WHICH FORD V8 WORKS BEST? OHV VS SOHC, 5.0L 302 vs 4.6L 2-VALVE MODULAR? WHO IS BEST FOR BOOST?

HOW DOES THE FORD 5.0L 302 COMPARE TO THE "MORE" MODERN 4.6L 2V MODULAR? WE KNOW THE MODULAR FAMILY REPLACED THE ORIGINAL 5.0L EFI 302, BUT HOW DO THE TWO REALLY COMPARE? WAS THE 2V ACTUALLY BETTER THAN THE LARGER 5.0L? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I COMPARED THE 5.0L TO THE 4.6L 2V MOTOR IN STOCK TRIM, IN MODIFIED TRIM WITH PORTED HEADS, CAM(S) AND INTAKE AND THEN, FINALLY, WITH A CENTRIFUGAL SUPERCHARGER. WHICH ONE RESPONDED BEST TO BOLT-ONS? WHICH ONE RESPONDED BEST TO BOOST? WHETHER YOU LOVE THE 5.0L OR THE 4.6L, IT'S ALL HERE!

[@madmod]

The best Ford V8 for boost is the one you've already got.

[@P71ScrewHead]

i agree..lol

[@AndyR1982]

255 Windsor has joined the chat....

[@richardholdener1727]

221 too

[@Ribbityibzki]

This guy gets it

[@AndyR1982]

@@richardholdener1727 i think with the 221 being like a 2 year run id save it for someone wanting to do a numbers matching build

[@AjarZzzz]

I love the 4.6 videos. Really appreciate all the work you do for all of us!

[@michaelmayer8618]

Agreed.all his videos on the ford 4.6 are great n surprised me that they could actually make good power.i have always heard that the 4.6 engine sucks n that you can’t make any power with it

[@jaydubb71]

Gotta love the Windsor SBF. Even tho Im a Chevy guy, I got my initial hotrodding start on the SBF. Built a couple for some friends back in the day for a Stang and a T-Bird. Both cars were pretty quick for what they were. My dad had an 82 Mustang GL 5.0 FOUR SPEED LOL (basically the LX for that year) and I LOVED that car! I wish I had a pic of it...

[@claybrown1619]

AWESOME MAN 😎

[@ontariobill1]

I admire your no nonsense approach to your video, you're right, regardless of the base engine , once you modify it correctly using quality parts you will get good results, I came away surprised , I have had many 5.0 engines and my pick up has the modular 4.6, glad to see the 4.6 did so well in responding to mods, this video has renewed my hope of making more power for the 4.6, you now have a subscriber for life.

[@youcanevaporate5961]

This was really cool Richard. What's so remarkable is that they made the exact same power in the exact same way, but they are 2 completely different engines.

[@coupe50h]

The 5.0 should have came stock with the explorer/cobra intake. They made a noticeable difference over the junk h.o. intake.

[@madmod]

The same could be said about using PI induction on a NPi engine.

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@madmod difference is the pi stuff was a later update that did come in the mustang once it came out. The fancy 302 stuff came the same year in other applications but never the GT mustang, and the cobra mustang did come with the upgraded stuff.

[@madmod]

@@Prestiged_peck What confuses me is how much r&d went into producing a far superior frpp svo 2v casting borrowing mostly from the NPI only to go backwards in performance creating the PI. They had a 2v head with 190cfm of intake flow stock that could maintain decent compression and even despite having fewer intake manifold choices most of which were crappy at the time, still produced fantastic power. I just dont think they wanted to compete with their own sales of higher trims like the cobra. Same reason we didnt get the explorer intake on a base gt. It kept the cheaper pony cars in a class of their own while the cobras swing up at the bigger displacements offered by gm.

[@camaromustangmods3327]

They should have come with a supercharger stock. These hci supercharger 302 combos can still hold their own in 2021.

[@madmod]

@@camaromustangmods3327 I had a 2.2 kb blowzilla 5.0 and sold it for a 2v and couldn't be happier. The 2v holds its own just fine and despite popular opinion, they are cheap to modify and make power with.

[@Diamondsintherubble]

You’re the man for doing a trick flow top end run!!! Thanks bro!

[@J0eBl0e]

Love the recaps between setups.

[@johnbarker5009]

I love the comment "every component of the 5.0 is limiting." Thanks for showing us that 302 or 4.6, both have plenty of potential. Multiple generations down the road with the Gen 3 Coyote out the 2V gets very little respect. Too often when you're considering a car with 4.6 2V or 3V the reaction is no, don't do that they're junk. Without traction control 400hp from any source has the potential to get you in real trouble if you aren't careful and in possession of a little skill.

[@thollingsworth4910]

Anyone who says that a 4.6 powerplant is junk is an idiot. They're not a 5.0 coyote but they are far from junk. I know because I've owned 4.6s and now I have a 5.0.

[@johnbarker5009]

@@thollingsworth4910 It's important to know, too. You can't just drop a sbf into an emissions-era car because usually you have to have an engine of at least the same year as the car. For that reason I've pondered the potential of the 4.6 and 5.4 4v engines put in some Lincoln SUVs.

[@Tacticoolpapi]

Well said👍

[@midnight347]

@@thollingsworth4910 yea these days people just regurgitate the same bs everyone else says online without doing any real research for themselves. It's every bit as good of a platform as the windsor 5.0 if not even better as shown in this video. It can get it done na and forced induction just as well as the old 5 liter you don't really see people saying they're junk not nearly like you do the 4.6 motors. Just because it's not as good as the coyote don't mean it's junk but some don't understand that.

[@JerZeyFiveOh]

@@midnight347 4.6L 2V owner here despite my user handle name on YT, from what I've gathered over the year is that a lot of these enthusiasts are just power junkies. There are very few enthusiasts who are willing to put in the wrench time to get the power output out of these older platforms. It's easier to say, "F** IT" I am getting a coyote car because it makes the power OUT THE BOX verses, I am going to do the research and build it, most do not have the patience or time. Secondly, I wish Rich could have tested my combo. I have TFS 38CC heads, stage 2 bullet grinds, and Foxlake P51 manifold, the combo should do in theory 425-440hp N/A but the video was still good.

[@kmoss9521]

I thought it was a pretty good test. I got both motors so I appreciate the in-depth look into both motor side by side with a parts list I would have from summit

[@sombra6153]

I’ve had both of those motors (mildly modified 92 Mustang 5.0 EFI) and a stock 190 HP (95 Crown Vic). Both great motors. I had no problems with either.

[@aaronliddell4280]

Thank you for finally doing 11R testing !

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

I remember the 90's when that 4.6 liter was released and the Ford guys HATED it.

[@midnight347]

They hated it because in the beginning there was no aftermarket compared to the 302. Now that there is plenty of aftermarket that is no longer an issue. It's proven to be just as good and imo better than the 302. Forged internals and boost on both 4.6 can make and take way more power. They sound just as good too. I love the mod motors.

[@BilliamSandS]

I believe this is apples to apples. My question what would the cost difference between mod to mod.

[@midnight347]

The 5 liter had all trickflow top end I would bet it had more money put into it. The 2v is every bit as good if not better than the 302 in every way.

[@firebirdjone]

I like these comparisons Richard, thanks for the time and effort. For me it's more a matter of what makes the most sense. I'm not interested in shoehorning a mod motor in our fox body so I'll stick with the old architecture. Works well enough for me.

[@claybrown1619]

Absolutely man and if you want to come to a Guy that will shoot you straight up and not give you a bunch of B.S. just to get you to subscribe to his channel then Richard is the man point blank! God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B.

[@jayallen408]

This one is great for me I’m building both right now 😎👍👍👍👍 Thank you sir

[@markrich3271]

I know this because it was the first v8 I boosted 25 years ago. Once you hit 600hp that sbf 302s block will Crack very aggressively. I was so sad as a young man. A few of these cylinder head companies we love got their start with the fox body mustangs.

[@lifeonadime4703]

At the end of the day though, the 5.0 is STILL cheaper to build....and I'm a 4.6 guy. I LOVE 4.6's. they have plenty of potential when the bottom end is built right and the heads are done but, your looking at 7 grand plus. The 5.0 can be built to the gills including a dart block for less than 5 grand and make the more power because it will then be a 347 or some type of stroker lol. But, there is NO sound like a 4.6 turning 7600 Rpm before a shift ❤️

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

drop in forged pistons and rods plus a cam swap on a 4V 4.6 and youll do way better with less money. what you spend on cams, you dont have to spend on cnc ported heads/intake/ blah blah blah.

[@MrPorsche91730]

@@OxBlitzkriegxO but why do you need stronger rods and pistons?

[@lewisrazo8551]

@@MrPorsche91730 they are a weak point stock

[@joshiek7839]

the 8.2 deck windsor is king. Down here in Aus, 4.0" bore 3.0" stroke, 5.7 rods, 10:1 comp, big big cam, Yates D3 heads, ITB short runner manifold with high injector placement, Pump gas, 7500rpm limit, 650HP all day long.

[@steveparlier7059]

How much to mod a motor to this extreme and I know u can keep up with a hell kitty in your much lighter ford car lol so do u end up spending way less the whoop on them or keep up to say the least?

[@joshiek7839]

@@steveparlier7059 a new engine is probably 150k AUD. A second hand engine with a few seasons on it would probably be 30-40k AUD. To develop an engine like that yourself probably 10 years and a few million dollars

[@DillonAuto]

Torque is a function of bore and stroke. Engines convert fuel into torque. Horsepower is a function of torque and rpm. Once people solidify that fact in their mind, the tests make more sense. And of course there are variables that can shift the torque curve. Referring to your younger and less experienced enthusiasts.

[@bradbyers7505]

I’m just now seeing this video but I’m really excited about the comparison. I’m a newbie to much of this, but am the proud owner of a 2004 Mustang GT convertible (auto trans) with the 4.6 with 130K easy miles on it. I’m very interested in this engine and for sentimental reasons this car will never be sold or traded. When he time comes for an overhaul I want it to be done precisely and with attention to every detail. For example I would like to replace everything that needs replaced with top quality parts, upgrades wherever available. I’m drawn to performance tempered with durability. I’d welcome the added horsepower and torque, but not to the point of overstressing the bottom end. I’d love to hear from you and others regarding those goals. When the engine gets pulled I don’t want to cheap out on essentials just to say “I have 400hp” or something. Thanks in advance for sharing your ideas.

[@Michagan_outdoorsman_James]

mod motor powa baby. really enjoy your vids and always learn from them but when its ford mod motor stuff i pay extra close attention. thanks for what you do Richard, i have a 4.6 4v B heads with a D procharger i love that thing its my first little hotrod i can work on during the winters(it snows here in west michigan) and thoroughly enjoy during the summers. i would also like to do a set of rods and pistons, standalone ecu and a better fuel system. really want to learn some aspects of tuning so i can make my own adjustments when im at the track hence the standalone.

[@coltoncaskey5781]

I’m a 97 cobra with p1sc, long tubes, and x pipe. Making 401/367 on a conservative 8lb tune. What power are you laying down? I’m loving my car. Really wanting to do forged internals but at the same time I want a terminator and can’t justify owning two 4v 4.6 cars.

[@ianshaw8273]

Thank you really want to see what a 4.6 is capable of and please with outcome thanks for all the info you give us on all motors thanks again

[@stevenkleinhenz1017]

I have run both engines in my Mustangs over the years and both are great engines and $$$$ is everything when it comes for HP! My daily driver is a 4.6 SOHC and will stay that way until I become rich or die!

[@xmo552]

Love my 5.0 sbf. I picked up a new CJ5 yesterday. I think it'll be getting a 5.0 302 efi repower.

[@scottjuly79]

Would like to have seen the 4.6 outfitted with Trick Flow heads/PI spec. Comp Cams/Trick Flow intake (similar package to what the 5.0 received) to make for a more "apples-apples" comparison.

[@midnight347]

It would have made more power. It already made more and it would have made even more that way. The 2v is every bit as good as the 302 in every way na and boosted and with forged internals in both the 2v is capable of holding way more with its stock block vs the 302.

[@ts302]

Thank you Mr. Holdener!

[@malamri424]

I love the recaps

[@leondavis3451]

Awesome information

[@rumblecanada]

Great video! You mentioned you used 36lb injectors on the 5.0. Did you change them out when you added boost? Which injectors did you use on the 4.6. Also, what was WOT timing set to for both 5.0 & 4.6.... Thanks!!

[@fattylover76]

Two days ago I scored a pro charger kit with an intercooler 1500 bucks Craigslist can't wait to throw it on

[@roadrashburns1914]

makes me want to stick my engine on a dyno. got a 351w with aftermarket heads flat tops, .579 lift cam, dual plane intake, fitech and torquestorm!

[@nvygw171]

Would love to see a turbo 6.8 v10. One of the cheaper 2v versions.

[@Tacticoolpapi]

Would of loved to see the 2v 4.6 with the tfs heads and intake compared to the good ol 5.0 motor for a more direct comparison, but fun vid for shits and giggles.

[@arc00ta]

None of this matters because the 4.6 mod motor sounds like it was sent down by the engine gods to grace our ears with its exhaust note.

[@oldschoolmobile]

You do know they sound damn near the same with the exception of the 3v and 4v engines right? Same firing order..... 👍

[@BC08]

@@oldschoolmobile They all sound good (except Coyote with stock Tri-Ys) though I tend to agree that SN95 2V/4Vs do sound particularly good. A 302 Fox with Flows and a cam sounds good too though, it’s such a retro sounds it’s not even played out anymore

[@madmod]

@@oldschoolmobile Ive never thought the mod motor sounds like a sbf

[@bodyshotjake7475]

They both sound good I’m my opinion

[@arc00ta]

@@oldschoolmobile Note I said 4.6 mod motor - the modular series includes all of those, and the 5.4 if you're feeling like adding it in the mix :) It sounds nothing like a SBF at all unless you just run straight pipes on everything then it sounds like throwing a metal trash can down a cliff.

[@jamespenner5982]

Hey I wanted to ask about the ported PI heads and the swirl damn removal. Is that really the best method for porting those? Or were those older pics?

[@Acestrex]

We need a 289 turbo video .👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@jesseduke694]

I wanted to see the power curves compared between the two. I see the peak numbers were very similar but I didn't see at what rpms the peak numbers were happening at & what was the numbers at throughout the rpm range. Did the 5.0 make more low end power?? Thats what I would expect but I didn't see? So the average power numbers would be interesting to me. The stock & the modified versions. Im not a boost guy so I couldn't care less about how they respond to boost.

[@GermanShepherdsofOKC]

For 281 cid the 4.6 does great. They do not leak very easy and seal up better. Water pump and timing cover are seamless. I am pro 4.6 being I have made over 1000hp on a 4.6 and stay together much longer

[@angelgjr1999]

They respond to mods very well. I surprised the hell out of 5.7 mopar guys. I’ve beaten chargers in highway pulls. That’s what gears and being 1,200 lbs light does.

[@kpemb84]

Ditto

[@88tcoupe]

Great video! Wish static compression figures were given for both engines.

[@richardholdener1727]

both were stock to start-but near 10:1 after mods

[@88tcoupe]

@@richardholdener1727 I guess I should have been more specific. If I remember correctly, a stock 5.0 had 8.8:1 compression but you said you swapped PI heads onto a non PI block. Just curious what that raises the compression ratio to. Appreciate all of your videos!

[@seanhenderson2079]

This gives me so much hope for my 4.6 lol. I'm hoping for 450 wheel in a cammed 2v with about a 175 shot. 😅

[@streetdomn8tor101]

I would go with supercharger or a turbo. It's always there when you need it. I ran nitrous for a while on my street Stang and was happy when I went to a supercharger.

[@midnight347]

@@streetdomn8tor101 yea I would look into the department of boost manifold that allows use of a terminator blower. Not only would the m112 be good for the power level he's trying to get to you also open yourself up to all the superior pd blower options available for the terminator that isn't available for the 2v if you ever wanted to build the bottom end and go nuts.

[@CJColvin]

I have a 1996 Ford F150 with a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 with 210,000 miles on it and still going strong 💪. The only things I replaced on my truck was the starter, the rear fuel pump, and the power steering megunisum but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance, took out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since.

[@kylejohnson7258]

I have a 4.6 2v around 210k miles and only changed alternator and few thing like eBay perge solenoid and idle air control valve basic maintenance

[@kylejohnson7258]

Still going strong 💪 to

[@CJColvin]

@@kylejohnson7258 Nice

[@kylejohnson7258]

@@CJColvin yes sir 💪 both great motors in my opinion and love the unique sound of both

[@CJColvin]

@@kylejohnson7258 Same here brother

[@mikebatista5205]

both great motors but ima go with the 5.0 HO block splitting power

[@johnbuck9536]

I'd like to see a test comparison between a 289 4V vs 4.6 2V

[@street_fighter_mx5]

Please detail on the 2 302 Holley intake kit

[@SIR-DanielHunter]

How about dependability I have to go with 4.6l after having both motors.

[@ScienceManiacCZ]

You should show some love to the 4.7l Mopar V8. They came with forged internals in the Jeeps, sounds like something you could have fun with!

[@CJColvin]

Maybe one day someone should put that engine in some old school Mopar.

[@ScienceManiacCZ]

@@CJColvin I've def thought about it. When I crashed my Dakota I tossed around the idea of finding a 50s era car and throwing it in. The heads are very reminiscent of the poly heads of those days.

[@CJColvin]

@@ScienceManiacCZ With some porting and polishing to those heads I'm sure that 4.7L SOHC 2V Magnum V8 would probably make well over 400 HP just like the 4.6L SOHC 2V V8 did.

[@wretchedexcess1654]

What about Truck/Triton 4.6L mods? 2WD. Ditch intake or keep it for the longer runner/better torque numbers? Long tubes or Tri-Y headers? Looking for mid-range punch along with a touch of stump pulling. Daily driver, light trailer duty. What say you?

[@drdanimalsize]

Hey I didn't know that the two valve non-pi gets benefits from the pi heads to compression as well as flow! Too bad I already own a 5.0 though LOL

[@frederick6008]

I have one of the last 4.6 2vlv's ever made by ford. 2014 E250 flex fuel superduty

[@Fk8td]

I would have like to see the boost curves side by side. This way we could see some of the efficiency different. I personally think the 5.0 is a better motor cause the simplicity.

[@midnight347]

People always say that but there isn't anything complicated about the 2v or any of the mod motors. They aren't hard to work on and they're reliable and they sound just as good if not better.

[@Fk8td]

@@midnight347 no they aren’t hard to work on but ford added things that engine that complicated it for no reason. My car is way more complicated than these engines. I work on late model stuff and an example is c7 z06 and those are a royal pain to do a cam.

[@johngregory4801]

I had a 5.0 in my '87 Cougar and I've got a 4.6 in my Grand Marquis. Which is my favorite engine? As Kosh would say, "Yes."

[@waltciii3]

It comes down to what breaks and what does not break after mods.

[@angelgjr1999]

Keep it NA and just get gears and weight reduction. Works wonders against heavy mopar chargers.

[@jedwards100able]

Being you used Trick Flow on the 302 It been better comparison if on the 4.6 if used Trick Flow top end. By using 2V Twisted Wedge heads & TFS cams. Maybe used Victor Jr lower intake with Upper EFI plenum & TB.

[@twinturbotony93]

Luckily I don't need to decide which engine is better. I have both and enjoy them equally.

[@tedgay8427]

20 fewer cubes and the 4.6 makes more torque than the 302. I'd like to see the test of the Trick Flow OHC heads.

[@rickstorm4198]

Longer rods, more piston dwell

[@tedgay8427]

@@rickstorm4198 I'm thinking the Modular heads have better cylinder filling. I could be wrong.

[@camaromustangmods3327]

Richard you have pushed the limits with the LS. We want to see how far the 5.0 pushrod will go before it splits

[@jesseduke694]

He has pushed those limits. It didn't split, debunking that myth. Those that have split are usually do to improper tune cousing detonation or improper balance of components.

[@MikeSmith-ey7ku]

They debunked it on engine master also. Engine in the rotsun

[@camaromustangmods3327]

@@MikeSmith-ey7ku Id like to see how far they pushed it

[@CJColvin]

Now the question is which one will last longer and more robust in reliability, the 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 in the 92-96 Ford Trucks or the 4.6L SOHC 2V Triton V8 in the 97-03 F150s.

[@2vcrew782]

I have owned a 2002 GT for years now and it still has the original 2V motor and 5 speed 3650 manual transmission with 236,000 miles and it runs like a top and I run the tach in the red all day every day. It’s a great motor just needed more power potential. The 5.0L coyote is tempting for a swap.

[@chestrockwell8328]

Building your 4.6 2v would be way more simple and less costly, unless you're needing 7500+rpm and 800+hp capability. Richard just showed you one pathway to 600+hp with a 4.6 2v.

[@midnight347]

Forged internals, cams, headers, boost can make some pretty good power on a 2v even with stock heads. It'll sound way better than a coyote and you can prob do it all for not much more money all in.

[@ricardocorbie6803]

I would always, always, always go with the 5.0 over the 4.6, why? The aftermarket, Tons & Tons of stuff, oh yeah n that Cubic inch thing!!😂💜💜💜 But both are great platforms, just comes down to preferences 💯‼️ Thanks Sir!!

[@dougsgtp]

Yeah because there's no aftermarket for the 4.6. You can get what ever the 5.0 has for the 4.6

[@richardholdener1727]

the 4.6l doesn't have 30-40 different sets of after market heads, but it does have 1 set and ported PIs

[@dougsgtp]

@@richardholdener1727 that's because pi heads aren't absolutely junk like any iron sbf head

[@MikeSmith-ey7ku]

@@dougsgtp iron?

[@dougsgtp]

@@MikeSmith-ey7ku cast iron heads......

[@rhondagibson6976]

Any plans to test the Ford 6.2 litre engine?

[@RLBlizzy]

Where you find a kenne bell I was going to get one for my 95 but they stopped making it

[@SN95Power]

I love the low-end power of pushrod motors

[@midnight347]

The 4.6 has good low end too ecspecially considering it has less cubes. The 2v are very torquey engines. The 4v was more top end oriented and wasn't the greatest down low but a set of 430-456 gears takes care of that lol

[@gen-x-zeke8446]

Yesterday's 400hp to me is cooler than today's 400hp. Now everything has 400hp so it's not that special. If this was 1970, 400hp would be talked about. 400 is plenty, and if you have 'just' 365, people are calling you "left behind" or "wimpy". These are 2 great engines regardless.

[@CJColvin]

Exactly mate and I know that EcoBoost owners especially will say that these engines are weak and pathetic.

[@gen-x-zeke8446]

@@CJColvin The reality of EcoBrats is that they are going to keep improving both on efficiency and force power and they've been at it since around 2007 from what recall reading, when they started developing the line, along with the 6.2 (which people ignore as well). So closing in on 15 development and 12 in service. Now the POWERBoost!! I wonder if Super Duty is coming up with something we wouldn't expect. It would have to be with the Power Strike though. 1,050 tq isn't manly enough yet. Lol

[@lulujrlaulom7905]

when i had my 1999 mustang GT, i ran a 70mm th body, mac long tube headers with 3 in collectors, 3 in mac power chamber no cats, ported upper intake plen, FRPP underdrive pulleys, 24 lb injectors, 4.10 gears, Ported stock 80mm mass air, K&N open element filter, Super Chips tune for 100 oct fuel.. 310 rwh hp with a Auto and a 3000 stall and a transgo shiftkit. Key is the plugs, copper 1 step hotter. custom gap.

[@tamcphail]

You have the part number for the hotter plugs?

[@richardholdener1727]

300 wheel hp with no cam or heads and a ported stock upper? seems high

[@charlesmclean6719]

I would love to build my Crown Victoria for those hemi Chargers riding around my neighborhood.

[@cotyphachansiri731]

Where's a good place to look for mods for the 4.6? Additionally I'd love to see a video on swapping Heads from the non PI to the PI

[@Xxcody3232xX]

I'll make a video for you in the next few days

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Personally I blame squirrels

[@TheBandit7613]

I have a new Ford 7.3 gas. NICE!

[@cody8754]

I’ll take the 5.0 HO over the 4.6 any day due to the added complications of the design of the 4.6L engine. I think the engine people should really consider building is the 1994-97 5.8L truck engine.

[@Luke_1-37]

Muscle mustang and fast fords did a junkyard engine years ago and made 1000 hp.

[@WhaaaaTha]

The 4.6L two valve really isnt that complex. But i still 100% agree, find a mid 90s f150 or bronco with the 5.8l and build...its a great platform

[@eric5.080]

my buddy took out and sold his 302 5.0 that was making around 310rwhp N/A and did a 5.8L 351W Forged Crank/Rods, Aluminum Heads , Custom Grind Cam ETC ... said he would never look back ! new coyotes ain’t a problem for his fox

[@rickstorm4198]

Got both made more power with the 4.6l albeit it is 327c.i. now with 13.5 to 1 comp ratio with all the trimmings. 607fwhp

[@philipshaffer401]

Where is the big bang video of the 4.6 3v have been waiting for it

[@richardholdener1727]

no

[@AndrewJacobson-cq2om]

There's definitely power that can be had if you have the time and money!!

[@chrislemaster2695]

What about an Eaton super charger that GM used?

[@loganneese9060]

I wonder what that trickflow setup would do on a 302 made into a 331 stroker

[@midnight347]

Power wouldn't be much different if it's running same compression. 302 sized parts make 302 power that is the old saying. If you do a stroker you need a more aggressive setup than would be ran on a 302 to truly take advantage of the extra cubes. Torque would be up some though for sure.

[@bigpigslapperoinktoo4953]

The push rod didn't run any cool'n on the boost test? If woulda out did the ohc if it did,

[@TallStarlite]

Which one would make more Power Dollar wise?

[@Boots67]

To even utter the words “5.0 efi starting the mustang world” is insane. Plenty of way better engines that made way more HP in the 60’s 289, 302, 351w, 351c, 390, 427 cobra jet, 460. Better looking too.

[@richardholdener1727]

5.0l started the 2nd Muscle Car era (which has lasted a lot longer than the original) and all the new stuff makes a lot more power (as they should)

[@Elver_Galarga_jugo]

Idk why people fight, I have my fox with a 302, and I have a new phone edge with a 4.6 2V..... And not matter what, I want to pull both engines out and replace them with the bigger truck versions lol. I much rather have a 351w in the fox and a 2V 5.4 in the new edge

[@s197jer]

Please do a 4.6 3v and 3v stroker!!!!!

[@hank1556]

check out a guy named 'Four Eyes' here on YT, good channel and he did a 4.6 3v stroker, it made it a 5.0

[@monstersdad67]

This shows me that the 4.6 was at the time the correct modern replacement for the 5.0

[@brysonshires9742]

I've got a 4.6 thunderbird in the process of getting an entire pi swap. I wish i had a 5.0 bird to start out with though

[@madmod]

Look what Johnny Langton accomplished with his 2v auto Thunderbird. I can not find 1 thunderbird with pi heads running the times that his did na with renegade npi heads.

[@brysonshires9742]

@@madmod hell yeah. So far its been a giant pain in the ass

[@madmod]

@@brysonshires9742 Most of the gains in the swap come from the pi cam and pi intake manifold both of which will drop on to a stock 96+ npi head with no issues. Theres also the compression bump going to the pi heads but thats not hugely responsible for the power gains offered. Not only can the npi fit a better cam spec, they also dont spit plugs like pi heads do, and have reasonably good flow without porting when you address the single angle valve job they boast. Johnny went 12.98 in the quarter mile equipped with renegade npi heads, stock pi cams, and a stock pi intake manifold at stock compression through a 4r70 auto. At 3700lbs, i cant find a single pi 2v na running those same times in that chassis. I would 4v swap before pi swapping with how affordable used intech engines are these days but thats not to say the PI heads can't make great power.

[@brysonshires9742]

@@madmod i would probably reuse the 95 bottom end and heads if it didnt have a spun bearing and no compression on 8

[@brysonshires9742]

@@madmod you seem to know a ton about these. If i go on rockauto and buy a maruder torque converter, will it bolt right into the 95 trans? If not what would be a better converter to go with, looking for around a 2500stall

[@jaredbudzinski8434]

I have an interesting request. I’ve been watching your truck engines for torque because I have a gen 5 BBC in my truck. I know you take tons of data during a run, do you record anything that might relate to emissions or fuel consumption? If I want to build for more torque, and still have to pass emissions how much can I do? I’ve been reading through forums and it sounds like the cam is the most critical aspect for emissions since it’s affects how much fuel is actually getting burned. Whereas the intake and heads are about flow efficiency and science acoustics stuff for where the power is generated. Would you consider doing a video about a bbc torque build for someone that has to worry about emissions and fuel consumption.

[@richardholdener1727]

we don't test emissions on the dyno

[@jaredbudzinski8434]

@@richardholdener1727 bummer. You still give tons of good data. Thank you!

[@freebehindbars8654]

I made the mistake of buying a truck with a 4.6. Within 2 years, about 30k, the timing chain was slapping. That truck was in the shop 4 times, almost 3 weeks combined, within that time. Last Ford I bought.

[@midnight347]

It's called maintenence some like to skip out on it. Truck probably wasn't properly maintained. Them things are dead reliable 99% of the time if taken care of.

[@freebehindbars8654]

@@midnight347 After reading other comments you’ve made on the 4.6, it’s obvious you have one and are very biased. Wait until you get a little more income, toys and life experience. You’ll come to realize the modular 4.6/5.4 are garbage. Look up 2 Eyes videos on getting power out of it. You’ll see it takes a lot of money for little output, difficult to get right and not as reliable as older designs. This is coming from someone who has had several Mustangs, with a 97 Mustang Cobra. Put half the money into my 92 Foxbody that walked it.

[@Jim_Lawrence]

The thing that is the big unequalizer (new word?) for me is the cubic inch thing. 8.2" deck stock block 347 is relatively cheap. Not to mention the 9.5" deck stock block 427 is possible. Modular family doesn't really have that. No aftermarket manifolds for 2V 5.4s. They do however have boost! That is the equalizer. Something to be said for simple NA power though. I'll take both...

[@RonaldSimilien]

Modular Head Shop is supposedly working on bringing back the hps hardballr back into production for the 5.4

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

4V heads are cheap. You'll make all the power you want.

[@Jim_Lawrence]

@@OxBlitzkriegxO the 4 valve stuff gives up low rpm for all that top end hp. That would be just like picking a big cam over the one you want.

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

@@Jim_Lawrence this is what people say when they are not engine builders. this might be the case with 4V B heads but any of the other 4V wouldnt be a problem in a lower rpm application. back in the day, Kasse's 409ci 4V engine masters entry made 600tq (675 peak) from 3600-6200rpm and made 720 peak power at just 6400rpm. now, its an extremely unique engine for sure but its still a stock block and heads based engine and irrc, the drivetrain was nearly 100% oem as well.

[@Jim_Lawrence]

@@OxBlitzkriegxO not engine builders? You do know what low rpm is right? Yes, gives up low rpm. Just like the voodoo gives up low rpm vs regular coyote.

[@madmatt2024]

I personally think you should have included running the supercharger on a stock motor. You are much more likely to see that setup in the real world than heads, cam/s, intake, AND a supercharger. Also, isn't it true that you risk splitting the block on 302s if you go above 600 HP? I know I've read it in multiple places.

[@eric5.080]

yes the 302’s STOCK block starts to crack above 450 if you aren’t careful, i know some guys who around 500-600hp with a stock block 302 on a Turbo or SC set up , they can hold up pretty good , sometimes...

[@midnight347]

​@@eric5.080 the 2v is stouter by a long shock all the mod motors are (block wise) put forged internals in both and turn the wick up the 2v is gonna hold up to much higher hp because of the block.

[@drewmurray2583]

I just got a boss 6.2 raptor engine! It's for sale and I would love to see you play with one on the dyno and compare it to the other "modular" engines

[@PureCountryof91]

Definitely an "other guy" the 6.2 is evidently an orphan. Not quite modular, not quite-not a modular.. I know they can be up to 460ci or 7.5l

[@robertdefreitas940]

nevermind. i missed it the first time 10 psi on 302 and about 12 on the 281.

[@anotherfishguy1051]

Fast ford magazine . I had a 01 gt stick back then for a daily. It was so slow compared to my 99 ta stick car for the nice days .

[@midnight347]

The ls1 had more than a liter of displacement on it, plus more compression and better head flow. The 2v did ok for what it was.

[@jedwards100able]

I have a 98 TA auto , 99 Z28 6 speed, 99 GT 5speed & owned & worked on installed hundreds of gears mustangs. Put a set 4.10 in them Trans Go Kit with stall in 4R70W the F Body LS cars won't hang with them. My car has 5 speed, 4.10, JLT Intake, BBK TB, SCT tune, X Pipe no cats, & Z28 with gears won't outrun it. My brothers 99 Cobra with 4.30 gears will upset thoes cars. Have to gear those 4.6 2V & 4V to make them run with such a short stroke.

[@wm.griffin2237]

Hey whats up Richard. I have a question, when performing an ls swap on a 6.2 that was recently running. Do you prime the engine via the port hole at the bottom of engine? Or can you just install oil add coolant and start the engine?

[@richardholdener1727]

no need to prime it already ran

[@wm.griffin2237]

@@richardholdener1727 Thanks for such a quick response. Keep up good work. Enjoy the channel

[@demetriusrayden-erisjohnso2279]

What about the aluminum Bullit intake? Better than the PI intake? I prefer metal to plastic intakes.

[@richardholdener1727]

it lost power down low

[@dailylife3975]

This comparison should have both had trick flow heads or factory heads so the 302 should have had the GT40 heads because the 4.6 had the factory Pi heads

[@JusTez216]

I have a project Bronco I'm in the process of building. It's a 89 with a 5.8 V8. I've been debating on building up the stock engine or coyote swapping it. I eventually want to add boost and spray for a drag setup. For now I'm just going to stoke it to a 408, put some better heads on and go from there. My questions are is it worth spending the money on stroking the engine and will it be able to handle boost and spray after I do? Or should I just do the swap and build up from there?. Fords are definitely more complicated than LS/LT engines I can tell you that but I refuse to cross brand my vehicle. I'm an American and I love all American brand muscle cars and trucks so I don't have a favorite. My Tahoe will stay GM, my Bronco will Stay Ford, and when I get a Mopar Truck it will stay Mopar.

[@PureCountryof91]

The 351 block is a thicker casting than a 302 block. You can get more power, and do so safer. That said, a truck coyote from, say a 2016, you'll get instant access to the better part of 400whp. A 351 is gonna be cheaper to build. But a coyote makes pretty impressive power untouched

[@CSJohnson1976]

I really enjoy these commentaries you do. I would have liked you to talk more about a cost comparison for these two engines. I have a 2v and while yes PI heads are cheaper, the cost of a cam swap is pretty high. I think building a 5.0 would be cheaper, but it would be interesting so see a $ per horse power comparison.

[@midnight347]

Cams cost like 600 vs 300..not that big a difference. They both cost about the same to mod. Forged internals on both the 2v can hold alot more power and make more power on a stock heads/cams setup.

[@muaythai193]

Which one is more reliable stock?

[@robertdefreitas940]

idk if i missed it, but how many pounds of boost were both at when tested? been on the fence about sticking with my 2v or swapping over to a windsor based platform.

[@richardholdener1727]

boost was in the videos-see recap

[@clarkeboss1072]

So your basically saying build the 4.6 naturally aspirated that sounds like a great idea

[@ponycorral99]

Where you running factory compression numbers for the boost applications?

[@richardholdener1727]

YES ON 5.0L-4.6L WAS HIGHER

[@ponycorral99]

@@richardholdener1727 I'm currently running 10.6 : 1 on an NA 2V setup. Would you think that's too high to run forced induction? It's a Teksid, fully forged bottom end with all ARP hardware. Thanks for your response. I enjoyed your video!

[@cookatktown]

Before this video even starts I just want to say I think each motor at the end of it's going to have its own place I believe the torque motor 4.6 will show a better drag strip Dyno in the 5.0 will show a better circuit track Dino sheet. I'm probably 100% wrong this is just a guess before the video starts

[@claybrown1619]

Hey Brother as always you are rocking the videos man but I am curious about something and that being, you said that you got 638-H.P. with the Mustang 5.0L V8 with the Torque Storm Super Charger and the TFS Top End Kit now my question is with you getting 638-H.P. with the combination mentioned now is that with a completely 5.0L V8 STOCK BLOCK or did you have to do anything to it like a main girdle and ARP bolts and things of that nature because I've always have heard that the Ford 5.0L 302 V8 will crack the block at around 575-600-H.P. on average and I know if anyone will know what the true limits of the old school MUSTANG GT 5.0L H.O. 302 V8 ENGINE are it is you Brother with all of the BADAZZ ENGINES that you have built and I am wanting to know what I can do to mine and I have a 1994 MUSTANG GT 5.0L CANARY YELLOW 5-SPEED and I am getting ready to go ahead and start to rebuild her soon and I am needing some of your guidance of how high I can go in the Horse Power department especially since I am going to be driving her almost every day short little trips to and from work with a total mileage of around 43 miles total almost 21 miles to work and the same thing back home and if I can get around 550-575-H.P. TOTAL on a completely STOCK BLOCK 1994 5.0L H.O. 302 V8 REBUILT of course and a daily driver I will be over the moon Brother so please tell me what I need to do and I look forward to hearing back from you Brother and God Bless You ✝️ Sincerely Clay B. Oh I almost forgot to ask you about the TFS Twisted Wedge 11R 170 Heads and that is what do they top out at for Horse Power that they can handle up to and Thank You Again Brother for everything and please keep the videos coming man cuz we (MY WHOLE CREW) WE ALL TRULY LOVE'EM!!! BROTHER 🏁SPEED-MOB-RACING🏁!

[@richardholdener1727]

the 638 hp reference was with a 351W, but I have run more than that on a 302. the TFS 11R heads are very good

[@claybrown1619]

@@richardholdener1727 Thank You Brother for getting back to me and I'm sorry and your right I thought it was the 5.0L I am honestly hoping that I can get around 375 H.P. off the N.O.S. and around 500 H.P. or close to it with a small shot of N.O.S. 100-125 H.P. with the TFS TOP END KIT on my 94 MUSTANG GT and I look at it like this man with your guidance of watching your channel I'll get it figured out and Thank You Brother for all that you put out here for us to learn from and God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B.

[@leondavis3451]

I have a 2v 2000 mustang. Who would you recommend to Build me A forged short block?