused take a break.

[@anthonycalce8223]

SNAP also has work requirements, but I doubt Oliver Anthony understands that

[@Prosamian]

Dude. The man put his feelings into a song, and you're asking questions about policies like he's a political pundit. He's just a creative... an artist.

[@jonaslong6012]

Also, songwriters don't need to be totally politically savvy. It's a sloppily written song, it's not his fault it blew up like it did.

[@Nyx_Pyralis]

I was just coming to the comments to make this point!

[@excalibur2772]

I get ur point but if ur talking politics I think you do

[@jonaslong6012]

@@excalibur2772 it's a textbook case of free speech. a person shouldn't have to know all about politics to rant in a song, from their subjective pov, even if they're totally off. it's just a song. he's allowed to write it, obviously, and record it, and if the song blows up for whatever reason, it's not his fault, and it doesn't retroactively retract his right to make the song and record it. nobody has to listen to someone's opinions just because they wrote a hit song. this almost smacks of ben shapiros "WAP" rant.

[@excalibur2772]

@@jonaslong6012 No one was going on about his "right" to do so just saying if you wanna be taken seriously you do

[@jonaslong6012]

@@excalibur2772 who says he was trying to be taken seriously? if anything he seems to be saying people are taking his song too seriously.

[@MAJ12268]

Well done Kyle, as always. Your observations are very astute. I agree he is confused, and part of that is because what's left of our public education system is being dismantled at an alarming rate by the GOP in particular. It's no surprise he doesn't fully understand how politics works. But at the same time, information is readily available for people who desire it. I am always amazed that people will say ignorant, often baseless things in public settings, believe without question something they heard from someone else, or write tortured political songs then claim they're not political, all at the risk of grave humiliation. Wow!

[@firefly9838]

Kyle doesn't understand how the world works. Politics isn't everything

[@9713sunflower]

Best comment ever!

[@DarthAlphaTheGreat]

I think most average people who is not keeping up with politics and thinking and learning about it are confused. People only prioritize their baseline. I argue people have always been confused. He is like the real average “centrist” American lol

[@vanivari359]

oh well, he rips that guy apart because he made a song (you don't have to like it) with no intention to be a public political figure with clear takes on 20 policy topics, but for his former bro Joe Rogan, the words are always very measured. That Oliver dude seems to be a religious small government conservative, who is not stupid, but probably was indoctrinated from day one (groomed as they say). Why on earth has that guy to pick a side if he never really thought or cared about politics the way Kyle does? Because a bunch of idiots used his song? The left really needs to understand that they are in a even worse bubble (because smaller and more elite) than the right. That guy works and makes music, he has most likely no actual opinion founded in facts on any of those policies. That's why direct democracy will never work, most people don't know, don't understand and don't really care. and people are just like companies, they say yes to everything that helps them and most don't care from whom it is taken as long as they get away with it., so guess what his positions are. The only difference is that humans are even dumb enough to vote against their own interest, something a company will not do. I realize that companies are better at being people than people are.

[@joshuad7953]

No, not well done at all….Kyle goes hard on a singer talking about corporate elites. Why? Because it has a hint of conservatism and a hint of conservatism = bad🤦🏿‍♂️ So now that he criticized republicans for using his music, Kyles reaction is HOW DARE YOU go outside the narrow box i dumped you in.

[@23ofSeptember]

Anthony is an up/down guy, not a left/right guy. Its hard for modern media and pundits not to accept that.

[@mcmcmcm6520]

Then why’s he punching down?

[@23ofSeptember]

I think he's punching across. He isn't actually blaming the obese person, but the system that doesn't enforce people to work. Thats punching up. Comes across as punching down though to some.@@mcmcmcm6520

[@rigger49er]

Kyle he addressed the welfare bar. He said it was about how most people on welfare are buying junk food. He said the system drives people to buy shty food cause it’s cheap and good food is so expensive. If you watch his break down of the song he addressed it.

[@VampiricBard]

What about the line about how taxes shouldn't be used to pay for it? By it I mean the junk food. It sounds more like he's criticizing what people with food stamps choose to buy.

[@rigger49er]

@@VampiricBard that’s what I wrote that he addressed. Look I’m all for freedom of choice but the point is why is healthy food expensive and junk so cheap. He talk about people dying because of it. It does suck that our system is so upside down that it promotes bs food. Look at the number one killer in this county. It’s heart disease, diabetes and cancer. A lot of those cases could be solved with a good diet and exercise. It would serve this country and taxpayers if the system pushed people to healthy choices. What’s wrong with saying that? But it’s like Pac said “they don’t give a fck about us”

[@ottz2506]

Maybe it’s because I live in a different country (UK) but I can get healthy food (fruit, veg, spices, herbs, milk, cereal, bread, tuna, cheese etc) really cheap at my local Aldi. Some of which are less expensive than the junk food. Probably depends on where you live but I’ve always been hesitant to jump entirely on the “Junk food is more expensive than healthy food” argument. Imo, it can partly (not entirely) be down to people being too lazy to make their own healthy meals which can be done but takes longer whereas Mcdonalds is called fast food for a reason. It only takes twenty minutes to make a tuna pasta dish and even less to make boiled eggs with toast soldiers, and there are some meals where the boiled water, the oven, etc is doing most of the work for you. And if you take the time to read ingredients labels, you and your family will absolutely benefit from it health wise in the long run. Exercise can also be free and you don’t need a fancy gym membership. For some, their issue isn’t about junk food vs healthy food but more about responsible budgeting and taking the time to make meals. Sometimes the “oh you can afford to buy all the latest gear but can’t find the money for healthy food” argument is a legit one to use. KZbin is free too so you can write down recipes and learn how to make the dishes. And as someone who has worked in a convenience store, a lot of the same people complaining about food prices happily hand over a lot of money to get five large packs of cigarettes. Again, this isn’t the case for everyone. I get the argument of “junk food is more expensive” if you don’t have a nearby place where food is cheap then sure but people risk taking away the agency of many.

[@rigger49er]

@@ottz2506 I agree with you. I’m into a healthy lifestyle and I do believe the lack of exercise is a huge problem. That said when I go grocery shopping and look for organic and non gmo foods it’s expensive. I just bought groceries the other day only got four bags and it was 150 dollars. I’m a pretty high earner compared to the average wage in the U.S. I asked myself how could the average person making 35 to 40k a year afford this. I do believe fasting could help lower the cost of food. It’s just an insane dynamic that we have in the U.S.

[@ottz2506]

@@rigger49er Well I mean of course the organic non GMO stuff is going to be more expensive. The stuff I see isn’t and I could buy more than four bags of stuff for way under £150. For some, a person living on 35 to 40K could absolutely afford to do this if they budget probably while having enough to put into savings and enough to afford to splurge. I don’t know how fasting could lower the cost of food though. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s difficult to have sympathy for Tiffany when she will complain about not being able to afford stuff but can find enough to party and eat out all the time and spend money on stuff she could probably get and do for free. Of course she’s going to struggle money wise if she prioritises getting the latest gear over sorting out a budget and thus can’t make rent (or can just barely pay it) and buy enough groceries to get by for a while.

[@Balibaliadashi]

He’s not confused. He’s the majority of voters. The left and the right miss this. Most people are half left half right and it’s on the same issues. Trans people getting equal protections? Yes. Trans people playing organized sports? This need to use philosophy for public politics is why you can’t understand election outcomes. As a left leaning moderate, I often wonder if anyone in the political world will ever figure this out.

[@middleschoolgravy]

It’s just so weird that he can say this song is about the people on that debate stage and not connect those are the very people who invented the whole idea of the poor, lazy, fat, welfare moocher as a scapegoat for the struggles of the working class. So you aren’t paying attention to them when they rob you.

[@CF4herty]

wow kyle hes a guy that came out of a major depression and was close to collapse, and attack him like hes a politician. You do know you can have conservative and progressive views in 1 head right.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

There are definitely people who play the system and exploit welfare. I've known some of them personally. That said, in the grand scheme of things, it's a very minor issue compared to what the rich and corporations are doing to this country.

[@ollehkacb]

They are both bad in many different ways but in my opinion the fault lies most on thr government rather than the rich or the poor.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

@@ollehkacb When it comes to corruption in favor of the rich and corporations it is quite literally the product of the rich and corporations bribing government officials. I think that qualifies as being at fault.

[@ollehkacb]

@@aaronhumphrey3514 the poor vote for these people in office because they promise us scraps and we are satisfied with thag rather then electing honorable people. Its both out faults.

[@matthewkopp2391]

How does one exploit welfare? Are they making millions from welfare with their food stamps? I lived in Germany, and they don’t like it when some „cheats the system“ because it is unfair. At the same time they have universal healthcare, free education, and even advertise their welfare system to artists, literally on their website, to those that don’t make enough. and welfare is enough to live on. In the USA there is no such thing as „exploiting welfare“ it’s called taking whatever crumbs that trickle down after the Reagan era.

[@josephjohn907]

It is non existent for the poor to game the system. Stop lying

[@Jarjarjinks234]

2 things can be true at once. Elites can be taking advantage of people, and people can be taking advantage of welfare. Kyle unable to view any discussion outside of the L/R, socialist/capitalist lens

[@mistercohaagen]

This is a genuinely good and thorough take on this. Good information for song writers as well.

[@JD-lt7uv]

This rich man north of Richmond doesn't get the song and the reality on the ground. Big shocker there!

[@Static-ash]

I'm tired of hearing about this guy and this song but Kyle nailed it on the wardrobe colors today 😄

[@spiritof6663]

That's about the only thing Kyle can nail these days.

[@iYrn]

just sounds like libertarianism tbh

[@thedude-jb7wx]

bravo kyle thank you and you nailed it!!! NAILED IT!!!!

[@justice4all719]

He's for proper pay for workers, proper distribution of wealth. The guy is not that much into politics, he's just fed up by the rich taking too big part of the pie. He may not be fully aware of why the system is so rigged, but he got the message right I think. He's not signing about one politician, but against the overall system.

[@moosabman]

Relieved to see this. I thought I was the only person who watched the song and thought "this person is clueless to the issues." I can't believe I'm seeing people on tiktok in tears watching a hokey song that should have been titled "the balad of fox News cereal"

[@clintparsons3989]

People are taking his shitty little song way more seriously than he intended lol. It’s not that deep.

[@Libbathegreat]

I really think it would be worth having him on KK&F. This guy is clearly not steeped in politics the way most of your viewers are. He represents the much-vaunted "independent" voters, where "independent" is almost a euphemism for "political ignoramus". But those are EXACTLY the people we have to reach, and they are very reachable if we don't just shit all over them for not knowing all the things we know.

[@hali_moto]

He's just a guy making some music. He's not running for office Kyle, chill.

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

“Rich Men North of Richmond” can accurately be described as something that is ‘controlled opposition’

[@craigbrowning9448]

Oliver Anthony, "Rich Men of Richmond" Lyrics: I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day Overtime hours for bullshit pay So I can sit out here and waste my life away Drag back home and drown my troubles away. Pre-Chorus: It's a damn shame what the world's gotten to For people like me and people like you Wish I could just wake up and it not be true But it is, oh, it is. Chorus: Livin' in the new world With an old soul These rich men north of Richmond Lord knows they all just wanna have total control Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do And they don't think you know, but I know that you do 'Cause your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end 'Cause of rich men north of Richmond. I wish politicians would look out for miners And not just minors on an island somewhere Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothin' to eat And the obese milkin' welfare. Well, God, if you're 5-foot-3 and you're 300 pounds Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds Young men are puttin' themselves six feet in the ground 'Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down. Repeat Pre-Chorus Repeat Chorus I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day Overtime hours for bullshit pay.

[@CassieAngelica]

Not opposition, but in fact, the main offensive force against the powerless.

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

@@craigbrowning9448 LOL say what? Whatchu talkin bout?

[@spicymemes7458]

Except it isn't? He is a really shitty plant if he got a platform at the debate and he told them to fuck themselves.

[@frankmaitland1254]

He missed the point. I don't think Kyle is the audience

[@eliane6275]

I think he is quite smart. And it must be ok to not be ideologically versed, just sing about your own experiences. This song is about what he sees around him, and I guess he is not much around the CEOs and tax dodgers using loopholes or whatever you mean he should have sung about. It must be irritating to have to go to work for a little salary and try to make a living, and people who do not try very hard are may be better off. I also find it aggravating - to use his own words - that you can't see the big idea behind this song. I guess that when he sings about working for bullshit pay, and not having a life, that is in fact a critic of his boss and the rich guys who run his workplace. I find you are a bit disconnected from the people you are supposed to defend here. He has been working his ass off for years, in addition to being an addict for those years, so I guess he is excused that he has not thought about all those problems you are mentioning. And politics do not have to be about choosing a team and having an opinion about all kind of things that are not what you are involved in in your daily life - it can also be about seeing the problems around you and singing about them, without necessary having the solution. I think he is advocating for local self determination and people being able to take more decisions for themselves.

[@nysaxman]

He's not confused. Kyle is confused. The song is about regular working people who are struggling. Kyle, being the millionaire he is, comes to the conclusion the songwriter is confused because of one line in the song. Have you asked him about the line? Maybe there's a context that you're missing, Kyle. Geez...💩 lib.

[@traceytorrey924]

The owner class has convinced these people that the lower middle class is getting robbed by the people living in poverty.

[@nathanhaines1721]

Yup

[@2727rogers]

Well convinced him at least and enough voters that the Republicans get elected as well. Now if only there was a choice for the people to vote for that would actually help them. Oh wait there is but they are controlled by rich men as well.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Theory has convinced the perennially online that the poor are angels.

[@traceytorrey924]

@@cockoffgewgle4993 Most people know that’s not true. But the policies being enacted are doing little to help the situation. An actual policy that helps would be nice to see. Let’s stop cutting funding for mental health and lower income neighborhoods. Oh wait… I forgot.. “How are we gonna pay for that???!!”

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

If they/you know that's not true why are you implying/stating that it is? And gaslighting (to use an overused term) working class people who criticise working class people? It's just inane pearl clutching, of the type woke neoliberals constantly deploy to silence working class people. Working class people generally hate handouts and take pride in earning their way. You'll never sell "nobody is responsible for their actions, everything is the fault of the rich" to them. And the solution to obesity isn't "mental health funding", that's another tired university class go-to. Most mental health problems are material problems. Corporations churning out poison and calling it food is one of the untapped scandals of our time. Not to mention the bombardment of advertising that is inflicted on us and our children for it, from before we can walk and talk. 99% of our food is stuffed with an infinite array of toxins, refined sugar, salt etc. It isn't even food.@@traceytorrey924

[@shanesmith4170]

Kyle fundamentally misunderstands the point he is making. He is saying that you have people who have nothing to eat that the government cannot assist it seems while you have obesity issues using their benefits to go make that problem worse. He is not even arguing for a reduction in aid funds. Just a better practical application of those funds to get them everywhere they need to go and cut off the parts that do not need to be funded so we can and not increase the tax burden on the American people.

[@finalverdict2957]

This was one of your best videos in a while Kyle, that rant on capitalism was straight 🔥🔥🔥

[@9713sunflower]

Yes! Totally agree.

[@kyoakland]

Facts

[@MechaSegaNite]

Bashes capitalism... ...proceeds to grift. Will people ever wake the fuck up to these grifters?

[@KaleemCerie]

Listen to this guys story. He doesn’t have a political ideology he’s a guy that works in a factory and feels pain and anger. His political ideology isn’t some considered position. The song is him opening his wound that’s why he resonates with so many.

[@FischerNilsA]

_"Governement doesnt help anybody...."_ While every hour of every day, governement money saves people by medicare and medicaid and many other programs. I agree that US governance is bad. But take it all away tomorrow, and millions die withing days and weeks. What they really want to say is _"I dont see how governement is helping ME!"_

[@I_know_what_im_saying]

Hes talking about the poor people that dont wanna get off welfare and food stamps.

[@IrocZIV]

An average man, who spent more time working, than researching how society works now days.

[@123rockfan]

It’s possible to do both

[@joedirt6073]

Society is full of totalitarians that want most of us dead

[@IrocZIV]

Sure, he just didn't @@123rockfan

[@moonie9000]

"Left" and "Right" fails so massively to describe real ideology these days that I've taken to saying I'm "politically South". By which I mean, for the lower classes and the small person. Simplifies things a bit!

[@brandonbryson3317]

He seems like a good guy. He’s just not very polished and he hasn’t had time to reconcile his message or thoughts after he unexpectedly blew up like nothing we’ve ever seen. Lol I’m sure he’s in shock, as well. Probably never thought he’d have to be spreading political messages on such a large stage practically overnight.

[@annaclarafenyo8185]

No. He was specifically targeted to go viral by a conservative think-tank. His song is deliberate propaganda.

[@jlmann8109]

He deliberately released this song when he did.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

The guy has a public playlist that contain multiple videos talking about the Jewish question. Very nice. This was all coordinated too, the dark money forces that boosted him wanted people to see that

[@TheDivayenta]

He was astroturfed and produced by dark Repub money. Watch Vaush reveal it.

[@SolutionsWithin]

Making direct criticism of short fat people is not very nice either tho since that makes up at least half of us!

[@blackflagsnroses6013]

Look up Billy Bragg’s response song “Rich Men Earning North of a Million”

[@MR-gz9lm]

He didn’t say he’s mad at the poor people. He’s mad at CHEATERS who take checks without working

[@josephjohn907]

Shut up. No one take checks without working all able bodied people on food stamps are working class. You are just being foolish

[@danieldelorme5138]

Sorry, it's not Barbie girl Kyle.

[@markmoore6258]

He explains the welfare line in the follow-up to his first video.

[@bgcyrus]

I live in VA, just about 45 mins from this guy's hometown. He sounds like other friends of mine that consider themselves Libertarian, which simply means fiscally conservative and socially liberal. And when that comes to voting, the fiscal side normally wins because they don't want their own money going into helping any liberal issues (school lunch, universal college, universal healthcare, universal PreK, etc). It's the NIMBY philosophy: "I support it, as long as it doesn't affect my life."

[@belyndajestice4973]

This was soooo perfectly said. Thank you!! I have been having a really hard time recently with family members and an old high school friend claiming to not be political or conservative but then talking about politics and being willfully misinformed and getting unhinged and mad at me for kindly and politely trying to educate them on exactly who or what they are listening to and the lie's and misinformation coming from these various right wing media places like libs of TikTok. I think there sre many confused people and i don't know how to talk to them. Its incredible frustrating and exhausting.

[@drdr76]

...and the hypocrisy of these people is amazing. I was talking with a "libertarian" who didn't think there should be any government (even though he spent most of his adulthood working for California state parks). To me, libertarians are actually extreme Republicans and I told him so. He just wanted to repeat right wing talking points. I said that the Republicans have NEVER supported working people and if he could show me one law they have passed to help working people, I would listen to him. He couldn't of course. You'd have to go all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt breaking up the monopolies to find a republican who actually helped the working class people.

[@TaulPaulGT]

I mean the far left has lost touch with reality, which is why libs of tik toc exists. Both sides of the political spectrum has their crazies. But to say one side is misinformed and needs educated is incredibly arrogant,

[@VampiricBard]

@@drdr76 I don't think I've ever met or seen a libertarian who was even remotely consistent

[@gravytruck]

Kyle seems pretty mad at some yokel that wrote a song and got famous for it. It seems fairly obvious that he wasn't expecting it to get heard the way it has so taking a deep dive on the political message is probably a waste of time because it wasnt deep in the first place. The guy basically doesn't like the current situation he sees and the people that are supposed to fix it aren't. The welfare lines are like a quarter of the song, so he doesn't like the way welfare works. Why would you expect a solution to political ills in a two and a half minute song.

[@c2gindustries]

I'm an Oliver Anthony fan. Just a warning. I think Kyle and Krystal are both wrong on their takes of this guy. They're both demanding that he be some sort of ideologically consistent and thoroughly political person. That's not who he is. But, he literally named his song "Rich Men North of Richmond", and all you both can talk about is how he complained about fat people. Seems like he's looking in the right direction to place blame. Is he missing the corporate elites? Yes. Is he writing about ordinary peoples' problems, also yes. Take your wins guys. And most importantly, this man's music is resonating with so many people. So many. There's your coalition. Capitalize on this momentum instead of picking at it. I'd be screaming to the hilltops about how your ideology benefits working class people more than the Dem and Rep gangs that most people are tied to. I feel like you're both missing such an opportunity to speak directly to the people you need to push for real change instead of just crusading on KZbin.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

The overreaction to this song is maddening...This is a regular dude, a normie who doesn't pay much attention to politics, not a damn political pundit with rigid ideological dogma. It's frustrating to see the way a 3 minute song that started out as a unifying force has devolved into a complete shitshow....

[@runawayjim99]

I think you missed the point...

[@BrummyTom]

If someone is “all over the place politically” it’s usually a good sign with regard to their integrity.

[@bobtheredskin123]

Just cus something seems right doesn’t make it so…

[@devinmccourty1500]

I'm sorry Kyle, but people who do not work and cash welfarre checks are not a part of the "working class"

[@zefft.f4010]

The vast majority of people on welfare still work. If you take every single welfare recipient and every case of welfare fraud there has ever been and put it in a pot, it's still pennies in comparison to the sums of money funnelled into off-shore tax havens and straight into the pockets of the already obscenely wealthy. People on welfare *are* part of the working class. And even if some fleece the gov't for a few thousand bucks, who gives a shit? It's literally a piss in the Atlantic in comparison to the true parasites of our society.

[@danielgibson8799]

The song is fine. There’s a lyric or two that’s a bit problematic, but it’s not the biggest deal. It’s sincere.

[@foskco87]

I think you are overreading into him in general dude. The guy probably self admittedly doesn't really know or care about politics and just has vague and generalized feelings about things. Also he's just a musician. Maybe he was just writing a song that came out in the moment and didn't really have any larger meaning and was not trying to write a thesis on domestic or foreign policy. Not everyone is a political science graduate.

[@citizen_cicero]

Kyle is very confused

[@sarahs7058]

Kyle- this is the best analysis I’ve heard from anyone, anywhere. Thank you.

[@michaelarmijo2752]

Well at 16, yeah wait until you grow up. Christ kids.

[@koukkoufos2000]

Sarah Spinelli?

[@platoniczombie]

I think what we're seeing is the effect of people now trying to converse after years of being within echo chambers. Try to talk to people and they all seem everywhere on so many things and a lot of it doesn't seem consistent. Which is fine, not being consistent doesn't mean their views are wrong. But it takes a lot more to get to an understanding of someone's views now.

[@missshroom5512]

Agreed Kyle! I just seen a help wanted sign at a local gas station for 16 bucks an hour👍🏼…I about fell over with joy for our community. I’m in a small Michigan town🥳

[@lievenyperman9363]

Another segment where Kyle looks down on people who don't completely agree with him. The singer is an artist singing from his heart. He is under no obligation to fit into a specific political tribe or have a coherent philosophy. He is popular because people hear enough of their own sentiments in his song. Everything is political for Kyle and that's fine for him but to now shit on people who are not obsessed by it like he is and speak from the heart about it rather than from subjective rational analysis. Build a bridge from time to time Kyle, you're fighting windmills.

[@humushumus2219]

I somewhat agree. Kyle is the 18th century socialite-social worker who believe in better treatment of factory workers, but not that they have an real agency, or god forbid the vote. Kyle like his wife Krystal, like Sam Seder and many more don't really like working people, or real change, but the do enjoy their self serving "empathic" grift.

[@michaelarmijo2752]

Very good. Nice way to put it.. Do you really think kyle believes all his b.s. ? Since his show is getting like the view. I'm thinking alot is a act ,just to keep the garbage sending him money. Oh and he loves them to. Lol lol

[@lievenyperman9363]

@@michaelarmijo2752 I tend to think people are very capable of convincing themselves that their opinion equals the truth. With people whose wallet is tied to their following the temptations of 'grifting' and 'audience capture' always loom large and do factor into their judgment to some degree. I think Kyle is sincere and principled in his attempt to not get captured by these things but I also think people are blind to their own most deeply encoded biases. When you're someone like Kyle and you repeat your political convictions over and over again, you make it your identity. I think over the years he narrowed his view of what he thinks is acceptable for others to think. In this video, he breezes past everything he agrees with in the lyrics to go and focus on the parts he has a problem with. He is looking to judge it rather than to try and understand it. I think it's a shame because I think Kyle is a good and reasonable guy and he could use his platform more positively. He blamed the singer for doing little more than complaining but I feel that is what he is often doing now. We need bridge builders.

[@michaelarmijo2752]

You sound like a 7th grade girl that's got a puppy love thing going. If you bothered to check on him you would find out how much he lies. If he or any of the progressive channels ( tyt, Dave pacman, Sam seeder) they would try and unite us, instead of running their shows like the VIEW progressives claim to be informed and honest. Yet can't figure out divided nothing changes ,except they get rich. They gave become what they claim to be fighting against. His word games fos his morons. I never agreed with him but had respect for him. Now he just lies or at best edits out shit to get his meat for the animals. You people crack me up with calling others cultists. Anything he say's his klowns believe it. Anything.

[@Matt_Barnes]

Flustered Kyle is my favorite Kyle. His frustration shows, and I think at times displaying that frustration helps to better convey how absurd, unreasonable and incongruous conservative policy and conservative thinking is today. 'Populist', but not for the working class. Conservative, but against conserving the very foundational principles that guarantee the continuity of our democracy.