Richard's Infamous Mosswood Dreadknight Modern Deck | Much Abrew

[@JackPowerX]

It's important to remember that when CFB did their "Top 10 cards we won't miss" after Khans rotated out of Standard, Siege Rhino was, like, number 4, but number one was "The second Siege Rhino"

[@richardsmith9615]

🤣

[@chapeldweller]

The balls of the fairies opponent telling Seth to hurry up in such a crucial part of a close game. Glad Seth was able to pull out the win on that one. Get rekt fairies player.

[@psymar]

Maybe they didn't realize he had an actual decision to make and merely decided to express this in the most obnoxious way possible. Or maybe they're a jerk. You sign up for a Magic Online match, you've just agreed to give your opponent 50 minutes. No takebacks.

[@OtherSideLLC]

Faeries opponent: "Can you play faster" then takes like a full minute to concede

[@JakeFish113]

Seth is a saint for not copy and pasting the same response back to the opponent when they started salty roping. I would not have the patience for that

[@daktastik]

**plays tempo control deck** "Why don't people play faster??"

[@OtherSideLLC]

@@JakeFish113 also like it's MTGO if they waste their time they'll lose. It's not like paper where it ends up in a draw.

[@JFlynn1207]

MTGO players are the saltiest

[@oafkad]

​@@JFlynn1207 You should check out Arena.

[@flok.1780]

I think the One Ring should be a pre restricted card. Like from the release it should have been only, well, one ring allowed. Hits flavor and balances it since you can't play a second one to deny the damage.

[@R1138]

Should be errata’d to a deck may only contain one The One Ring

[@PeteDoesGames]

Only 3 rhinos feels like blasphemy. They always come in packs!

[@domri4203]

Yeah the first one wasn't the problem.

[@Pallix2]

They come in Crashes!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Rhino tron assembled

[@Vuurgeest]

I'm just surprised it wasn't Sheoldred in that spot

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

This deck reminds me of how good Modern used to be

[@wittmoneyman]

It's just another testimate that it's pointless to try to build modern decks without Modern Horizon cards.

[@stevenyukabacera160]

​@@wittmoneyman Excited for the next Modern rotation with MH3

[@draconocor]

@@stevenyukabacera160 I've been referring to it as a format rotation with my friend group for months now. It's an ironic statement but also I'm kind of excited for MH3... I've already accepted that the format is just MH tribal but at least mh2 might get pushed out

[@Nic1700]

​@draconocor1309 I kind of wish they would lean into the semi-rotating idea. If a card was standard legal, it's always Modern legal unless banned. A new MH set will come out every few years pushing out the old set. That way new MH sets don't have to be quite so juiced to make an impact, and old standard cards don't need to compete with quite so many cards. If they really like an MH card just reprint it in the next one.

[@TestName286]

Based. Arena Zoomers nowadays will never understand how fair and clean magic really aught to be. None of this free spells bs.

[@Laevus2321]

Seth loving his Rhinos and saying "Where's our Panharmonicon?" makes me think we should get a Rhino Roaming Throne brew at some point with some ridiculous jank like Stonehorn Dignitary.

[@DerplingKing]

Between SNC having a few and OTJ adding Railway Brawler, there might be enough to make something work? It'd be pretty slow or you'd have to break theme to have some kind of early creatures. Does Stonehorn Diplomat work with Roaming Throne? Doesn't it just skip the same combat phase twice? Or does it delete that phase in their next turn, trigger again and hit the one after that?

[@pollifpj]

Good to see faerie players are still as big of salt mines as they were during Lorwyn standard.

[@SventFulgur]

Seth: "The Yawmoth deck is a lot less scary without Yawg" Yawg Deck: *Proceeds to show you all the other reasons you shouldn't count the deck out by only removing Yawg with no pressure*

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, apparently Yawg is still pretty good without Yawh.

[@brownout100]

Yerm, apparently Yarn is still pretty good without Yowg.

[@swampybwoy]

Yeah the deck is great against you when you only draw lands 😅😂

[@JonReid01]

😂😂😂😂​@@brownout100

[@jessievohsen6686]

As a man who started magic during khans standard, i love every part of this. Rhino is my boy

[@person3176]

would love to see a post game commentary with Richard, where he gives input on plays and why certain cards are good.

[@nathanjohnson5088]

This deck is so fun t0 watch! This reminds of the famous 2015 protour filled with abzan where every match was interesting and intricate. So different than the games of modern where both players reveal their hands on the first two turns and we see who wins lol. The fact that the opponent just wanted you to play faster in the faeries game instead of enjoying the crazy close match says it all lol!

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's super nostalgic, always fun to see Siege Rhino win a game or two.

[@nilsbossiusklintenberg3623]

Excited! Been waiting to see this since Richard talked about it on the podcast! 😁😁

[@erichluepke855]

Maybe it's never played anymore, but if you run into SaffronOlive with 1 WBG up I think you might know what to expect.

[@scottcampbell9515]

Yeah the Crime//Punishments should be in the board. I would replace those with 1 more Prismatic Ending, and 1 Grist as it works well with Mosswood Dreadknight. Maybe even go up to 2 of those by cutting the Vindicates replacing 1 with the 2nd Grist, and the other 2 with Anguished Unmaking to deal with that damn ring. Hallowed Moonlight in the board would also be good vs Yawgmoth, Rhinos, Living End, and (a deck making a comeback) Creativity.

[@koenvandepoll927]

Can we get an interview with Richard on the deck, the games Seth played and other lines he could have taken? Or better yet, can we get a video on Richard piloting the deck? I know Richard doesn't usually post video's of just himself playing, but this would be a perfect opportunity!

[@spoopyboi1882]

the creatures that were meta when i started playing this game returning to the formats is such a calming nostalgia trip, i love it

[@SilverAlex92]

Yes! I wanted to see this since the podcast came off! Thanks for playing this deck

[@DuckandDuctTape]

Seeing this deck in action makes me wish there was an old school modern format, something that allows only cards from before some set (I'd pick modern horizons one, personally). I miss that era of modern so much...

[@capitalg6]

That game 1 was CLEAN!

[@Nopenotyou]

Honestly I’m still playing that budget Abzan Reanimator deck you had posted up a couple of years ago with Siege Rhinos. It’s budget so I’m not trying to run it into top tier decks but it’s still fun.

[@ther3aper561]

I've been waiting for this! Crim did a pretty good timeless version yesterday and I loved it so much

[@IM-xg2ki]

Please PLEASE more modern and timeless! :D

[@bensteinhauser784]

This deck seems like it would be significantly better positioned in pioneer. (Yes, I know that there would have to be some changes but Mosswood Dreadknight, Siege Rhino, Liliana, and more are all pioneer legal)

[@ConManAU]

Seth complains about Richard not knowing how to play Rhinos properly, but at least he included them in the deck.

[@pokclaymonmaster5286]

I have a very similar deck to this! Gotta say, there are definitely cards Richard plays that I wouldn’t. Still performed well for what it is

[@drock91abr]

Seth starts playing like it's 2015 and he starts having flashbacks to getting snapcaster mages thrown at him

[@hiimemily]

For me, the clearest comparison for Mosswood Dreadknight is Tenacious Underdog: a 3/2 for 2 that recurs and replaces itself for an extra 2 mana.

[@domri4203]

Yeah but Mosswood is only 1 damage to draw and the 4 mana can be split between turns. Not to mention you don't have to sac it eot.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​@@domri4203the downside for that is that you have to recur it the turn after it dies or else you lose it

[@domri4203]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle I have rarely had that be a problem. It not dying so I can draw has.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@domri4203 I've played a few games that have been decided by the opponent deciding to recast it instead of playing on curve

[@Xoulrath_]

​@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandleso if I've got a Sheoldred on turn four, then yeah, I'm casting the Sheoldred lol. A player misusing the card doesn't make the card bad. Dreadknight should be dropped on two without question in a deck like this one. Apply pressure and force the opponent to respond or slowly chip away at them. If they do respond, and don't have exile effects, then one has the OPTION to draw a card the following turn for 1B. IF that is the best course of action, then obviously it should be done. If that is NOT the best move based on the opponent, their deck, and the gamestate at that exact moment, then it should not be done, again, obviously. But this is an entirely different discussion because that comes down to player skill. It's no different than knowing when you have to kill a creature versus just ignoring it, or taking damage. It's just game and meta experience.

[@douglasarnett-arnold1516]

Finally crim has been talking sooo much about this on twitch. Yassss. Let’s test!!!

[@recusantvessel]

Gross

[@bradjones9784]

Budget Brew deck... 4x Tarmagoyf, 8 fetch lands, 4x Thoughtseize... What a time to be alive.

[@ther3aper561]

I can't believe we live in a world where those cards come out to only $440

[@Terry.M.I.]

on arena ive been running the amalia wildgrowth seige rhino combo its been really fun think it would be great in to try and combine these two decks i didnt know about vendicate so thanks for showing me a new card to add atm i got anguish unmaking there atm vendicate is just the better version of anguish xD i also get to run my favorite mtg card of all time journey to eternity so thats a plus

[@Xoulrath_]

I love Vindicate, but it's better in a more control oriented deck that doesn't mind tapping out and not playing threats. It also hurts being sorcery speed. I actually run a playset in an Esper control deck that I have and they are great. But all that deck does is react to my opponent, remove all threats, and then win once I've taken control of the board. It's meant to win late. A deck like the one that Seth played needs to be consistently getting out the Rhino by turn 4, and pressuring the opponent. Part of that is removal, but it needs to be far cheaper that 3 mana.

[@dimensionalineage]

Culling Ritual or Gaze of Granite > Punishment. Gaze is programmable to avoid hitting your 2-mana Goyf or Ooze. Or wipe everything, including your own creatures as well as Grist. That is certainly an option. Though I admire the 3 maindeck Vindicate, the absence of Maelstrom Pulse is an indefensible omission. A single copy at minimum is plenty sensible. It can act as a pseudo-sweep against like permanents, like multiple constructs or amulets, 2- or 3-for-one's.

[@zeez145]

Oooooooh I've been waiting for this video, that podcast was legendary!

[@justgeo4288]

Do you know what exact episode it was? I remember hearing it but don't know which exact one it was.

[@michaelsilk275]

Now I want to rebuild my somnifore deck to black/green. I’m running some interesting combos with adventure creatures.

[@MasterCrvo]

Oh, I'm HERE for THIS.

[@AutkastKain]

Yes! I've been waiting for this!

[@tbaggins5349]

I just imagine the opponent at 3 seeing the 2nd siege rhino and just going WAIT WAIT WAIT.

[@עידונוימן-ט9פ]

Can Richard comment about why rhino over sheoldred?

[@Tristyn_Waterman]

This deck is actually fantastic! Seeing a fair deck hold its own is so vindicating. Abzan midrange is the best!

[@thecrazycapn]

Crime and Punishment is also a smashing against Hammer Time. Takes out: Hammers, Sentinels, Gingerbrute, Giver, Sigarda's Aid, Drum, Shadowspear. Or takes out all the Karn-structs and Sagas, if needed.

[@Dont_13link85]

If Rhino is good in Modern, then imagine how amazing it'd be in Pioneer?

[@micah3030]

There were a couple copies at the top tables at RC Atlanta in the yorion fires lists.

[@gamermancrygamer9461]

Are all the boomer cards really the best options for those slots or are they just there for nostalgia? Liliana the last hope seemed bad to me idk, why not just run Grist? Also, maybe actual Jund would be better with how much busted stuff red has. Is it not still jund if you run 4 copies of Fable?

[@Xoulrath_]

They had to have been for nostalgia. I don't think that Liliana of the Veil is worth playing anymore either. Truthfully, I've been less than impressed with it for years now. It's certainly probably Pioneer playable, but for my mono-Black Pioneer deck, I run Dark Realms. As for Grist, Seth even said that the deck should probably be running it. Maybe we can see the future evolution of this deck in another video down the road.

[@shanegedekoh121]

22:06 great point. feel the same :)

[@xMOJOxJDOG]

Siege rhino is the truth. I made a rhino blink deck, and it's so fun. Half the time, I don't even need to attack.

[@moonlight_scribe]

It always makes me shake my head when someone complains that you are "wasting time thinking" during a strategy game that is non linear.

[@hoythedrick7870]

gaze of granite is the way to go for main board board wipe, yes it exiles but its a worth while trade off

[@ericdaniello5659]

*tear asunder is visible on screen* Seth: we don’t have an answer to One Ring Classic Seth

[@Infernoblade1010]

Rhino doing work almost 10 years later!!

[@danielwang7661]

richard is a genius

[@LVL99Totodile]

My opinion is that siding out prismatic ending against Titan is a huge mistake, it's your cleanest answer to amulet which is the key card in their deck

[@noobtube2799]

This is an awesome channel, glad you hit 300k!

[@kylegonewild]

I see where Crime and Punishment is supposed to perform but it seems its best job is just 2 mana wipe tokens. Like a more restrictive Pernicious Deed.

[@joshbaker8767]

X=1 seems strong vs Hammer and Delver for example.

[@MaxMckayful]

Which podcat ep did Richard talk about this deck on?

[@abrahamthayer4059]

aside from the memes, there can't be any upside to playing seige rhino over sheoldred right?

[@Why-Fi048]

Trample maybe

[@kbeadle23]

​@@Why-Fi048 and non legendary

[@SventFulgur]

And drains right away

[@samanthalouise641]

Which can be very relevant. If it’s killed before your turn ends it has done nothing. Don’t get me wrong sheoldred is great but I’ve been running. B/g with her in the sideboard because of that lack of immediate impact. It’s standard deck so not modern

[@doormatt72]

there are upsides to rhino, but there are bigger downsides. sheoldred is just a better card 90+% of the time. so i'd say yes, it's a meme. that doesn't mean that people aren't going to love to see it.

[@Tyrisalthan]

I feel like this deck should have maelstrom pulses. Maybe cut one crime/punishment and two vindicates for pulses, and you have 3 pulses that would have helped in couple of losses there. For example it would have been able to deal with Grist, and those 3 amulets in the last game would all been dealt with one card. It would also be good against rhino tokens, and karnstructs made by urza's saga. Against several ward creatures like those faeries you only need to pay for one ward since the copies don't target. And you just randomly get those 2 for 1 values when they happen to play second copy of a threat. I wonder why nobody play pulses. I play 4 copies in my abzan, and they are great. I am pretty much always happy to draw them, since pulse is such an universal card that it always seem to have something good to target.

[@NathanBullock-w9n]

I have a modern great henge deck with four copies of moss wood dread night the deck runs awesome against some of the top decks

[@trickster20644]

I was gonna say Pernicious Deed would make more sense than Crime//Punishment, but then I looked it up and for some reason, I thought Pernicious Deed was one of the cards reprinted in MH2, but I was wrong.

[@psychozen7169]

Opp agent would be good along with that olaneswalker

[@alexandrelima2766]

These 3 siege rhino should basically be 3 sheoldred and those crime punishment should just be EE's and go to the side

[@v-niftytrickster4166]

Gaze of Granite in place of Crime//Punishment Seth?

[@darksideofthesand]

Heres the thing, on older formats you eventually see true control get edged out in just about all of them at some point because, as Crim would say, everything is an Avengers level threat. In a certain way the same thing happens with midrange decks, because similar to a control deck they want to stay interacting and having awnsers for thw opponent. The difference is the control decks with by always staying ahead of the opponent untill they get thier engine online and kill you, midrange is banking that they are better from behind than the opponent. The problem here though is that nothing the opponent is doing safe. You can let them resolve an amulet, or thiet dryad, or thier titan or thier urzas saga, its too much. Midrange decks thrive on packing as much genericly good awnsers and threats as possible to win, but in the current age of magic there is too much to hate on. So you have to either add a combo beside your midrange plan to win from out of nowhere, like Yawgmoth, or you need to beable ensure that you can always get the perfect hate peices for every match up, which actually i guess is also what Yawgmoth does. All of this to say i think the deck needs tutors and to have a toolbox package. At first though Im thinking diabolic intent, because then you can sac the mosswood to tutor and then also recurr it to draw a card but idk if thats worth it since most games you want to play what you tutored for the same turn. Either way I think a toolbox would go a long way for this deck since you have access to white which has some of the best lock pieces. Like being able to tutor up and stick a grafdiggers cage stops 90% of what yawg is trying to do, chalice on 0 stops the cascade decks, titain is honestly just a bad match up because there basically a ramp deck, that said a combination of necromentia, damping sphere and targeted hate for artifacts can pick apart there game plan, though valakut is still an issue if the game goes too long.

[@kurowasanabe]

At this point I'm convinced Richard named his son Tarmogoyf.

[@florianinhoffen9212]

Seth, from one man to another: your skin is fkn marvellous

[@jameshayes-barber9340]

Seth and Krim keeping the tradtion of playing the same deck slightly tweaked

[@guilhermeribeiromichelino3852]

I don't know if this deck is legit But I know that it is very, very fun to watch those types of games

[@7deuc2e38]

What card is doothi voidwalker?

[@AC3handle]

DIdnt cri run the same thing a couple days ago?

[@astrowerm]

Gaze of granite is probably what you thought crime//punishment was Seth lol

[@zachgray4767]

"If Punishment was X or less, that would be a real card." cries in Gaze of Granite

[@yan00155]

13:29 Boseiju can destroy the Reflection...

[@octopowned]

I want to get "Is this deck actually good???" tattooed on my forehead

[@PlanetAstronox]

Could use some more Siege Rhinos

[@MrShinyObject]

Punishment would actually have been really good against double sleep-cursed fae. 3 mana and you don't have to pay the ward.

[@1997Awesomedude]

15:25 Somehow in all the times I've seen vindicate, I've never noticed that it doesn't say "nonland"

[@bofaybaykweh]

I would like to point out that match 5 was winnable. Choosing to take the one ring over dryer on turn 1 was a game losing punt. Drawing 2-4 cards in amulet doesnt matter if they can si ply resolve dryad and kill you. Game 2, collector ouphe does significantly less than prismatic ending stopping the amulet nut draws. I consider this likely 3/2 if you had played a bit tighter. Cheers!

[@Chubbies34]

Back to back siege rhino days? What year is it ?🎉🎉😂

[@phatpeople1234]

Amulet Titan is the new Kiki Jiki combo

[@RatRatham]

Commenting to help the algo because modern is still the best format.

[@InsertCleverNameHere0]

I honestly have no clue why Richard is running Crime/Punishment in the main deck, that screams "sideboard card"

[@nasur86]

one more mana you can use utter end. it would exile the one ring

[@eliisaac]

Richard must really have B*%ER for this deck, he had you and Crim play it this week! lol

[@Malik1378]

I love decade old modern decks 😊 prefer them, even

[@DoctorTako]

Idk about Modern, but Mosswood has felt decent in Explorer BGx decks

[@doormatt72]

yeah, the power discrepancy between modern and pioneer is very dramatic though.

[@Xoulrath_]

It's hard to get the best use out of a card when it's played wrong lol.

[@akselor]

We need to have Seth on thumbnail !!!

[@nvvv_]

1:07:33 and he doesn't mention us Murktide players. Because no one likes our deck, no one likes playing against our deck, but everyone can admit our shit is at least "fair". The most egregious game action we do is play an 8/8 flier for 2 mana. Which... come on. It's a cool Dragon.

[@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147]

A 8/8 flier for 2 is pretty egregious, but in the face of the rest of mh2 I guess it's okay

[@Xoulrath_]

An 8/8 Flyer for two mana fair...😂

[@bigwig8657]

Richard and his Jund 2 drops

[@cloudmane4159]

Minus a few lands and prismatic ending, we have all these cards on arena. SETH, PORT MORE MODERN DECKS TO ARENA

[@tonsofsodium6641]

I think I found my modern deck. What's next, the return of Thragtusk?

[@pummppkinn]

No Verdant Catacomb's seems very odd. 🤨

[@pummppkinn]

I think Richard was high when he built this Mana base 😂

[@ODIRGO]

The only thing that I noted is that the Mosswood was almost always a dead card. The same happened in Crim's Timeless version of this deck. I know it had its momments to shine, but most of the time just stayed in hand with nothing to help the boardstate.

[@Xoulrath_]

The Dreadknight is meant to be played aggressively. Drop a 3/2 Trampler on two, then start putting on the pressure. If it dies, then you worry about casting it for the card draw to get it back on the battlefield. So many players make the mistake of the "card advantage trap." It doesn't matter if you have seven cards in hand if they are all lands. Dreadknight should be played turn two every time that it's in hand on turn two.

[@lesternomo6578]

it is just not a good modern card, way too slow. it will only be good in the situations where you run out of cards and have nothing else to do because youre playing a bad deck with mosswood dreadknight. i say this loving the card for what it is and love playing it in standard

[@danielpomeroy9887]

3 one rings in hand 😂 what a reveal!

[@ilyafoskin]

Did Richard break modern… by adding Dreadknight to an Abzan Siege Rhino list? I don’t know if that counts as a big enough change to break a format

[@MrBurrito]

Siege Rhinos? Alright, I'm in.

[@TheREALTheRealAdam]

Am I crazy or is Legion's End obviously the superior option over Crime and Punishment?

[@adamminniear3984]

Legion's End only hits creatures, so maybe that's the justification. I agree that I'd rather play Legion's End, but they're both inferior to Engineered Explosives.

[@tony.v]

Hello Siege Rhino old friend 😃

[@Leth0710]

I would recommend to have Maelstrom Pulse in main deck and sweeper like Damnation in SB to deal with deck like Creature toolbox, Merfolck or deck running Urza Saga

[@RumpledNutskin]

No bowmasters in the 75 feels like a crime. It seems like it would ve the only way to beat opposing one rings

[@alexrocks00000]

Richard definitely bought 700,000 copies of Dreadknight and is panicking.

[@egon4564]

Is there a historic version of this deck?