Rich Mullins - Wheaton College Chapel Service (Full Concert, 1997)

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Rich Mullins speaking and performing live at a chapel service at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois on April 11, 1997. The video previously uploaded on this channel was incomplete. This is the full chapel service from that morning.

[@segale2001]

I was saved the year Rich died. I sang Awesome God every day. I went to buy his album or cassette. I told the girl at the desk I can’t wIt to see him live, and she was like, “you don’t know do you?” I was like know what? They said he died in a car accident a few months back. I was crushed however his music lives on in me even to 2020 and this Corona 19 junk. Gloria Deo!

[@judithreyes4664]

I was in the audience during this concert and he was deep and intentional ... when we get to heaven I hope to hear another concert... and you’ll be there too!!! One day!! Blessings to you and yours!

[@ybh8ful]

awww! :(

[@watchwomanofthedragon8376]

I cried 3 days I had just saw him the night before. Beautiful Man.

[@littlerobin73campey70]

@@judithreyes4664Aaw this is such a kind message … I only came across Rich early this year from listening to a talk by Brennan manning … I’d like also to be there with you guys in heaven one day at a Rich Mullins concert. Brilliant concert and absolutely appreciate and love Rich’s concert 🫶

[@EverettJSmith24]

What a man , I just met him through a movie about him and he is an inspiration long after his passing in Jesus name Amen

[@phredshunkie3487]

Thank God the Internet exists, so I can listen to these concerts. Always been a fan of his music, but I am a bigger fan of what was said between songs.

[@ColonelStraker]

Amen! Rich's music, along with the incomparable Keith Green, forged the path .. my lifelong journey to follow King Jesus Christ. I was heartbroken, at both of their passings, while humbled at their lifelong passion for God. Loved their transparent talk about God, injecting a good sense of humor which, irrefutably, God Himself certainly has as well.

[@filemongolgota3581]

Agreed..his last speech about Mark's Gospel is really beautiful.

[@barbaradamren6396]

Amen

[@Gianna646]

Rich was a true & humble missionary!

[@crocheting1]

I've never been very caught up when a celebrity passes, as I don't know them. It was all different with Rich Mullins. I remember getting the news that day in my college dorm. I freely admit I still shed tears but I know it's selfish. I long for more of his music, but I know when the time is right I will sing to God with Rich. (I can only hope God is tone deaf!) This music has given me strength through nearly dying of anorexia, through recovery and now 18 years as a wife and mother. It helped me persevere while recovering from more than three dozen surgeries, multiple resuscitations, coming off a ventilator and learning to live again. I am fascinated, truly astonished and blessed as well that the music of one man can reach my heart in all circumstances.

[@amymccauslin]

They have a movie of his life and it makes me yearn for his life here on Earth even more😭

[@tomliemohn624]

I think of the time of his passing and I was 500 miles from home living in a terrible place in Oregon pondering suicide or at the very least my lack of being what I thought I should be in life. When I listen to If I Stand, the lyrics just remind me that I should be looking heavenward and not staring at my own problems. I almost feel bad sometimes when I draw inspiration from his life and not from scripture as much as I should. He just seems like everyone, like me - and God uses that and I want God to use me.

[@judithreyes4664]

God Bless you Thank you for sharing your testimony I’m so glad you fought and persevered so I could read it and receive hope in the midst of my storm .. Blessings to you!!!

[@silasmonk2458]

He was definitely well known..but not a celebrity

[@cyndi01]

Silas Monk Yes, all those Christian artists rising during those days, but none like Rich. He really “got it” the heart of God towards his children, & all His creation. Can’t wait to meet Jesus & His beloved Rich Mullens!

[@raising5kiddos]

I can’t wait to give Rich Mullins a hug in the kingdom one day. Thank you Lord for the music and wisdom from this amazing Raggamuffin Rich!

[@rachelk4012]

I was there that day! It was a treat. 😊

[@Linda-lo4oy]

I am so grateful for Ragamuffins Archive, "Rich Mullins" folks for providing these videos. My spirit was dry and dying for spiritual nutrients. This man's testimoney, his way of relating to the Lord and people is much like David, a man after God's own heart. I look forward to meeting him one day.

[@Lynnda86]

Amen!!

[@juliemedlin7443]

The man wrote profound lyrics! No one can compare!

[@sheliajayneadkins9582]

Amen

[@pinkyhope4248]

Julie that is a fact Rich Mullin was Annointed! Sing your praises was one of my late husbands favorites! I love it too!

[@ColonelStraker]

Partially agree. Rich's music, along with the incomparable Keith Green, forged the path .. my lifelong journey to follow King Jesus Christ. I was heartbroken, at both of their passings, while humbled at their lifelong passion for God. Loved their transparent talk about God, injecting a good sense of humor which, irrefutably, God Himself certainly has as well.

[@JesseBoggs-iq4bv]

Spent a week with Rich and team of youth speakers in southeast Kansas early 90s. Never will forget how God was at work through them.

[@gregrumpff5392]

MULLINS PORTION BEGINS 7:40 7:44 Sing Your Praise to the Lord 13:32 Here in America 22:35 The Love of God 26:56 We Are Not As Strong As We Think We Are 40:34 If I Stand

[@itsjkforreal]

Hey Listeners, like this so it can be near the top for people to see. @Greg - thanks.

[@TwylaPrice]

Thank you!!!!

[@johntobey1558]

He is so worshipful, even outside of his lyrics amd his extemporaneous speech. Praise God for this brother.

[@ColonelStraker]

The channel's author can PIN the time-line post ^

[@gwencourts2883]

I knew this man; he was amazing! I was blessed by his music. I knew him personally and wish he were still alive! But, I know he's in heaven and will see him there someday.

[@ARKenMan]

How did you know him Gwen? Would love to hear. Blessings

[@kerridoody9467]

I was talking to the Lord the other day, complaining a little I admit, about him going so early. He told me that rich really wanted to come home. He honored that.

[@LeaetteMcCalliste]

His music will carry on forever!!! I listen to it all the time.

[@gleesu]

Would love to hear how you two met. In today's speak, he would be viewed as a man with no filter.

[@mariammamathai8019]

You were so lucky- blessed I mean!

[@janetsteely]

I Love the line..” the reckless raging fury that they call the love of God!” Such a bold and powerful, jealousy protective and nurturing love from an Almighty King … how blessed we are to be wrapped in God’s loving kindness and protected by His fierce love and infinite mercy❤

[@hasbrobot]

Something within us writes these in hopes they will make it to the artist. So here goes, Thank you rich for your broken life, one which claimed to not be perfect. Thank you for embracing your faults and not hiding them. It's a reminder how imperfect each of us are and just how much we need the love of God in our lives. You are home with the Father but your life still says the example and points us to God. "So go out and live real good and I promise you'll get beat up real bad. But, in a little while after you're dead, you'll be rotted away anyway. It's not gonna matter if you have a few scars. It will matter if you didn't live." Rich Mullins

[@BettyShearer]

I was the choir director at Erlanger UMC when Rich was the youth group leader and my son was under Rich's watchful eye. We all knew he was special...when he played and/or sang you listened.

[@jgil1966]

this is my favorite video on KZbin I keep coming back every 3 months

[@rachel9725]

Me, too.

[@RanlamSeddit]

Sounds like a good practice.

[@BAW310]

it's deep waters

[@converseaccesstelevision1243]

Much thanks to Ragamuffin Archives.

[@JohnSmith-pm3yp]

I bought the Amy grant album just because Rich wrote the song. 🙂 Rich Mullins and Keith Green are my two favorite artists.

[@PapaPepper]

My two favorite too. They were raw, honest, passionate, and convicting. I'm glad their music lives on

[@reneemathews8195]

SAME

[@Lord9Genesis]

Apparently God was a big fan of both gentlemen as well, calling them home at young ages. Thank God He loaned them to us as long as He did... they were true Psalmists

[@JonOroMusic]

Me too!

[@tarahobson1525]

@@Lord9Genesis They both longed for Home so incredibly deeply that God answered.

[@barbaradamren6396]

This video is such a treasure. I love it so much more than recorded music with an orchestra. Rest in peace Rich Mullins. You and your music are timeless.

[@gwb3768]

I love his honesty about his own battles and struggles. Love him.

[@johntobey1558]

True discipleship.

[@JustAThought155]

I am listening to this as I mourn the death of a dear friend I met in Nashville two or three months after Rich's untimely death in 1997; she just died at 42 years old. I realize how a person's life is so influential once they are no longer with us. Despite the quirks, our lives are used by the Lord for his purposes when we are surrendered to him.

[@forerunner7]

Rich Mullins reminds me of Keith Green.. For these men, it wasn't about album sales, big stadiums, and fame.. They were raw and honest, even controversial.. It was about the broken and lost and the heart of God. The industry wanted to make them idols.. The complete opposite of what the God commands in his Word.. What would they think of today's churches, Christian Artists and Worship leaders?.. Because truth be told when we go see these worship bands, we are not really worshipping God, we are idolizing man amd giving THEM the glory.. not God, not really.

[@jgil1966]

it depends on the heart, i like many of Bethel and Hillsong tunes but i won't idolize them for that's not the heart God has given me.

[@coreyreeder2321]

I think you’re right about Rich and Keith. You should really check out Andrew Peterson. He’s today’s Rich Mullins, maybe even better.

[@johntobey1558]

Contrast that with Chris Tomlin.

[@thehappybridge2562]

Davida119 Maybe that's why God Rich Mullins and Keith Green died early..

[@tamera6853]

Good, But I say Keith reminds me of Rich.❤

[@sealyoness]

Here I am in this Now, and the prayer was a vivid reminder that we pray for those who treat us badly, we ask God to intercede, because God can see what we cannot. And so I rejoice on this beginning of Passover 2022, with Easter in front of us. And I rejoice that Rich Mullins found his voice in God, for the time we were blessed to hear him.

[@jennifernelson6000]

Rich Mullins had a way of putting into lyrics what we all want to know and probably sometimes think and wonder about Jesus. During conversation with the audience, he put the message of Jesus and the heart of Jesus out there in beautiful, breathing, living color and made it easy to understand in brilliant displays of talent and heart and he did it so humbly!

[@abyamibarroa1274]

What a down to earth person he was. I just saw the movie. I didn’t know his whole story until now. July 29 2020 during a pandemic time. What an awesome human being. Just ahúman who wanted to follow Jesus...with his doubts and fears and sadness, wow!

[@14_gailkathryn11]

Beware the movie is very distorted + does not reveal the real Rich we know + love= His LOVING Heart + Spirit is what matters most...What does not matter is a drink, a depressed day, a bank account balance, and all those other superficial things, that are constantly changing...

[@gleesu]

I watch the movie almost daily. Michael's performance really captured the intricate parts of Rich.

[@gleesu]

​@@14_gailkathryn11I am finding out how inaccurate his bio film really is, but there are some of his quotes which were carried from real life to the film, even if they were misplaced. That's why I watch the movie and the pieces of his music.

[@gregorymoore2877]

@@14_gailkathryn11 I found the movie to be very disappointing. The actor playing Rich looks nothing like him. I was hoping to see stories of how songs came to be and they barely used any of his songs. People around him seemed fictional. Where was Beaker? Where was Mitch McVicker? Where was Reed Arvin? I was hoping to see a depiction of Reed Arvin and little Allie who was always patiently waiting. Well... Amy Grant looked like Amy Grant, so I guess there's that. But, ultimately, this movie did not "take me there."

[@marshallbryant6816]

The music lives on in 2021!!

[@objectivitycave11]

he outshined us all. what a musician.. thank you Jesus Christ for taking this mere man and using him to serve your kingdom the best he could.. which was very good. i didn't even know him and there isn't a day that goes by i don't miss him..i hope i am not committing idolatry.

[@mrm64]

Not a SINGLE man in the CCM industry as real as this man....like how is he so REAL!??? Oh man...lol...

[@judycolson6047]

I agree. Dallas Holm and Andre Crouch two more.

[@timothydaugaard6457]

and Andrew Peterson.

[@terinaerb]

He ruined me for Christian concerts. He opened his Bible and read. He gave glory to the Lord. No accolades to himself. He was wearing a T-shirt and jeans - and I believe barefoot. Very unlike today's Christian music that sings more of broken man than God himself - and empty of the Word.

[@gregorymoore2877]

He grew up on a farm. I'm sure that's very helpful in getting a person to be real.

[@johntobey1558]

Thus musician was profound, I heard him later that year performing at Grace Chapel in Lexington, Ma. Harrod and Funk opened for him that night. He was on fire that night, true poet, pastor and some might say prophet. He was truly an expression of God's creativity harnessing his power in lyrics that keep you begging fir more of God's wisdom. Just am amazing spirit. So joyful amd so humble. What a great model he was for us when we were in our early 20's.

[@andrewcozad8081]

what an underrated pianist.

[@shantellek3242]

Rich Mullins and Keith Green are my favorite Christian piano players and singers!

[@haroldcampbell3337]

I agree and add Fernando Ortega to the list.

[@objectivitycave11]

unbelievable! i just started seriously studying the piano three months ago and i can play some Chopin, but i can't even come close to this

[@SamanthaAdalia]

I can relate! Been playing for two years, still on a basic level, but he's my role model. Hope you're doing better!

[@lifetodamax]

Seriously agree. What an opening! And he plays even when he's chatting; the piano is very conversational.

[@michaelcontreras148]

Great 👍 Christian and so down to earth. He used to go to Mass even on weekdays to be close to God. He had such a love for the liturgy. Rest In Peace my brother

[@hannahnewcomer431]

Michael Contreras I wish I could have known him. But through his music, I kind of feel like I do.

[@rachel9725]

Reckless, raging fury... I miss you, Rich.

[@ColonelStraker]

I have long believed that the recent Christian song with words "The wreckless love of God" was inspired by Rich's music.

[@coreyreeder2321]

Fans of Rich, if you loved the real honesty and sadness in his music, the deep emotion that he actually felt and didn’t just perform, you need to listen to Andrew Peterson. Listen now, thank me later.

[@bethanyrose7392]

I’m a younger listener, and I found Rich Mullins mostly because of Andrew Peterson. I just finished his book *Adorning the Dark* and then I sought out this live concert.

[@ImSuitsMe]

Wow! Thank you, I've never heard of Andrew Peterson.

[@jcsheese]

agree 100%...very similar. Is he worthy one my fav non R.M. song

[@hopezingg6592]

Yes, Andrew Peterson’s songs are honest and Real. I Love His music. Rich Mullins was one of a kind. God Blessed him. Blessed us with his music. I totally agree with you with Andrew Peterson, listening to him for years. Andrew Peterson is Rich Mullins number one fan. ThankYou and God Bless

[@gregorymoore2877]

Andrew Peterson does a song callled "Mary Picked the Roses." That's a song Rich started writing but I guess never finished. Andrew finished it and recorded it. Definitely listen to "Nothing To Say" in which Andrew sings "Rich is on the radio and I guess we ought to take it slow..."

[@lee-lee2418]

Wow! I wish he would have come to Moody Bible institute when I went there! 😊 What a blessing ...

[@TheFtm22]

I never got to see Rich during his earthly life so I am grateful for all of these concert videos. Same with Keith Green - I wasn't even a believer before he was called home. But they both touch my soul with their music and lyrics. Rich was a real person and that shines through. His way of speaking truth makes me think of how Jesus may have sounded in His days on earth.

[@lukerademan7528]

One Christian singer that is anointed and loves the Lord Jesus. And tells it as it is. We need Jesus evert moment of the day. Daily walk with him. Follow Jesus.

[@mattwhite7821]

I’m sorry but 22:54 😊LLC like a 😊😊

[@Tussuadsmeltdown]

I was born 12 years after he died but was lucky enough to have listened to Brothers Keeper on CD at a young age and he's stuck ever since. What a legend.

[@meganstackhouse474]

There aren’t many Christian artists that come close to his poetry, passion and authenticity. I miss him, Keith Green as well. Sarah Groves shares their quality of writing. Beckons me to a bigger faith, a more real dependence on God.

[@DebraSimonton]

Rich is powerpacked amazing blows me away I'm lifted up

[@andrew5184]

Okay… I never realized he was that accomplished of a pianist. I always thought he had studio musicians play that stuff. Maybe he did, but that he can play that stuff live… my mind is blown.

[@4Singrz1Family]

Just goes to show us all…never judge a person who walks into your church barefoot. He might just be a prophet. “It always cracks me up when people try to impress God because you don’t have to impress God…He’s already knocked out by you. And Picasso once said something that I really like, he said, “Good taste is the enemy of great art,” and I think that’s really true because good taste has everything to do with being cultured and refined and if art has to do with anything it has to do with being human. When I was a kid I was a typical depressed adolescent…people’d aleways come up to me and say, “cheer up…God loves you!” And I’d say, “Big deal…God loves everybody!” It don’t make me special…it just proves that God ain’t got no taste. And I don’t think that He does. And thank God. Because I think that God takes the messiness and the ugliness in our lives and He makes the most beautiful art in the world out of it. And if you were half as cultured and refined as most Christians wish you were, you would be useless to Christianity. But God is a wild man, and I hope that someday, you have the chance to encounter Him. But if you do, let me warn you because you better hold on for dear life…or let go for dear life…maybe that’s better.” Rich Mullins, Ragamuffin (movie)

[@toniharrington2851]

I loved Rich and his music he created. He was my hero who shared with me who the Lord was in the 1986-87 timeframe. I enjoyed all his concerts I got to go to. Thank you Jesus for sending Rich to this earth. We will see you in Heaven one day. Love Toni Harrington Pleasant Prairie,WI

[@everettsmith154]

Come as little children not to complicated, thanks Rich

[@cynthialauren8455]

I love you Rich!

[@thatman1970]

I’d like this on dvd

[@ColonelStraker]

7:40 The good bit begins. Rich's music, along with the incomparable Keith Green, forged the path .. my lifelong journey to follow King Jesus Christ. I was heartbroken, at both of their passings, while humbled at their lifelong passion for God. Loved their transparent talk about God, injecting a good sense of humor which, irrefutably, God Himself certainly has as well.

[@sherricoffman]

ThankYou4Sharing!!! ❤ 🕊 ⚜ ♦️🕯 MuchLove

[@Iamhis1]

So honest. What a breath of fresh air.😢 He is gone home. But not.

[@annemillenlongacre4462]

He was fantastic!!!

[@jerrybrewer4629]

Rich Mullins was so gifted. He knows who his lord.

[@chmael55]

Yet, took no credit for them, only to benefit financially on behalf of the needy. He's so unassuming, but lovely in the light of Christ! He surely made the most of his short life, in my opinion. I just love 💕 his 🎵🎶!

[@barbaragailbliss243]

I totally love his laugh near the beginning about eating the chocolate. And his take on Jesus playing with children is priceless. Of course, Jesus played with children! Although the Bible doesn't implicitly tell us that, there is a lot of logic in believing it. The fact that Rich would play in the mud with the kids at camp reveals his own joy of doing it.

[@traciannveno]

Wow Amen

[@ChristopherJWeeks]

About 19 minutes in “Life’s too short”, wow!

[@sweetpeaqueen1788]

WOW!!!! Can he play the piano. !!!!

[@thereseklopfenstein3398]

Such an odd duck, but so endearing, and so incredibly gifted!

[@nr1785]

He wasn’t odd he was real. Most people are so fake today that we can’t tell the difference.

[@thereseklopfenstein3398]

@@nr1785 I guess I believe he was both odd and real . I completely agree with your second sentence!

[@anitafaith1310]

Unique.

[@smlarsonmtu]

he is a weird ass :-) rich guy, he has gifts a king would covet. Wayne weirds him out and is weird Himself. to God alone be the glory. we are waiting for our homes in heaven (ie. the new heaven).

[@SELAHPAUSE]

Rich Mullins and Keith Green giants in my book

[@margeauxhamilton4925]

Rich’s life was cut short, perhaps so due to the depth of his emotional woundedness. The Lord eternally freed Rich of his hidden sorrows truthfully revealed in the Ragauffins movie

[@adamcbeck]

God, I miss him.

[@wyliemom3]

Its interesting to me that God took both Keith Green and Rich to heaven early in their life. They both were amazing song writers that glorified God. I've always wondered what Keith and Rich would think of America today. It has changed so much since the 80s and 90s.

[@dropkickmurphy4114]

Arrgh! What happened to the end song!? The video title says it's the FULL concert! 😞

[@BanquetNZ]

@6:26 intro ... @7:43 plays

[@jackstraw262]

Thank you, fine youtuber

[@WhistleblowerRIP]

Who visited the week before that caused such a raucous?

[@mountainman5025]

For all the political commentators here...I believe Rich Mullins, If he were to be a voter, would pray, and ask God for wisdom in voting in the best person for the job that fits today. He would probably consider their views, and persuasions. He would probably not vote party line, talk negative about the opposing candidates... He, like all of us was a sinner. He struggled like the rest of us with his own sins. He clearly loved the LORD. I believe he would probably ask each of those on this thread, to consider what they wrote, before they wrote it, then say something like "Keep it clean" or, "Be nice to each other", maybe he would look back and if he could pass a message from heaven, quote John 13: 33 “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come. 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

[@fifthoctave3483]

I would have tuned that piano for him.

[@thehappybridge2562]

Agree. Love Rich Mullins. Another anointed lyricist was Keith Green. Both died in crashes.. they were so precious. Why?

[@gleesu]

It was life and no one's fault. The Lord has already seen their ends and in their last moments, their souls were absent from their bodies to be present with Him. God would never WILL for His servants to die so young and in such a way. But they did. Their work here is done and those who loved them will continue the work for them.

[@gregorymoore2877]

Why? Bad decisions by both of them. I love both those guys, but they chose poorly at the end. Rich wanted to drive between shows even though he was exhausted. Keith overloaded his airplane. Smart people can do stupid things. But, the rest of us pay the price by having to endure their absence. 😢

[@dubyag4124]

Rich Mullins. Loved Jesus. Hated CCM. What a gift he is.

[@audioisgood]

They could have tuned that piano for him.

[@ybh8ful]

hahah! doesn't he make it sound good, though? :)

[@ChrisDarnellNZ]

I want to know more about the "prophet" controversy

[@StudioGalvan]

"It's not about what you do. It's about who you are." RM Me thinks Rich may have been a Closet Calvinist. 😅 ~ A wonderful interpretation of "You must be Born Again" starting right around 34:07 (I think). 🤓 I wonder if Jesus actually even said "Born Again" at all! According to some great scholars, that phrase in Greek can is also translated, "You must be Born From Above". In fact it is a time or two in scripture! That makes a lot more sense to me. We must be Born in the Flesh and Born of GOD! Nico seems to have taken the alternative interpretation, which Jesus then picks up to use as a picture lesson. Something he did masterfully. 🙏🏼

[@danielhoran6184]

Was this his last performance?

[@ExNihiloComesNothing]

His last concert was at a house concert in Elgin IL a few days before he died. It is on KZbin on Peter Kruse’s channel

[@janiewest9305]

So what would Rich Mullins think of the prosperity gospel?

[@clare8866]

Not so much....Amen?

[@lopear111]

@Deborah Bonney If you actually knew ANYTHING about Rich Mullins, not only did he loathe ALL politicians (and spoke openly in concert and in interviews about his contempt for them ALL), he was not a big believer in blind patriotism. Rich literally ONLY cared about JESUS, period. So take your political crap elsewhere.

[@xot98]

Rich Mullins enters this video at 7:41

[@ryanharbert2454]

@~20min mark: "Life is too short". Then Rich Mullins would go on to pass away a few months later. :(

[@gwb3768]

I’m a singer and no matter how much I try, I cannot seem to get down “if I stand” He switches from soprano to alto so effortlessly, as a female. That one is hard one for me. I’ll just keep practicing. I had the same issue with an Alanis Morrisette song. I think it’s harder to do when dealing with male vocals when you’re a female.

[@word18]

If you read what John 3 actually says, Jesus told Nicodemus that for a man to enter the kingdom of heaven he must be born again. To twist that into saying only Nicodemus had to be born again is pretty twisted.

[@elcu6256]

20:51

[@NoelleElyse]

30:35 and forward

[@mountainman5025]

I do hope he was kidding about the "Why must I be saved " thing...

[@codevii9063]

30:10 !!!

[@Yudit346]

Chappy K! 0:00-3:00

[@dropkickmurphy4114]

24:06 LOL!

[@johntobey1558]

Chaplain K. What an overly formal fellow. They need someone more inspirational in the 1990's. Threference to cults was not necessary. Mental illness is still mental illness. The Bible references are helpful though. Spirit if spiritual adoption through God's son Jesus.

[@bekaddisontechnologies4292]

The dude is far off worse than me. But he's close.

[@justingroff3682]

it is sad because i am only listening to this rich Mullins concert from Wheaton College BECAUSE of a TULIP Calvinist well former and now Atheist Derek Webb because i adore his albums especially Stockholm Syndrome and The Songs that Made Me but I hated i mean ABHORRED like detested like wanted to throw feces as Targets the target being Derek and my arrow being my own excrement

[@justingroff3682]

It is a shame because I love both you and Derek Webb's music and Caedmon's Call is my favorite Christian band to date even higher than the first concert I ever attended DC-TALK the Freak Show in Fredericksburg VG of course now i love better bands like my favorite Phish and DMB and other great Jazz that far surpasses Toby Mac and anything Christian Contemporary has to offer but LYRICALLY speaking CC was great and Derek loved YOU Rich so much that he called YOU the songs that made HIM as an artist but that tells me you both are unbelievers and if i have to articulate why just read my former post because Jesus can say something ONCE like Born again and mean it as if he said it 100 x 1 x in the WORD is fucking ENOUGH period This word has nothing for me and this world has every fucking thing all that Justin could want but nothing that i need And I need to be BORN AGAIN TO SEE THAT SHIT !!!!! That belief is supernatural that kind of faith is NOT TULIP but it is fucking Supernatural If you rich and Derek are secretly still closet Augustine LIARS so be it but I hate Calvin and his lies so i love the verse that says I must be reborn and if you think it cannot possibly mean anything real or truthful simply because Jesus only said it once and your parents highlighted and underlined it in YELLOW that is disturbing as fuck to me because it shows how cults like TULIP Jehovah's Witness 7th Day Adventists Mormons and the biggest in terms of money in America the Church of Scientology which is not even a church in terms of the definition of Webster but David Miscaviage was a real scum of a lawyer vulture and greedy whore that loves manipulation and getting rid of his wife by murder and throwing away the key and he is according to his father and myself the epitome of LILLIAN and RUTHLESS Business practices only in love w money and his own cock he murdered his own wife think about that shit and Katie Holmes the woman Tom jumped up and down on Oprah's couch for now divorced her gee i wonder why that shit happened could it be a cult CALLED Scientology or in the case of Derek Webb and Rich Mullins TULIP Augustine and Calvin Determinism cult that says Jesus is secretly in cahoots w the devil and evil is really just a made up construct what a load of garbage

[@Puddlewiggle]

Justin, I can't claim to understand what you wrote, but I would like to. Am I right that there's lots of anger expressed?

[@Puddlewiggle]

I think I need to find your former post to maybe understand

[@Puddlewiggle]

I think I found them all (You Tube was jumbling orders until I turned off "Top" for comments.) You seem passionate about scripture (a trait shared with Rich)... But it feels like passion drowned in the seasoning of anger, betrayal, hatred, and vitriol so much that the two are hard to separate and identify. I think I've been feeling some of the anger and betrayal myself recently and I've had a very hard time keeping perspective. CCM artists and wonderful book authors "deconstructing" their faith and calling evil good and good. As much as I've learned not to I still struggle with putting people on pedestals. I built them high... So when they fall... And it's not enough to just step back, they need to "deconstruct" their faith, and by implication, the faith of whomever trusted them. Sorry. Babbling. Just want to understand where you're coming from.

[@justingroff3682]

i had to stop watching this video at 32 minutes in because Rich said some shit that is just UN biblical lies as i highlighted earlier and makes me mad to repeat so look at my first post

[@ExNihiloComesNothing]

As someone who loves scripture, perhaps you can listen to this passage “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭29‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Not sure if any hearers are edified by your posts here.