Rick Beato is WRONG about Gen Zs

[@acmusic101]

Fellow music teacher here (hopefully starting my own channel soon), you knocked it out of the park! I am constantly experiencing what you're talking about with our Gen-Z students. AND it has taken a lot of work on my part to shift my teaching to their needs and tastes (while not losing the quality instruction of ear training, theory, etc.), but it's so great when the connection happens. They are always bringing me new music that I've not heard yet, which continues to blow my mind. Keep doing what you're doing! :D

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thanks! Good luck on your channel :) We do have to evolve with the times, and I don't believe there was ever a time period , especially in later western music (20th century) where an older generation didn't question the quality of newer music for their own subjective reasons.

[@beymersengineering3477]

I'm 68 and you're so right about Rick's video. What I found to be so crazy (you mentioned this too) what that Rick didn't notice the music in video games. He's a master degreed musician ... how could he not? Maybe he only senses music with lyrics? Does he feel the same about soundtracks for movies. Music is an important part of video gaming ... it's deep in the emotional part of your mind!

[@darinhusk366]

I'm 50 years old with a 9 year old daughter. She loves music. She plays the clarinet, is learning the recorder, and wants to learn guitar. She listens to Kids Bop, a group of kids that sing current and older pop songs. She cracks up when I sing along to an old Elton John song that she thinks is new. Honestly, I don't know one kid, my daughter's age up to their twenties that doesn't love and/ or play music. Thanks for this video and for what you do!

[@preston_s.]

Millennial opinion: I wouldn't describe myself as a gamer, but some of the best music I've ever heard is video game music. It's actually become difficult for me to separate gameplay from the music that complements it and that helps convey the story and its themes and emotions.

[@Praxama]

facts

[@prilljazzatlanta5070]

Nothing wrong with that. People associate music with movies, driving, or anything else in life you want a soundtrack to. Ive never been into video games but video game music is no less legitimate than enjoying an album. Its whatever your preference is

[@chrisking6695]

I literally buy games bc they have a compelling soundtrack lol

[@a.n.j.5101]

It's funny because I'm a Gen Z ,and most of the people I know actually find different types of music BECAUSE of video games. Video games have the most interesting, creative, and immersive type of music I've ever seen. You're totally correct when you say that the internet gives you access to so many different types of music. I've listened to so many artists that I would never find if I didn't have the internet! I'm glad there is a defense on this generation because it gets so much shit lol (every generation does)

[@hansmahr8627]

I mean, there are a lot of good video game soundtracks but it's hardly the most interesting or creative music around. It's usually quite derivative, taking inspiration from different styles of music. Just like most movie soundtracks rip off classical composers. When I think of interesting and creative music I think of artists and composers who come up with new and innovative approaches.

[@zizi6538]

And the fact most of us are broke and would of been broke back then might of put ppl off from buying music and owing it for themselves not being able to share your song recommendations because you might not be able to afford all the songs they want the pros out weigh the cons when it comes to the Internet and music and that is being able to access any song you want and introducing you to new artist more easily

[@swagmundfreud666]

I know so many people who I am 100% would think they hate country music if they hadn't played Fallout: New Vegas and heard the banger that is Big Iron. I would never have thought about listening to reggae if I hadn't played GTA San Andreas and listened to KJAH West.

[@russellalfonso2962]

between 2013-17 the number of music majors in the US dropped 64%

[@TheMuserResolute]

Very interesting! Sounds like a problem with Millennials as well then! Unfortunately Rick’s video doesn’t have any consistency, it’s difficult to know whether he’s talking about studying music at a high level, listening to music, playing music, or taking an interesting in music. Because of access to technology, people are learning and experimenting with music more easily than ever before. It doesn’t surprise me that music majors are down if this statistic is true.

[@darlenecronin242]

Try to remember everyone was stoned back in the 70s when we were listening to the music in the basement with our garage band

[@mattmartian1658]

I raised 2 gen z kids. He's right on alot of points. I took them to concerts and played tons of music. But never once caught them listening to music. They never had a favorite band. Yes you have a thousand kids that love music. But for every kid. Their are 5 thousand kids that don't.

[@paulchomedey2073]

I’m gen z and music is one of my few passions lol. I had always listened to music when I was younger, but some years ago I started enjoying it a lot more when one of my friends (also gen z) suggested I listened to a couple metal bands after I told him I kinda liked metallica. What followed was me falling into the endless pitfall of metal greatness and I’m grateful for it.

[@maxzero9647]

Rick Beato: "Am I so out of touch? No. It's the children who are wrong." He's really showing his age here. The man is 60, and has adopted an "old man" mindset, and it shows.

[@ChrisPage68]

His chronological age has nothing to do with it.

[@juliatutor8099]

So the only thing you have going for you is you're young? We were were all young at one time....I hope when you get Rick's age someone dismisses you the way you're dismissing him...But to the video, you could not be more wrong about kids avoiding the question: who's your favorite musical act because it is easier....In Rick's day ( mine as well) people couldn't wait to answer that question....Why? Because it WAS more important to them....No shame in that.....People have a right to find importance in whatever turns them on. Example, can you imagine a supposed baseball fan who couldn't name a single player? If you can't name a player, you're not a baseball fan.....And no one would have argued that point in the past.....And I don't think you ( the guy who made this video) believe what you're saying about it either.... You're rattling on just to hear yourself rattle on.....You're being disingenuous because you don't want the kids to perceive you as an old fool.....After all you've got to work with them.

[@deed5811]

Cartoons were addictive when I was a kid. Bugs Bunny taught me to love classical music and Peanuts gave me a love for jazz. I didn't realize that was happening then 😃. You have more experience than I with genz, but I see kids commenting on music videos all the time. Just because their exposure is different doesn't mean they haven't learned to love music. That just doesn't make sense to me.

[@MakeWeirdMusic]

A significant majority of Rick's non-educational content is built on music that's decades old. He's preaching to the choir in many respects and reinforcing unfortunate biases.

[@gavinmillar]

Looked through his last two years of videos, from what I could see he hasn't covered anything less than 20 years old.

[@gavinmillar]

Unless it's him complaining about top ten lists, anyway. His only interaction with modern music seems to be top 40. No attempt to actually discover interesting music and engage with it.

[@ESP77769]

@@gavinmillar No accounting for taste... lol

[@starlon906]

As a gen Z, I would also disagree with his point. Yes there are some who don’t care as much about music, but I know very few that don’t care at all. In the music class that I’m in my teacher recently asked the class how much music they listen to on a daily basis (was to calculate how much the artists receive from the plays) and there were none that listened to 0-10 song a day and some up to 100. I get that it’s a music class so there is some difference of course, but as previously stated I know very few that don’t listen or care about music. Me personally, I love music and I listen to tens of songs a day. Sometimes video games do kind of come ahead of music and I go some days without music because there just isn’t any time between school, eating, homework and video games etc. to listen to some. But even in video games I recognize the music. Maybe not as much in shooters where it’s pretty generic but more so in indie games like hollow knight, where the music is such a big part of the whole atmosphere and is honestly beautiful. Anyways I really like this style of video. Feels more personal and I like videos where people just state their opinion to a topic for some reason. (Also your lessons sound like fun, similar to the ones I had earlier this year with learning songs we requested, just that you also listen to more music in class haha) Loved the video as always

[@chrisking6695]

I could never go without music. Never. You can listen to music while doing homework. Or in between. Or when you walk/drive to school. Rick does have a point in a way because it’s sad that newer generations daily lives aren’t consumed by the constant obsession to listen to music.

[@taniadiasferreira7159]

I was born in 1981, love music i go from jazz, to opera, to epic, to metal, whatever my mood that day i listen to what makes me feel better. Given this I'm also a gamer, since i was a todler till this day, i love video games and music is a big part of them, and i learn about several bands and composers through them. The music has to be right to keep you engaged, otherwise you get tired or irritaded and stop playing, so games like movies are in sync with music you don't do one without the other. has nothing to do with generations, music is part of life of us has human beings.

[@mattsmith7490]

Here is the biggest difference. The new generations have so many options for their time compared to past generations. In the 70's we didn't have all the new tech that competes for the time of kids. So of course we listened to music instead of video games and tik tok viewing. We had fewer options.

[@IkkjeDus]

As a parent of Gen Z 'kids' (and just slightly younger than Rick) I can subscribe to your take on it. Purely anecdotally myself, obviously. Having a daughter doing classical singing in conservatory and a _big_ BTS fan at the same time. And a son who has been an avid Need for Speed gamer for a long time - great soundtracks in all of them, future aerospace engineer, who loves his bass. Both with their Spotify/Deezer constantly running on their phones... My son actually created a playlist for me to listing to new stuff. OK, enough bragging, but having just a few examples already proves the blanket statement being wrong (are they ever correct, BTW?). And sure, environment & opportunities have a big influence. I assume that experiences being from the US (Rick) also differs a lot from being an European (me) or from Australia (you). Anyway... my 2 ct.

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thanks so much for watching this and taking the time to give your 2 cents 🙂 I don’t think Rick really thought this one through very well

[@th5841]

Can I just copy paste what you said, IkkeDus? Just change it from singing to piano, bass to guitar? Even BTS is the same. Sure they love their video games. But we loved playing football, skiing, skating instead. Music came later in the evenings. Some like music more, some less. Just as back then.

[@IkkjeDus]

@@th5841 You're welcome. Nice Rachmaninov, btw ;-)

[@NativeNewMexican]

I'm a member of the Doom Gaming Community (you know, the old school 1993 and 1994 game) and we make new content for those games. Streamers play music as they make custom maps or play custom maps. It's integral to the community. Decino, a Doom KZbinr from our community has 154K viewers. We have composers that are revered and recognized for their music. The age group that populates the community is very diverse, but a LARGE part are Gen Z. Beatto is just interacting with the wrong communities for him to properly assess this.

[@TheMuserResolute]

That sounds so cool! Gaming and Music are so closely linked, and it surprises me that Rick has jumped to these conclusions. I agree with you that he's interacting with the wrong communities for him to properly assess this, but furthermore I think this was just a quick, not thought out video (easy to do, little editing, no planning, no research) to pump out within half a day. He knows it'll get the views = quick $$$. Unfortunately, it just goes to show that this kind of opinion content without research or planning can really backfire. Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and for your support as always :)

[@NativeNewMexican]

@@TheMuserResolute It was definitely a bit underwhelming in the "well sourced, thought out" department, LOL. His explanation of why modern music sucks (notice, he skips metal like Jinjer and Nightwish) is actually quite good. I'm sure it's like you said, a quick "top of mind" potentially money grabbing type of thing.

[@gavinmillar]

It's also worth noting that when Rick was growing up, a much higher percentage of the music coming out was produced commercially by large record labels. These days you have way more independent people making their own music, so his idea that kids aren't into it because it's all corporate is pretty flawed.

[@alexander1952]

I agree with you Mike 100%. And I think it applies to general Rick Beato's attitude, I am 70 yo and I feel myself younger then he is. Maybe/I believe it is given by personal experience in own social bubble through the years.

[@darlenecronin242]

So I don’t want this to be too long but I kinda have a lot to say I absolutely appreciate your view on The children today and how they appreciate music. I have 10 sons and five grandsons to my grandsons are very interested in music which would be great because they came from musical family. I think my brother and I played about 15 instruments between us and we were taught by my grandfather. Kind of a story my last birthday I wanted to make a dance party with me and the kids my oldest grandson who is 12 came to me and said he wanted to do the song Despacito he wanted to learn the words and he wanted me to teach him to dance to it which we did we put on video and I hope it’s a great memory for him a great memory of music. Kids today are saturated with music There’s so much to choose from. In RJ yes we have the right by the record or hear it on the radio that was the only way and to make a big lightning had to strike, I’ve known hundreds of incredibly talented musicians who never made it anywhere , Now the door is open to so many more. I appreciate all your comments and I do agree with them I spent a lot of time with my grandkids and they really do love music I hope this wasn’t too long

[@jonathanfigueroa1004]

excellent video. would love seening more monetary/opinion style videos like these

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thank you 😊. Definitely want to get into making more

[@nichollperkins4302]

I would say a possibility of what Rick says MIGHT have to do with location. Just because (he thinks) kids aren't interested in music in HIS location, doesn't mean kids in every other location on the globe aren't interested in music and doing everything he thinks they are not doing. Also, funny you mentioned about "background' music. Today I took my grandson out to, what he refers to as: The Big M. I'll let you figure out what fast food joint we hit up. Anyway, surprisingly they were playing 50's music and my little 4-1/2 year old grandson was bebopping his head along while he munched on his nuggets. I found it sweet and kinda funny since i'm not a fan of 50's music generally. I think i attended too many classic car shows where all day long thats all you hear... Anyway, couple that with running into the dollar store (don't judge, it was my last option since i had been in two other stores and they didn't have what i was looking for) and they had NO MUSIC playing over the speakers. I was kind of shocked. There's always music playing!

[@pauldecoster]

Rick is based in Atlanta. People are always dropping new music there

[@tsho08]

Thanks for making this. I seen this video and I couldn't believe the comments didn't call him out. Your points are good. He (Rick) really showed how out of date he is. I got into music many times from old games. I got into black sabbath thanks to snes rock n' roll racing.

[@southwestfloridarealestate9727]

I remember when I was a kid my grandma used to listen to an AM radio station that played Glenn Miller and the Andrews Sisters. I still listen to AC/DC and Metallica. I think we all have a fondness for something that reminds us of our youth before we had real responsibilities

[@TheMuserResolute]

Absolutely! And those who were brought up in the 30s/40s would have branded Metallica and AC/DC as merely noise

[@stan2139]

Of all the interest that capture the mind of kids and teens that would stop them from enjoying music, he chose Video games, the media that used Music as a tool and artform. I grew up playing video games way to much, still play video games on the daily, and music in these games is to me one of the most important aspects and the one that sticks with me the longest after I stop playing

[@TheMuserResolute]

Absolutely!! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and comment on this :)

[@kellyemacleod2092]

“Little planning and no research”. This.

[@TheMuserResolute]

Haha Thanks for watching this! I know it's been a while since my last Billie reaction too 🤦‍♂️ I know you're patiently waiting for Xanny!

[@kellyemacleod2092]

@@TheMuserResolute You remembered!!!!

[@DukeEdward-pn9yr]

I have not watched his video or yours yet, however based off his title he is completely wrong. I am gen z and have several gen z friends. I would hate to live without music. I constantly surround myself with music of many different genres. Music and music enjoyment is stll alive and well, and the big bad new generation isn't going to be the death of music

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thanks :) Yup! A lot of people weren't very happy with what he had to say. You guys are the future (and much of the present) of music!

[@ChrisPage68]

Rick is occasionally guilty of "Getoffamylawnism". His tastes are very Americacentric and parochial.

[@TheMuserResolute]

I love it! Yup i think this is one of his videos where this trait definitely shines 😂

[@ChrisPage68]

@@TheMuserResolute Did you see The Punk Rock MBA's stupid video about why he thinks people like Japanese Metal? It's similarly anecdotal, but reeks of generalisations and accusations of Orientalism.

[@TheMuserResolute]

Nope! Please link it. Would love to see it!

[@ChrisPage68]

@@TheMuserResolute He got so roasted for it that I think he took it down. 🤣

[@TheMuserResolute]

😂 oh god. Content creators need to own their stuff ups. I love being roasted for bad calls I make. Just helps me improve! Imo, videos should be kept up!

[@Tica..77]

This is what happens when ya get old & oh, ya also turn into your Mother 😆 (trust). Loved your video Mike .. you’re one of the real ones 💯♥️2U

[@TheMuserResolute]

😂 hahaha yup! Thanks as always for watching this one (it was quite different!)

[@stan2139]

And someone in Rick Beato's position 70 years ago would say "Kids these days don't care about music, back in my day in 1899 we used to blablabla"

[@buskman3286]

Excellent video! Beato is wrong in this case for exactly the reasons you pointed out - he is stating an opinion with no 'scientific' research or data to support it. "The young people I know" (how many is that?) is not likely to be an adequate representative sample to categorize an entire section of society. In his defense, using a "clickbait" topic and making opinionated statements as he does in the particular video is an excellent technique for gaining viewers, which is the whole point of making KZbin videos in the first place. ;)

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thanks 😊 I feel like there was no thought and planning behind his video. Just seemingly a “oh crap, gotta drop a video, get the camera out and I’ll rant at it for 10 minutes”, which he can do because of his subscriber base

[@christineg8151]

I do wonder how much of his perception of GenZ's interaction with music is biased due to the fact that most of the music-listening I see involves people wearing headphones, and often it's the small earbuds, so it's literally not as visible. In the '70s, it would primarily have been be stereo systems instead of personal devices, and headphones, on the rare occasion they were used for listening to music, were large, clunky things, extremely visible. He doesn't see how much kids now are engaged with music, because he literally doesn't SEE it. Also, he seems to assume that if you're not actively engaged in learning/playing music, that you aren't interested in music. That's not true now, and I don't think that was true even "back in the day." There are a lot of people (myself included) who love music, listen to music regularly, but have no ability or desire to play an instrument. Just because I'm not playing a guitar (or whatever), it doesn't mean I don't have opinions! This attitude is elitist gatekeeping, and if that's the way he talks to the kids he interacts with about music, no wonder they don't share their musical opinions with him!

[@TheMuserResolute]

Absolutely! I think, like you said, his perception is not learning or playing music = not engaged in music. He has only known people who play music, therefore, his perception is skewed

[@fedeu]

@@TheMuserResolute But I think that was Rick's main point. He says Gen Z people (generalizing of course, there is always a lot of exceptions) nowadays have music as background sound to their life, but it's the same if it is this song or that one. They don't get into the art of it, they don't care who wrote what song and why (that's why Rick mentions that most pop songs are written by a group of people, to be performed by different artists). In his childhood, a lot of people wanted to learn an insrument to play the songs they loved, not because they want to study music theory, or persue a career, but because they loved an album or a song.

[@DiamondBrickZ]

@@fedeu my guy tell that to like any kpop stan, i really doubt that music is only background music to them

[@fedeu]

@@DiamondBrickZ Kpop is not only music, is a cultural thing. They don't have musicians playing, it's guys (literally called "idols") singing and dancing in shiny videos, some stuff written by producers to sell merchandising. Guys that when they get too old are replaced by a younger one to stay appealling to audiencies. I don't mean to say young people can't feel represented or connected with songs, what I mean is that Kpop is something similar to what Backstreet boys did back in the 90's. A trend, a bunch of catchy songs for teenagers. They last a couple years and then it's gone. Some people will learn the dance moves for a tiktok video, and that's it.

[@hardtakeoff]

People learning to dance to kpop has nothing to do with playing music

[@StephVanLinden]

I can't WAIT to see what Rick has to say about Gen Z and Stranger Things pushing Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill" to the top of the charts 35 years later! Primary audience of that show is 18-29... So much for them not caring about music, huh.

[@kenanOW]

I can say this is 100 percent wrong I know someone who music saved there life

[@jurgajudickiene778]

My kids all 3 are gamers, but all 3 they love music,never going out with out music. Oldest one even have his one music band. They gether together when they was 16 years old. Midel one love to play gitar to. So i'm agree with you that kids still love music and music will live for ever in every generation but just diferent ways

[@durabelle]

Too much to say! First, just to be clear I'm very much not gen Z, barely even gen Y, so I can't claim to know what they actually think or how they feel about music. I did however ask hundreds of then 9-12 year old early gen Z students to rate all the school subjects based on their personal interest as part of my studies, and music was absolutely one of the best loved subjects. They may not have liked all music or in the same way as some people did in the 70's, but at least in school they enjoyed learning about it more than most other things. When it comes to video games I have to say that a whole generation before gen Z already played them. I only have to think about Super Mario to start my brain jukebox playing Mario theme. I'm sure I'm not the only one. So not only did we play, we also noticed the music. Or maybe we didn't even notice until it had permanently taken over part of our brain.

[@durabelle]

I never listened to vinyls although my parents had some, and C-cassettes had some limitations too. I grew up listening to Edith Piaf on a cassette player and some songs recorded from the radio, but really only started consuming music when CD:s became accessible. I have always had loads of songs I don't like, even from my favourite artists, and the ability to skip a song was what I needed to really start enjoying listening more. These days I very rarely go through a whole album in order, but instead use playlists of mixed artist specifically built around my moods. Perfection! The 70's basement stuff Rick was describing would never have been my thing.

[@durabelle]

And one more thing! Part of the difference in your and Rick's observations may be due to how you ask the questions, but I need to point out that there's another obvious reason why you will collect different data. All the students you get to observe have you as their teacher! Never underestimate the influence of an environment that feeds interest instead of just listing facts and threatening with tests. I've had some bad music teachers at school and some even worse, and then for one semester I had a good one and I still remember many things he taught us. From the others I mostly learned to hate music at school, and it took years to fix that attitude. The quality of teaching has a huge effect, and you're definitely one of the good ones.

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thanks as always for giving this a watch! I guess what Rick forgot, as you mentioned, is that video games have existed (and have been addictive), for a long long time! Thanks so much for your kind comments. We all make mistakes, and not every student I have likes me 😆 but I strive to learn and keep growing. For me, this is psychology first, because you’re literally taking a brain and changing a bunch of stuff inside of it. That’s most of what I love about teaching - how to break through.

[@RudTeljes]

I despise the boomer mentality that the internet and video games are the cause of their people, and I'm insanely sick of boomers blaming random issues on the upbringing (that they gave us) of the newer generations. Does he not realize video games have music? Does he not realize that it slaps? I think your biggest point that you found was that "he never asked anyone." What about the literal entire genre of games centered on music that has boomed, rhythm games? Any time anyone ever makes any video criticizing generations that follow without actual evidence just resonates with old man yelling at the clouds energy. It's sad that he used his platform for this, because I'm sure that people in his comments are saying "YEAH RICK YOU'RE RIGHT DAMN KIDS THESE DAYS"

[@back2the80sradio]

Rick's opinions come from his vast experience in the music business. 100% of the musicians and artists from the 80s that I have talked with say a lot of things that are far tougher on this gen from years of experience. Very wrong with the "back in my day" comment. This seems to me like you are inputting from your own emotions that may come from your experience. As a music teacher, I assume that most of your students are there because they like music. The point of Rick's video is that the majority of the new gen hasn't been influenced by the music as many of us. Kids discover a few songs and design a limited playlist and have no idea about entire albums. Anyway, keep making those videos and keep teaching the kids about the love of music.

[@peacefulpossum2438]

YT Wings of Pegasus has an interesting video about the Cher’s initial use of autotune, where that has progressed, and how it has led to many older listeners being unable to connect with current music. It’s really well presented. You should check it out.

[@th5841]

I've seen it. I wouldn't blame Cher for this. Only the older listeners themselves. I am 59 and to me there is an infinite gold mine of fantastic new music out there. Even inside pop music. There is a lot of bad and boring music ad well. But that is not a new phenomem.

[@chrisking6695]

Rick is just so disconnected. He’s the TYPICAL boomer who doesn’t understand that everyone thinks the same things about their own past. I grew up in the 80s/90s and feel the same amount of nostalgia about that. My son will feel the same nostalgia about the 2020s/2030s.

[@kotla671]

There is one problem. Most raised in the 60’s and 70’s understand Rick completely. He’s right. Many songs today with cool lyrics and so lots of music is really poetry placed to a simple backing track. No comparison to the bands or music produced during Rick’s lifetime. I think Rick is disappointed and in fact remains more accepting of the requiem of real music.🥺

[@hardtakeoff]

Also, the people watching this video and channel already skew the comments toward "Rick is wrong"

[@joebloggs396]

These generation terms were invented in the US and have questionable value. And of course it's hard to make generalisations.

[@FamousByFriday]

I do feel like it’s harder to become that mega fan of a band now (though K-pop and Justin Bieber kinda proves me wrong)… just because there are soooooo many option. Its kinda like people are moving away from these big “shared experiences “, just because we have more than three channels on tv and so many band there are so many outlets. Sure we have the big Squid Games / oh you’ve got to watch… moments, but I think it is possible there will be more and more people that won’t have watched or heard the same things. It’s like peoples tastes are simultaneously getting broader due to availability of everything in the world and more specialized due to the volume Of the stuff available . Oh… you like Black metal from Kazakhstan? Here are 8000 bands. And it’s all low key. I used to hear an album was coming out and be at the record store on that Tuesday… now Beyoncé will drop an album and not even tell anyone. As far as the whole… what killed rock? That we always hear about… I kinda think it was dead scenes. Rock radio around me never plays a song from some random band and says, “they’ll be playing at x on y”. The venues around me are pretty dead… and even when I saw some new bands with new albums, they were maybe 2/3 capacity and most of the crowd was over 30 (so, older than the band I was watching). So… what does that mean? I guess just that venue I was at and those bands I saw didn’t bring in the younger crowd. Maybe some venue is. Maybe some bands are. I bet the towns with those venues will have good local bands. That said… playing live and recording a good album are different skills. Man… it’s complicated.

[@kylemuffoletto8557]

I like how u think

[@BD-cv3wu]

Yeah, as a studio owner, if I spent more time with video games I never would have had a studio. Wouldn't have happened. My KPop and rap are not music. It's trash. It's like listening to the same track over and over again, but switching them. Doom, Quake, Bon Jovi, Dokken, Van Halen, Jimmi Hendrix, Jefferson Starship, Fleetwood Mac, Buddy Holly. These are where music is. I noticed a downturn when I graduated high school. No one knew GOOD music. They listened to either the repetitive pop or really acid metal with screeching vocals that sound ungodly. Fantastic talent, but not musical. And, learning to play a song from your favorite game is NOT learning an instrument. I'm a teacher too, drums, and simply banging away on drums is not learning drums. Learning how to do what you want while learning proper TECHNIQUE is learning.

[@hansmahr8627]

Putting Bon Jovi in the same category as Hendrix while claiming there's no more good music, that's funny. I could name 20 to 30 current artists that are musically and artistically far more interesting than Bon Jovi. Which isn't difficult considering that Bon Jovi is utter trash. You just need to dig a little bit. And maybe stop pretending that rock is somehow the pinnacle of musical sophistication. Maybe get into Jazz and Stockhausen, then you can upgrade to real snobbery.

[@BD-cv3wu]

@@hansmahr8627 Umm...my taste in music begins with hair metal and ends with Doom Eternal. Jazz is awesome to play, but it is nothing musical that matters. Talk blues and I'll be right there with you. And Bon Jovi is probably the only rock artist drug and alcohol free. All the other hair bands and metal bands were really disrespectful as people. Name another metal or hair band that didn't do drugs or alcohol. Metallica did, Dokken probably did. Fleetwood Mac almost surely did. Rolling Stones were huge in that field. Maybe Styx didn't. I don't think Todd Suchermann did anyways. Nor did Neil Peart. So Rush is another one. Queen, huge on drugs. Ratt, probably the same. And blues guys drank a lot too. Jazz, not so sure. But again, it's nothing much to listen to. I was a jazz drummer in a jazz band in school competitions. It was...not music to listen to. It's something you play because of the freedom to express yourself in it, but that's it. Play it and forget it.

[@hansmahr8627]

@@BD-cv3wu Well, I don't really care what musicians do in their spare time. The fact that Hendrix did a lot of drugs doesn't diminish his musical output (though it did cut it short sadly). Maybe Bon Jovi should have done drugs, who knows, maybe he would have released better albums. Your point about Jazz is very odd, considering that there are a lot of Jazz fans (including me) who enjoy listening to it. You're seriously claiming that Miles Davis or Charles Mingus are not interesting to listen to?

[@BD-cv3wu]

@@hansmahr8627 Most musicians that did drugs NEEDED them in order to write or perform. Possibly even Elvis. That makes artists like Bon Jovi who are sober much much better. If you can't play well live like your album sounds without drugs you suck as a musician. I've never done drugs but if someone needed them in order to play I'd outperform them so much it would make you sick. Think of any band that is famous, look into it they did drugs and if they did, see what they say about writing their songs or playing. 9 times out of 10 they will say they NEEDED to be drunk or high to write or perform. Lots of studios had issues with bands because of this and Bon Jovi is one of the few who distanced themselves from that crowd. One of the VERY few.

[@Imsteppenwolf]

What settles this counterpoint is the fact that, whether the Gen Z cares about music or whether video games are a hindrance, the bottom line is that Gen Z doesn't have much of a presence as music listeners. The best proof is the kind of music that has been made for the past 15 years: trash. Because, obviously, there's a very passive audience taking all that trash that they are being served...

[@fclefjefff4041]

Unfortunately Rick's content has become more and more "clickbaity" recently, and the video in question is the perfect example. I mean, he can obviously do whatever he pleases, and KZbinrs "sell out" all the time, but in his case it's really disappointing because his content has always been so valuable. It feels like he's sacrificing his integrity for clicks

[@darlenecronin242]

Music was not always written by the person singing it in a lot of kisses it wasn’t that’s a broad statement

[@ronmitchmusic4154]

There are _bands_ that exist today that do live performances of music that they were first exposed to from video games. Are they on the charts? are they gold, platinum, or whatever? not the right question right? Are they successful? I mean define that. Should there be more recognition & acclaim for music that is made for video games, and the artist that do that work? Yes! #rickbeato #grammys #awardsshows One further thing would be that I have a lot of respect for Rick, but with this particular video he missed the mark. the TL:DR of what I feel that he was saying would be _"you don't like music the same way that I like music, so you're wrong"_ I don't actually think that that was what he was trying to say, but it definitely came across that way. Either way just wanna say that video game music is good music too.

[@NecroKoopa]

For me Rick's channel has 2 types of content: i) awesome musical analysis ii) terrible old guy ranting about new generation. I just skip (ii) videos hahaha

[@TheMuserResolute]

Haha too true! Rick has some incredibly awesome unmissable stuff

[@henning14]

I’ve watched both videos and get what both of you are trying to say. Rick was too focused on video games. I’m born in the early 80s. I would say the kinds of music listener are still the same since the birth of radio. Some people are so into music and others just listen to it like some kind of background noise. With the internet and streaming came newer ways of consuming music. Going to stores to get records isn’t necessary anymore. Because of streaming services millions of songs are just some clicks away and most younger people probably consume music different.

[@FatuousRobertson]

If I want a dopamine hit, I'll listen to great music of all genres. Great music can cause your arm and neck hair to stand up (piloerection). Video games can't.

[@gonzokules7794]

Its not the fault of gen z, they get all kind of information funneled into their head for free thx to the worldwideweb. It is hard to appreciate single impressions, if you have acces to all of them all at once.

[@pauldecoster]

Do you teach children in Australia? I wonder what tastes they have there? Lots of good music there….Tame Impala. King Gizzard.

[@MrJoey1971]

Just because Gen Z like music such as K Pop does not mean their lives revolve around music like it used to, it's so obvious that kids, especially boys, it's video games that they are interested in the most. You are in complete denial to say otherwise.

[@rk41gator]

BUT you interact with MUSICIANS! Your opinion is based upon a small section of Gen Z. Nostalgia is nostalgia. However it has nothing to do with the status of technology and how it forces the average people's experience with music or lack of exposure to music. With out data, your opinion is just that, so I find your crit a little disingenuous. I appreciate your concern to defend your students and it is nice to hear that kids are lining up for lessons. But are there now fewer teachers? "my dad said to me all the time 'I've been your age, you've never been mine". It is clear from looking at modern culture, music is no longer important. Perhaps it never was. Most current music is vanilla and written by a few corporate individuals from the music industry and not by real artists. Music education is the first casualty of budget cuts. Can you argue?

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thanks for this. Music education has always been the first casualty of budget cuts. It is sad. As mentioned in my video, I don’t interact with musicians. I actually interact with students from a demographic where their families place little to no value on music (so virtually the opposite). But I do acknowledge (in the video) that there is little data on this. Rick interacts with musicians as a small sample of gen z. Rick does not elaborate on the approaches he takes with young people in getting information pertaining to his statements, but rather says they’re not interested- which I spoke about possible reasons in his assumed communication with them

[@northof4912]

My issue with Beato is he does not acknowledge that there is a European metal scene. At all.

[@hardtakeoff]

Younger people do not appreciate live music or the capability to play live music and it had already started by when I graduated from high school in 2001. People will literally turn on a bluetooth speaker if they don't like what you're playing. There is no recognition of the time you spent learning to do whatever you are doing for them. There are so many talented people to listen to, why should they listen to your broke-ass? And I don't know why they should. Because they like you? We don't respect eachother as humans enough not to destroy the planet so everything is pretty fucked.

[@TheMuserResolute]

Thank you for your comments. Unfortunately, Rick’s points are so inconsistent, which is why we’re having disagreements. What does he mean? Young people don’t play music? Young people don’t listen to music? Young people don’t appreciate music? Young people don’t learn music? Young people don’t learn music the right way? Rick did not speak about their appreciation of live music nor did he speak about a young person’s recognition of musicians’ hard work. His points are all over the place and lack any kind of consistency, which is the main reason for any disagreements about this. I think my interpretation of Rick’s thesis may have been different to yours.

[@petebateman143]

Good take. I like Rick but he does have a habit of making silly generalizations. It may be deliberate click bait though, the guy is clearly not stupid.

[@TheMuserResolute]

Absolutely clickbaity!

[@German_1]

You're in Europe? Rick's in America. Different kids. Rick will say today's music is crap. Add auto tune and any put tune together and whammo! You don't even have to know how to sing! You mention kpop, kids thinking if they can dance, they'll be the next Disney kids. I'm Rick's age, and I guess in the end you and Rick will have to agree to disagree!

[@TheMuserResolute]

I’m in Australia 🙂

[@prilljazzatlanta5070]

Ricks take isnt bad so much as its incomplete. Learning how to play music formally is so tough now. Its like how baseball has turned more into academy kids and is too exclusive. Make learning to play an instrument affordable and instruments need to be more affordable. Plus you need to teach kids about modern technology used to play music. Not everyone wants to start off playing “acoustic” instruments. Give young people a break. Rick also discounts the fact that for a long time people had to know how to play an instrument and read music to hear music before the age of recording. That mindset and skillset rode for a long time but now we are so deep into the age of recording that people dont necessarily see music as their most desired way to express themselves.

[@MrJoey1971]

Rick is absolutely right, as a Gen X our world revolved around music. It's so obvious that sort of culture does not exist anymore. You don't need empirical data on this, it's just basic observation. You don't always need empirical data.

[@786itube]

Words words words. Quality of music that is being funnelled down young people's ears these days is poor. Further to that, the evidence is glaring- can he show a single young guitar virtuoso or band at the standard of the Beatles, Pink Floyd or any of the top 70's or 80's groups. He needs to acknowledge that current popular music is scripted by a team on a a computer & with songs and artists sounding the same and, frankly, quite trash

[@1986BNick]

I hate Rick Beato. I thought I could subscribe to him because I am getting tired of seein all the lame ass Star War Fandom channels hate on every movie they come across or pretend to get the movie and then put it down in some sort of BRO rant. I just wanted to see something different on KZbin. But? This Rick Beato guy is just a CHUD too but for music. And he comes off like Chris Gore who does the same thing for cinema movie culture. These keyboard haters are everywhere.

[@zvolencan1]

You may be the other side of the spectrum, as you literally said you have taught 1,000 kids and you are around kids all the time. :)

[@TheMuserResolute]

Maybe close to 1000 kids, but the implication here was in my work place, 206 days a year, I’m surrounded by 1000 young gen z’s, many of whom I teach or have taught

[@jangelbrich7056]

There is always a "bubble perspective" when judging these and other things, it is always biased. Both You and Rick are closed to music by profession. That might rather be a minority, those who ARE musicians already in their hearts - and who would be able to afford visiting a music class outside of the public schools. The other extreme are those which Rick pinpoints rightfully as ignorants or knowing-nothing-caring-nothing. These are many and I (half boomer/X) remember I was kinda surrounded by them. It was hopeless already then. In the best case they consumed it on radio, did not care about lyrics, just like Z:ers do it today on the internet. What is abundant, is likely not to be cherished, and what is rare, has a high chance to create interest - in some few at least. I was always between these two extremes. My music education is not worth mentioning, so I cannot read scores nor play any instrument - could not afford either the teacher nor the instrument. So I was confined to records, that no one else would listen to ... like Mozart, that was my starting point. I would train my ears completely on my own, without any guidance whatsoever, which is of course erratic. And when You enter working life, You hardly have time for anything else anymore ... There is something more general about this: people not sharing interests do not mingle, if they are not brought together by some outside event or system (aka school). In fact they often keep a huge social distance because of these differences in interests. And in a class society, which is still there, alas I found most "musicians" I met, that I had a hard time to start any conversation with them, because in 10 seconds he would find out, I know "nothing" about music: can't read notes, aha ... so what does he want here ... these are attitudes that separate people in many different interest groups that remain rather isolated. Only few break out of these self-imposed limits. Of course there are "exceptions", like a truly educated church organist, who was so open to let me play on his organ(!) one time. Thanks for a balanced reaction video. Very informative insights.

[@lyndellwilliams2600]

I think Rick is talking about the bigger population of the youth & not so much the one or two teenagers who may have some kind of interest in music. Also public schools used to get kids more interested in music because they went to class & got to actually play instruments. In the 80's I remember even some kids fighting over who got to play what instrument. But even going past instruments there's a big portion of teenagers who don't even care about getting a driver's license anymore. On top of music class being taken out of public schools they've also removed cursive writing. Also people even going up into their 20's are loosing the ability to tell time & count change. I think Rick is right on the money & it's a bigger problem than just interest in music. It may in fact be interest itself????

[@kevinharrigan2727]

Gen Z opinion (Jan 2001): We literally have zero money to start bands. None. I’m lucky if I can make 800 a month with a bullshit retail job. Back when the Boomers were our age, you could buy a house and support a family. Now? We can’t. I’m lucky if the average in my city is 300 thousand dollars, while I make 12 bucks an hour. And the sad thing is, we fucking LOVE music. At least I do. Grunge, rap, some metal, Frank Sinatra type shit, I love it all. If I had a singing voice I would LOVE to start a band, but we don’t even have the money to make rent, much less money and time to do interesting shit like starting bands. I can’t even live in my own goddamn city, much less spend anything on starting anything music related. But god dammit I wish I could. Edit: Not to mention how much college has been shoved on us, and taking things like musical science and shit like that is seen as “useless” and “a waste of money”. We get ridiculed for things like this, with hundreds of thousands of dollars in college loans beating down on us. We don’t have the time to make music, and it’s so fucking depressing to me. We work ourselves to death and have no time or money for anything else with no hope for the future, and it boggles my mind how the generations who put us here have no idea why we don’t engage in the activities they did when they were our age. TLDR: We’re fucking poor and don’t have the money to live, much less participate in music.

[@reactionsaccount3955]

Modern popular music cannot be great by definition, when a handful of composers/producers write most of the songs, it is just humanly impossible to maintain quality when you mass produce this much quantity, it is logically inconceivable.

[@kellyemacleod2092]

I do agree with you on mass produced music but not the inference that this is a modern invention. There are a plethora of popular artists who write and produce their own songs.

[@wolfVFXmc]

Mainstream music mostly yes but in the less big genres most people write their own music

[@reactionsaccount3955]

@@kellyemacleod2092 There are some, but I have an issue with the use of 'plethora'.

[@kellyemacleod2092]

@@reactionsaccount3955 I’m sorry to hear that. I take some issue with the use of ‘logically inconceivable’. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[@reactionsaccount3955]

@@kellyemacleod2092 A plethora means 'a large or excessive amount', so I do not think it applies when most of the song on the radio/top 40 is written mostly by a few composers. So following this same point, logically is it not conceivable that if that few people write a ton of music, that they would be capable to spend the time and effort necessary to write great and complex music. Not sure why you are having a problem with this.