Rick Rubin & Andre 3000 Talk Andre's Struggle With Creation

Rick Rubin sat down with legendary Outkast member Andre 3000, and the two talked for an hour about life, creation and more. In this segment, Andre and Rick talk about Andre's current struggles with creation.
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About The Podcast: For generations of music lovers, the liner notes on albums were a central part of the way music was heard. You bought an album and it came with an accompanying narrative: a digression, an aside, a backstory-maybe even an invented history. We intuitively understood that great music required not just listening but conversation between the artist and the audience and the audience and the rest of the world. Broken Record is a podcast that restarts those conversations-in a world without liner notes-for a new audience of music lovers. Broken Record is hosted by Justin Richmond with interviews by the producer Rick Rubin, the writer Malcolm Gladwell, and the former New York Times editor Bruce Headlam.
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[@keysyun1430]

Humility is what he has. Doesn’t walk around thinking about “I’m a genius”. Refreshing

[@Amenyo]

Yes

[@lenalipson1191]

Big Factz!!!

[@bsan7562]

this feels like listening to a retired superhero .

[@chachisaid2490]

U gay

[@damonmd3]

🤣🤣🤣

[@B7ackTruth]

True shit

[@hueality]

B san bay great analogy 👑

[@atl3630]

2 of them

[@drivmwempozv4445]

Should’ve titled this series: “Your favorite superhero explaining why he’s not saving the city”

[@brandenbauer8942]

:( shit

[@caracasaltavista]

Andre you are such a gift to this world.... I will support you forever whatever you decide to put out

[@Daconnect5]

You'll be waiting until you're 80 yrs old

[@dunoripavalan1980]

@@Daconnect5 Might not be that long if she's 79.

[@joshuahardegree4652]

This my friends is what they call an intellectual conversation

[@JasonXBeats]

Agreed and actually ....yes...yes sounds like a therapy session. Which is awesome!

[@NESherv]

The way Rick Rubin says, "yes," brings me peace.

[@joewatts4839]

I could listen to these guys talk for eternity

[@tiandrafinch3637]

“I like music that I can have my own thoughts to.” - 3 Stacks

[@fightermma]

Cool hair

[@tiandrafinch3637]

Shade On A Cool Day thank you!!!

[@fightermma]

@@tiandrafinch3637 Where are you from? Would be cool if we could talk.

[@koenarmstrong1376]

I’m 19 - I’ve been seriously into rap since I heard Kendricks “DAMN” album and at some point I came across OutKast and 3stacks later solo work and when I heard his music it opened me up just like Kendrick did. So when Andre said he doesn’t know his place and all that, I just wanted to say that above all you’ll always be respected as a hip hop legend and you changed the way I thought and had an influence. You took your power and spread it across the planet in masses and you’ll forever be a spoke in the wheel of our culture, and I say that as a white kid from Canada so when I say culture I mean humanities culture but overall Andre you were/still are a good musician and you made hits and changed the world. Your work is done but don’t lose confidence because all your fans are here with you and your style always stayed dope, don’t worry so much!

[@juniortiz60]

I can listen to this interview for ever...4 ever ever

[@elijah1884]

Thanks for not putting out a bunch of generic filler when you're not feeling it. Keep your integrity and stay strong, brother.

[@EmotionsRTemporary]

wE rEallY need your energy back. This guy is a real musical genius.

[@CelestialWriter01]

I appreciate this. I appreciate him not putting out any old thing to please people who will probably rip it to shreds cause that’s what the culture is now. I appreciate his transparency. I appreciate his passion. I appreciate him for respecting the craft.

[@heisenberg3099]

Rubin and 3000 on the same recording? Podcast of the century right here. Mad respect for these 2

[@scottash351]

Damn! It's nice to hear Andre talking his truth. Complete honesty is music to my ears.

[@michaelkonomos]

This was such a helpful conversation. So much wisdom and vulnerability from Andre and Rick. I love this so much. As an artist this really helps me a lot.

[@melissalugo7553]

I am a visual artist. My inner "I Am" appreciates the last few words of this podcast. As an artist one should create Art we enjoy seeing and create it as if you were only going to show it to your very close friend. This is freedom! Great interview.

[@MrOvadose101]

I had to listen to this twice for it to sink in. I pray that he finds his creative spark. For an individual who has that amount of talent. I also feel kind of bed be one of his fans and also be 1 of his harshest critics. I still ride which you Andre Benjamin. I will patiently wait for the moment when you create more classics.

[@inmyopinion651]

Its refreshing that he is a real creative artist. If he was just trying to get the bag he could put out garbage and get paid. The greats all have this mentality like Andre has. Hes not satisfied with mediocre. He basically says similar things as Eminem says far as every word or bar he utters gets criticized and put under the microscope.

[@dolobrolic6066]

MrOvadose101 god gave him a full cup of talent.......and he has a few sips left......sips of instrumentals......🤔😉

[@Daconnect5]

You'll be waiting until you're 80 yrs old

[@Daconnect5]

@@dolobrolic6066 stop the dumb talk

[@StarJones1979]

This is like laying on the floor of a study listening to a conversation. You can smell the leather and the books and you start to doze off because the voices are so soothing.

[@Triboro_Gigolo]

Andre probably has writer's block and he needs to be in the studio on the regular. I'm pretty sure if he was in the studio with big boi for 6 months he would be back to that vintage 3 stacks we know and love.

[@EARART]

Deeper than just writers block, sometimes even the passion to create has gone and it becomes a journey of trying to find it again, its a feeling

[@cm725]

He once had something to prove and there was alot of competition when he first came out now it's like if Allen Iverson in his prime had to go back to high school and play on varsity after one quarter he'd be like man for what this ain't even fun no more

[@derrellarthur3114]

I think it more of the music industry and it’s wolves when he comes to business. And he lost his passion everybody needs inspiration. Something to drive them.

[@stephenchavez5318]

I think its more about being out of touch with this new era of music and the fear of tarnishing his legacy if it flops. That probably causes a lot of anxiety for him. Especially when he is held in the top ranks on the lyricists list.

[@stephenchavez5318]

Bloop i don’t think it would be basic or watered down at all. I think he’d be more worried that his topics wouldn’t be received well. Honestly if he hooked up with Royce he’d be able to navigate that very well bc he had the same transitional critiques after he got sober and he came out on top.

[@maj197]

I'm really glad that I found this pod cast by accident! I love the honest humility! There's so much negative energy out there, this is a lovely introspection of both the creative process and human expression. Thanks Andre 3000 and Rubin for putting this out there. ☮️

[@islandmanmikep]

Making music for microwave minds and short term memory loss fans is not what he wants to do. I understand why he doesn't want to share his art to be unappreciated.

[@7thvenom]

That is a song you just wrote great words !!!

[@rogermiyagi4076]

Real hip hop heads would appreciate it and that's all that counts.

[@eddieg849]

You said a mouthful

[@justiceevans1720]

Microwave minds lmao

[@rupertplum1709]

You must be an artist!

[@D..G..]

The only thing I want to say is Andre kept talking about how he loved the socialization aspect of the Dungeon and how having people to work with really inspired his music. Maybe that's the missing component nowadays?

[@skeletonjazz2100]

This is AMAZING!

[@abrahamprosper9895]

His flow will live on! Smartest artist with word play!

[@tamsynfallows3234]

As an artist who has stopped making art this is so helpful to listen to. I really appreciate getting to hear such a human side to someone who would otherwise appear to just be a flawless artist, who I would have presumed was constantly creating. I made music for 10 years and then just lost my way with it, fully relate to everything he saying about being bored by his own melodies, and The analogy about his mum coming into the room and disrupting the creative world he can be lost in. It definitely feels hard once you've disconnected to then reconnect. Also, it can feel like there is just so much music out there, and like someone saying below how do you make an impact or even really catch peoples attention in a world where there is new music coming out every five minutes and everyone's attention spans are not much longer than that. Anyway, thank you so much for this interview. And will hope to hear new things from Andre whenever he's good and ready for things to flow again. Xx

[@EARART]

Hearing this is liberating as I struggle with this too ATM

[@Barney-ii1no]

very deep/ open conversation

[@lowfidelity499]

Love hearing Rick talking Andre up, this is a beautiful conversation.

[@ceomusic7]

Very insightful for me. I have always enjoyed Andres music in a way that made me feel it is alright to be different in a time when society has overwhelming expectations for me when I was a kid. To hear him being so humble, transparent and self aware is a very satisfying experience, and I wish him the best luck. Not that my opinion matters but if I could tell him anything in relation to this podcast, it would be to enjoy making music for hisself , he has nothing to prove. We would be lucky to hear it

[@KYDOtaku222]

I can relate to Ben so much.

[@SilverSkywalker]

Wow, to have your favorite artist to explain perfectly the way you feel!!🤯🤯🤯💯💯💯

[@samwich852]

As a songwriter, you want to create something of quality, and so you put yourself into a state of mind that is logical and deliberate. The problem is that, by doing this, you've put yourself in a mental environment where spontaneity and creativity are stifled. We try so hard to be "good" that we take ourselves away from the magic of what allows us to be great.

[@JEM_ZQ]

Andre all I know is that I need your vibe. Even if its in this place of blank.

[@khadijahdawson2011]

Really enjoyed this 3 part message..I believe Andre needs new experiences in his life, join forces with other writers/producers to create new music. When you live life as a loner, you begin to lose your creative flow because we weren't really created by God to live a life of solitude. Reason Jesus had 12 disciples. He could have easily did what he did alone, but He knew the power of connection, support and relationships. He's going to have to break out of that box of introversion which is most times nothing but fear, in order to tap into his flow again. Also, it could also mean that he needs to redirect his talents/gifts for awhile and use them in a different way. Maybe instead of being a sole artist he could be apart of a group or even go behind the scenes to write/produce for others. There is a season for everything as the Bible says and maybe this season calls for something new. He would have to seek God on that for direction...

[@solinworld632]

Extremely honest respect ✊

[@ILEK-lc5rd]

Andre 3000 is not struggling at all... He's a perfectionist.💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@Milanvaneijk]

I hope he starts meditating. That might be the only way to overcome the struggles. Send love his way folks!

[@landingdemba8161]

If someone is critical of what you do, usually that’s more about them than it’s about you. That’s what they see because of who they are. (Rick Ruben)

[@troytolbert2005]

I feel like Rick should inspire Dre to meditate for a year, then produce his next solo album.

[@marcussmith5186]

AGREE!!!...

[@lalam.3499]

Yesss, Andre 3000 seems a bit unbalanced and stuck in his journey. Meditation can definitely help him to balance and rediscover himself.

[@Dpnsyoo]

I can't imagine that someone like andre doens't meditate already

[@lalam.3499]

Dpnsyoo I can't imagine that he currently frequently does.

[@zed804]

I love Andre's raw authenticity

[@soulshine7337]

Props to Rick and Andre a couple of o.g.'s tryin to work out the issues.reminds me of war's four cornered room.man-God bless you guys

[@CANDYSOULonline]

Andre3000 doesnt have to do a "serious" project. just do one. it's art.

[@reoscorpio]

but he can't just randomly do... his people are waiting.. & the microscope from critics are all in place... its like when Lauren Hill did that MTV project.. & she played guitar & sang a lot of unreleased (unfinished?) stuff.. she got rip to shreds for just trying to be an experimenting artist.. The Bar is so high for them.. they can't do what normal folks do

[@panameraboomin7925]

I feel like most musicians who want to release music suffer from this including myself. For me, every piece of music needs to feel special, the problem is I think it’s the people who consume the music that dictate how special something is. Our jobs is just release the damn thing!

[@Ballerism]

@@reoscorpio Well they can it just depends on whether they got the balls to be different.

[@juhanleemet]

ya, shouldn't overthink things... one has no control over other people's reactions, and why try to control or spin every reaction... one can just express some honest thoughts and feelings, and people either appreciate, or not

[@MavidG]

Real conversation

[@learningearning8385]

“I like music that I can have my own thoughts to”...since turning 35 this is more and more true. Especially given the lyrics in current commercial hip hop.

[@growthequalslife]

This resonates thankh you 3000🙌🏿💫

[@vernellthomas6644]

Can’t wait to hear part 2! But I’ll listen to this again

[@DidoubleFF8007]

Vernell Thomas google it the whole interview is on there

[@vernellthomas6644]

Craig Johnson I saw the whole interview. But there’s more! Love this conversation between two dope artists

[@deliciarashad4670]

Man. This is speaking volumes to me right now. As an artist that hasn't been motivated to create in over a year, its definitely refreshing to be reminded that the magic is always there, once we strip away the ego... Also, I have fallen deeper in love with this man!

[@82Brooklyn7]

Looking back at it despite some of the off the wall stuff he was doing he been conscious just in his own abstract way💯.

[@dieseltyme]

Some of my favorite songs I never released because I don't want other people to like it or dislike it. I have a bunch of material out there in the ether but some songs are just for my own enjoyment and I don't feel like I have to put any more or any less effort into making them. It's all about just making stuff that you like. There's so many people out there with internet connections that someone else is bound to like it too.

[@drishananicole_]

I’m so glad OutKast came out at the time it did because it wouldn’t have been received and understood if it came out today.

[@afrank1416]

Great interview. I could listen to these two every day.

[@supune]

I feel sad that Andre is depressed from having writers' block. I think I've been having a "mid-life crisis" too. So I can relate

[@91Definite]

If you been writing music for a longtime? More than 20 years? You gonna have a dryspell unless you got a ghostwriter. But real artists don’t wanna have a ghostwriter cause they know how to write. It’s just tryna find a good thing or content to right about

[@lafrancescamitchell9948]

Always been a fan of Andre 3000. This happened to me after I had my son and hadn't made music for myself. They way I got back is remaking old school music from the 70s up to the 90s. hopefully he will find his way. we miss you.

[@misterbananas743]

There is a conversation going on within this conversation.

[@steveng7007]

Anyone else hoping Rick gonna be able to get 3000 to make the album?..

[@ak.7274]

This conversation is long overdue..

[@444bakari9]

What helps me is what i know there's always things i dont know so it keeps me balanced confident but yet open to know theres more to know idk if Andre would see this but for anyone who deals with this hope it helps

[@ryanofficer]

I agree. Lyrics direct thought. They set the tone. Instrumental music every individuals imagination is free to roam.

[@Dezzyyx]

Thank you for that insight Mozart.

[@ryanofficer]

The fact came on to post negativity..to someone you don't know...and who wasn't talking to you l...is clear depiction of who you are as person. Hopefully you raise above the filth & come to your higher person.

[@dolodreamin2043]

Damn rick dropping gems

[@JasonXBeats]

I hope these guys do an album together! Please!

[@TheGlobalMisfit]

It's so strange to hear 3 Stacks pick himself apart when the general public has nothing less than love for his work. 🤔 Rick would be a great therapist: letting his guests vent then dropping constructive advice.

[@davidtafoya2025]

This is awesome!!!!!! I love Andre!!!!! Since I was sixteen to helped me, and OURKAST!!!! FIND MY PLACE IN FUNKY LIFE!!!

[@StillOnTrack]

That's crazy that he doesn't feel confident. The few guest verses we've gotten from him like on Anderson .Paak's "Come Home" or The "Solo" reprise on Frank Ocean's Blond have been INCREDIBLE! It's like he's saving all the talent up for microbursts of mindblowing genius. But it doesn't matter how good you are, impostor syndrome can effect us all because the better we get, the better we get at recognizing great work and our ability to see/hear/understand it always matures faster than our ability to do it. It's a classic problem of creative people.

[@82Brooklyn7]

Salute to Andre 3000 i hear him on that me being a lyricist that writes I can get uninspired myself btwn all the garbage music that is still coming out dumbing down people etc as well as you just gotta feel it 💯.

[@Shawn3002]

Andre’s a master and a good spirit. Create without regard and hold it in the sunshine.

[@GantzIsSloppy]

I relate to everything he's talking about

[@queenvee9729]

how are they speaking about me ??? This is touching on every level... Just do it cause you like it.

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

You can spend endless hours trying to figure things out....and you will find yourself out of figure. Reality is you are who you are. People enjoy you because of that.

[@willmidgette9079]

Great upload I love this

[@Twinoakstrails1978]

This is a great podcast with A3000! Thank you for posting these

[@JephHoagland]

This is extremely deep and helpful as an artist

[@jinseng9304]

Yup indeed 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 know too much

[@kennisespivey]

LOVE YOU ANDRE AND YOU ARE A CREATIVE ARTIST SO YOU WILL KNOW WHAT IS YOU AND WHAT IS NOT.... YOU ARE ALREADY GREATNESS.... STAY WHO YOU ARE AND LET NO ONE MAKE YOU FEEL LESS GREAT

[@terranceturner7342]

Love this guy!!!

[@amandamattox529]

Andrea 3000 is one of the greatest to have ever lived

[@tiandrafinch3637]

What 3 Stacks is currently listening to: Steve Reich and Phil Glass

[@chuntplease]

you da real MVP couldn't make out what was Steve's last name... Thank you!

[@tiandrafinch3637]

Chunt Please my pleasure fam!!

[@echopathy]

such a fine talk

[@cityraisedhillbilly]

He’s so much like me it’s crazy.

[@surrealmurdadod5682]

We miss you 3

[@jacydyer5489]

You're looking for you. Music is something you do but it's not what you are, it's only a part. Nothing will ever fill that hole or stop the judgement until you love yourself. It's all about you. There is no outside world. Each individual only lives in the reality of their own mind.

[@brandondavis7056]

Andre is very Cavalier in his words ! When it comes to 3000 he's the hip hop. Prince the best live real talk

[@ryanroose6124]

Love that they’re talking about hieroglyphics. The crew never got enough rep.

[@soniawashington2285]

Go get Ms Badu! You are an awesome musician,and I miss you.You need inspiration, beautiful brother.

[@arjunsantiago4385]

To Andre: go Call Erykah on and on Badu Call Tyrone on the phone why you? Do that girl like that boy you ought to be shame. That songs wasn't about me. And that ain't my name.

[@aginarasool7359]

I was just listening to this last night.

[@arjunsantiago4385]

@@aginarasool7359 wooowww. 😆 I wasn't sure if anyone knew what I was talking about. I feel relieved now.

[@reggieedmond5101]

What song is that

[@aginarasool7359]

@@reggieedmond5101 "The Life in the Day of Benjamin Andre"

[@aginarasool7359]

@@arjunsantiago4385 I know that obviously most people in the comment section are fans, but I was pretty shocked to see someone recite lyrics from this song.

[@lakeithrashad]

Love his perspective. Peace to 3000. - @LakeithRashad

[@sugaloveCAFE]

i get it 3000 you dont want to dummy down for todays music

[@reodagreo7637]

Naw.. Andre has a distinct position as top 5 dead or alive to a lot of people in my generation (28-35). That's pressure! Then to be the lyricist that he is and his quote on being judgemental of his own music, he's also a perfectionist... and introverted (shy). I get it. It's better to be percieved as mysterious than normal (lame). Hes nervous he wont fit with the popular culture of today (where he stands). If he ever dropped a project, it'd probably be monumental, but the energy it would consume from him and the chance he'd be taking, he dont even feel like going there (imo)

[@123froozen]

Andre should do a podcast

[@lionelkennedy1394]

Today's music for the most part is lackluster. He's probably not feeling very inspired by what he sees right now. Andre is an observer.

[@mahmoodshah7209]

Lionel Kennedy agreed

[@brainchild2197]

He said he likes the new generation though

[@chachisaid2490]

Thaz kinda weak, how come he cant be inspired 2 inspire others az opposed 2 waiting 4 someone 2 spark his flame. That cant be it

[@Saunatomorrow]

beautiful

[@digdug6767]

“Yes.”

[@roncolem5790]

Andre lowkey sounds like Denzel sometimes.

[@hatzlmike1]

I love how human open channels of music who were not raised properly and to know God, sit like idiots wondering why whatever is happening to them is happening. You are gifted by God!!! You are of God. It sucks no one has any basics theological power understandings.

[@humblestudent7679]

thank you rick

[@Aaron-dk1rf]

He doesn't feel like carrying the torch any longer and I don't blame him

[@panameraboomin7925]

I feel like most musicians who want to release music suffer from this including myself. For me, every piece of music needs to feel special, the problem is I think it’s the people who consume the music that dictate how special something is. Our jobs is just release the damn thing!

[@selfmade7270]

3k best rapper alive

[@thisislilalice]

Damn find the spark again. Rap about this. This conversation is deep. So many people feel judgmental about themselves. Jump in and swim, clarinet ad libs lol just do you!

[@ericpayne8837]

Andre 3000 x Metronomy album 🙏🌠⚡🔥🌊🎆🤑🌋🙏

[@TmaineyOnDaBeatz]

He probably just doesn’t want to blemish his discography, idlewild is the only dud out the batch. Andre probably just figured he didn’t wanna risk out putting 2 bad albums out. On Rosa parks he said “ ‘It's weak’ is the last quote
 That I wanna hear when I'm goin' down”

[@MrsCyImsofly]

I'm listening to idlewild right now, I have no idea of this "dud" you speak of 😒💅🏾