Rick Shiels’ Brutally honest opinion on LIV Golf!!

[@eriknorthenscold704]

I worked the LIV event at Mayakoba......lots of noise and so so golf. Not very exciting but was happy working it for the charity I support.

[@dgad7270]

Here's a topic for discussion regarding LIV vs PGA: What makes LIV less engaging is that it is more of a demonstration than a true contest. The great thing about watching the Honda Classic last weekend was seeing a 30 something year old rookie grinding against a proved winner to try and earn his first win. I would love to hear you two chew on that aspect of what I think is the damning difference that will eventually sink LIV.

[@williamnichols7812]

I read a book many years ago by three teaching pros on "How to Break 90". Two things stuck in my mind. First recommendation was to quit trying to break 80. Second was more severe from a strategy standpoint. Recommendation was to pick your favorite club and distance to hit into the green and try to reach the green in one under par. The harder part was to use the strategy to get there. On a 530 par five, assuming your best club to the green was 110 yd PW. Your goal was that to be your fourth shot. You then subtract that distance from 530 and get 420. You then hit 3 140 yard eight irons shots to get to your target. It does work when you play by yourelf. I will let you guess what your buddies comments are when you pull out your 8 iron on the tee of a par 5.

[@lawrencebogar6136]

I may have read the same books. I, however, would have played 2 150 yard 7 Irons, to 300 yards, a 120 yard PW to 420 and a Gap wedge 110 yards to the green. Remember, the card doesn't ask how, just how many.

[@iamtrent2249]

You'll never get any better if you're scared to use specific clubs! What's the point in breaking 90 if you can't hit anything above a 7 iron

[@chrisearle7886]

It’s a great strategy for breaking 100 and perhaps for breaking 90 on certain holes that you can’t reach with comfortable clubs. It just depends on your game. If I can hit a 220 yard drive with confidence and then 145 and 145 leaving myself just 20 yards from the hole, even 30 yards… I’m taking that all day long because I have an easy chip onto the green for a possible up and down.

[@bradyflaten]

Strokes gained statistics disagree with that strategy regardless off Handicap.

[@JM-qn3tf]

@@bradyflaten End it sounds great until you slice your iron off the tea now you still have 400 and some yards to go and you’re wishing you would’ve just hit Driver

[@dubmn]

On the scratch to 18 handicap topic, I have a prime example of this. My cousin is a scratch golfer and me around 8 handicap. We played a round last summer that be shot even par with 1 birdie and one bogey. I shot +6 with 2 birdies and an eagle… you can guess how a few of my other holes went 😂

[@nathe3171]

Echoing what Guy said. I really started to play golf only four years ago and I did exactly what he said. I've watched and rewatched so many golf videos by you guys and other KZbinrs. It has helped me so much in how I approach the game. I listened, got lessons, continually practice, and took your advice about different lies or how to play a hole. I went in four years to easily shooting 110 or even to 120 and broke 90 last year. I have simply fallen in love with the game, and now can't get enough of it.

[@jackblog-k7m]

Basically my same story. Amen

[@zerofactor7871]

That's great to hear. The traditional swing is very difficult to execute with consistent precision, so kudos to you for working hard and improving your handicap. I took a slightly different route, and switched to a single plane swing about 8 months into my golfing career. Went from shooting in the 100-110 range before the switch, to shooting in the low 80's about 10 months later. To be fair, I spent a lot of time and money developing that skill so this don't take this as me bragging about my rapid progress, but rather as a testimonial for the single plane swing. I chalk up my rapid progress to the simplicity of the technique, rather than any special personal attributes - anyone could do what I did.

[@JM-qn3tf]

Same except I started last summer & shot a 92 still need to break 90.

[@garymelanson7794]

I'm now 68 years old, over my golfing life I've won 12 Provincial Championships (in Atlantic Canada) and played to low digit Index all my life. The secret of my success is Short Game. Getting up and down is key to scoring. It also helps to keep the ball in play off the tee. The last five years I've played exclusively with Hickory Golf Clubs and despite the shorter length off the tee, I won three of those Provincial Championships against players using modern clubs. Again keep it in play and get up and down is the secret. Simple. Haha And have fun, don't take it too seriously. Cheers from New Brunswick Canada

[@mrrational2046]

I attended liv golf in Bedminister and I love the players that have on the field. But I feel like they are no stakes because there is no history

[@twinpixelatedvision4612]

I think Guy really hit on the crux of the issue with LIV at this stage. Whether it’s the team format or the individual lineup, LIV doesn’t have a true through line that holds everything together. Maybe down the line once it develops its own history and following, but right now it’s just the off brand tour that doesn’t match the quality of the name brand PGA tour.

[@billmahar3697]

I happened to be in Mexico and did take the opportunity to go to the Sunday LIV Golf game. My initial thought is that LIV is a golf show as apposed to a golf tournament. Lots of activity and loud music. Their signage says Golf only louder. Very different and interesting to see how it will all pan out.

[@zerofactor7871]

I would tend to agree. I will draw a hard line that it is indeed a legitimate golf tournament, but agree entirely with the idea that is also very much a show. The strong emphasis on the entertainment value of their product is what's driving their growth at the moment. The younger generations are very into Netflix, KZbin and such and good entertainment is a hot commodity these days. LIV is simply adapting golf to the social trends of the younger generations, and I would wager that this will work out well for them. The PGA is already adapting to compete with them, which is the strongest sign that they're onto something good.

[@mikeramer7909]

Didn’t even know Liv was on this past weekend until an Instagram that I follow posted something in regards to it. Zero advertising. Even though, not my jam.

[@jerryt.1656]

My views on LIV match yours. I try, but I can't get excited about the golf product, and the team's component doesn't resonate. Yet, interestingly, I can't wait for a new "Break 75" or the next GOOD GOOD video! Maybe content providers have touched a nerve of relatability that a faux golf tour created by an oil cartel just can't! Keep up the good work boys!

[@peterstokes5383]

On the Liv topic, we need to keep in mind the 2nd season just started. It is still in its infancy. I don't mind Liv, but comparing it to the PGA is comparing apples to oranges imo

[@r1.454]

Keep 5 or 6 tournaments a year for 4 rounds of individual stroke play and the rest exhibition. The every weekend traditional style PGA tour is old n boring LIV is fun upbeat team play excitement I love it

[@A1BASE]

Just a suggestion - It would be really helpful to list the topics you discuss in each podcast in the description, ideally with timestamps.

[@lokidecat]

They normally have the play-bar divided up, seems to not be that way this time.

[@ralphgiofre4316]

Rick, now the Bryson has left from Cobra, will the Single-length irons be developed by his new equipment brand? Why don’t more brands go for single-length clubs? I just started playing them last year and feel very comfortable and confident with them. (mid to high handicap) Thanks men, enjoy the podcast. Ralph

[@oberder7038]

Bro he’s trying to make money, the longer you watch the more money Rick makes

[@johnathanwetherill456]

it actually costs them views because people only watch what they are interested in . Don't be surprised if they dont do it .

[@SM-po9wf]

@@johnathanwetherill456 i can see the time stamps

[@larenvanderwesthuizen966]

I'm more entertained by the LPGA at the moment than any of the mens tours. The ladies are playing great golf and there are some characters there.

[@larenvanderwesthuizen966]

PS: Being South African, I am drawn to the Stingers.

[@jeffsharp104]

I agree 100%, I would rather watch the women because their game is familiar to mine in the distances that they hit the ball. There are a lot of great LPGA players from the Kordas (Nelly is my favorite), Ko, Lee, Henderson, Kupcho to the young Thai girls Thitikul and Vongtaveelap.

[@GreenNgold7]

Me too I love watching lpga and LET

[@MrTrickatreat]

Their form/swing is always on point.

[@claycarpenter8625]

PGA all the way. The ladies are very good and better to look at but what Rahm and Homa is doing right now and the designated events with the BEST players in the world. Cant miss

[@danieljd6776]

The problem with having interest in LIV is other than money, there's nothing to play for and you get 120k for last anyway. If you win on the PGA Tour, it's a big deal. Now you qualify to play in the Majors and gain tons of points toward the Ryder Cup or President's Cup. Plus the PGA Tour has a legacy. Maybe LIV can get that someday but I don't think the LIV Tour will last long.

[@davelewis6191]

Both tours (PGA & LIV) are making the players play in certain events. The PGA tour went to this new mandatory event way this year. What is frustrating is both tours aren't great. Golf is hurting not having the best players on 1 tour

[@pnm2869]

There’s only really Cam and DJ to miss. The others just weren’t that good…yes some top 100 players.

[@FunBobbyNI]

Team name suggestions... Rick's Beheaders The Ethnic Cleansers Or have we all forgotten the main reason people object to LIV?

[@jamesm4603]

I just turned 70 and hope to shoot my age within the next 2 years I usually shoot a 72 even par a couple of times a year. I haven't shot below par yet, maybe this year I just got fitted for the new Ping G430s!

[@dfreeman32]

Lots of opinions on LIV but no denying the changes we’re seeing with the PGA tour would not have happened without the pressure from LIV (select events with all top players, increased purses, agreeing to Rory and Tiger’s new virtual events, etc).

[@industrialpalletworx3548]

Team sports are derived from professional teams or franchises representing cities. If LIV would take this aspect of their respective team competitions to the city level. As in have the Australian team representing Melbourne. Add in a particular golf course as their respective "home" course. I think this could potentially inject some drama and pride. Because at the end of the day fans of any team in a team sport generally, not all, root for their local team. In some cases favorite teams are passed down from family members because that's who you grow up watching. This model was similarly done on the PGA Tour with the Tavistock Cup tournament. Expanding that idea to LIV and hosting the tournaments at each club so you have that "home team" type atmosphere. Similar to the Ryder Cup. You could have the English Team out of Wentworth or the Belfry. In my own personal opinion this could potentially do very well with tv viewers. Consider a team out of say Pebble Beach or Michael Jordans club Grove XXIII. It would be a whole lot easier to get into and behind a team representing a particular golf course than it would be to get behind "The Range Goats"

[@chrisjeffers7300]

PGA this weekends was great; the course was epic, Cole and Kirk back stories and play off made for a real human endeavour

[@deshaungolf]

That playoff had me hype! Haha I’m glad for both of them. Going to drop my review video soon on my channel.

[@markchazz6117]

Totally agree! The field wasn’t stacked at all. But you can just feel and sense the pressure from holes 16-18. Truly was a match play style. There is no way the players who went to Liv are enjoying it. I tried to watch but it doesnt share the same excitement.

[@robertbrown7470]

I haven't seen a full round of a PGA tour unless you go back years ago.

[@etacarinae6847]

Yes. because it meant something. Great PGA event this week with up and comers I look forward to getting to know better. Those “stars” at LIV …. Bye! Don’t miss you at all.

[@gjack2008]

I agree. Golf will always be objective and about the story of that week. Lots of stories on that leaderboard last week if you take a deeper dive. Some people will some people won’t. There are weeks on the PGA tour that just don’t peak any interest. All the shit-stirring aside I just don’t find LIV interesting. It’s no secret there are world class players on LIV who are fun to watch. I just can’t stay engaged watching an event. The hype will build as we move closer to majors. Will be interesting to see where everyone falls in line. Curious to see if the laid back style of LiV will have these guys ready to go when the majors come around. I would argue it will be a big turning point for their brand depending on how they perform.

[@bannnnner]

Enjoyed the Honda Classic. Great ending. Shame the big boys weren't there. But still better than LIV imho

[@Gigity1107]

On the shooting your age thing. Bob Charles is a local legend here in New Zealand. There was an article here recently that he shot 71. Which is 15 shots better than his age of 86. Legend.

[@WarrenVanWyck15]

I got to play Bay Hill last year and I played from the back tees to see how badly the pros would beat me. I played exceptionally well and shot a 79. I'm really proud of that! Only one birdie though (hole 16 I got on in 2 and 2-putted). I might have done a couple strokes better had it not been for the recently aerated greens, but it was an amazing experience. I can't wait to watch Break 75 this week to revisit that course with you!

[@connormarler1698]

That's really impressive, nice work.

[@user-kf8qc7cx4n]

I recorderd both and I have an interesting take on both. PGA the Honda Classic was the format we are familiar with, but all the top players skipped the tournament. So someone unfamiliar one. LIV could help itself by indicating what hole they are playing e.g. when the make the turn indicate it. Oh and there were names I recognized.

[@briantimlin2650]

A LIV win doesn't matter less than a regular PGA Tour event. What really matters to top players is majors.

[@kevins2961]

Had no idea that there was a LIV event on last week. Not that I would have bothered with it.

[@stuartellison6895]

Former LCFC STH here. Saw us relegated to League 1 at Stoke, saw us lift the League 1 trophy against Scunthorpe on a Friday night. Was at the Cardiff playoffs in 2010. Was at Watford for the Deeney goal. I did all the Championship title home and away games that season. I’ve seen the great escape. I was there when we’ve won the PL. I did every home and away game in the Champions League season. I was at Wembley when we beat Chelsea in the FA Cup Final. I’ve done 75% of the Europa League and ECL games last season too. I’ve seen it all. Now? It’s hard to care to be honest. How do you ever top all that? You can’t. Nowadays I’d rather be on the golf course than down the King Power. Football life is complete ☑️

[@jeffcarr9389]

Not sure why Guy would say it's harder to watch Liv now with the app than on KZbin. Either way you open an app and hit play. I personally enjoy watching Liv, especially since there's no commercials. I also enjoy watching PGA when the big guys are playing. The Honda classic was like watching paint dry. Thank God there was another option.

[@JiaNaDaRen15]

For left handed golfers is the secret to get fitted when possible? Then they can just assemble the club thats only available right handed? My friend who's also lefty putts right handed and I've never asked him but I'm assuming that's cause most of the special putters I see are RH only.

[@thebigcheeseful]

Was with my grandfather when he first shot his age, 73! He's 82 now, and has been doing it since. (he was a scratch player most of his life)

[@zuluwarrior88]

Great episode guys….just want to mention as an instructor/ coach I need to practice what I preach…I recently became uninspired at the age of 66 and had the unrealistic GOAL of shooting my age, and did it this past season with a 64….NOW WHAT?…lol….no goals is a killer to a MENTAL game…. I’m so inspired by BERNHARDT LANGER….the guy is truly amazing….any thoughts on new goals for an old man?…lol. Keep up the good work guys….best channel for the golfing crowd.

[@andrewpassmore2495]

Goal is go do it again 🎉🎉

[@petermorris2933]

Rick , speaking about shooting below your age my club in aucklsnd has a fella now deceased who was the first in the world to do it 100 times and then the first to do it 1000 times!!. Started at 62 and finished at 94. Amazing

[@lawrencetaylor1197]

Hi Guys, my old man turned 70 back in October and plays off 5. He regularly shoots level par and his average drive is about 260-265 and it’s not uncommon for him to pipe one 300 down the middle! I think golf is a big part of how healthy he is. He plays at least 3 rounds a week and as such he is still flexible and doesn’t have a short old man swing. He also only weighs about 1 stone more than he did when he got married over 40 years ago. His golf makes me ridiculously proud and a look forward to seeing him breaking his age for many years to come!

[@nmscrenock10]

I wish the teams played together instead of being split up. Give us the banter and teamwork of guys rooting for each other on every shot

[@lobsterzilla]

These "I don't think teams work in golf" opinions are going to be interesting to revisit when Rory and Tiger are leading teams in the egolf league PGA is doing

[@Liam-ij6dn]

When did they say teams don’t work?

[@epicoverfifty9745]

@@Liam-ij6dn Rick said it about three times.

[@eckathewrecka]

Let’s get a few things into perspective. Most things in life are about taste and variety and we all have different things we like - and golf is no exception. Many people like LIV and yes most of us understand they are not playing for titles or history, they are playing for money, hence the word professionals comes to mind. By the way the PGA guys are also doing the same thing week after week, but they play a format that has been in place for many years, LIV has their own format which is new and enjoyable to watch, for many people. If I get up at 4am in the morning to watch these great golfers play off a shot gun start and get to see many of them play so I see nothing to complain about and what is so wrong with watching a different format of golf who by the way some of which the PGA is now copying. Even Tiger and Rory are going to try a different format of golf as well. If you don’t like LIV golf, then don’t watch it, it really is that simple and at the end of the day it’s sport and entertainment, we’re not curing cancer here.

[@hughten]

PGA was great this weekend. None of the big names were playing but I was still watching on Sunday. It was wonderful drama watching a player trying to break a 7 year drought and another player winning his first tourney. That encapsulates the PGA. Also, golf is hard. I enjoy watching people make it look easier.

[@garypugsley7514]

Agreed Hugh, ...I cant remember the last time I stayed awake until 11 pm for the conclusion after extra holes....

[@ceegee4405]

list of this pga weekend sucked..... nobody cares about nobodies playing golf...

[@geoffreygulley7635]

This is absolutely a spot-on review. I feel the exact same way about LIV. I have absolutely zero interest in watching or caring. I tried, I really did, but it's not for me. Love the footy banter, chaps. I'm "one of those football people" with a never-ending love for the blue side of Mersey. Like my golf, no matter how bad, hope springs eternal. Keep up the great content.

[@OurAmazingSkies]

perhaps try a football channel?

[@jonathantjoaalgreen27]

I'm a big fan. Haven't watched golf as much as I have since LIV in Centurion, London, 2022. Still some DP World Tour though, but the PGA Tour I stopped entirely with. What has been revealed about the PGA Tour especially because of Monahan has really lost my interest and support. The LIV format is new but super exciting when you invest yourself in it including the team aspect, and with an amazing world class field it's really exciting.

[@mikewright1782]

I think people focus too much on the team aspect for LIV! There are so many good individual golfers... I think everyone who says liv is boring isn't actually watching at all...

[@oldred1959]

Only thing with the Ryan 75 was the split buggies, better when you get to chat to Adam Scott walking the fairways or sharing a buggy with Rickie, feel like after I watched those I knew what it was like to play with them. Not left with much of impression with Ryan.

[@rfran5023]

I grew up playing soccer and I’m also a Liverpool fan. I started playing golf about two years ago and I absolutely love it so much, there’s never a dull moment. I’ve also been uninterested in Liverpool this season but love love all the golf going on. Also went to my first event at Riviera a couple weeks ago!! So much energy and such a great atmosphere!!

[@markmw123]

Stick to golf for a while 🔴👎

[@Yates000014806]

Watching Professional Golf doesn’t cut it for me at all. Besides the Majors and Ryder Cup I find it so boring to watch so I’m not watching g the PGA Tour or LIV. I actually prefer watching KZbin Golf now; Scrambles/Break 75/ 14 club challenges/ Alternate shot etc…… I find this content better then the Professional 4 day stroke play events

[@mitchclubb8862]

I agree with this. I’ve never watched until a few last year. I will say I much prefer the feature group format as to follow along every shot of a given player is way more interesting to me. And if they continue doing the mic’d up would be great cause see and hearing every shot is much better to me.

[@propjoe1060]

My view on LIV is that it'll never succeed on the level of the PGA Tour or European Tour in the eyes of the fans, because their events just don't have any prestige or weight, other than them being big pay-days. I couldn't care less about it. LIV may develop that prestige but its going to take 10-20 years at least before that happens, and I'm not sure if it'll stick around that long if it continues like it is. Seeing Bryson DeChambeau playing air guitar with a golf club really summed it up for me. A bit of a joke.

[@patricko6190]

Spot on

[@lawrencebogar6136]

LIV is for the kids coming up, not us. If you don't like it, then don't watch it.

[@oldskola3634]

@@lawrencebogar6136 kids don’t have money, so your comment makes no sense.

[@luckyluke5549]

Exactly why it should not be a threat to PGA that has all the history and prestige. LIV is another way golf is played with a different approach with teams and as a golfer, the more golf on the TV, the better.

[@aaronfullagar9767]

I enjoy watching both actually. I have no issue with both Tours. I know it won't pass the PGA tour but to me its more golf to watch. I know people talk about prestige. You don't just start with prestige. You have to have these tournaments for several years to build that up. I went to an event last year in Chicago. I will say it was more fun than a tour stop. I have been to several tour events. Liv did get it right there.

[@jeffsharp104]

I watched LIV until Howell was up 6 with a few holes to go, then turned on PGA, although an exciting finish in a playoff, I had never heard of either golfer.

[@gregmeakin8363]

Re the scratch player vs 18 hcp, it just shows how good a regular par is on any hole is. Always achievable, but just so easy to stuff up. Always be happy with a par! And then you throw in a bad luck moment... anything is possible!

[@jopo7996]

I think the players should do what they want. Unfortunately, havng 2 leagues will just water down both tournament fields, and eventually people will lose interest.

[@jimmydelrio8662]

For me, there is no battle for 1st place. I mean the last two people on the tee time sheet, battling it out, while someone finished an hour before, shot a low round waiting to see if they tie or win. There is a lot of pressure coming home in the last group and I love that. For instance, take the 2022 PGA golf championship when Justin Thompson came back from behind and waited for that last group to bring it home. There is drama and it's great tv.

[@ken9295]

I was actually at the LIV golf tournament this weekend in Mexico and the golf wasn’t bad and being there the teams part of it became interesting the more I paid attention. Part of that was the fact my wife is Mexican and she was cheering for the Fireballs since Abraham Ancer was on the team. Then I noticed all the players were all from Spanish speaking countries. If teams could develop some kind of common tie like that it could develop more of a following. Maybe all the players coming from the same university?? On a negative note, by the time I made it to the merchandise shop, nearly all the team gear was gone and there were no golf shirts available. How is that even possible with the smaller crowds in Mexico?? Plus the food on the course was bad and expensive. Not sure if that falls on LIV or not but that needs to be fixed in Mexico.

[@JCChavz]

You should be thankful that the merch was sold off…now you won’t be walking around looking like a brainless douchebag in LIV gear.

[@manifestyourlife6]

Not gonna lie, had LIV playing in the background this weekend now that they play it on tv on the CW channel. It wasn't great, but way more recognizable faces than that of the Honda Classic.

[@vrezhgulyan6834]

I’m really hoping we get longer podcasts in the future, especially when there are guests on. Especially since it feels like I’ve heard this same LIV discussion in every other podcast and it takes up the first 20 min of the episode.

[@deshaungolf]

Come check out something new 😉

[@carlmarks8170]

Rick Shiels is obviously toeing the party line with his criticism of LIV golf being "meaningless" tournaments, players only doing it for the money and not caring about the silverware, etc, etc... This EXACT SAME criticism can be applied to the PGA tour. Seriously, who gives a flying fuck who won the Honda Classic last week at Palm Beach Gardens in Florida? The US PGA have held 18 tournaments so far this season and they have another 30 remaining... Aside from the majors, does ANYONE really care who wins these? Golf (like tennis) has always been largely about money with most sports fans basically ignoring the week-to-week results and only paying attention to the Majors (or the Grand Slams in tennis)

[@JM-qn3tf]

@@carlmarks8170 I understand what you’re saying but he is correct… The liv tour just feels like it doesn’t mean anything because there’s no history or tradition. But yeah the thing is we never really cared about the regular tournaments outside of the majors in the PGA else except for a few. The top throws would skip a lot of offense. And I just wish that they would’ve made a deal because a lot of my favorite players left the PGA now but trying to watch liv as a hard watch. I just don’t care

[@jimross1976]

Rick, is it possible for you to do a Break 75 at Augusta National prior to The Masters? Is there a member there you could pair up with to make that happen? You’ve played some amazing courses… don’t know if you’ve ever had a chance to play Augusta.

[@reyo8036]

Even if he can get a round; they won't let him film there.

[@jongarufi8579]

If it wasn’t for Rick an good good I would have never picked a club up! Now I’m in love with golf!

[@keystone19761]

I work with another players' assistant at our par 72 course in central PA who is now 79. For the last 4-5 years he consistently shoots under his age. His current handicap is 4. For a VERY interesting interview with Arnold Palmer by Peter Kessler talking about the one time he shot under his age, just do an online search.

[@rickjablonski9669]

Rick, I agree with your premise that PGAT would take the first guy back. Makes complete sense based on the optics. At the same time, I think maybe they won't. As this then sets a precedent and incentivizes guys to jump to LIV for a year. Collect a huge paycheck, then head back to the PGAT. Granted, maybe you're right that they'd have to give all the money back. Or maybe the LIV is even more restrictive that they can't leave. Which would be hilariously ironic. But if there's.a way for guys to go LIV, come away with a nice chunk of change, and then come back, I don't think the PGAT will open that can of worms. Maybe a one time amnesty period would be the way to go?

[@nelsonjames1272]

I can guarantee you now that some may be starting to worry about that very thing, being owned or controlled.

[@pushtostart1377]

Top college gofers are already choosing liv over pga tour and it’s going to keep happening.

[@rickjablonski9669]

@@pushtostart1377 not sure how that matters. Being a top collegiate player doesn't guarantee professional success. And no one (at least currently) is making a name for themselves via playing on LIV.

[@ivannapoles4049]

Going off of Guy's comment about new golfers finding this channel extremely early on in their golf journey; I actually discovered Tommy Fleetwood through this channel. I had never actually played a round of golf when I started watching your videos on practicing chipping and putting so Rick's channel was probably my first exposure to the world of golf passed knowing who Tiger is and hearing about a few of the different Majors

[@DFowlesVWID7Tourer]

My son is a leftie and luckily I grew up not far from Silvermere so I have found the excuse to line up some clubs for him ! It is a bit of a challenge but worth looking at E-bay too as well for second hand ones while they learn

[@evamarielowndes3230]

This fake acc is commenting on all comments be careful

[@andybt3989]

Thanks for answering the question guys!

[@MrFussPantsChicago]

"Less bogeys, and less nonsense".....never heard sounder advice Guy, but thats the BEST part of my game! Great conversation guys, always a good listen/watch whatever you two are up to! Looking forward to Bay Hill and TPC videos!

[@bosullivan5462]

Lads, Great chat...well done. I have say that I disagree about LIV golf in that I think they have a very ordinary collection of players. How many are really any great loss to the US pga Tour? Cam Smith and Dustin Johnson. I dont miss Patrick Reed, Bryson the long driver..... When was Charles Howell III ever a big name competing at the top of the leaderbaord? As for Lee Westwood.. He's been a Ryder Cup stalwart but hes past it now and also Poulter has been finsished for 5 years. I doubt the PGA would take back any players even Cam Smith because it would give others the hope that they could try Liv and come back..... Keep up the good work. The break 75's are great...

[@waterbornesystems]

My son who has played scene he was 3, watches every video for tips that Rick my give to help him develop. After he see’s something he goes out and practices for hours just to make himself better. Thanks for your videos

[@johndomutz1052]

Thanks. Nice round on a really nice course. Made a lot of putts until the 18th. I think you'll keep the putter. Interested to see how it goes with those blades.

[@patrickflynn8195]

Not a big LIV fan, but wondering if you would have Greg Norman join the podcast? Keep up the great work!

[@SweenBeanUK]

I’ve been round my local course in level par (70). With 5 birdies. Putter was on fire 🔥. 1 putted on 7 holes.

[@richardnavratil9661]

Politics aside and the whole Saudi situation around LIV, how do you compete against virtually a bye-weekend for PGA tour where no top players played and loaded LIV gets virtually no views? If they want young pop to watch, put it back on YT and not behind a paywall of CW of all networks

[@brianclark3503]

The Iona and Rick at Crail has been the best Break 75 episode in my view. From the course to the level of play to the foundations of Golf in the Kingdom, that episode had my entire attention from start to finish. I am enjoying the Break 70, 75 and 80 addition to the series this year. Kudos to you all, Rick and Guy, and James for the great start there.

[@johndomutz1052]

Thanks. Nice round. Lot of good putts, until the last one. You picked a difficult set of irons, there. I'm interested to see how that turns out!

[@AM-hk3uw]

Interesting times in the Golf world. I am more disconnected to Pro Golf than ever. No one really cares or remembers who wins anything else than the 4 majors. I would love to see 4 rounds of 14 holes played over 2 days eg Sat and Sunday. Golf needs to be 14 holes and should be able to played in 2hrs - then we have a new exciting fast moving sport - 120mins / 14 holes = 8.5 mins per hole. Its time to get this sport moving. Could also make it mixed pairs, what about limiting the number of clubs eg 7 clubs. Just some thoughts.

[@patrickwhipple1378]

The best ending to a any podcast in the history of podcasts!! 😂😂😂

[@danowen22]

3:02 Rick sounds like your son is an ice hockey fan 😂 Tampa Bay Lightning have been dominant for the last handful of years now so it’s a solid choice.

[@MrTrickatreat]

I tried watching the liv broadcast. The team aspect felt like it was something extra that you got to follow, so I actually didn't mind it. The thing that made me change the channel was all the distracting music in the background. Not the broadcast music, but the music at the actual tournament. It was so casual that it didn't seem like it anything actually mattered or that the players cared. Also, it didn't help that all their "stars" didn't do anything.

[@Aaron-nj4ou]

For me the best part of the PGA your is that someone can come from nowhere and win and change their life forever. There are a lot of great events week to week and of course some will be duds. The Players is as good as any major and the playoffs have been fantastic for several years. I don’t watch LIV and never will for many reasons. Loved the break 75 at Isleworth thanks for the great content guys!

[@industrialpalletworx3548]

The thing with the PGA Tour is the fact that there are so many minitours out there developing talent to play the big tour. If the PGA Tour recognized this fact and did more to help these players it would be a game changer for their pool of talent. Another thing that can be done would be to co-sanction an event with the LPGA Tour. Put the ladies at shorter tees equal to the percentage less the women hit the ball to on average. Meaning if the women average 250 off the tee and then men average 260 move the ladies up 10 yards. Same greens, same conditions, same pins, and most importantly same money. Would love to see Nelly Korda going up against Jon Rahm or whomever players.

[@robertbrown7470]

No matter what there are only so many places available at the top. Check out the Andy Ogletree story. LIV Golf probably saved his career and propelled him forward. I'm for competition. I like all the tours even though I can't watch full rounds of the PGA without getting premium subscription channels. I think LIV is forcing the PGA to open up golf to the masses of golf fans.

[@industrialpalletworx3548]

@Robert Brown exactly! Well said. And a majority of the LIV players are past their respective prime anyway. Has Phil Mickelson sniffed a lead yet? Not that I've heard, but I don't follow LIV. Phil was my guy until he left the PGA Tour.

[@lukeemmo02]

yeh im off 12 HC, almost shot my first round in the 70s last week. But i double boggey the 9th and the 17th which killed it. My round had 2 birdies also. Best score still is an 83.

[@brettbhowell]

LIV golf is a three day exhibition league made to look like a traveling circus. I honestly feel bad for the former professional athletes who have sealed their fates forever by joining in. Crushers, fireballs, Aces…these are names you hear at boys and girls club basketball tournaments or in rec league softball. The product is lack luster, the sports washing of Saudi Arabian human rights abuses is unforgivable, and the lack of a cut plus the promise of guaranteed money makes for a 3 day event with no drama whatsoever. To each their own though. If something about it appeals to any of you, then good on you mate 👍🏻.

[@bverser]

My grandpa is 81. He told me tonight he made 6 birdies today from the forward tees. He shoots low 70s regularly.

[@cameronneave9011]

Let's face it liv golf is for people who like having a few beers filming themselves driving there golf carts through bunkers and over greens.

[@michaelogleby5892]

I look forward to watching break 75 and having a couple of beers, more so than the standard PGA/DP coverage

[@WilliamWright-hf8ob]

LIV is awesome !!!!!! and I thank them every Thursday when the PGA tour starts that they Started another tour that took pretty well every guy of the PGA tour that I hated starting with Phil , Patrick Reed , Bryson , Koepka ( Brooks not Chase who cares about him he was a throw in to get his bother ) , Sergio ,Bubba , the only one that I miss is DJ but seems like a great trade off to me !!!

[@garymelanson7794]

Rick you should test the Penfold Heart and Ace Golf Balls. They're not on the approved list yet but they're the modern version of a classic golf ball.

[@Mjones8383]

Are the new Sirixon irons as good as I'm hearing???

[@MooseKnucks]

The thing about the LIV teams is they don't have a tie to a city or location. For example, most Liverpool fans are from Liverpool. The original fans of a team are usually geographically tied to the team.

[@stevecassidy9019]

Just an FYI Lou isnt just some guy who uses Arccos, he's the Data Lead for Arccos. He works for them.

[@evamarielowndes3230]

There is an account commenting on most comments it is saying "great fan Dm me I have a present (or surprise) for you🎁🎁" Just be careful not to get scammed. I might be wrong and they are really nice and not scamming but just in case be careful. BTW love the channel Rick you are my favourite KZbinr ever.

[@GreenNgold7]

As an 18 handicapper I can go around my local par 70 6800 yards and fire in 3 or 4 birdies on a good day but I’ll still be lucky to shoot 85 because of all the doubles and maybe an odd triple

[@colinfagan539]

The thing with LIV is that it's not designed for golf fans. I think most people like us (people that are so interested in golf that they are sitting around watching a golf podcast on Tuesday afternoons) don't need all the flair and gimmicks to watch golf. LIV seems to be designed to try and reach people that aren't golf fans and bring them in as new golf fans. The problem is, in today's world of unlimited content options, I just don't know if there are that many people out there for LIV to find and bring in

[@nicholastaylor9375]

Regarding the scratch vs higher handicap thing, I also read this week that according to data collected by Arccos a scratch golfer will average 31 putts per round, while a 15 handicapper averages 35 putts per round. That's a way smaller difference than I expected.

[@Ricardo-ur5os]

Biggest different between pros and amateurs is pros get up and down more often. They hit more greens and when they do miss them more often than not they’ll get it up and down

[@benjaminblakemore9704]

Guys, it's simple... the Ryder cup is not the sport it's the country representation and that is instant rivalry and history. Golf ain't a team sport without an element of country of origin attached to the teams!!! LIV IS DONE BOYS!!! ✌️🤟😉🤙👍😄

[@austinbonelli311]

The blunt delivery of Guy's 'his dad, not is twin' had me in tears 😂

[@kevinmontgomery1054]

What happened to your garage conversion into a golf simulator? Do I correctly recall you saying part of the reason for that was to do club reviews?

[@61albee]

I agree with Golf Channel's Ryan Lavner's statement concerning LIV Golf..., “LIV’s drawbacks can’t immediately be remedied, because they’re part of the upstart league’s DNA. There are no stakes, no consequences, no substantive storylines. There is no upward mobility, no context to a player's performance, no career milestones to achieve. It’s a closed shop: the same 48 players in 13 stroke-play tournaments, all of equal importance, competing for nothing but pride and a boatload of cash, devoid of any meaning or significance.”

[@sethcourtney468]

Looking forward to the Bay Hill video. Rick isn’t kidding when he says it’s one of the most difficult courses in the world. Absolute monster from the back tees… and when the wind picks up, forget about it.

[@deshaungolf]

Just posted my breakdown! ❤

[@jonathanlawson5812]

Regarding golf on TV, and what I like to watch. I prefer watching top fields on historic courses. Rather than middling fields on resort courses. I don't think I'm much different from most in that regard. The past few weeks on PGA held exceptional fields in Phoenix and at Riveria. And the golf and competition were compelling until the final putt dropped. When the PGA plays outside of the continental US with average fields it tends to be less compelling for me to watch, not to mention the number of commercials and "Playing Through" breaks. Garbage commercial Television. Ive found the Team aspect to be quite compelling. I'm not cheering for one team over the other yet, but I do have preferences. Last year's final team tournament was some of the best Golf on TV since Tiger won the 2019 Masters. Having all players playing at the same time is far more compelling than Thurs and Friday on the PGA Tour. I get to see my favorite players play regardless of where they are on the leaderboard. Lastly, the LIV commentary tend to drone on and get a bit childish.. probably because they are on for 5 hours straight without commercial breaks

[@Handletaken4]

You make double when you: Shoot at a front pin Chip close but leave the ball above the hole Miss the fairway from the tee Leave putts short Going for par 5s in two or trying to drive a par 4 and instead of leaving yourself with a 100y wedge on a flat lie you are hitting from grass or sand with ball above or below your feet

[@josephclites6971]

Is the quality of the podcast video different? It seems better or there’s more camera edits or something…can’t quite put my finger on it.

[@dboo776]

LPGA is awesome to watch. Young rookie from Thailand hitting a flop shot off the 18th green for eagle. Heaps of story lines for different players and great golf. I enjoy Champions Tour with Langer winning again at his age. Then of course DP World and the PGA. I have enough to watch without LIV. I just miss watching Louis O and Cam Smith.

[@peterscuba]

Fair enough Rick and Guy aren't into LIV yet, but they also rarely watch PGA, DP World Tour, Asian Tour, LPGA

[@jellybaby9630]

Rick & Fan Boys Hate LIV Crap They Said can not be Unsaid

[@Tommy-ie2vv]

For me it’s really simple… LIV has no history behind their tournaments so each event just feels like a friendly knock around with the pals and there’s no real competitive edge because everyone is gonna get paid the big bucks regardless. I want to see top pros playing for the prestigious Players Championship at the iconic TPC Sawgrass or the Arnold Palmer invitational at Bay Hill etc, fighting for the win or even just to make the cut