292 CLIFFORD INTAKE UPGRADE

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

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@ChipsAndSparksGarage
@ChipsAndSparksGarage 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe only 20 HP, but the bling of that Clifford is good for the self esteem of that little Six.
@scoutdogfsr
@scoutdogfsr 4 жыл бұрын
292c.i.d or 4.9 liter is not really small. Not big, but not really small either.
@needmetal3221
@needmetal3221 4 жыл бұрын
20 horse n.a. is respectable
@ChipsAndSparksGarage
@ChipsAndSparksGarage 4 жыл бұрын
@@scoutdogfsr I had a 63 Falcon with only 144 cid. Now, that was small @ less than half the size of the 292. I should have said, small, relative to the other two motors, in this “Other Guys” trio.👍
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 4 жыл бұрын
@@hendo337 heck yea , it shows how much of a choker the stock one is.
@scottworelds2933
@scottworelds2933 4 жыл бұрын
20 HP is a lot at 150hp
@AaronCoyRacing
@AaronCoyRacing 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the 292 content
@Tanner731
@Tanner731 4 жыл бұрын
I hope the 292 content means the jeep 258 and 4.0 are coming in the future
@guyconnell2250
@guyconnell2250 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the cam/head upgrades
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
none of what you just said is accurate
@lb9gta307
@lb9gta307 4 жыл бұрын
@@theeoddments960 he just got this engine last month
@joncloud2114
@joncloud2114 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 I'd like to see you build a BBF to run on propane and then turbo it. .. I think it would be a cool project.
@kendalesechler391
@kendalesechler391 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Holdener but the turbo on with the 4 barrel manifold and see how that turns out
@w41duvernay
@w41duvernay 4 жыл бұрын
Now you can take advantage of a cam swap in. I am curious what year is the 292 is from. Low compression version will make cam swap harder.
@jimrohrer2751
@jimrohrer2751 4 жыл бұрын
Really love this series. Some of the other "other guys" are kind of a no brainier.... The Buick, Pontiac, Cleveland stuff, etc. They all made massive power in their day. This little guy.... He was worked, tortured, pushed... The love he ever got was an oil change... If that!!! Great stuff you're doing. I can't wait to see a 300 up there. I know I'm not alone. 👍
@christianallen9653
@christianallen9653 4 жыл бұрын
I really want to see how Tom's intake manifold does. I love watching you mess with this 292 and it's fun to see how she does
@charleskelley5400
@charleskelley5400 4 жыл бұрын
Yes me too I got one in going to put on my 250
@gadgetmanhookupify
@gadgetmanhookupify 4 жыл бұрын
@@charleskelley5400 how did it go? I'm debating on the Clifford. Only because I don't want to add hot water for heat.
@lonnieopp8198
@lonnieopp8198 4 жыл бұрын
now for a nice rebuild, higher compression mild port and mild cam
@ypop417
@ypop417 4 жыл бұрын
When I was racing in a class that only aloud 255 CI 6 cylinders we would cut out the bolt boss on the intake and use cap screws this improved the airflow quite a bit. (used pipe plugs to plug the tops)
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever 3 жыл бұрын
@@ypop417 what do you mean I have a 292 and I want to do this.
@markrein7282
@markrein7282 4 жыл бұрын
Now you need to do a similar test with a 300 cu inch Ford I6.
@dannoyes4493
@dannoyes4493 4 жыл бұрын
I'm finding this more interesting than most engines.
@InuranusBrokoff
@InuranusBrokoff 4 жыл бұрын
There's something special about those old sixers. Love the way they sound at idle.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 9 ай бұрын
Long motors, for long runs? Have had a Chev and Dodge with long motors - the Chev was a smaller one that looked like this one, and the Dodge leaned over…
@kylemilligan752
@kylemilligan752 4 жыл бұрын
I've never owned a chevy 6 but this is great tech Mr Holdener!!!!! A great hands-on fabrication and dyno experiment!!!! Thank You Sir!!!!
@DG-ox6bg
@DG-ox6bg 4 жыл бұрын
All petrol heads love the sound of a revving engine! Dyno runs Rock! Keep them coming 👌
@xmo552
@xmo552 4 жыл бұрын
🐊
@timdontwannasay5889
@timdontwannasay5889 4 жыл бұрын
All eye openers! I'm all ls but I was raised on a lot if these "other guys" and this Channel has been changing my mind on what they could take!
@normansilver905
@normansilver905 Жыл бұрын
I have one on a Chevy 261 6 using a EFI Throttle body. It is a gem. The Clifford products I have purchased are all top quality well designed and built.
@samb198055
@samb198055 4 жыл бұрын
I had 1970 nova straight 6 with 2 speed bought 1800 dollars in 1996 I like the stockness but to get it to burn out I told my pen pal from Australia what I like to do get it to burn out and keep it stock. My pen pal got me Aussie speed intake and I purchased a Paxson super charger kit. It sounded like a mad tractor but it would do burn outs for ever.
@seanfagan6998
@seanfagan6998 4 жыл бұрын
The ford inline 6 4.9 needs to be in your hands on the dyno
@Brock_Landers
@Brock_Landers 4 жыл бұрын
Man I can't wait to see how that 292 does with a Comp cam, a good port and polish on the head, maybe some oversized valves, that Clifford intake, and that 650 Holley. I think it'll be a strong inline six.
@patrickholt4140
@patrickholt4140 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Haven’t always liked the inliners but I’ve gained an appreciation for them over the last few years BRING BACK THE INLINES
@bobgyetvai9444
@bobgyetvai9444 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 76 Nova back in the day with a 250 6cyl , 292 dump truck exhaust manifold , a Offy intake with a 390 cfm Holley and a curved distributor . Sounds crazy but it won many a race WAY OUT of its imagined abilities . Newer Trans Ams , Z-28s , 302 Mustangs all stock got a view of my tail lights . I never could understand why .......???
@grantmiller5921
@grantmiller5921 4 жыл бұрын
Next up Buick straight 8.
@jacobmoses3712
@jacobmoses3712 4 жыл бұрын
That would be kind of scary, given how long the crankshaft is but there is a guy who runs one at Bonneville
@grantmiller5921
@grantmiller5921 4 жыл бұрын
Jacob Moses the bonneville car is what peak my interest. Cool motor and I’m curious about its potential.
@Geoduck.
@Geoduck. 4 жыл бұрын
By far this is one of the more useful dyno videos I've seen for the inline 292. My guess is headers, intake, carb and cam are all needed to make a real improvement. Improving head flow is gonna cost some real money but it would build on what ever is done before. Improving an inline is gonna cost you. Thank you Richard.
@johncooper9976
@johncooper9976 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, it did, I have over 7 bills in the head alone.
@saludahead
@saludahead 3 жыл бұрын
A buddy of mine found a head off of a Blue Flame years ago and modified it to fit a 292 many years ago when such things were easy to find in the junk yard and weren't worth their weight in gold! We put it in a a 65 C10 it did real good!
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I always wondered how hard it would be to do that!
@AreaThirteenThirteen
@AreaThirteenThirteen 4 жыл бұрын
Some of the engines may be old but this content never gets old...please keep these tests coming!👍👍😎😎
@rfschaum
@rfschaum 4 жыл бұрын
Im running a holley 390 4 barrel, with a offenhauser intake and headman headers. 650 cfm is way to big for a 250 or 290 inline. Also running msd. Other upgrades that help these engines is a port lumps head kit that removes the bolts in the intake runners and the typical cam and larger valves.
@TyphoonVstrom
@TyphoonVstrom 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, a 390 or 465 is great on a mild six.. Really helps driveability as well, gets rid of that lean spot Richard saw with the big 2bbl.
@jimmywilkinson9190
@jimmywilkinson9190 4 жыл бұрын
Two Bro in the early 80s we built a 6=8 chevy 6 with 2-650 Holleys and headers. I put bigger seats .
@shawnbeck2303
@shawnbeck2303 4 жыл бұрын
The Ford 300 6 cylinder. With upgraded head and cam with the Clifford intake 4 barrel and headers. I had a Jasper rebuilt that I wanted to do to my 1981 F 100. But a new house and life got in the way. Maybe a 302 build was what I really needed. Never know. But the Jasper rebuld engine was a good choice. I drove that truck until everything else broke or fell off of it. Donated it for a good cause. In the late 90's. Shawn.
@wesleycollins9547
@wesleycollins9547 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a ford 300i 6
@CraftsmanQuad19
@CraftsmanQuad19 4 жыл бұрын
It’s coming
@DeanMk1
@DeanMk1 4 жыл бұрын
@@CraftsmanQuad19 How about a 292 vs. 300 shootout? -b
@CraftsmanQuad19
@CraftsmanQuad19 4 жыл бұрын
DeanMk1 thats most likely coming too because of their similar displacement
@DeanMk1
@DeanMk1 4 жыл бұрын
@@CraftsmanQuad19 You're the man! I'll keep an eye out for it. =)
@jumpsuite
@jumpsuite 4 жыл бұрын
hey slant six do it
@ryanmalin
@ryanmalin 4 жыл бұрын
I told a couple mechanic friends about you and everyone who sees your stuff is impressed. You're the man Rich!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
thnx
@barryobler9491
@barryobler9491 4 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to have been able to get an aluminum Sissell cylinder head and better cam for that thing!
@rhostatton8944
@rhostatton8944 3 жыл бұрын
...does Sissell still make Chevy inline 6 heads??
@barryobler9491
@barryobler9491 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhostatton8944 I am not 100% sure, I can check with Mike and see if he has any left.
@randybaca6132
@randybaca6132 2 жыл бұрын
I got a 1927 Ford I put a a Clifford intake with a 450 carburetor and headers it runs really fine I've never had it done it's got a 350 turbo automatic anyway I love it runs great thanks for all the info
@terrywillis5784
@terrywillis5784 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 1964 C10 with a factory 230 ci. I upgraded with hooker headers and an Offenhauser 4 barrel intake with an adapter and a 500 cfm holley. I upgraded the cam to the equivalent of a big block Chevy 375 horse 396 which was 500 lift and 290 duration. Factory 3 speed and 411 gears. It ran great. I often outran v8 Mustangs and other v8 cars. It would float the valves at 100 mph. Looking back I needed more valve spring. I worked with what I had.
@GreatLakesLogger
@GreatLakesLogger 4 жыл бұрын
I really like this series. Most of the time I would be bored with this little power 😜
@aggie91kuenemann76
@aggie91kuenemann76 4 жыл бұрын
Love too see this kinda testing. Back in the ‘80’s-early ‘90’s I ran a Chevy 6 with the Clifford stuff and a comp cam.
@chrisobrien9334
@chrisobrien9334 4 жыл бұрын
This motor your doing is the bigger brother of our(Australian) Holden 6. Our 202 has been developed so much over the years that now some are doing 450na and 600+ boosted. Love ya work.
@Tanner731
@Tanner731 4 жыл бұрын
I love Clifford. I really want to see you do a jeep 258 with their parts
@kylemilligan752
@kylemilligan752 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the efi ford 300 series of tests😁😁 The largest group of straight six enthusiasts would have to be the jeep 6 guys tho. A 4.0 amc/jeep build would be fantastic. We ran a stock, rebuilt 4.0 cherokee 2wd automatic on our dynojet. Rated at 170hp flywheel, it made 145 dynojet wheel hp. Kind of impressive. Looking at the 4.0 cylinder head ports vs the efi ford 300, and the chevy 250/292 head tells the whole story.
@ronb113
@ronb113 4 жыл бұрын
I love seeing projects like this. Trying to make gains with oddball engine and such, very cool!
@LT1HILLINGHOE
@LT1HILLINGHOE 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing oddball about a 292.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 4 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure to see the shenanigans Richard concocts, thanks Richard! ;) I know there are 292 fans out there, pretty sure they still race them....
@3BRPOWERSPORTS
@3BRPOWERSPORTS 3 жыл бұрын
fond memories of running a 292 six in my H/Gas '48 Anglia back in the early 60's. The bore was .060 over for 301ci which everyone thought was an eighth over 283. There were no hot rod parts other than cams and valve gear so I made my own intake manifolds ( 2 AFBs) and exhaust headers. It was competitive until some guys* cut three cylinders from two V8 heads and welded them up to provide cross flow breathing. ETs went from the low 11's to the10s overnight and the H/Gas was done for. *As I recall it was Becker & O'Connell with "The Hummer"
@ranzablevins7593
@ranzablevins7593 2 жыл бұрын
I rember Jim headrick ran a 292 in h modified production . He ran 3 2 barrels . They were side by side. Pourman injection . He made his manifolds from header pipes too. They broke a lot of cans. Did you also brake a lot of cams
@MJTAUTOMOTIVE
@MJTAUTOMOTIVE 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard, another Awesome video. A 12 percent increase from an easy bolt on upgrade is always a win. At a low starting point of 145 12 percent is something that you would definitely feel driving this on the road. It was also great that David Frieburger gave you and your KZbin channel a shout out on the latest episode of Engine Masters. Can't wait for the cylinder head and cam upgrades. Cheers. 👍
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
he is good people
@itsjustasix
@itsjustasix 4 жыл бұрын
Richard, great work!!! Keep it going !! With a turbo, cam cylinder head modded, ported, 1.84" intake 1.6" exhaust, intake lump port bolt in, (helps the short turn radius), should make 500 ft lbs with enough boost pressure about 20-25 PSI. Crank can take it, rods are a bit weak (they are forged) to rev high, 4.120" stroke, main cap for every rod, strong enough. I believe a better damper is needed to rev higher. Harmonics really wreak havoc on these 6 cylinders. Too much torsional vibrations takes away a lot of HP, need to keep that in check. It is a lower reving engine as compared to a 194,230, 250 CI engine. Can't wait for more videos!
@brucefrye8799
@brucefrye8799 4 жыл бұрын
I had a 1960 panel truck with the 262 it was a bullet proof
@jeeptk
@jeeptk 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see other than V8s all the time. Maybe an old Iron Duke 4 banger sometime?
@GlennEverittMasterofMachines
@GlennEverittMasterofMachines 4 жыл бұрын
Loving this project, and in a way, this engine is the big daddy to our popular GM Holden six we ran here in Aus for many years. I'd love to see a project like this from you based on the Slant Six some day, another awesome and unique engine of the period.
@scoutdogfsr
@scoutdogfsr 4 жыл бұрын
Sure do respect the Aussies for their love of vehicles. I think American and Australia are nearly equal in that way. One exception is the Aussies road race the hell out of the old muscle cars!
@johncooper9976
@johncooper9976 3 жыл бұрын
You Australians and Brazilians do some incredible things with the inline 6s. I would sub to any build videos you guy would do. I would pay to watch those.
@cw5880
@cw5880 Жыл бұрын
Who has the shortest intake? The Aussie Speed will run 2in into the side of my doghouse the PES intake does the same. Do you think the Offenhauser is shortest? San Diego
@bladenrexroth2555
@bladenrexroth2555 4 жыл бұрын
These engines are capable of 375hp/510tq on boost. On stock block, stock crank, stock rods. Can do well over that if you want to throw half of your wallet at it. Engine, machine work, cam, intake, carb, lifters, push rod, piston, distributor upgrades with a Ebay turbo/intercooler kit will be under $4500 and should net at least 350hp.
@linkloudenback8359
@linkloudenback8359 6 ай бұрын
I think the Offeinhouser four barrel intake might be better suited because it’s designed to use the conventional carburetor.
@johnnyk5
@johnnyk5 4 жыл бұрын
Would be sweet if you could get ahold of the head/EFI system from the 4.1L/250 inline six in the Brazilian Chevy Omega and try it on the 292.
@deanstevenson6527
@deanstevenson6527 4 жыл бұрын
johnny K : You and John Woodworth should get together. Nice post, btw. Im MorocoMole..
@richardharris492
@richardharris492 4 жыл бұрын
Amen, life is about how well you deal with problems/ setbacks. Congrats on the results, keep em coming
@Mango_McPoo
@Mango_McPoo 4 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this for hints on what to do with my old man's XY with a 250ci here in Australia!!
@bruceallen6016
@bruceallen6016 8 ай бұрын
I'd really like to see a Weber carb comparison as well. 😉
@scottbennett3119
@scottbennett3119 4 ай бұрын
You make great videos! Good sense of humor, too!
@thejavelin7832
@thejavelin7832 4 жыл бұрын
Small 4v for me. Cruise on the small primaries for economy. I run a 500 Carter AFB on my AMC 232, with Lunati cam, Offy intake, HEI and later exhaust manifold, and I get 21mpg. With my driving habits, lol. I'm not kind to it. Keep up the i6 content!!
@supercuda1950
@supercuda1950 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget chrome or cast aluminum adds valvetrain rigidity) valve covers for added hp!
@erenzoscroggins8056
@erenzoscroggins8056 4 жыл бұрын
Great info for the "Straight 6 Mix" crew💪🏾💪🏼💪🏻
@jerryhudson1066
@jerryhudson1066 2 жыл бұрын
One more test might be the good manifold with the original one barrel. I have a modified 250 that out ran a 400 firebird when it was in a 67 chevelle. Has domed pistons, 202 valves, but still had original one barrel and manifolds. Bigger carburetors may be the biggest mistake in hopping up motors. I remember a 56 Pontiac v-8 with a one barrel that ran about 120 mph.
@jamesford2942
@jamesford2942 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the difference between a stock head and the elimination of the head bolt bosses in the port and lump ports.
@MsKatjie
@MsKatjie 4 жыл бұрын
Lot's of hard work, so full marks. Can't say the big 6 does much for me but if one has one, that then becomes a whole different ball game. Good cheer, to all engine fixers out there!
@patriotrob7066
@patriotrob7066 4 жыл бұрын
I love stovebolt 6 cylinders I had a 58 235 inline in my 50 chevy business coupe. It was 30 over mcgurk pistons a Barry's cam Clifford true headers with a Clifford 4 barrel intake and a billet adapter I made for a weiand 144 supercharger electronic ignition and a 750 holly. It made over 300 hp and was a smash hit at car shows.. 6=8 .
@romeubardi4466
@romeubardi4466 4 жыл бұрын
In brasil we use weber carburators. Only one in the center as a starting point, and later triple webers
@witcher71
@witcher71 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could get one of those intake manifolds for a single weber.
@romeubardi4466
@romeubardi4466 4 жыл бұрын
@@witcher71 its magical, in the 250 you can gain over 15hp
@witcher71
@witcher71 4 жыл бұрын
@@romeubardi4466 How can I get one? I've looked everywhere.
@romeubardi4466
@romeubardi4466 4 жыл бұрын
@@witcher71 i dont know. Here in brasil they are pretty common. We pay arround 600 reais for them (arround 120 bucks for you guys)
@witcher71
@witcher71 4 жыл бұрын
@@romeubardi4466 Where would I find one to buy out of Brazil?
@RebeldryversGarage
@RebeldryversGarage 4 жыл бұрын
An Edelbrock 600 will work on a WCFB style intake manifold. I replaced several on late 50's to mid 60's engines. They bolt right on using the inner bolt holes on the carb. And the throttle blades are small enough to fit in the 4 hole intakes.
@2HacksGarage
@2HacksGarage Жыл бұрын
Ah… great video! I just wish alot of these in-line 6 engines had a cross flow head
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 Жыл бұрын
I run a 292 L6 in my '68 C/10 Stepside. I have Clifford headers, Offy intake, an Edelbrock 1404, 500 CFM 4 Bbl carb, HEI, I.84 Intakes, 1.6 Exhaust, .Badger cast pistons @ 030-over, Crane 260H Cam, SM465 4-Speed, and a 3.73:1 Corp 12-Bolt rear. Current engine got on the road in 2005. It is the original block, that I boxed up after going over 100,000 miles, in 1977, when I built another 292, also @ .030-over, but all Heavy Duty components from the Yuma GM dealer. Stock cam. TRW forged pistons, I ran the same Clifford headers and Offenhauser 5417 intake, but with a 390 CFM Holley 4160 R8007 4 Bbl, and points. Got 250,000 miles out of that block over 25 years.
@josephcottone9613
@josephcottone9613 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid!! Still hoping for a slant six series! NA, turbo, torquestorm, Weiand 144!
@DeanMk1
@DeanMk1 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see someone cast blocks for that engine that allow for a 273 V8 piston to be used. That would up displacement to 255 cu.in.
@josephcottone9613
@josephcottone9613 4 жыл бұрын
DeanMk1 that would be cool. An aftermarket aluminum head would go a long way too. There’s a talented machinist working on one. Hopefully he will go into production someday.
@johncooper9976
@johncooper9976 3 жыл бұрын
Have you checked out Uncle Tommy's Garage on KZbin? He does a lot of Mopar and slant 6 stuff and go into deep detail. Very interesting
@wymple09
@wymple09 3 жыл бұрын
I'm putting a small 4 BBL on my 250 that came from a 4100 Cadillac engine. I think it will be perfect to get a good combo of power AND mileage. I've also got long tube headers and a lump port kit. I shall see.
@weels1886
@weels1886 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 292 a while back. That thing could pull anything. Lotsa torque!
@The_R-n-I_Guy
@The_R-n-I_Guy 4 жыл бұрын
I would've loved to have an extra 20 horsepower when I had my 250 straight 6 Camaro. For a rusty 6 cylinder 78 Camaro it was still a lot of fun
@richb.4374
@richb.4374 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing an inline 6 modified reminds me of my youth. When I was a kid I used to go to our local stock car races with my friend and his dad and back then they had a six cylinder class. The inlines made good power and were almost as fast as the V8 powered late models that ran there. Their lap times were only about a second slower and the class was much more affordable for the garage builders who ran there. I miss those days. A guy could build and race a stock car for a couple grand back then. Now most of those small tracks are gone and the ones that exist run $$$$$ cars where you need to win the lotto just to compete.
@LT1HILLINGHOE
@LT1HILLINGHOE 2 жыл бұрын
But yours had an integrated head. You couldn't change anything unless you did a head swap to the old style head.
@dylanboyle2995
@dylanboyle2995 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see you do these same tests on the ford 300 just to see differences between the two makes there almost similar displacement same non crossflow heads you can run an older 300 with the carb or use an efi head with an offenhuaser c series 4bbrl intake. The efi head also has heart shaped combustion chambers with dual exhaust manifolds you could run twin turbos on the new head pretty easy
@MultiScotty12345
@MultiScotty12345 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Richard thanks, I love the little underdog 292!
@nquinutolo1970
@nquinutolo1970 2 жыл бұрын
Its a shame they dont make an aftermarket aluminum head for these engines,… they have the lump ports mods you can do and increase flow quite a bit though. The Pontiac OHV L6 had dedicated tube runner for the intake unlike Chevy and the Sprinter option used. 2 piece header where the exhaust colector merged together for increased exhaust flow velocity.
@johnnymack8442
@johnnymack8442 4 жыл бұрын
I still believe that the triple 1 bbl intake is the best on the 292 as it's better in fuel distribution
@andrebcr
@andrebcr 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Brazil Richard. I have a 292 in my cara here with multipoint fuel injection , high compression ratio and another things. I didn't tested It at dyno but the result for me is very Nice. If tou want i Can send you the link to check. Is rising rpm Very quick
@Weldangrind
@Weldangrind 4 жыл бұрын
That was a lot of fun! I’d like to see a carb installed that the Clifford was designed for, along with an HEI that you tailor the springs to match. I suspect there’s power hiding in the ignition that wants to be released.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@lloydholt6511
@lloydholt6511 4 жыл бұрын
Great test. Be interested to see what a 0.650-0.670 lift cam would do for this engine with a 10.0:1 compression ratio and reworked head with larger valves and springs. Dreaming of a test with a Sissel twelve port head. I know, it’s a really high dollar head but the results would be interesting.
@frankieford7668
@frankieford7668 4 жыл бұрын
Good Job Richard...👍 i enjoy waching the Other Guys tests...Ive done Similar test with the 4.0 Liter Jeep ...I made close to 200hp...to the point where i started breaking everything in the Drivetrain...Trans...Drive Shaft...Diff...even broke the Axles...lol. Straight Sixes make good Power and Excellent Torque...🇺🇸
@johnsarab4500
@johnsarab4500 3 жыл бұрын
What I care about is the fuel consumption of the various intakes/carbs. An engine can only use so much fuel mixture.
@nquinutolo1970
@nquinutolo1970 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I saw a video where an engine builder put a 292 crank in a 230” pontiac inline 6 sprint OHV motor made from 1966-1969. With UPDATED CAM,…VALVE SPRINGS,…headers WITH triple weber dueces made 370HP! THE PONTIAC L6 OHV WAS ABLE TO REV OVER 7000 rpm,… the Pontiac design had the cam lobes riding right on top of the valve spring,…made valve train extremely durable and hi-RPM monster.
@francisdavis1271
@francisdavis1271 2 жыл бұрын
I'll interject a little science into this discussion. The flow in through carburetor or EFI is the entire flow the engine moves at maximum RPM. The flow is called "incompressible" or Bernoulli's (for the researcher who wrote equations in 1725). The valve flow efficiency impacts the number as well as displacement. The 292 cu inch engine at 5000 rpm and am 80% (0.80) would move 378 cfm of air. The cross-sectional areas of each section will govern flow velocity but as flow approaches the intake valve it becomes "compressible" and a different set of equations apply. As general rules any flow should have gentle radii; no abrupt turns. Sharp edged orifices have losses. The goal - though not always possible - is to provide as much cross-section as practical along with plenum volume... making each valve inlet seem to see an apparent infinite volume. You Don't want large turning angles either. Technically the local static pressure of the flowing gas is near the stagnation pressure. A 292 modified with lumped parameter inserts is near to 92% efficiency so rate is 479 cfm at 5500 rpm. Consequently a carburetor of 500 cfm is plenty for this engine... which what the test discovered. Friction loss does exist; turning loss; sharp edged office. As a gas dynamics I like the 12 bolt design but all these Characteristics are incremental. Everything adds a few percentage points.
@matthewvarnam4302
@matthewvarnam4302 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a built dodge slant 6 with a big cam header and head work and a intake.
@davidthillen6945
@davidthillen6945 4 жыл бұрын
Torque storm has a kit for the "leanung tower of tower!"
@jepito29
@jepito29 4 жыл бұрын
Learned on my flathead. A big(500cfm) 2 barrel is awful because the signal strength is weak at part throttle/ low rpm. A small (390 cfm) vacuum secondary 4 barrel drives WAY better and makes as much power.
@deanstevenson6527
@deanstevenson6527 4 жыл бұрын
jepito29 : Thats it. Well said!
@rayburn2007
@rayburn2007 18 күн бұрын
Big chevy valves a hyd. roller cam and a port job will make about 240 hp
@hu3.789
@hu3.789 4 жыл бұрын
@Richard Holdener - With a cam and good flowing heads, the 292 Chevy with a good intake can make around 220 horsepower and 350 foot pounds of torque. The initial throttle response would make a truck with this engine fun to drive The limiting factor with boost will be how much torque can it make before the cast internals break. I don't think this engine could make more than 500 foot pounds of torque without breaking connecting rods. When you do the upgrade to the heads and cam, perhaps you can ask your subscribers what the final number will be with a turbo that you can show in a later video.
@ricjona1069
@ricjona1069 4 жыл бұрын
They 510 TQ on another channel. Stock short block with hypereutectic pistons. The stock connecting rods on the 292 are pretty stout. 7 mains for the crank.
@hu3.789
@hu3.789 4 жыл бұрын
@@ricjona1069 Thanks for the info
@ricjona1069
@ricjona1069 4 жыл бұрын
@@hu3.789 I rewatched to get the exact numbers. 510 TQ, 372 HP @10.5 lbs of boost. All under 5K RPMs. You'll see Tom Lowe (12bolt.com) mention throughout this build. He did a 320 HP NA GM inline 6 250.
@jumpsuite
@jumpsuite 4 жыл бұрын
hey how about a try power set up i think theres a manifold for that
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 9 ай бұрын
Perhaps a pair of two-barrels, for better mixture distribution?
@BustedWalletGarage
@BustedWalletGarage 4 жыл бұрын
My grandpa had a 1960’s Ford performance book that showed how to mill the ends of the factory straight 6 intake and install 2 extra single barrel carbs making for 3 one barrel carbs. Back to the drawing board and modify the stock intake to hold 3 stock carbs. Makes like 700 hp ....... or maybe it was 70 ?
@timothyryan2847
@timothyryan2847 4 жыл бұрын
You have WAY TOO MUCH fun at your job.
@OldCrLvr
@OldCrLvr 4 жыл бұрын
I'm eager to see how the Offy manifold compares to the Clifford as I have the Offy on my 250 with Clifford headers.
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever 3 жыл бұрын
Nice I have the Clifford 4 bbl with headers currently
@kryan318
@kryan318 3 жыл бұрын
had a 235 inline single carb. put the clifford on with a 400 holley and the clifford header. thing ran like a 289
@chackos123
@chackos123 4 жыл бұрын
How about a Ford 300 straight six, or a 4200 Vortec I6 or a 3500 Vortec I5, or 4.0L I6 Jeep. I love inline engines and the Inline 5's sound amazing but aren't very common. Not a huge GM fan, but I'd love to see the and HEAR an I5 Vortec from the Colorado/H3 Hummer getting put through it's paces. Keep up the good work! Love your videos .........especially "the other guys" projects.
@ericgalloway461
@ericgalloway461 4 жыл бұрын
Well be interesting to see it once a cam is installed to make use of the carb it can mount now.
@chrisobrien9334
@chrisobrien9334 4 жыл бұрын
The KZbin site is Billet block Torana Holden 6. It’s a Pink Torana on the dyno doing 400rwhp. Mighty strong sounding motor
@mcqueenfanman
@mcqueenfanman 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like the intake ports in each of the three are not divided, I wonder how it would run when each port has its own intake runner.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
yes
@toddlentz5408
@toddlentz5408 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all of the Other Guys series. I’ve seen I6 engines pull dragsters into the 10s, so I’m looking forward to watching the progress
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely needs cams and boost!! We need 292hp from this thing!!
@TheFarCobra
@TheFarCobra 4 жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to modify the factory intake to accept the 2 bbl directly (ish) and see if the restriction is just in the 1 bbl hole or the rest of the manifold.
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever 3 жыл бұрын
For real as I'm currently about to add the 2bbl with an adapter to my stock 1 bbl intake on my 292
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 3 жыл бұрын
@@KlyfflovesShelby4ever Try an Offenhauser 2 one barrels.
@ardennielsen3761
@ardennielsen3761 4 жыл бұрын
like the 360-380-370 something or other in the 76 one Ton power ram... think its going to stall but it keeps going.
@jumpsuite
@jumpsuite 4 жыл бұрын
on that 292 chevy use a 390 crm holey 4barrell i think that it would be the best those others ate just to free breathing better fule discharge will all ways pull more hp and its a easy bolt on pluse it has vac secondarys to help transition i think it would easy and best for all around combo or a 450 cfm max.but i like to see a cam of 260-260 112 at 480 lift and 2-4 deegrees advanced .a cam of that genral specs it should be a good up grade and street able right down to the traffic light and should get you to at most 4500 rpms with out the horse power falling off pluse good milage to boot give it a try
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
260 degrees at .050?
@jumpsuite
@jumpsuite 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727260 @0.50 its a littel big but 5500rpms okay but 6500 rpms well let see if it can take it for one minute with boost ie shop rags dawn dish liqude and elebow greese will clean nicely.now you woke up a demon ha ha ha .
@gorkzop
@gorkzop 4 жыл бұрын
Plusn the fact it's 20hp gain all over the curve..not just in the top. I'm more fan of a 4-500cfm 4bbl on these.. secondaries only open when needed to keep the velocity up and metering stable.. big 2bbl flows way more as the primary of a 4bbl!
@dime4026
@dime4026 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how triple carbs would go on this engine like the infamous hemi 265 in Australia and nz making 300hp
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 4 жыл бұрын
Triple side draft Webers would look slick. As would this www.69pace.com/6shooters.htm While there obviously the money issue the world of 3D printing is going to allow the hot rodder with deep pockets and imagination to get really creative. If Porsche can 3D print pistons then why not 3D printed cylinder heads.
@DodgyBrothersEngineering
@DodgyBrothersEngineering 4 жыл бұрын
Dime these are basically an oversized Holden 6. Just like the XU1 these engines would love triples of any description.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 4 жыл бұрын
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Clifford Performance* probably sold or sells a triple carb manifold *company motto, 6 Equals 8 The big issue with US built inline sixes is they were all with only a couple exceptions non-crossflow heads
@DodgyBrothersEngineering
@DodgyBrothersEngineering 4 жыл бұрын
@@mpetersen6 same problem here... Because Holden was a division of GM we basically followed GM's design strategy. While Ford made a very successful ally cross flow head engine in the 70's, Holden continued on with more of the same. We basically had to import a Japanese engine (Nissan RB30) to replace the well out of date Holden straight six. Makes you wonder where the inline six market might be today if Holden put the time and effort into making a competing product to Ford's crossflow six during the 70's.
@TyphoonVstrom
@TyphoonVstrom 4 жыл бұрын
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering The six would still be dead and buried. They never did get past the cooling issues a modded Holden six has. The only reason Holden brought in the RB30 was because their six cylinder injected black engine failed so miserably to meet any of it's performance targets and they knew GM corporate was forcing the Buick V6 onto them to save the cost of building Australia only engines. Way cheaper to import Buick V6's and LS's in crates as complete engine/ trans packages. Don't get me wrong, the red six was a nice engine, it just became too small and outdated for the larger cars forced upon it.
@saludahead
@saludahead 3 жыл бұрын
Get a stock four barrel off a 289 Ford! It works really good on those old 6 bangers! You'll have to do some tricks to get the passing gear to work', but you're hot rodders, You'll figure it out!
@nothingbutprojects8193
@nothingbutprojects8193 4 жыл бұрын
I am very interested in the results of this series of videos. I am currently building a 292, and need info on different parts that are available. Hope to see a lump port and cam go in that one of yours to see if it is worth the effort. Keep the cool videos coming!
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever
@KlyfflovesShelby4ever 3 жыл бұрын
Nice I'm starting to fix my 292 as well :)
@jonwaterbury3312
@jonwaterbury3312 4 жыл бұрын
You're the best, Richard! Thanks for these very informative videos.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 4 жыл бұрын
Considering the swept volume on the intake stroke is 422 ft3 at 5000 rpm I can could very well see where you could over carburate one of these. Swept volume, (displacement x rpm/2)÷(12x12x12). I cant do the cubed sign on this device. Plus add in the cam on one of these is ground for low rpm torque output.
@NAAlltheway245
@NAAlltheway245 4 жыл бұрын
I love the canned techno. I'm glad you won.
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