Rick and Morty: Are We Free to Imagine?

[@SNOWSOS]

I like that Evil Morty isn't just evil for the sake of being evil or getting revenge. He wants to escape the cycle he was born into, I highkey was rooting for him the whole time.

[@lnv9690]

@SNOW SOS But he escapes this cycle and chases this by exploiting countless Mortys and Ricks, making him truly evil as he and only he is able to escape, leaving the rest dead or trapped in the same cycle. This could be shown irl in a less extreme sense with Bezos going to space. All the engineers and scientists worked tirelessly on Bezos space project only to have Bezos be the only one that is able to go to space while all the people who worked on it did not and most likely will not never go to space. So is Bezos not evil for wanting to escape the cycle of being confined to this Earth on the backs of people who will never be given the chance to do the same despite all their sacrifices and hard work?

[@yoshitsune5691]

Soo u think it’s ok to kill millions, to escape the society that you’re born in. Ok buddy sure

[@aquilesbeizaga3176]

@@yoshitsune5691 I don’t think you understood the Comment

[@TheOneManWhoBeatYou]

@@lnv9690 Yeah you're right they just got huge salaries, benefits that allow them bigger houses and nicer cars. They also a hand in advancing space travel in a field they're truly passionate about, things truly are tough for them...

[@lnv9690]

@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou You have missed the point. In the citadel many ricks and mortys were able to advance fields their passionate about and get compensated for it as seen in the citadel of ricks episode. But all of that was put towards one morty who is able to leave, while trapping and killing other mortys and ricks in the process. That's why I said that the Bezos case is a less extreme version of this as scientists and engineers work so that 1 man can go to space, and they aren't able to despite all the work and sacrifices they made, even though they do get compensated greatly for it. The similarities are very obvious. Evil morty used capitalism at its extreme to pursue his own goals at the expense of others.

[@dangeldoll]

"You're one of those Ricks that moved in with Our Dead Daughter" words directed to the "Rickiest Rick"

[@leviswranglers2813]

From the memory of close friend's interpretation of the Rickest Rick.

[@kodaxmax]

@@leviswranglers2813 does that make it better or worse?

[@leviswranglers2813]

@@kodaxmax I don't know kodaxmax......I don't know.

[@betlathane]

Of course those words aren't said.. mostly because it's nonsense. I mean, just look at it for just one second. You took two things and merged them together. "One of those who move in with abandoned Beths" AND "live with a version of our dead daughter" as in OUR because they are the same Rick. That abandoned part does seem interesting in light of that purge of Ricks though. Many of them didn't come home so around and round it goes.. in a way. Not in a stupid way of course. :P

[@wabznasm9660]

To me it’s the best finale because it demands an immediate rewatch of the rest of the series. It gives an entirely new perspective on Rick’s inappropriate nonchalance and his obvious, crippling depression

[@deathbolikusjo4325]

A demand that I’m not meeting

[@levisnafu]

i think this was pretty obvious before lol

[@wabznasm9660]

@@levisnafu not to us mere mortals Levi

[@levisnafu]

Hahaha lol what's great show tho

[@wabznasm9660]

@@levisnafu sorry I misunderstood, I meant that his depression was obvious before the revelation but that now we have a new perspective on it

[@cartmanbruhh3964]

I still can't forget Mr.Poopy-Butthole's line at the end of the season finale. That shit hit too hard.

[@erin_3569]

uuuh weeeee

[@theoneneolink]

It was kinda shocking how there wasn't a single joke in that scene, it was just 100% earnest. Real metamodern moment.

[@christdolphin69]

@A Jolly Nurgle Prick they didnt make you, your low iq made you watch this garbage in the first place. that sentence says more about what youre willing to consume

[@kevinthedot]

It's kinda fascinating how they've molded Morty into this embodiment of radical optimistic youth that wants to make the world better and Rick as a continuous oppressive system that constantly shows some amounts of interest in that change but then reverts to it's old ways eventually. Truly, capitalism was the family we made along the way.

[@freewheelburning8834]

Capitalism works Socialism Kills

[@Hromovlad1]

You can just bring back Fascism

[@laleau92]

@@freewheelburning8834 Capitalism doesn't? The US has been in war in every decade since world war 2. Who has benefited from Afghanistan if not the military industrial complex and weapons contractors? Google how many countries the US government has overthrown. Look up the banana wars, a clear cut example of a war fought for corporate interests. There's no such thing as a perfect system. And there isn't a political system that hasn't killed people if this is your contention, then capitalism is not exempt.

[@laleau92]

@@Hromovlad1 There are pockets of fascism within capitalism as well. Shareholders have complete control over the workforce. Police and private partnerships collaboration like the case Keystone XXL pipeline, where peaceful protestors were brutalized. Obama kept at it until wave of veterans committed to attend the protests. I guess brutalizing them would have created too much bad press. Government collaboration with social media to censor and cancel speech. What about what Exxon is doing to that lawyer they lost too? The point is not to villify capitalism... What say is you need to stop idealizing it and acting as if it is beyond reproach.

[@Hromovlad1]

@@laleau92 but it is beyond reproach not because it is good, but because it is self-propagating and self-sustaining wherever goods and services are traded, capitalism will eventually take roots

[@Distractingly_Dope]

The whole season has been about being honest and more vulnerable in relationships, even if it means breaking up. The finale just revealed it in an obvious way. But when you start again at the beginning of season 5 you’ll see the theme was there the whole time. Even the sperm episode which I originally thought was the dumbest was actually “pregnant” with that theme. The model who wanted to know if her husband was wearing her thong when he died summed up the entire season. “Be honest. Sometimes it will hurt people. Sometimes it will help. But always be honest.” She then condemns her husband for the things he was honest about as he died.

[@stardust26261]

oh yeeeee. the season finaly with pooppy butthole too

[@nostalji93]

Or garbage gruber. His wife was angry at him for eating garbage while haveing a high education. She thinks it is beneath him, but he seems quite happy doing it. I am not sure if he is dishonest towards Rick or towards his wife. He might prefer that life over being a doctor. Or not and Rick is worse than a slave owner again.

[@alanfoxman5291]

Always be honest, people say. But they realy dont want honesty. They want to continue in their fantasy world. What they want is confirmation bias. And they punish you when the truth conflicts with their worldview. Regardless of whether they are in the right or not (Birdperson asking Rick to confirm that he withheld info about BP's kid and punishing Rick by leaving him when Rick is honest. BP was absolutely right to do so but he's still, in the end, punishing Rick for being honest). Being honest gets you nowhere.

[@ATMOSK1234]

I mean yeah. Being honest about being an asshole does not make you less of an asshole.

[@wandilemtambo9962]

@@alanfoxman5291 Is that really the case though? I mean bird person may want some distance as a result of yet again being shitty but now there's no longer ant real animosity between them, at least not any that Rick can control.. and if he Bird person were to ever come back they would have be on much better terms in the long run than they would have been had Rick kept the truth.

[@rsrocha1984]

"Lets talk bad about capitalism" but first a word from our sponsors!

[@A_LeftyCatcher_Mitt]

😆 that's what crossed my mind for sec

[@boomerfunnyjimgaffigan4998]

"you want to improve society but you participate in it! hurr durr I'm so fucking smart"

[@rsrocha1984]

@@boomerfunnyjimgaffigan4998 dont take so hard, is a joke not a d*ck

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

@@rsrocha1984 my sphincter could brake your 🐓

[@ryannichols8853]

This dude gets the irony. Lol

[@samoan7775]

I can't believe how addictive this show is. Just started watching this a week ago.

[@IBoofRanchDressing]

Why'd you wait so long. It's been the most popular show now besides game of thrones for almost a decade now

[@anthonyitaliano7316]

@@IBoofRanchDressing People can be stubborn starting new shows.

[@samoan7775]

@@IBoofRanchDressing yeah I've just put it off, I can see now I should have started it sooner.

[@robertmoore2049]

@@samoan7775 I’m just glad you started watching! Better late than never…

[@JRoseKatz98]

Lol dude I know you're just being honest but literally the immediate reaction was, and I think for the rest of these comments: YOU'RE KINDA LATE

[@tennesseejermyn7705]

Season 5 felt like rick and morty know exactly what they are- how they are perceived, what they can do, what people are expecting them to do, and then they play with it

[@MsZeeZed]

In retrospect that’s been happening since Season 3 Ep1 when they set up Rick’s “fake” back-story in the *Schezwan Sauce* episode. I have the must buy Schezwan tee to commemorate the major reveal (that Western “Culture” ended {in about 2003 [in retrospect]})

[@saroachman]

I don't think Rick created the central finite curve to protect himself from the other universes, I actually think he made it to protect all those other Ricks who still have their families.

[@themonkeyman2790]

woah damn nice thought

[@GippyHappy]

Little of column A, little of column B

[@KyleAllenMusic]

This show is definitely pulling a Steven Universe/Gravity Falls and taking a serious turn. I really hope they expand the character growth in the next season.

[@moatplay]

I think Evil Morty will play golf. In the opening credits of this season we have several scenes that sort of defy expectation. There is a seen where the Smith family is eating dinner and their heads pop off and turn in to spiders, a seen where Beth is play mailbox baseball with a race if aliens that look like mailboxes, another from the Gotron episode where the Smith family gets sucked into tubes to pilot their mecha. And then there is a seen where Morty is playing golf. Golf. And nothing weird happens. He sinks a putt, everyone cheers, and there is no Rick to be seen. Every time I watch the opening credits this scene always trips me off because I’m always expecting something weird to happen. But, nothing happens. After watching the finale I believe that is Evil Morty.

[@growingoaks]

Maybe thats what planet hes on now does.

[@Richie_Godsil]

I can't remember if Dan Harmon or Justin Roland mentioned this in a behind the scenes, but there are always 6 vignettes during a season's opening credits. 3 of them are actually from episodes of said season and the other 3 are just weird, random scenarios the creative team came up with. With how zany RnM is it's impossible to tell which 3 are the non-sequiturs until the season is finished.

[@fortsechs]

@@Richie_Godsil Since the golf scene didn´t turn up in any episode, it can in fact be seen as a conscious irritation hinting at a rickless normality that borders on the banal.

[@JT2140]

Is it just me or did the confirmation of Rick's backstory tell us that He's from a dimensions where no Morty Existed because his wife and daughter were killed? Meaning the Beth he randomly showed up to was from a dimension that a Rick left? Or am I reading too much into it?

[@Stinkoman87]

No, that's pretty much it. His Beth died while she was only a child, and in a drunken stupor he wound up in a universe where that Beth lived but her Rick walked out on her.

[@danieldishon688]

Maybe now the wall is down, we can see a universe that has a Jerry as its smartest man in the universe.

[@austintufnell7529]

It’s where doofus Rick came from

[@edelfelix7333]

I would find it Funny if rick would always be the smartest. So the central finite curve would only seperate the ricks that still have a diane and ricks who dont. Cause the ricks with diane dont embrace the Genius Level intellect

[@urbaraskpraetor3316]

Pretty sure the wall still exists, evil morty just escaped.

[@zoser595]

@@urbaraskpraetor3316 Pretty sure he destroyed it

[@blakewisswell]

@@austintufnell7529 no tall Morty is just from a very slow universe. But it's still one where he's the smartest one in it so it's included in the central finite curve.

[@antondonohue8943]

My interpretation of the blob that enjoys being hurt was as a reference to Adorno's culture industry. This is an essay that basically claims that even critiques of capitalism are subsumed by capitalism. These critiques therefore work to further empower capitalist interests.

[@kodaxmax]

applied to the show/ creator he had to play the capitlism game to make a popular/profitabe show, before cramming it full of on the nose political critique? becoming part the problem in hopes of using that power to raise awareness?

[@Hromovlad1]

making Capitalism the perfect system

[@mikeuffman4941]

Huh

[@kodaxmax]

@@Hromovlad1 if your a machoistic metaphorical blobmonster sure

[@Hromovlad1]

@@kodaxmax not saying is is an utopia, just that it is ultimately self-sustaining

[@theFLCLguy]

I think it means we will see universes where Rick isn't an all powerful science God. It frees them to tell any story now. They don't have to follow the standard format.

[@Starcrash6984]

Really? Really??? They told stories earlier which concluded with Rick dying specifically _because_ he was an all-powerful science God. They can't tell those kinds of stories now. Every bit of violence or death has a permanent consequence, and thus limits what you can do with characters after those stories. I can't imagine even a single bit of story that is "freer" thanks to these new limitations on Rick's multiplicity.

[@pugonadrone976]

Wren: Take this test to find out how much money you have to pay to not feel shitty about yourself.

[@Remo9200]

commodification of liberal guilt 😂

[@madgatter1047]

That shit was so long and boring I quit watching the video and went to the comment section

[@mcfarofinha134]

Yeah, the only ones that could change this were the oil conglomerates, and they royally shafted us all

[@wd89601]

Not sure it's about not feeling shitty it's about trying to do something helpful if u see a problem in the world

[@AmirJKhan2006]

i like how its back to the idea that rick is just one of the smartest beings and not the smartest being in the universe like it was in s1 and s2

[@daniele7989]

It was the most clever way to expand the already infinite multiverse and raise the stakes

[@kodaxmax]

it was always a self proclaimed title wasn't it? though we and morty had little reason to doubt it in those episodes.

[@mikemorro140]

@@kodaxmax eh the galactic federation does claim he's the smartest man in the universe as well

[@kodaxmax]

@@mikemorro140 yeh but they can barley match wits with morty, what do they know?

[@DoubleO88]

I always had the feeling that Rick always knew he'd win almost like he was in the WWE and was fake fighting for our entertainment but now with the universe expanded and Rick no longer the smartest maybe we'll see more fear in Rick and him not being so confident in battles.

[@Peteman]

Does that mean that the means of breaking out of capitalism is also doomed to crush the people its replacement promises to help but ultimately only benefit those at the top of the new system?

[@jarrod5854]

Nice, very nice

[@Hromovlad1]

Exactly!

[@ninjatortise8958]

I mean, the reason why the people on the top are successful to begin with is because they create there own system with in the system. If, you want to break away from the system create your own business

[@ninjatortise8958]

And, become financially free so you have no one to answer to

[@Avenger19111]

That's what happened in all communist countries. Ambitious, intelligent & power hungry psychopaths will climb whatever system they have or will create an entirely new one.

[@avinashb4485]

I feel this show is intentionally made for re-watching. There's so much content stuffed in each episode and you can't sum up everything even if you are following regularly. This will be remained as a masterpiece for generations.

[@jlynn2863]

So a thought I had when we revisited the episode where we first meet Evil Morty is that he is the one actually controlling the Evil Rick, thereby the mastermind behind all of those Mortys being tortured. If our Rick hadn't found Evil Morty in the first place, all of those Mortys being tortured wouldn't have been sent to the Citadel and Evil Morty would have been safe from the endless cycle of being controlled by Ricks. Evil Morty was already trying to get out of the cycle and Rick C-137 destroyed his world outside of a Rick dominated universe. That's all I got so far but I think it has something to do with Gen Zers trying to break out of capitalism in their own way but are constantly brought back into the system and forced to find other ways to break the cycle (thereby creating another cycle of trying to break free of a capitalist society). Love to hear your thoughts on this!

[@marX7494]

I think this season of the show showed how much Rick has changed when it comes to Morty. Rick knows he needs Morty and Rick is more willing to openly express his love for Morty and how much Rick truly cares. I think Rick also knows and accepts that he should find a way to heal and tell Beth how much he loves her and what he did just to see her again after she died in the original timeline. I think telling Beth would finally let Rick allow himself to be happy. It's what Diane would have wanted.

[@Rampala]

Also, can we revisit Doofus Rick from season one? His presence implies that Rick certainly has the ability to travel outside the central finite curve since Doofus Rick could only have come from one of those universes. And in retrospect, this was probably the reason Doofus Rick was wearing a yellow shirt (originally, I thought this was a reference to Morty, but since the gold shirt also matches the portal Evil Morty makes outside the CFC, I think that's what's it's referencing). Like Morty, Doofus Rick is only there to be exploited by genius Ricks. I wonder if we'll see Doofus Rick again?

[@trunksc1]

doofus Rick was still the smartest in his universe, hence the people from his universe eating shit.

[@swerzye4472]

@UCJLvp7Aty5uB3OGRz_-Fjmw doofus Rick doesn’t eat shit

[@swerzye4472]

Doofus Rick doesn’t wear a yellow shirt. Also, doofus Rick is still the smartest in his universe

[@kodaxmax]

we see no evidence doofus rick even is stupider either. we only see him bullied. thers a good chance hes just as smart as any rick, just without the assholish confidence of most ricks.

[@Rampala]

@@trunksc1 That had crossed my mind, but DF calls himself "the worst Rick" and no version of Genius Rick has ever come close to criticizing themselves (until episode two of season five, maybe).

[@Jarod-te2bi]

3:17 when I saw the wheel I didn’t laugh I felt sorry for Rick even pity him it rem dined me that Bird person said Rick is on great pain over his past and especially his wife, so he numbs himself with making others feel bad and alcoholism. Rick is a jerk to hide his pain and self hatred.

[@croakmcgloak3568]

I laughed

[@Starcrash6984]

Which is actually a pretty good metaphor for bosses in a capitalist system. They see others to be a means to an end (specifically, more wealth), and so they are driven by cognitive dissonance to be as cruel as possible to those others in order to justify their cruelty. If it becomes "normalized" to be so cruel and the others are de-humanized, then one can rationalize one's own cruelty in order to perpetuate it guilt-free.

[@tomfisher6422]

From the explanation given in S1E10 about the off-setting "Morty" waves, is it possible that it's not stupidity, but unconventional intelligence that the people of Earth can't grasp? I have seen Morty come up with solutions that Rick didn't. This suggests a complimentary intelligence. Also, as the series progressed, Morty has become more assertive and resourceful. I suspect that this results from being paired with the "Rickest Rick" and not dying as often as his counterparts with other Ricks. It is adaptation that would not be possible for a Morty that is disposed of and replaced on a regular basis.

[@bluesira]

It also serves Rick's self-interest to not be honest with Morty about WHY he is useful, instead using it as another chance to establish intellectual dominance by implying Morty is stupid.

[@robonthecob6920]

I'd love to see an Evil Morty episode next season. No C-137 characters, just a standalone Evil Morty episode where he's arrived in a new universe.

[@IDKman555]

The post-credit scene for the last episode was heartbreakingly honest. Got me in the feels.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

This season definitely had a lot of exploitation themes, in Evil Marty’s pursuit of a system devoid of exploitation he ends up being perhaps the biggest perpetrator of exploitation. This is essentially what the current alternatives to capitalism have presented. China, USSR, and North Korea all rely (or relied) upon mass amounts of exploitation and depravity to function. Perhaps this season’s message is that ultimately it is in the nature of power that it necessitates exploitation in order to exist, especially in the context of humanity.

[@secularmonk5176]

The only way to have agency is to have power. And to acquire power is to lessen the relative agency of others. The trick to sustaining control is to make it look like you're doing everyone a favor ... notice I didn't ascribe this reasoning to any particular economic system. Also, it is possible for "x" amount of exploitation to generate "greater than x" amount of agency ... a non-zero-sum scenario, for example, as seen in the evolutionary circle of life

[@jeffreycarman2185]

@@secularmonk5176 I should have more explicit, What meant to say was that systems of power are naturally exploitative.

[@secularmonk5176]

@@jeffreycarman2185 Oh, no, I got it ... was it not clear I was nodding in agreement? (I gave you a thumbs up, but I also know that leaving a reply pleases The Algorithm)

[@diogoneves6275]

what? no. that's not evil Morty means at all, he wasn't an alternative to capitalism. he did hate the system, but he never changed it, quite the contrary he accelerated it until it crashed. that's why he's evil. he hated not only the ricks, but also his mortys counter parts since in his eyes every other morty was a irredeemable sucker that perpetrated the system that exploited them. so he used them untill he got what he wanted and then left

[@diogoneves6275]

@@HydratedBeans the interesting part is them judging other nations sins, especially socialists ones (as they should) but then being oblivious to their state being guilty of the same sins or worse either in america or abroad. the global south has suffered so much at their behest

[@soxxks]

Aye let's go. Was hyped for this take. Can't wait for Film Theory

[@samantha-jaynechapman2950]

Me too, we just have to wait for Mat to stop having a joygasim to see his thoughts. Looking forward to it

[@angelcanez4426]

Crows hold grudges so them burning Rick & leaving him was probably a well though out dick move 😂

[@royaljunior2125]

Pretty sure, just like most of this season, the finale was about relationships and how we view/need/want them more so than capitalism

[@TheOneManWhoBeatYou]

Because nothing like shoving your own personal political views in the audience's face, truly makes a show better...

[@GlacialScion]

@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou Only watch stuff you already agree with if you're gonna complain.

[@TheOneManWhoBeatYou]

@@GlacialScion Or how about we go back to watching things for entertainment and a little bit of escapism from shit like that? Why does every pretentious writer feel the need to spout their opinions all over shows now to the point that it's distracting and kills the immersion? Writers like that just think they're philosophical geniuses and the masses just need to hear their message...

[@GlacialScion]

@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou Do that, then. Stop bitching.

[@deadmemes719]

@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou eh let a writer have their voice. It’s not like Rick stared at the camera and said,” you are what’s wrong with society.”

[@SuperVaIle]

Interesting note that Rick picks two crows of all things, a clear reference to the allfather and all-knowing Oden from Norse mythology, and Morty sacrifices his own hand, a be reference to Tyr who does the same, also from Norse mythology. I'll have to watch and look for connections.

[@Altorin]

I love how by the time Rick gets to the end of his Background he has just completely checked out. It starts as a bout of depression as he can't find the right Rick, and then he resigns to the banality of his existence by killing himself over and over. By the end of it he's just completely tired and completely checked out on his backstory. It reflects Dan and Justin's clear issues resolving the mystery box style writing that they use. Rick refuses to even try to explain his backstory to morty until its right at the end, and then he basically crams his whole history into Mortys brain. It's like Dan and Justin are Rick and the audience hungry to unpack the mystery box are Morty, and they're just like "is this what you wanted you stupid kids? Choke on this backstory. All your shitty theories were basically right, confuckingratu-belch-lations

[@GeriatricFan1963]

I dunno, I kind of preferred the original explanation that Rick made up his cliche tragic backstory about his original wife and Beth being murdered just to fool Nathan Fillion bug guy. I would have been fine if they never explained what Rick's actual deal is, but now they've revealed that the cliche backstory was actually real, which kind of retroactively ruins that earlier joke for me. If the point was to show that Rick's backstory is hyped up so much by the fandom as this really important thing, when actually it has no resolution and doesn't really impact anything going forwards, then they succeeded. But personally, I wasn't one of the people making those theories, so it comes over as a bit of a Strawman to me. I've got to be honest, I don't really think Rick needed his family to be murdered be an alternate dimension version of himself to fall into depression and come to the conclusion that nothing matters anymore. It felt very much like they wanted to have their cake and eat it. "Backstory and canon sucks, by the way here's a backstory montage for Rick, whatever."

[@therecombinant6215]

But you understand how cathartic it was?

[@kieran10202]

It's kind of hard to understand or even to like a character if they're a mystery, we can't understand why c137 is the rickest rick unless we know he hates other ricks the most for killing his wife, and we don't known why he's considered a terrorist or why he hates the citadel until we know all this. Without knowing his story is different it's all just arbitrary.

[@sechernbiw3321]

​@@GeriatricFan1963 I felt there was some meta-irony going on there (I'm not an intellectual, I just watch jreg). They can always reveal later that Rick hacked Evil Morty's brain scan device, inserted a fake backstory and gave Evil Morty coordinates to some incredibly terrible alternative universe, like a universe where every world in every universe is just yet another version of butt-world. Then you have a cliche tragic backstory revealed as a fake to trick Nathan Fillion bug, only to be revealed later as real the whole time, only to later be revealed to actually be fake. I can't even tell if I want this or not. It would be really funny, but such an incredible drag at the same time. There's probably a way to make that good though. Maybe Evil Morty knew the whole time and has a genius plan to immediately escape butt universe and go somewhere else, but could also care less what Rick's real backstory is.

[@han090]

@@GeriatricFan1963 We still don't know WHY they were killed though. I feel like that may end up being the part he lied about.

[@zelex1456]

Been waiting on this, what a finale man.

[@TulipQ]

I feel like Dan Harmon wants the rights to Discworld so he can make "Mort, Esquire, AKA Morty" or something.

[@AdrianInniss]

This review @wisecrack was the perfect quick take. Logic and balance unraveling and tied up the too episode's and the philosophical undertones in such a beautiful and precise way

[@92HazelMocha]

“Is there an alternative to capitalism” is the wrong question. The real question should be, “is there an alternative to exploitation”. Alternatives to capitalism already exist and we have working examples to look to, however the reason capitalism still exists and these examples are not held up on a pedestal is because they are almost if not equally as exploitative as the capitalist systems they intended to break away from. DPRK provides a case example; while it is a communist nation, not only does it still exploit average citizen, it still has a class system. In nations like these the bourgeoisie has just been replaced by a political elite while maintaining a lower working class. Additionally the foundation of Marx’s work is the idea that in the industrial era exploitation of the working class is both unproductive and immoral and that capitalism is the primary driver of said exploitation. While he was definitely correct in the context, the perceived remedies were to end capitalism and not the underlying exploitation that made a change necessary in the first place.

[@stanhry]

Marxist systems are just as exploitive, because are human beings are exploitive. Forced labor camps in China for instance.

[@keksitse]

@@stanhry China is not a marxist country nor has it ever been. Their interpretation of marxism is wrong and absurd. Now they don't even call China communist anymore.

[@stanhry]

@@keksitse Chinese Communist Party (CCP) that rules over China would put you in one of those labor camps for say that. They just had 100 year celebration of it just this year.

[@shadowrealmmedia9448]

Communism feeds off the labor of the worker without pay. Everyone gets paid with a fixed income while the fear of being sent to laborious death camps is always on the nigh, it's slavery with an idealistic, pretty label on top. Sickening

[@92HazelMocha]

@@stanhry That’s a dark outlook, so you don’t think there’s any system we could conceive that would prevent mass exploitation?

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

Actually Rick subliminally shows many times that he cares for Morty

[@TripleMoonPanda]

Post Scarcity Humanitarian Society. The technology for and society like this already exists, but to have a true post scarcity society we must also have a profound shift in the collective consciousness of the entire planet. One can't exists without t'other. The real question we need to answer about this before the idea of this type of society could ever become a reality is, will it take a post scarcity society to begin the process of gaining that level of consciousness, or do we need that level of consciousness for a post scarcity society to even begin to exist? Basically the chicken or the egg problem needs to be solved.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

There is no such thing as post scarcity world unless there is infinite resources

[@ZanethMedia]

We are nowhere near a post scarcity world.

[@han090]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl a) You wouldn't need infinite resources, only enough to satisfy everyone b) What it takes to satisfy everyone is also a factor in scarcity. Hence the need for collective consciousness to change.

[@hermaeusmora2945]

I guess you've been in coma for awhile and missed the whole Pandemic where the Globalist Elites the largest transfer of wealth in history and it was to make themselves richer, not engage in humanitarianism. If we're in or close to a post-scarcity society...explain Biden's fucking up of our country and the rising inflation as a result?

[@hermaeusmora2945]

@@han090 It will never happen because "what it takes to satisfy" differs from person to person, that's why Communism was a clusterfuck and ended up with a small group elite dictating to everyone else what they (according to the small group, not the majority) need. We see this shit going on today with the richest of the rich in the world telling us "you'll own nothing and be happy" and that we all have to make sacrifices to "build back better" as part of a "great reset"; none of us in the majority were asked, we are being dictated to by some out of touch cunts.

[@danshakulawrence983]

At first I was sick with Evil Morty for the... ahem, _rerouting._ That was messed up. But then I looked at the Morty origin flashback again and realized that there were landfills full of Morty corpses (4:54). The Ricks would have done the same thing.

[@chazblank2717]

Morty will ultimately forgive Rick after his discovery of the commodification of Morty’s. And this isn’t just a lazy plot contrivance to get back to classic Rick & Morty adventures at the beginning of next season. It has to do with a couple things 1) our Rick adamantly maintaining “I don’t do time-travel” and 2) The Vat of Acid Episode The Vat of Acid Episode is a direct contrast to Morty’s Mind-Blowers. It gives the audience a sense that our Morty has received a streamlined crash-course in the dire consequences of universe hopping along with the psychological burden of killing infinite versions of himself from Rick. And as far as we can see it’s not a memory Morty chooses to have wiped or has wiped by a vindictive Rick. Since it appears that elderly groups of Rick’s are the ones messing with timelines setting up Beth’s and Jerry’s, C-137’s hard line against time-travel and working with other Rick’s will become significant in his apology to Morty. We can infer Summer was born some time shortly prior to the Battle of Blood Ridge, because Bird-Person’s memory of 35 year old Rick who planned their attack is aware of other Rick’s who have already moved back in with “adult versions of our dead daughter.” This would mean Rick and Diane were likely high school sweethearts as well. 17+18=35 ... Assuming Bird Person is in his early 20’s at the battle, this fits perfectly with Summer’s friend Tammy marrying “a forty year old bird person” 16-17 years later. This timeline also allows for Bird Person to take the picture of C-137 holding (perhaps the first) baby Morty three years after the Battle of Blood Ridge.

[@JustRutland]

Well put :)

[@anthonyitaliano7316]

It looks like your math adds up perfectly, the only problem is that it doesn't fit with how old Rick supposedly is! Think about it...if he was 35 when Beth had Summer and Summer is 17 years old that would make Rick *52* years old, a lot less than the 70-80 age thrown around in canon.

[@chazblank2717]

@@anthonyitaliano7316 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYuvn3uNicuDbqs At 1:17 we see 35 year old C-137 infiltrate another Rick’s garage to scan a star chart in his quest for revenge. This other Rick is already old and living with teenage Summer and Morty. In the sequence of the flashback this is immediately after his rejection at Blood Ridge. I dunno man, this would seem to kinda throw my whole timeline estimation for a loop... although at the same time it completely nullifies your argument against it. The teenage Summer and Morty from this dimension he visits would’ve been born almost two full decades prior to the Battle of Blood Ridge, when C-137 would’ve been in high school. The constant is Bird Person. If he’s in his twenties when Rick is in his thirties, and we know that Rick wouldn’t replace this Bird Person... and since we know this Bird Person is now in his forties, then C-137 is still 20-30 years older than he should be... right? My explanation for this, is that as much as C-137 says he’s against time travel, he still does things adjacent to it like freezing time for six months to clean the house after a party. We also know C-137 will dutifully close any time-loops he becomes involved in. So much so that he’ll punch Morty in the face for no other reason than to avoid creating a new paradox, like we see in Rattle Star Ricklactica. Six months here cleaning the house, a few hours there learning snake math and inventing snake time-travel... I’m sure that kinda stuff adds up over a lifetime of galactic adventuring. It’s exactly like how in Back to the Future III, Marty and Jennifer are right back in the middle of the same weekend they left in the first movie. Meaning they’ve had at least two weeks of experiences in what amounts to basically zero time passed for everyone and everything else around them. Marty appears to have aged several years and Jennifer looks like a completely different person 😁

[@dankl3ss194]

1 weird thing is the Rickiest Rick never had or knew about Morty before he created the portal gun since his wife and daughter died. But the mind scaning in s1 showed he does cared about Morty

[@sleeplesshollow4216]

Evil Morty understood that only a Sith can truly be free

[@danielramsey6141]

Not really! Especially since all the Sith want (and do) is Rule the World or Galaxy you live in!

[@caad5258]

lol

[@kodaxmax]

"Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me." basically rick and evil morty yeh. atleast earlier rick anyway.

[@igorkornienko7761]

11:16 The end of ANY specific(and abstract, on top of it) thing thats interconnected with lots of other things is always harder to imagine than the end of the world, duh. The end of the world is just so easy to imagine. Cartoon like RnM can visualize it in 3 seconds or smth

[@stefgreen5237]

Wren - capitalism making money from pushing the idea climate change is a personal thing rather than something conglomerates need to tackle/the whole system change against its inherent built in waste

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

That is a market thing not captlisim if all workers owe the means of production the same thing would have happened

[@wmhilton-old]

My personal take is it's less an intentional critique and more of Roiland and Harmon expressing how they are in a toxic relationship with their own creation. They clearly want to work on other things, but - bc capitalism - they are trapped in a universe where they signed a contract to make 5 more seasons. They empathize with Evil Morty, bc he wants to destroy their creation and move on to other things.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

That is not really captlisim that is just the market

[@124085]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl At this point they're one and the same.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@124085 you do know that there are many market forms of socialism right

[@124085]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl None that hold any impact on the markets today. Like if you want to reach you can count Venezuela but their influence is so small. The global market is overwhelmingly a capitalist one.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@124085 the point I am trying to make is that socialist global market would not work differently

[@disasterblast]

Question is, why does Rick treat morty and summer so badly considering all the trouble he went through to find a reality where he can have a family. Does he resent them because he knows none of them are his actual family? Does he feel like he doesn’t deserve a family after losing his? If he’s gone through all the loss and pain and effort to finally wind up in a reality where he can live with not only Beth but her own kids, why can’t he just settle down there and live a life? Why does he absorb himself in aimless science?

[@pieflavr]

Welcome to depression

[@june4294]

Rick thinks love is just a chemical reaction. Basically, he's still a kid, who wants to play, discover stuff, go on adventures and protect his heart from heartbrakes. Thats one way to look at it.

[@disasterblast]

@@june4294 if he thinks love is just a chemical reaction then he wouldn’t have travelled the multiverse hunting down whoever killed his wife.

[@june4294]

@@disasterblast Then he either was lying to Morty about Love or he made up his mind few times after his wife passed away.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

"Is there any real alternative to capitalism?" Certainly. All we have to do is invent one. What's stopping us from coming together and doing so?

[@edd9581]

Literally people can organize them selfs to make a better alternative but they can’t because there isn’t

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

@@edd9581 in that case there no harm in trying!

[@edd9581]

@@internalizedhappyness9774 good then do it if is as good as it is suppose to be

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

@@edd9581 how is it suppose to be? I’m new to this

[@Inscriptions37]

When watching the finale, I was a bit dubious about the depth of any capitalism metaphor there, but this analysis actually changed my mind, though I think viewing it through that lens makes Evil Morty worse, not better; He can only escape the central finite curve by continuing the abuse of thousands or millions of his own kind, then ruthlessly murdering them all. He's like the ultra-wealthy people, those who are free from the system or at least have the option to be, who tell themselves that their immoral exploitation of others is justified because "bad things will happen to people regardless of what I do," or because "no one else is smart enough to escape the system but I am so I might as well." These excuses completely ignore privilege and basic morality. Evil Morty has lost sight of how lucky he is and how cruel it is to not try to change the system instead of just walking away.

[@necromancyteacher2481]

For the time being I don't think there is a real alternative to capitalism but I have recently been thinking of a system that could function alongside capitalism in part due to the emergence of new technologies. For years I've been trying to make the case to people that government taxation going to pay for social programs is just government enforced charity. Instead of you donating a dollar to house the homeless the government takes a dollar from your pocket, gives itself 75 cents and then uses the remaining quarter to house the homeless. Yet charity is too easy to ignore or overlook. Granted we're one of the most charitable nations on earth but it's simply not organized well or incentivized. All charitable organizations are divided according to special interests and it's almost impossible to vet them all. The problem with socialism is really in trying to make the same body that's responsible for defending the laws and the nation's sovereignty also responsible for managing the nations charitable donations whether people want to donate or not. In addition the reason that capitalism works so well is that it incentivizes competition and innovation but unfortunately can't do much to incentivize people doing the right and noble thing and fostering a kinder better society. What I propose is that we, the people, in order to form a more perfect union establish our own soft government along with its own alt currency that runs alongside our real government and government backed currency. The soft government would have elected members but wouldn't have the power over people's lives that the real government has, so it couldn't arrest you for not paying taxes for example. What it could do is oversee the system that manages the alternative currency which itself would probably be something like bitcoin with its sort of blockchain uniqueness. Instead of earning it by mining for it, however, you'd essentially be nominated to receive some of this currency by others reporting your kind and selfless deeds or in exchange for donating your time and money to charitable causes. Alternatively you could buy these coins using U.S. dollars or whatever you're willing to trade them for I suppose and so even if no grocery store ever accepted it as a currency it could still store value by acting as something that other people could purchase. Also, because I'm a game design student it occurred to me that in addition, you could use these coins to pay for transactions in certain games which could be made by or on behalf of the soft government of the people. Games like WOW and Secondlife and others have proven that under the right conditions in game markets can be created where people will pay a LOT of real world money for unique in game property. I have even seen some proposals for literally just selling digital real-estate. Micro-transactions also spring to mind. Imagine playing skyrim or something like that and when the digital beggar comes to ask for coins you have the option of spending real money and that will go toward the sort of charitable donations that the soft government is responsible for managing and in exchange in the game you get some sort of buff or boon from the gods or something. In any case the success of such a project would rely on the large scale acceptance of the soft government as a kind of gofundme plus acting as a sort of universal or single payer healthcare system that can't force you to pay but the more widespread the alt currency system becomes the more likely people will be to pay into the system. Plus, because people can get paid in alt currency from the soft government simply by being nominated for being good neighbors and upstanding people it incentivizes good behavior just like a kind of social credit system but in a less dystopian fashion. AND on top of that it will allow society to increase economic mobility by allowing them to use, let's say their monthly 1 vote/nomination per person in order to gang up and suddenly make one really nice person incredibly rich. It costs them nothing but a vote to nominate someone and it ensures that the kind of people most likely to give back to their communities are the ones who suddenly find themselves with a lot of extra money to spend.

[@TheDSasterX]

Bet: nearly all of season 6 follows evil morty as he explores how the universe without rick at the top is no less terrible and he has to seek ricks out for help. Sidebet: Evil morty and the citadel of morty's that control the ricks (flipping the script) decide to merge back into the ~central finite curve~ Sidesidebet: Evil morty and morty get into one of those doppleganger grapples and we never find out which one comes out on top (ala beth's clone) Sidesidesidebet: (our) Rick ends up having to deal with the concept that his entire family may or may not be his, and that his efforts to make an egocentric universe caused all his pains since the show began, he actually ends up going through with suicide in a framing that makes us feel happy for him even though the entire universe is on fire thanks to him.

[@MrSlayerkid117]

Maybe idk Dan and his crew of righters were pretty upfront about it being critical of late stage capitalism, the universe itself will likely be better to mortys and that's the point more than anything.

[@LS95774]

"Three contingency bets eh?" "It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off"

[@zeo4481]

Bet: season 6 will have NOTHING to do whit ,, Evil Morty" because the writers didn't want to give him a plotline anyway and now they found a way to shut up the fans that constantly demand it.

[@lughmanwatandust1020]

No I don't think so except for the part that other universes are very FUCKED up too But imagine the rest of multiverse had built the finite curve for banning the Rick s!!!!

[@bongosock]

I've come to see Rick and Morty as a single character: with Rick representing the ultimate adapted adult, and Morty as the archetypal wounded child

[@arcadedomination8006]

Evil Morty still succumbs to "the best possible choice" for only himself through his 'Rickitalist" experiences though. He doesn't free all morty's and has never seen that as a viable goal to strive towards. He's still adopted the atomising and dividing philosophy of the ruling system. He does break free, but I feel that his imagination has still been tainted by what he's been subjected to. Not that that isn't understandable or avoidable, but I think it gives a sour undertone to his "freedom". The only seemingly viable option to escape the system was to use part of it.

[@Copyright_Infringement]

I can't believe you actually went with this take. I can't believe you actually went with this take.

[@willichtenstein7071]

R&M was always constrained by its own conventions. Rick being unstoppable and abusive, the family relationships being intact, and so on. What this finally hopefully has done, is break the series conventions and remold the show. There can be antagonists that Rick can't beat, like a trans-multiverse government and other organizations that caused the Ricks to band together. There can be other family members that exist where Beth marries some one else, and that's its own common universe occurrence.

[@lohankarachay476]

I am all for "For a new system tô really function it would have to make the old one obsolete" and that zeitgeist and project Venus thing.

[@MelodicQuest]

The Capitalism metaphor and the Inter-personal Relationship metaphor are very much interwoven. In both, you often have people so numb to the constant cycle of abuse that they literally cannot fathom of anything better. However, when someone does speak out and offer an alternative solution, they scrutinized and labeled a villian by those who have become complicit to how things are. Breaking away may sound bad but keeping things as they are is clearly doing more harm than good.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Exactly, we are told again and again this is reality, there isn't another alternative, we are being indoctrinated. Only when we realize the reality of what happen and seek more we can TRULLY grow outside the abusive relationships and as a person. This is hey is always good learn about other cultures and think of it as what would you feel if you where a part of said culture. Expand your horizons and perspective. Learning othe rleanguages help a lot in this regard

[@catdogmousecheese]

That sounds an awful lot like something a communist would say 🤔 Are you a KGB agent?! Are you with Antifa?! Who is your master demon?!

[@ericquiabazza2608]

@@catdogmousecheese my master is myself, i have no aligance, not even to my own goberment, just my curiosity and morals are my guide

[@elis.5350]

Love the episode. As for the whole Capitilism fix there is a certain amount that can never go away based purely on the reality of Supply and Demand there will always competition between suppliers to be able to handle more of that Demand. As long as we progress we will try to find better and cheaper/more efficient ways of doing things. The best system (until Mankind can fully come together as a species towards advancement) is a constant battle of free market and the greed that comes with it against a very tempered hand that keeps things like monopolies and unhonest/unfair business and employment practices from occurring. Go to hard on the rich and succesful and there is no sky to reach for so going above and beyond is pointless. To soft and we get things like company towns and PMC's more powerful than the military you pay to protect you. And obviously never let money be able to dictate lawmaking and enforcing. Don't let politicians receive or give money beyond their salary any campaigning should be paid for by a set amount after would be candidate gets enough signatures to warrant a ballot. Sorry bout the tangent there at the end.

[@bigjake360t]

The thing about democracy is that anything is possible. The catch being that you have to get enough people to agree.

[@saqvobase4301]

The knowledge that there are beings more powerful than rick outside of the central finite curve is honestly terrifying

[@ticktricknik]

Growth and effectiveness of allocating ressources make some capitalist critics seem like they dont know economic fundamentals…

[@epicmonkey6663]

It's funny the series started out on wacky Adventures not connected to a generalized story till the end of each season yet people complain even though they're still doing that I'm fine with it I love it we get funny wacky Adventures and then towards the end were left with mind-blowing things to contemplate until the next season what's wrong with that everyone's complaining about a consistent formula leave them to their writing process I say because they will come out with better stories because they have time instead of just constantly giving us personal episodes like this I wanted Rick's backstory I'm glad I did give us that I do wish it was longer and had some dialogue but now that we've seen this it would be cool if for one of their episodes they do a flashback solo adventure of a young Rick

[@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667]

When we are going to talk about Tha Cadmus arc from justice league unlimited? It is awesome. A little bit of watchmen, civil war, the incredibles, batman tas, superman tas. They explore the power of government, the good/evil. The question and Waller steal the whole show.

[@alphtheor.879]

i wonder if the reference to to operation phoenix is meant to mean that even death holds no escape or change for capitalism.

[@Starcrash6984]

Maybe, but it would be a false analogy. Companies have no use for dead workers.

[@uncanalmenor]

"Next: Is capitalism bad? But first a word from our sponsors... Would you like to outsource your global warming guilt to a private company further individualizing and capitalizing solutions to collective problems? ... Now back to our regular programing... Capitalism, there's no end to it"

[@tristanneal9552]

Good analysis but I feel it stopped short of one very important point that the episode made. It's not that evil Morty simply imagines a world without Rick (or in the capitalism metaphor, a world without bosses). He MAKES it, explicitly through the blood and lives of those living in the system - both Rick and Morty. To me, this is a very clear call to action. The only way to imagine a world without capitalism is to make it for ourselves through revolution, and revolutions always have a cost. Many capitalists (Ricks) will die, but so will many working class people (Morty's) in the pursuit of a new system, but that is a necessary sacrifice if the system is to ever change.

[@johnassal5838]

Sure they were critiquing capitalism. They were also effectively undoing all established tropes and norms established within the show and setting up those dark/wacky serialized adventures to be wayyyy outside Ricks comfort zone.

[@juliecostello42]

I once read a bumper sticker that read "take your time to think, it isn't illegal yet."...yet....but money is definitely the root of all evil and I don't just believe it, I know it...

[@joshualogan84]

I have to be honest, "It's easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of Capitalism," isn't exactly profound. Human beings have been imagining the end of the world prior to capitalism and will continue to do so, post capitalism (the book of Revelation, the heat death of the universe, Ragnorak, Beerus the destroyer...basically any destruction myth throughout human history.) Capitalism as a system is hard to imagine ending because we've all been groomed by it in some sort of way but the end of the world... well, that's just something billions of species have experienced at least six times. The end of the world is tied to a fear of death or the inevitability of death, the two 'imagination' scenarios aren't equitable.

[@SkyrimFanForever1]

It's not trying to be profound nor is it that original. Many people have argued throughout history that the lower class in a society likely often thought of no alternative that wouldn't bring the end of the world. Many slaves likely did not envision freedom (that is not to say that many slaves didn't practice rebellious tactics or push for freedom throughout history). Many feudal serfs didn't either. It's how history evolves. The lower class assumes that we have achieved the end of history while the upper class promulgates the myth that, indeed, we have. Capitalism seems unique at this specific juncture because of the effects of mass media, promotion of illusion through entertainment and education, and the newfound capabilities of weaponry, technology, and political capital to maintain the subservience of the population. Capitalism is extraordinarily effective at this process of 'capitalist realism' which has existed in various other economic systems throughout history. That is the purpose of this quote in my opinion: to demonstrate that we have reached the current , possibly not penultimate, most efficient form of this economic realism which is a historical trend. The primary purpose of the quote isn't to be taken quite as literal as you mean which is to say that the two are equatable; however, I have been told by many people that the end of capitalism means the apocalypse. Food for thought. It's an explication of this modern mythos.

[@joshualogan84]

@@SkyrimFanForever1 I think I understand what you are saying, however I think the reason I took it literally is because it is used in the video in a literal sense. I'll rewatch the vid and see if I misunderstood how the quote was used.

[@kieran10202]

I suppose there's an allegory between evil morty destroying the citadel and capitalism destroying itself, as it has in the guilded age and great depression, and almost in the great recession, which we saw in the rickshank redemption when rick half destroyed the citadel.

[@josephrobinson6171]

Hmmm funny how most socialist and communist societies implode in exactly that way. And before you say it, no, Denmark and Sweden are not examples of successful socialist countries; they’re social democracy

[@kieran10202]

@@josephrobinson6171 here's why you're wrong: there is no socialism without democracy. Socialism is defined as public control of the economy. If the public doesn't get a vote, it is by definition not socialism. Therefore western european socialism is the most accurate example of socialism, and is in fact the least likely to implode, but rather be slowly forced toward captialism by the influence of the wealthy, as in the US.

[@avjitsingh7465]

Evil Morty; arguably the unlikely winner of this season. Rooting for him for seasons ahead!

[@spencerdokes6056]

I've been buying each episode on the PS4 but now when I search for rick and morty its not there.... anyone know what is up here???

[@comedyman4896]

The whole "Morty finds a relationship with someone and then they turn out evil" plotline was already old with Planetina, with portal guy it was just beating a dead horse

[@evansageser6943]

Meh like to me it's a different sort of relationship. Even though Morty was blowing off Rick for Planetina, she wasn't really supposed to be a replacement for his relationship with Rick like Nick was.

[@ginopinori]

Not to say that him being dumb about Planetina was tiresome, because he never learns? He learned a lot with Rick and the adventures he’s got himself in, but not to see the clearly problem in front of him? Hopefully it’ll change next season

[@homosexualitymydearwatson4109]

It was just following a theme and idk it felt different than planet Tina, I feel as though that relationship had a different meaning, rather than one with just a partnership

[@comedyman4896]

@@evansageser6943 for me, the problem is that I can't get invested in the relationship in the first place, because the moment they show how great the relationship is I'm like "oh, they're evil", and at that point it's like I'm just waiting for the writers to tell me what I already know. I mean, it's not like they're just gonna have Morty find a great relationship and leave it at that, there's gotta be an edgy twist.

[@justbny9278]

@@comedyman4896 and prob one that will be solved by the end of the episode

[@Waltham1892]

Was I the only one to notice that Odin also traveled with two crows, Huginn (thought) and Muninn (Memory)?

[@dantejackson8670]

That's pretty cool, I had no idea 🤯

[@SurrealKeenan]

Yah... evil morty said that he was called evil because he tried to escape the central finite curve, but I'm pretty sure he was called evil for torturing and murdering sapient beings to achieve his goals. The ends don't justify the means, the means justify the ends

[@tristanmcmorran2217]

Man, I’m really glad that I enjoyed the finale of the show as a grim but satisfying character arc with emotional significance and questions unanswered. It would have been really unenjoyable to see it as a bland metaphor for capitalism. I guess I just don’t think that two references to capitalism are any hint that the whole thing is meant to be read as political, it’s more likely that they’re just interesting non-sequiturs in the dialogue, which the show uses constantly. The finale isn’t about anything other than itself, and if it was, then it would be doing itself a disservice. I just see it as a really impassioned conclusion to everyone’s arcs, which uses a couple of references to capitalism, among plenty of other things, as narrative tools to tell the story. Reading into it and trying to imply some philosophical political message about capitalism is like reading ‘Goldilocks and the three bears’ and thinking it’s a commentary on furniture craftsmanship. I mean, I don’t know, maybe it is, but that would be a weird and really roundabout way to talk about how to make chairs, you know?

[@jackdoyle7453]

I mean if you live in a sane country you have socialist healthcare... God bless the NHS!

[@kylefry8980]

A beveridge health care system is not inherently socialist, but it is one of the best systems for health care.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@kylefry8980 yes socialism is not about health care it is about socializing the economy

[@walrusArmageddon]

🤙🏼🇨🇦

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@walrusArmageddon that is not even an argument

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@Michael Hamm it is not required in socialism ethier and by the way the entire western world is captlisit and not all of them suffer from the same problem

[@elliotwallace3454]

I’m high and drunk af rn but I just wanna say this was the most beautiful laid out and read essays I’ve ever heard/read

[@seankuhn155]

I find it interesting that many of the loudest voices against capitalism are direct and major benefactors of capitalism.

[@georgemuronda7123]

your music guy is the GOAT

[@hermanspaerman3490]

Oh the irony. In this episode we will discuss and critique capitalism , but first a word from our sponsor.

[@AlwaysSomeone]

It is inescapable

[@IsoMorphix]

Keep in mind if you're sympathizing with Evil Morty, youre also sympathizing with tyrants like Hitler and Stalin and anyone else. Or Thanos, if you wanna a less spicy read. No shade. It's difficult. The truth is that most villains have a human desire in their heart that gets externalized in a deeply fucked up way. There's usually that "you're not so different, you and I...I just did what was necessary" speech from a villain. Usually it's their frame they used to reach their conclusion that is fucked. But we should take the premise seriously. It's a little unnerving.

[@sleeplesshollow4216]

most of this season was dope, the first few and last few were all some of my fav episodes

[@cooldrop02]

I thought you were going to touch on the previous examples in the show such as Beth and Jerry's trip to the therapist. It's literally the first reference.

[@starscreamjesse2121]

I support any system where people can share their thoughts about cartoons and make money from it.

[@rockstardeath8558]

Remember, what makes Evil Morty evil is that he sought a new world **for himself alone**

[@rifroll1117]

IMO Rick’s capitalism “metaphor” was just a jab at how basically any abusive relationship where one suffers for another’s game is automatically labeled as a reference to capitalism cuz people can’t stfu about it, and if that’s what the writers intended it as then Wisecrack just walked straight into the trap. Still either way this video is interesting

[@nemanja98rs]

I knew I just had a to wait a bit for this video

[@MineCartable]

To me the capitalism part felt a lot more like a sarcastic: "I've always wanted to say that," joke, rather than an actual critique of capitalism. Otherwise you'd be able to point at any generic exploitative situation as a metaphor for capitalism, rather than just another situation where rick does something absurdly goofy, and round-about during a fight instead of taking the fight scene super seriously.

[@absolutefocus2749]

The writers themself said that this episode is about the "struggles of a zoomer living in late stage capitalism". You don't get more on the nose than that

[@MineCartable]

@@absolutefocus2749 They've also expressed some degree of negativity towards people over analyzing everything about their episodes. Where people ask questions about a certain topic, and response being something like: "We thought it would be weird, or funny."

[@absolutefocus2749]

@@MineCartable yes and? If I make a cake and say it has chocolate in it, and then you taste it, and wow surprise surprise it has chocolate in it, you'd go well that guy wasn't lying. If I make another cake, let's say this one has vanilla, and then people taste it and start making up shit how I've put in cinnamon, and cheese, I'll rightfully go eyo wtf stop overanalyzing, I just put vanilla in, it's a vanilla vanilla cake. On THIS specific episode the writers specifically said what it was about, going against what they said is option 2 but done in another way, instead of tasting the cake and making up shit, you've tastes the cake, the chef told you it's vanilla, it tastes like vanilla, and you go "hm, nah this ain't vanilla chief"

[@MineCartable]

@@absolutefocus2749 Just because the Chef tells me that he wants it to be a vanilla cake doesn't mean it's going to be a vanilla cake, or even a good one at that. If for the duration of the series I'm told that this is just a goofy show with no deeper meaning, and other content creators are chastised for considering otherwise. It sours the taste of the cake when suddenly they decide that they want it to have a deeper meaning, or in the words of the show; when they're doing something other than their typical goofy adventures. You can't treat your seasons as a buffet of goofy recipes, and then serve up a serious vanilla cake at the very end and expect me to fully believe that it's nothing but a serious vanilla cake just because I'm told it is. It might fit for you, but I can't in good conscious say that this makes sense in a series where half of everything is treated like a joke.

[@absolutefocus2749]

@@MineCartable say I'm retarded without saying I'm retarded, great job dude.

[@taylormitchell2994]

Subscribed after a long time watching WC because of how based those takes we’re. Nice job you guys.

[@PDog69]

Oof, that trap beat in the intro 🔥. Speaking of Rick and Morty though lmao I love they named the giant incest space baby 'Naruto', that is just so brilliant - probably my most favourite Rick and Morty thing ever 🥊🎮

[@growingoaks]

1) where did you see they named it that???? 2) rick does a substitution jutsu from naruto in the season finale

[@graynight3478]

Great episode!

[@KalleNoble]

I would call the finale a 2 parter the same way the sperm and robo-weasel episodes were a 2-parter. But no more than that.

[@Pseudo___]

Do you ever think maybe your over thinking this shit?

[@WisecrackEDU]

all the time.

[@brycejohansen7114]

Capitalism is inherently built on the concepts of ownership, exchange, the necessity of exchange (being able to obtain something for survival {Food, Water, Medicine, Shelter, etc etc} ). You can't get rid of Capitalism if you want to keep ownership of your things and the incentive to work for more of those things.

[@kevinwillems8720]

See that's why we want to get rid of those things. Most of them anyways

[@kevinwillems8720]

All you've listed shouldn't be commodities as they are integral to existing. Communism is all about actually taking care of people, while giving them a say in how to live their lives.

[@kevinwillems8720]

Also money isn't a good incentive. The only reason it is, is because survival in capitalism requires it.

[@kevinwillems8720]

Capitalism is built in exploitation. As was mentioned.

[@kevinwillems8720]

See you're clearly suffering from capitalist Realism. This is understandable, you've been propagandized info capitalism your while life, as everyone has. There is a way out of this, if you only look for it.

[@momokib]

i think every one is missing the bigger message here rick i crying out to everyone asking them to go back to a non linear story structure, and that the viewers are like a bunch of evil mortys who care only about the linear story line and the back story. i think the writers are asking us to stop digging too much into this.

[@kodaxmax]

they tried that with the cat/ dragon episode too. but its hard to take it seriously when they put such grand conspiracies in all the time.

[@a_e_hilton]

It would've been nice to address Ryan's point of how Rick and Morty often uses capitalism-commentary iconography to make fun of dumb capitalism critiques - if we could look at which bits are that and which bits are sincere

[@JustinStarrPhotography]

Excellent video! This finale also wasn’t the first mention/critique of capitalism. For example, the story train episode (s04ep06) really leans into it with a bit towards the end in which Rick tells Morty about how the goal is to buy more stuff.

[@arvinbuenaagua5161]

Something Ricked This Way Comes.

[@MrBern-ex3wq]

I don't think Wisecrack tried to say it was the first, rather the most blatant. And it is, it's explicitly stated as such.

[@JustinStarrPhotography]

@@MrBern-ex3wq Totally. But also, I’m not exactly sure how much more on the nose you can get than this kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6HLYXqkjrRmqqM

[@MrBern-ex3wq]

@@JustinStarrPhotography Hmm... Fair enough!

[@siddharthkrishna8463]

The problem with Evil Morty freeing himself being analogous to freedom from capitalism is that It implies that one can only be free from capitalism by participating in more exploitation

[@ginopinori]

And that it’s not worthy because almost no one will survive to see what’s next. Just evil morty, “our morty”, Rick and a few other mortys get out of it alive, so what’s the point? (Except for “evil” morty of course)

[@siddharthkrishna8463]

@@ginopinori yeah it feels like a critique of revolution that way. Which is a shame

[@robertmoore2049]

I like on the spinning wheel it says “Jerry - Spin Again”