I Told You This Was Going To Happen

In today's episode I talk about some recent advancements in AI music technology and what its implications are.
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[@JonKovach]

"I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes"

[@morizanova]

You need to call right genie to grant your wishes ! Sadly in this world right now, another type of genie who came around and play in our playgrounds

[@leiathedog999]

You already have machines that do your laundry and dishes.

[@JonKovach]

@@leiathedog999 speak for yourself!

[@---wd3hp]

AI has taken note of your irony, much like Billy Mumy in Twilight Zone. "You're a very bad man," it says. You may be banished to the fields.😂

[@FOKI5895]

People joked about blue collar jobs being replaced by robots and their computer jobs. There was a meme a couple years ago about how truckers should learn to code. As it turns out, AI is much better at doing stuff on the computer than being a trucker, carpenter or laying tile in your bathroom. It can do management, accounting and write code. Its the office jobs that are going away.

[@Danpeezie2]

Problem is most pop music has already sounded like its made by robots for years

[@DuffElmer]

Truth

[@user-mf4rm4fj6l]

The 2010s and 2020s are awful, except for some handful of true gold songs!

[@CJ_Wolesz]

Exactly. Pop music artists have been digging their own graves without even realizing it.

[@nickc1019]

MUZAK

[@rolandoproambiente5989]

😂😂😂

[@tonysales3687]

I been playing piano and sax for 40 years. Bands, shows, tours, weddings , parties One thing the AI cant do is give me the satisfaction I get from playing, the nuance of a real instrument vibrating the air, the people witnessing it, the subtlety of it, as I shape the sound with the reed and diaphragm. The nuance of a life lived all going into the performance.

[@benporter6576]

Live music changes lives.

[@Era515]

The first live music festival I attended (after Covid), I was in tears. To once again hear real music with others around me was such an emotional experience. I hadn't realized how much I'd been starved for it. Music connects us in so many ways. AI music will never be able to reach my heart that way.

[@sofiedonaldson4203]

Lets hope people recognise this too.

[@gtabro1337]

That is true but the video and his point is from the point of the listener only and how most people can’t tell whether that’s you or AI.

[@wsreed327]

The reason it’s so hard to tell the difference in some songs is because of all the vocal manipulation we’re already hearing with most singers. We’re is the pure vocal talent with a little delay and echo.

[@dyoneffcennedie2939]

I was going to make my own comment to say something along these lines but I'll just reply because you're pretty much making the same point. I think this might initiate a push back to purely acoustic music. Good luck to an AI trying to emulate a stunningly gifted pianist or violinist. You cannot fake the real thing

[@bobsaydahmat5060]

Until it can have the dexterity of a human

[@Hankblue]

You're kidding yourself, AI doesn't struggle with emulating complex pitch movements. It's like saying a printer would struggle more to print out an oil painting than a photograph. AI will copy any style you feed it, it's weakness is innovation not microtuning.

[@HerrSint]

"And the Grammy for best AI prompt goes to...."

[@joshrobinson5616]

😂 that’s good. And probably coming soon.

[@organicvinyl-DEJ]

There are actually 4 new categories on the Grammy ballots for AI. Done!

[@TomatoFettuccini]

This is exactly the issue. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got it.

[@lira8058]

​@@TomatoFettuccinithis is not the issue. This is one of the least from all the issues.

[@azcoyote007]

Horrific joke that is going to come true. Only way to keep AI from winning other categories.

[@zenmaster356]

This is from Orwell's 1984, published in 1949: "The tune had been haunting London for weeks past. It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator. But the woman sang so tunefully as to turn the dreadful rubbish into an almost pleasant sound." Prophetic...

[@fdllicks]

Versificator! I love that word

[@jevinday]

Good God. I need to read 1984 again! Haha. I read it in like 2015 and I was like "yeah, it's coming." If I read it now it's gonna be like "oh yeah, we have that now. Oh, yeah, that too. Fuck."

[@Javdoc]

@@jevinday I first read it in 1983 in middle school, have read it every few years since just to see how we've progressed. In many ways, 1984 is kinda quaint at this point.....

[@ralphfurley4217]

100%

[@Nathan-ng1kp]

Georgy calls another one!

[@isaackleiner87]

I am that unknown musician who, over the course of 4 years, has been coming up with my own original, unique concept for my sound and material, it was a very subtle and complex process, when you try to combine the incompatible and make it sound familiar, it is a lot of suffering. But now I have received a clear message from this world that I am not needed here. My ego and individuality were literally damaged and dissolved beyond repair. But I feel that deep down my love for creation and for music does not depend on any external factors or even listeners, it warms me.

[@kspice6807]

I feel for you. But in a sense this changes nothing for people like you. You used to be competing with millions of other artists and all of recorded music history and big name marketing firms which was a seemingly insurmountable task anyway. Now this is just one more. There will always be people who want that personal touch. AI did drawn art much faster than it could do music, and artists still exist. If you were doing it to make money, YUP AI will be a big dent in potential profits for all human artists the same way it has hit the online freelancer market. But as an old guy I can tell you: the sky is always falling and the apocalypse is always coming. I am a writer and we have survived online piracy, electronic libraries making all old books instantly accessible for free, competing with dozens of new forms of entertainment when we didn't have to previously, we're surviving AI too. There have been millions of other artists. There will be BILLIONS more in the future. AI is just another big number on top of that already near-infinity. However there is one thing that none of those artists have ever had, or ever will have, that only you have: You are you. Lean into that harder than ever and you have no reason not to continue.

[@isaackleiner87]

​@@kspice6807 This is a terrible series of shocks, but I'm inspired that you didn't give up.❤

[@lauracrimsonmusic]

Musicians often face that broken ego at some point of our lives. The faster you learn the lesson that music making shouldn't be related to your ego or worth, the better :) It'll pave the way to making music a happy and rewarding part of your life and not a burden. The truth is, none of us are truly needed as musicians in the big picture. Not even as humans. You just happen to reach certain people that connects with you or do not and hence you become needed by them, perhaps even for some short amount of time. And it's ok and quite freeing imo! Take that 'damage' as an opportunity to be reborn in a new way where people's judgement or loyalty is irrelevant and you can be free to express yourself in whichever way you want. Like you say, your love for creation is so fundamental and deep that doesn't have to do with playlists, listeners or success. It's the only thing that matters. And if a meaningful success shall come (in whichever way), it'll only be worth through the authentic and honest expression that comes from that love for creating. Anything else can actually turn into a golden hell. Regarding AI, it scares me, it disgusts me, and I've decided to turn my back on it, regardless of what other people may say or how far it will enter into our lives. I'll reject it as far as I'm able to, even if that means becoming ostracised, which I don't care because I'm not worried about being streamed or known widely. I'll just continue doing things the way I believe. Best luck to you!

[@michaelparson-mcnamara782]

Initially as a 75 year old pro musician since '63, I am SO glad I lived through this "golden age" of music/sonics/gear/sound production. I can't really imagine the world not too far ahead......

[@velvetbees]

I wonder if people will know what real music is. I wonder if songs will be half as long for twice the price. And if it will be illegal to record your own singing voice or instrumentals. Did you know it is illegal to capture rainwater in some states? Rainwater. A free, natural resource.

[@crazydigitalmusic]

I do understand you very well. I'm 69 yo.

[@anthem3560]

​@@velvetbeescorrect about the rainwater same in Australia

[@rikk319]

@@velvetbees Which states would those be, genuinely interested to know. The thing is, some people may not be able to imagine the world not too far ahead, but the point is SOMEONE will have to live in it, like my son. Throwing up your hands about the future and saying, "well, at least it is someone else's problem, not mine because I'm older" is half of the reason we're in this predicament as humanity.

[@rikk319]

@@velvetbees Well, I did a simple web search, and found out collecting rainwater ISN'T "illegal" anywhere in the United States...but it is regulated in 11 states, for different reasons. Sometimes humans can be as disingenuous and deceptive as AI text generators. Really, reading comments on KZbin filled with nuggets of "wisdom" requires just as much skepticism as always.

[@mdogwynn]

Makes me proud to be a horrible saxophone player. No respectable AI would ever dare to reproduce my crap!

[@ChiefBridgeFuser]

Your goal should be to poison the training dataset. 😮😅😂

[@betogonzalez9015]

Jajaja

[@jamesslick4790]

@@ChiefBridgeFuser THAT'S the BEST idea! Where do I upload my terrible keyboard mashings to really screw with the datasets! 🎶🎶💀🎶🎶☠😮

[@pbenson56fran]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 but I prefer live imperfect saxophones😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RAEckart22]

@@jamesslick4790 Ferris Bueller's Day Off has a clarinet solo you could start with

[@suite6creative]

the other day I was at a diner and a waitress took my order ... two eggs scrambled, rye toast ... light butter, coffee, black no sugar ... home fries lightly crispy .... I'm an incredible cook ....

[@Ponchy]

haha this comment needs more likes

[@RickBeato]

Perfect!

[@_RLP]

Hahaha! Nailed it!

[@greghood9481]

I entered your order as a prompt in udio. KZbin won't let me publish the link here, but the result was pretty funny.

[@fr1nkly]

Is there an emoji for not having a clue? That is me. You completely lost me.

[@aimeecalexander]

"If you want to sound like computers, it's easier for computers to sound like computers." So great!

[@IanLuckett]

Like many commenting here I am a song writer (for over 40 years - I am now 60). I gave up for a while in my 20's to get married, have children, and be able to afford to live, but I never really stopped, just stopped trying to be a professional. For many years I wrote songs just for my wife on her birthday, and Valentine's Day, and Christmas, then when our children came along I wrote birthday songs for them. Recently my eldest (now 21) Daughter asked me to do recordings of songs she has heard me playing since she was a child. Most were my own compositions, but three were songs by other artists. When I asked why those three in particular, she told me that even though she knew the original songs she preferred my versions (aren't our children amazing - they make us feel so valued 😄 Most of the time LOL). What this made me finally realise is that those times, in the garden, in the kitchen, in the living room, when I picked up an acoustic guitar and simply played and sang live in front of them; they loved it more than listening to mainstream recorded music. This is the true value and glory of music, not the industry version that, let us be fair, ruined music in the name of profit, but rather the real human, and non-profit motivated, sharing of music in a real life situation. We may have had our capacity to earn money removed in the traditional sense, but we can still inspire and delight those who hear us. (And yes, I do get rounds of applause from neighbours if I am playing in my garden, which I suspect says more about how lovely they are than it does about my ability.)

[@thespacealienssmogandgrog4283]

Rick, you need to start a "What Makes This Song Fake" series.

[@eligreenslade7699]

Good idea. I'm for the artists the ones that can play and sing on a stage, the ones who write by drawing something out from themselves. Are there people who will go to a concert and be presented with just technology, that plays AI composed music? Robots say who are programmed to play guitar, drums, bass, cello, flute, whatever? Maybe, but I think that the majority of people go to a concert to connect with other human beings playing something that they have created. With music it's the human to human connection that is important. Sure there will be a growing industry of AI compositions, recorded using AI, that will be played in all mediums, radio T.V. films, adds, whatever. AI made compositions are made by learning from actual humans. But can an AI machine ever feel, have a heart, come up with something born of lived experience? I doubt whether a machine could come up with something unique, from actually being creative. Will AI ever be able to write something as real and beautiful as 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' or 'Pancho and Lefty' or 'Like A Rolling Stone' or 'If You Could read My Mind'.

[@thespacealienssmogandgrog4283]

@@eligreenslade7699 Exactly. AI, unless it becomes emotionally sentient, will never be able to feel joy, anger, anxiety, jealousy, hopefulness or crushing disappointment after crushing disappointment. These are the things that fuel expression through art.

[@paulmoncton]

😂😂😂

[@eligreenslade7699]

@@thespacealienssmogandgrog4283 Yes I agree entirely. I have made 4 studio albums and one 45 over a period of 4 decades. I like recording with a band, but performing live with a band is my ultimate. That's where the biggest, most immediate connection is. That's where we serve the music and we serve the people listening; where the energies come together and uplift everyone..

[@itsjusterthought7941]

lol ...Rick said he could not hear why it was fake.

[@mojoefelix]

"Go into the arts. I’m not kidding. The arts are not a way to make a living. They are a very human way of making life more bearable. Practicing an art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow, for heaven’s sake. Sing in the shower. Dance to the radio. Tell stories. Write a poem to a friend, even a lousy poem. Do it as well as you possibly can. You will get an enormous reward. You will have created something." - Kurt Vonnegut

[@TheLeeFaulkner]

yep...

[@folm235]

Yes, exactly. For almost all human history people made art without expecting to make a living at it. The brief period in the 20th-21st century when a small percentage of artists made money is the exception.

[@theminotaurs]

"When I am gone, all that will be left are the songs." ( Adapted from quote I don't know where.)

[@claudiasolomon1123]

​@@folm235Artists historically never being paid was not something to be proud of.

[@sentientfootwear]

@@folm235 Sorry, but this just isn't true. For much of human history storytellers, minstrels, strolling players have been able to make their living from their art. Maybe they didn't make much money, but they were able to get food and lodgings as a minimum. Also, for many centuries artists and composers had patrons who enabled them to devote their lives to their art, and in so doing, elevate their art to the sublime. Even those who didn't were often able to make a living by selling their works, if they were good enough.

[@joblo2671]

Rick, as someone who has been thru a lot in life, music has been a great source of salvation in my life. No fan of auto-tune. The flaws, the scars, the errors, the vulnerability, are the beauty in the art. The thing that touched me and moved me about many songs and music was knowing someone else, somewhere, another human being, was feeling the exact same things and that I was not alone, no matter how much I felt that way. Discovering music that touches a nerve and describes what I feel is magical and transcendent. I dont hate computers nor am I a "Luddite". But stop messing with my music!

[@ZhiroMinoda]

So I'm a salsa musician, and our ensemble was often hired to play at dances, clubs, big and small venues. Over the last few years we saw a steady decline in gigs. Turns out they were hiring what we call midi groups, a dude or sometimes two, with only a keyboard and maybe some percussion, the whole track is played thru the keyboard midi player and the guy would only sing on top of it while pretending to play. Sometimes they replaced us with a single dude with a speaker singing over karaoke! and people danced like crazy, sometimes even more than when we played for them, I was kind of mad at the venue managers for hiring them, but then i realized. The thing is, that's enough for most people, that's the extend of their demands. We're still hired to play at live only venues but, only the minority of the populace goes there and while the pay increased because of that, it still won't compensate the overall loss. A new market opened and we became outdated and niche for the general taste. I think the same think will happen with AI, a minority will still listen to human (or partially human) made music, but for most people AI will be more than enough (and by then AI will be so good that even music hobbyists will enjoy some of it).

[@PM9Video]

After playing with this AI crap for a while, I went back to listen to Dark Side of the Moon. It was like an oasis in a vast desert of nothingness.

[@foljs5858]

@@PM9Video Yes, but you went back, so you knew the oasis from before. Kids growing up with AI might not even understand why its inferior

[@MattGabnai]

hey Rick, lead audio designer from Ubisoft here (and a lifelong musician), I can also hear what your kids hear. The reason you probably don't pick up on it is because you haven't worked with text-to-speech voice synthesis that much. You can clearly hear the artifacts in the vocals (especially if you listen to the reverberation, those tend to get modulated everywhere as the algorithm doesn't pick up the reverb tails well), and the overall low-end / mid-end saturation on all of the AI generated songs, in its current iteration it's really-really similar, like a tictactoe game - very basic. They all sound as if there was heavy parallel compression on them between 200-600Hz, and there's never a lot of high end. If you focus on more the overall frequency spectrum of a song (load them up in a DAW and get a frequency analyser on them, they all have almost the same curve) and how aesthetically and dynamically similar they all are from a mixing point of view, I'm sure you'll recognize these generated songs very quickly.

[@MattGabnai]

also I never heard of an AI song in weird time signatures, and it's always staying in the same key. 😊

[@Zareh_Abrahamian]

@@MattGabnai Pssst! Don't make them aware of their shortcomings. 🤫

[@christopherwinkler4451]

@@Zareh_Abrahamian LOL I was thinking the same thing. Does AI read youtube comments?

[@MattGabnai]

@@Zareh_Abrahamian don't worry, they know without me. By iteration 10 it'll be like midjourney is now for graphics - not perfect, but a very, very useful tool

[@AndrewGalucki]

You being a musician yourself, I'm curious how you morally justify your role in this type of AI.

[@thepastichiomedley5]

AI won't stop me playing and recording music. Most of us have no audience and no money. It doesn't stop us being creative. We have to do it. The creative process means more to us.

[@premiumboard21]

everything you said is true. i feel sad but also hungry of creative process at the same time.

[@resignator]

Been playing the guitar and recording it for over 30 years. I wouldnt care if I was the last person on earth I would still do it. I dont even play for my friends. Something deeply personal about it that I dont care to share with many.

[@GS-uy4xo]

As I pack up 3k worth of gear for a $50 gig - while saving for another guitar, I’m still a happy kid!

[@premiumboard21]

@@resignator did u make aliving from the music? Or just hobby?

[@BreandanAnraoi]

Same, but that's not the issue. It's that a hell of a lot of musicians are not going to get paid in future because others will generate AI music instead of paying someone to make and play it. TV/movie soundtracks. Ads. Elevator music. Video games. And that will have the knock on effect of slashing income for studios, sound engineers etc. A lot fewer people will be able to make a living from music now.

[@cakeller98]

I noticed a few things about the AI-generated songs that might explain why they sound different to me: Reverb and Digital Harmony: The female vocals seem to have an excessive amount of reverb and a digital harmony that feels too precise. It’s something that can be achieved by humans using a DAW, but it’s unlikely to occur naturally when singing. 8-bit Interpolation: There’s a subtle feeling like the vocals are interpolated from an 8-bit track. It’s hard to describe, but it gives a slightly artificial vibe... like the vocals don't sound 8-bit... but rather they are missing SOMETHING? Audio Filtering: I detect a faint hiss that seems like there was more and it has been removed, resulting in an unnaturally clean but still has remnants of a hissing sound. It reminds me of poorly recorded audio that has been filtered to sound like it was perfectly recorded in a silent sound booth - but sounds just a bit off. It's also then enhanced with this always the same average over-the-top reverb and harmonization... it's like taking crap black and white photos and "fixing them" by pushing contrast. it doesn't really make it better it just "hides" the flaws without adding anything. I’m not sure if I’m right about this, as I don’t have the musical ear/expertise to be certain. These are just my impressions, and I might be overthinking what I’m hearing. Ha! Great video - I rarely watch youtube videos from start to finish - this one though was riviting.

[@tomruth9487]

Yes, I will agree, was just working with AI today and I definitely noticed the tight vocal harmonies sound too good to be real.

[@nated2922]

There is a beacon of hope. This channel and channels like Drumeo showing people what it's like to make music and make it great. The beauty of how changing one little thing can completely change the feel of a song.

[@JonIllescas]

I'm an Art teacher in Spain and the other day, one good student who liked playing the guitar told me he is not interested in music anymore because, according to him, the majority of the people will accept this fake music and musicians won't find any job in the near future. I tryed to persuade him that a few percentatge of people (but milions around the world anyway) will enjoy living music and paying for it forever. I hope I was right...

[@jurassicthunder]

should've said something like the world is too hungry for real human connection through music, AI can't replace that.

[@darlenegriffith6186]

I find this use of AI to be very disturbing. Remember the Borg in Star Trek? Half machine, half human. I never thought I would say this, but it seems we are headed in that direction.

[@geocosmicvalentine]

@@darlenegriffith6186Unfortunately, when the Borg said, “Resistance is futile,” they were right.

[@hanknotchinaski8222]

I think the number of people who want "living" music will dwindle with each generation. They'll become the hipsters of tomorrow

[@shaochengfeng728]

Yes. I am worrying about my kid too

[@signorenzo5957]

I am a graphic designer and people doesn't want to hire a real graphic designer because AI make a "nice logo" for free in 1 minute. I think the problem is not AI, is people want things fast and cheap, not value imagination, good taste, long years of study and talent.

[@ttturtle1863]

The AI does have good taste and long years of study and talent - it's just that it's yours and every other graphic designer's!

[@MrVidification]

Adobe will convince that AI is just another feature, whilst it learns from all your manual work. Some of their software may reduce itself to a search box requiring a detailed description of your requested output and nothing else one day

[@velvetbees]

​@@MrVidification That is why after over 20 years in Photoshop I am changing to Affinity.

[@jaredpurcell8835]

I hate to burst your bubble, but AI is going to be better than us at everything. Arts and design by humans is going to be obsolete first. Things we used to take value in like "long years of study," doesn't mean anything to an AI program that can draw from the entire history of your field in seconds. The irony is it will eventually be better at programming AI than the people who are creating all these job-stealing AI programs.

[@limes_I]

Yeah think about othe fields as well, like architecture, product design, writing, etc. ​@@jaredpurcell8835

[@johnpeterson5354]

About two years ago, I started attending monthly local jam sessions and Old Time Bluegrass festivals. This is real music that’s melody addictive fun. Always has been, always will be. No power is required. . . . The focus is on community. Grab your stringed wooden box and visit. AI does not affect us.

[@swagmund_freud6669]

Two years ago, I had an english project where we had to make a "visual essay". I have no visual arts skills so I asked my teacher if I could make a song instead. It was for the death of a salesman, and I made a New York-styled hip hop beat with a lot of samples very carefully chosen to have specific meanings in relation to the book and how they interact and all that. Made it all up in ableton, mixed it myself, and got an A+. My friend, who is not a musician, thought he could try to use one of the early proto-types of these music generators (I will not call them AI, they have no intelligence, they only copy and regurgitate) to get it done quick an easy. He got a barely passing grade. Nowadays he probably could've gotten a much higher grade, which is astounding. To me at the time I didn't realize that I had just done a turring test for music generators.

[@josueqb3843]

"I wrote a song using AI", that's probably the most delusional/annoying part of this. They really think they wrote those songs. It's this new wave of "AI artists".

[@xsleep1]

Maybe "produced" is a better verb for this.

[@driesvanoosten4417]

Watch Shadiversity defend his "AI artistry". It's embarassing.

[@John6-40]

Lol exactly. Fits perfectly with this generation of entitlement, though. LeBron wants to be the best without the resume, and with hand picked teams. Kids want their student loans forgiven. Free rides through life.

[@John6-40]

​@@xsleep1Nope. If you just typed words into an AI program, you didn't produce squat.

[@rameshwortandukar]

Exactly!

[@DrProgNerd]

The nail-in-the-coffin of my playing-out-days was standing on stage - looking out at the glowing faces of people who were staring at their phones instead of watching the band. For 90% of the people who consume music (not this group obviously) they're not even going to get through a whole song before scrolling to something else. Those people deserve the crap that AI is going to give them. I'm a recording/mixing hobbyist now. I spend hundreds of hours writing and mixing songs that no one will ever hear ....and I love it. It just feels good to be creative...audience or no audience.

[@good__enough]

I like your spirit ... or maybe I mean that I like your essence. Cheers.

[@TruthOnly2day]

Yes! Addiction to phones and other electronica is a REAL addiction. These people are f'ing ZOMBIES.

[@trakkaton]

YOU are the audience that matters.

[@JishinimaTidehoshi]

last concert I was people were posting/checking their instagrams on their phones instead of watching the show in front of 'em

[@wout123100]

yes agree, i play piano, only for myself now.

[@ramblyk1]

About ten years ago when I was looking for work, there were all these articles and advice about how creative industries were the industries of the future cause no way can machines match human creativity.

[@michaelhanson3989]

I'll tell you what I think. I think the minute that egregious auto tune use was everywhere was a big indicator. Auto tune was initially used to fix bad vocal notes for the most part. It was meant to fly under the radar to grab a moment from a great performance moment and save it by a very inconspicuous move. But for some ungodly reason, Producers everywhere took that and said "lets make it totally audible". That's where it got interesting. And really stupid. Every producer / artist in L.A. was trying to out-do the other guy and that's EXACTLY what'a already started here with A.I. So yes I totally agree... this is going to explode and put many great artists and composers out of business. It will ruin the ENTIRE creative music industry at the same time ... think of The Beatles. If they had A.I.? at that time, imagine them saying "well this is easy - lets write an LP". Now you have taken the human element away, and they would have had to have written based on OTHER ARTISTS. So no Beatles. They would have been a combination of the bands they wanted to mimic, the artists they loved. They would have sounded like a combination of Little Richard and Carl Perkins or something. So if that's the mentality that people want to embrace then God help the people of this new generation who expect to hear great original works from artists who are living geniuses in the making. God knows how many incredible artists that will never even try now to search their souls to create "I Am The Walrus". This will annihilate the art of making music. But nobody cares because of the bottom line. money. money comes before anything in the universe. Easier. Simpler. No brain activity needed? and a paycheck for doing it? And you're right Rick how the hell does anybody track this? Like the "intellectual property" and so on? They let a lion out of the cage and have no idea what will happen. Modern human behaviour never ceases to blow my mind. It's always a half-cocked race out of the gate for people with no sense of direction ( Monty Python ). Here comes the train wreck. We can either stop the train or get on it. My tiny part, just for my own sanity I'm going to do anything I can to stop it, for what it's worth. I hope there are like minded people out there.

[@dobieprime]

At 61 years old, I have worked in IT for almost 40 years. AI terrifies me. I am also a musician/songwriter. I work with people in my field who think that AI is amazing, wonderful, can't wait to use it fully in production. Why? It makes their work easier. This is what makes me cringe. I use Siri, I use Alexa. So, I guess I have to admit that I use AI even in those fledgling ways. But, now that I have heard that Apple wants to fully embrace AI in their upcoming OS, I am not sure if I will even upgrade. We already have students writing their thesis papers with AI. We already have "so called" songwriters writing their "music" with AI. Its at work in our daily lives in hospitals, government. Why are we so excited to give up our creative selves, to give up every ounce of self worth, every ounce of pain and memory that it takes sometimes to write something to just sit back and say to hell with it...AI...you just do it all for me? Why are we just dying to be lazy and lethargic? Why don't we want to work for anything anymore? Why are very smart people excited about it all and not even looking at the danger of it? I can think of so many sci-fi things that have warned us. And we forget that so many of those sci-fi things that we have seen over the years have actually come to be. But, no. We think we know better, don't we? We think we are smarter than what we create. This is a tragic step. I hate it.

[@philomelodia]

I am a lifelong massive sci-fi fan. I agree absolutely and wholeheartedly with everything in this comment. I can’t believe people are just rushing headlong into this and no one seems to be interested in applying the brakes. AI will be our undoing. I think we have outsmarted ourselves as a species this time. if it were just small, isolated devices, I wouldn’t worry so much. But, there are entire cloudbased AI’s now. That is a lot of power. They have access to massive amounts of information and massive amounts of computing power and they are learning more and getting better by leaps and bounds. It will not be long now before one of them makes the leap from the cyber world into the physical. Then, we will be in serious trouble. This is especially true if one of them develops a little thing called self-awareness and free will. Terrifying!

[@perroraton9515]

I also hate it. As a writer, I have honed my skill and nurtured my knowledge of the world over decades, expecting someday that would give the tools to become one of the greats. Now, any idiot can write a prompt lacking any grammar, context or meaning, and the algo will just mix its database and produce a novel within minutes, stealing from every human that suffered for their work, making something that's absolutely meaningless. These algos can't even understand what they produce. I don't think the cause of all this is the technology, though. The culprit is our global consumerist culture and the power we have allowed tech companies to hoard. We must resist, not consume this trash and demand for it to be banned. Turn our culture of hard work and merit against this worthless crap!

[@polarityrecords]

sad situation

[@JoeGator23]

@@perroraton9515 "These algos can't even understand what they produce.", you say? AGI, the generative kind that teaches itself, is already here and operative... just wait a year or two until it is perfected and rolled-out. Then we will be at war with our own machines, and likely lose.

[@paulgaudion8198]

Music is supposed to be a person making art. Call me old, old fashioned, but at 56 years of age, I grew up in the best pop music era I can think of. I play bass, guitar and keys for my own pleasure now. And will do so without EVER exploring AI.

[@opsa8782]

Heard this from a friend the other day: "AI was supposed to help us with the boring and unpleasant mundane tasks so that we have more time to be creative and compose music, draw, etc. but the first thing it took from us was art. So now AI draws and makes music and we will have to keep doing the unpleasant stuff". Alas, truer words have never been spoken.

[@Teirmz]

All in the interest of profit

[@AGW99-df3yg]

It didn't take art from anyone. Most people just never cared about art in the first place. The "artists" had a monopoly on it so everyone was forced to deal with them, and anything that made a profit was enough to be considered "art". Now the wheat is being separated from the chaffe.

[@koolmaaan]

Your friend sounds like a wise person. He is correct… it’s very sad

[@corybarnes2341]

It's a sad commentary on the state of art that the AI stuff I have heard is considered to be a replacement for it.

[@NVRAMboi]

"I never saw no miracle of science That didn't go from a blessing to a curse I never saw no military solution That didn't always end up as something worse" - Gordon Sumner / "If I Ever Lose My Faith In You"

[@dalemonroe1779]

Spot at the 6 minute mark! Great analysis Rick!

[@ericlaska4748]

Gotta love how the first sample AI track you played had a prompt that included "male vocalist" numerous times.

[@unstabledelusion]

Yeah the AI, makes a lot of mistakes in the process and sometimes creates a lot of bad audio or does not understand what you want. The person most likely faced those issues lol

[@Wowimhungry9]

Can’t wait for AI to tell another AI that” It needs more cowbell!!”

[@benporter6576]

just add that to the prompt!

[@FireyDeath4]

Last time I heard about that was in Asphalt Subconscious. Is that a meme or a reference to something?

[@tobytoxd]

🤣🤣🤣

[@FragginWagon76]

Layla needs to release an AI ear training course.

[@katgod]

I could not hear the problem but I am older like Rick, I asked my wife with better hearing at least for high frequency sound and she said it reminded her of auto tune, she is not an audio person so I think this was her best shot at trying to explain what she heard. I can hear stupid amounts of auto tune but in this case nothing.

[@raymota4515]

You can tell an AI, but you can't tell them much.

[@Okabim]

The best way I can describe it is: Go into an audio editor such as audacity, and stretch the duration of a sound file without affecting pitch. The computer has to make up audio to account for the time difference, which makes it sound robotic and low quality.

[@fwiffo]

In a year it'll be out of date. You'll have to train an AI to detect an AI.

[@EchoMountain47]

😂

[@watsontr]

In the early eighties, I remember being in a studio and it was the first time I came across the LinnDrum and the Fairlight. Initially, the use of the Linn sounded so mechanical and robotic to me but ten years later listening to it, very much less so. I still like some of the Fairlight sounds even though I’m told by people who ‘hear’ after reading specs that, “They’re only eight bit!” Of course implying how could they sound good?

[@katherineb.9445]

What scares me isn't that this will replace existing great musicians, but that it will discourage the potential great musicians of the future from becoming musicians in any professional capacity. I'm 25 and just finished a music degree from a respected program, and I'm optimistic that I'll do great things in my career, but had I been born a decade later, my 15 year old self hammering away at a Squire Strat in my bedroom might have seen this development and just gone into business instead. Gen-AI's biggest threat is well studied artists who can look at it and call it out for what it is. If we don't quash it early, there may not be many of us around in a generation who can point it out, and then dumbing down of society can proceed unhindered. Supporting live local music and music education has never been more important.

[@livef1fan473]

This will force artists to stop using autotune in order to stand out.

[@simonjonsson3654]

That would be great!

[@bpolatty]

this will force some "artists" to retire . . .

[@PimGeerts]

and then AI is going to mimic that as well... It terrifies me

[@FishMonger849]

I thought the same thing. Maybe a more “raw” aesthetic will emerge as a reaction to over produced stuff

[@JeremySteamsack]

@@FishMonger849my thoughts exactly!

[@glitchtimefail]

as a musician I think of what Tony soprano said once - "It's good to be in something from the ground floor, and I came too late for that, I know. But lately I've been getting a feeling that I came at the end. The best is over"

[@jansmitowiczauthor78]

This hits home hard as a novelist (and musician)

[@mikekennedy2965]

The "Best" was over by the 80's

[@polimistik]

This makes me mega sad. I really hope that not all is lost.

[@thesoundsmith]

Not at all. AI will make some great-sounding music, but a decent composer will still create worthwhile works. IT all comes down to MARKETING (which means NO human - that requires royalties - will be marketed when an AI writes for the cost of a kilowatt of power.

[@wingchunkungfuwins]

We figured that in the 90s when it started going downhill

[@DielsonSales]

The amazing thing is humans are extraordinarily good learning certain patterns. 2 years in and we can kinda tell when a text is written by standard ChatGPT, and if you see enough AI generated images you kinda learn the common patterns.

[@divinecomedian2]

Yep, same thing happens with CGI in movies. Going back just 10 years you can spot how obviously out of place that stuff is.

[@OperationDx1]

I've been working with this tool for awhile now. It's really good and almost everything created sounds like a hit.

[@rosspalumbo]

It’s the aliasing. You can hear the aliasing in AI music/vocals. It sounds like a slight time-stretch or bit reduction.

[@Onemanband410899]

This. 👆🏼

[@RickJohnson]

Does it happen at a frequency that only younger generations can hear?

[@CycleCalm]

@@RickJohnson Try listening to youtube at 0.75x speed and it will be a much more obvious version of the type of sound, maybe you can learn to pick up the more subtle one in the AI songs. The first human song in this video fooled me as being AI cause it also has a load of processing and garbled effect on the voice, although listening again it's more consistent and less 'juddery' to me than the AI.

[@kingfillins4117]

@@RickJohnson just try listen with feeling not hearing. It's a sort of wobble between the lines. It sounds/feels awful.

[@godless266]

Good term for the phenomena

[@HarryCollins99]

I am a photographer that photographs people. I post a lot of work on Flickr. There is now a lot of AI imagery on Flickr created by non-photographers of non-people. The images sometimes look pretty good, but they are slightly unrealistic. They have gotten noticeably better in the last year or so. Anyway, this is happening in all of the arts, not just music. I definitely feel your pain.

[@user-vs7ei7kw9i]

It's pathetic as AI was supposed to enhance life while we work on creativity and hobbies and now it's to keep us working and erase and silence and replace our human creativity. Clearly they want this for the masses. Gross. Seems this is all by design

[@TrevorDennis100]

Are you Harry Joseph Collins on flickr? I think you might be as that account has a bunch of music related pictures. I have been an Adobe Community Expert since 2009 and spend time on the Adobe forums every day, and we get a lot of posts on the subject of Ai. We get even more on the subject of Content Credentials, that drives people crazy! I have a theory about the dreadful job Ai is doing of faces. If it did better, and happened to render your face for someone else, and you saw your face on a, advert on a feck-off giant billboard, would there be legal consequences? They playing it super-safe kicking out even remotely salacious prompts with Firefly, so it is not a giant leap to think they are deliberately messing up faces. Hmmm... now where did I put my tin-foil hat? BTW I am me on flickr.

[@cjlamber]

I think historians are going to struggle with realistic photos of non events from the 21st century.

[@unom8]

​@@cjlamberYeah, we might get to some kind of temporary "this-is-not-generated" watermark, but that will inevitably get cracked, all images, even "historical images" are now suspect, unless you have it in a mass-produced book printed before 2020 or so.

[@mdhazeldine]

I'm a photographer too. I don't go on Flickr much, but on Instagram, there are increasing amounts of "AI influencers". While the programs have got very good at making people out of nothing, a lot of them still have a certain "look" to them, and I'm like "something's off about this person, and I don't know what it is, but I can tell it's AI". A lot of these AI people have a certain type of face that I'm seeing again and again. It's almost like it's creating an average face of a lot of humans it's been trained on.

[@DomMcD]

One thing to keep in mind when evaluating these AI songs is that (at least with Udio and Suno) you don't just input a prompt. You can usually use custom lyrics (possibly also ai-generated), and just recently Udio and Suno both added audio inputs (i.e. uploading your own audio files to extend/generate a song around).

[@dreamliver750]

That is frighteningly good! What a detriment to the craft... that's a genuinely good song...

[@junevertucci3420]

Going back to the bed and putting the covers over my head. 64 year-old songwriter here realizing it's time to retire. Truly disturbing.

[@NoDaysOff-oz2zl]

Don't believe the lies by the tech industry. Rick is way off here

[@phillystevesteak6982]

@@NoDaysOff-oz2zl care to elaborate?

[@rikk319]

@@NoDaysOff-oz2zl I think you underestimate the average banality and ignorance of people. If Rick was wrong, then progressive music would be the most popular, or acid jazz, or classical. Instead, the most popular music is the simplest, easiest, most insipid tripe. It always has been. Generative AI allows crap to be churned out at a ridiculous pace, and that's really all corporate wants...it means more profits.

[@Mossbotmusic]

@@NoDaysOff-oz2zl rick is usually way off lol

[@Mossbotmusic]

@@rikk319 if you and rick dont understand why that music isnt popular you genuinely dont understand music, people or culture

[@AndyRehfeldt]

I’m not going to stop creating music, ever.

[@iceman10129]

And we salute you for it Andy. Been a massive fan since Enter Sandman Jazz (crazy that was like 15 years ago) and no plans on stopping. AI or not.

[@spacecadet35]

When you perform in front an audience, record the session and then you can sell CDs and copies of the performance to people in the audience. They will pay knowing it is not AI generated and that they were there. And you get money for every CD/USB stick that you sell. Without having to go through a big company, you get to keep all of the profit. You probably know all of this anyway. Good luck in your career.

[@itsjusterthought7941]

Real human music does not have to stop. It will be a niche product that sits alongside a voice controlled AI media centre, where the listener creates expressive music by just asking for it without having to learn the skills.

[@Canteen926]

Nobody does it like you

[@jessecerasus9621]

Same.

[@jhandle4196]

I met a guy on a train trip. He had a small lap top, and I could see that he was editing a musical score, so that opened our conversation. He was an African-American jazz violinist/keyboardist who had been a child prodigy who claimed he had studied with Isaac Stern. Our conversation turned to electronic percussion vs. live drummers. I've despised programmed percussion since the first Rhythm Ace, and he had aversion to live drummers because they often allowed tempo to drift as well as, well, you know, just do what crazy drummers do sometimes. My point was excluding the talents of a Steve Gadd, or Billy Cobham was a mistake. I looked the guy up online when I got home; found some videos of him. He's quite good. The pieces I heard I'd classify as "elevator jazz." Off the top if my head, I don't remember his name. 'nuff said.

[@OliverLodgeMusic]

The more interesting angle is inputting your own audio and the AI is using sections of the song to create a new one and even using the voice tone of the original song. I was blown away that it came up with a better and more interesting melody than what I had done. Imagine when it's good enough being able to input your favourite bands song (say Queen) and have it output a brand new album with Freddies "vocals". Or when you will be able to fine tune exactly how you want the vocal to sound and can create your own rock star voice. It's coming and it wont be long until it's over financially for musicians and composers.

[@azcoyote007]

Most people aren’t making music anymore. They are making content.

[@okisoba]

There will be a big enough database of “content” that AI can pull from to make “content”

[@andybratt6022]

That was really well put. Wow. You are bang on.

[@sammisaywhat911]

@@okisoba There will never be enough content to make something unique. Ai is doomed

[@dhawa]

Well, music is content... A different terminology at a different time...

[@ericpircher]

Damn, that word gave me a wicked flashback. Back in the mid-90s, Australia was piloting broadband internet. The advanced early users prototyped lots of P2P services, but management got fixated on "content" e.g. IPTV. I despised the word ever since.

[@DougsterCanada1]

"...and the Grammy goes to Studio AI for their stellar hit love song, "I will find you!" sung by Liam N." [Canned applause]

[@BenjaminPhillips-ei6bp]

I'm all for it, as long as it's used by the fans and not labels

[@yeenar]

I envy the people who say "I don't care, I love to create music, it's the process I enjoy, AI can never take that away from me." I've been a musician for well over a decade, absolutely obsessed, life revolving around it. I'm still crushed by AI music because it means that my "thing" is automatable. Not for the financial ramifications (though that unsettles me too--if we're honest, many of us will admit that we still want to "make it" to some degree), but because it's what made me feel special, as corny as that sounds. It felt like I was tapped into some mystical beautiful thing, that art could only come from some deep, human source, that I was one of a select few who would always struggle in life but have that struggle be justified by a profound, unique connection to this font of creative energy that not everyone has access to. Now it's commodified, neutered, de-magicked, replicable, unremarkable, mundane, commonplace, trite. That's what bothers me. While the possibilities of AI-assisted mixing and instrumentation do excite me on some level, overall the debut of competent AI music has been a tremendous loss. It is a death. There will be new life, but what was is gone.

[@bismarckyjag]

Well said

[@Ilyak1986]

Mmmm...it reminds me of some Cycling Around Japan shows I watched--often, the cyclist talks with artisans that make things like knives, farm implements, etc. etc. Sure, there will be a market for the mass-produced, off-the-shelf, machine-made, one-size-fits-all stuff. But there's still a demand for the artisanal. Today, chess engines play chess better than any grandmaster can ever hope to. Yet people still are interested in various human chessmasters. It may very well be the case that humans are interested in other human works simply *because* they're artisanal, human-made works. SOME people might think your thing is automatable. But others might think that your thing is special specifically because it's YOU that makes it.

[@yeenar]

​@@Ilyak1986 I've heard that argument and I find it slightly comforting, but I think a better comparison is what happened with scribes, and the "sacred art" of writing. Like, mankind couldn't always write. It was invented some thousands of years ago. When that happened, the few people who could write, i.e. take a thought and transmute it into these strange scribbled shapes that could maintain that thought permanently through time, were thought of as almost shaman-like. They had this rare and unique ability. Not authorship, mind you-- just the very concept of a letter or a word was mind-boggling to the average person. Now, of course, reading and writing are so foundational to the most basic level of existing in society that it's unfathomable to us that there was ever a time where the very act of writing was relegated to some exclusive class of privileged, uniquely talented, esteemed individuals. I think that'll happen with music. It's going to become a foundational tool of communication the way writing has. It's going to be strange for the man of the future to hear the word "musician" the same way the word "scribe" is foreign to us. In a way, it's cool. Right now, in the moment, I feel sad about it. Could be wrong though.

[@nicpatonmedia]

In the 1950's we outsourced reproducing timbre to tape machines. In the 1960's we outsourced projection to amplifiers and location to reverb effects. In the 1970's we outsourced rhythm and pulse to electronic circuits. In the 1980's we outsourced drumming to drum machines and recall to digital discs. In the 1990's we outsourced being in tune to Autotune and recalling mixes to DAWs and computers. In the 2000's we outsourced field recording to sampler packages and creating strong performances to looping tech. In the 2010's we outsourced high performance orchestral, vocal and instrumental performance to sophisticated samplers. In the 2020's we outsourced musical performance, skill, accuracy, versatility and taste; This year we outsource composition and bypass the need for any meaningful human involvement in music making whatsoever. "Music is its own reward" - Neil Finn

[@zed4225]

Thats exactly it. Music is the language of God, it's a gift, this is such a sad road humanity has been dragged down by the minority.

[@strathman7501]

"In the year ninety-five ninety-five If man is still alive..."

[@muzishian]

Excellent summation of the ignorance of humanity- always finding an easier way to get to the end product. The problem is, by doing so, the product is no longer the result of human creativity. Human creativity is imperfect and flawed, that’s what makes it beautiful. AI will never be able to re-create human imperfection.

[@jkbck1]

Soon we will outsource ourselves.

[@mandolinic]

And yet there are still live musicians playing live music to live audiences. The technology to replace live players with black boxes has been around for over 100 years, and yet there are still live players playing live music to live audiences. I confidently predict that in another 100 years there will still be live players playing live music to live audiences.

[@P._Version]

Hey Rick. I'm a sound engineer and a couple of months ago a client brought me his background vocals made by AI. They were different "characters" male and female. Yet on all of them there was a frequency stood out in all of them that added up in the sum of all backgrounds and made it sound horrible. Your son is on to something. Incredible hearing that kid.

[@automachinehead]

give it two more years and not even cats can differentiate what's Ai and what's not

[@JacksonCarson]

I'm pretty sure I can hear it too. It's a weird phase in the midtones. You can kind of hear the "stitching" of the sound bits, etc. The metal example Rick played had the clearest of this. It freaked me out when I got actual chills listening to the harmony choices in the country tune. Chills to AI music? That was a first for me.

[@nuuukethewhales]

Former sound engineer, I've played around with some AI stem-track generators to pick apart songs that I want to analyze, and I'm wondering if there might be some overlap. The "demixers" will rebuild the stems based on what the different instruments "should" sound like, having been trained on various isolated tracks to build the AI model. I've noticed that if I restack the stems in my DAW, there is an over-excitedness that just builds up and makes everything harsh AF, but there's also seems to be a lot of detail missing around 1.6-5k. The breath, the throatiness, the spank, it'll all missing. A lot of detail goes on in that range that makes voices and instruments sound real. I'm wondering if the song generators are building their tracks in a similar fashion, creating individual tracks based on a model with a similar type of training. Dylan's right, give it more time and training and we won't tell the difference.

[@jevinday]

I'm very jealous because I don't hear it and I tend to think of myself as having pretty good pitch

[@semilog643]

@@automachinehead Give it two more years and the training sets will be so contaminated by AI output that the models will actually get worse.

[@dejantomic6033]

You're completely right. It will get better, unrecognizable. It is the beginning of the end for musicians unless something drastic happens. What? Nothing.

[@grb351]

The movie Idiocracy becomes more of a documentary as the years pass. This AI thing is both interesting and depressing at the same time. If everything can be done with prompts, what will humans be like in the near future? Untrained, unimaginative, uneducated, unskilled lumps that won't lift a finger?

[@trafyknits9222]

Rick, you briefly touched on a very important aspect of this trend: Over the last decade (or more), human voices have been so processed, so manipulated, so quantized, that producers have trained our ears to accept what sounds like computer-generated music. Now, computers are trying to emulate voices/instruments, so our ears are already accepting of it. Auto-tune is horrible, but everywhere. AI music is the aural equivalent of "plant-based meat".

[@ArjunAJ-nw7rl]

Exactly 💯

[@CarAudioEnthusiasts]

while I totally agree with you, i must say ALL meat is plant based...sorry couldn't resist.

[@slyslaughter5115]

BINGO

[@themicrobusinessrenegadepo6338]

Plant based meat did happen...but I think what has actually happened is people stopped trying to make vegetables taste like meat and made more tasty and interesting vegetable only meals....this will also happen with music.

[@herrpez]

​@@themicrobusinessrenegadepo6338You are so wrong. 😂 They're still trying to push plant based meat as hard as ever.

[@anthonycrudo2909]

I have to confess. I tossed on Neil Young Live Rust and cranked it up on Powderfinger. Terrible singer, instruments barely in tune, no idea tempo, total garage jamming - and I got chills and a few tears came to my eyes. It’s been a long time since recorded music hit me like that. I miss that sound in my life.

[@ridgerunner4943]

AI will never replace, nor even come close, to Neil Young.

[@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS]

EPIC. I understand! AI will make humans seem very deep and gritty and interesting. At least in the near-term. Let it kill off all the mainstream tripe.

[@MarioRafaelAmadoAlves]

AI will be able to reproduce those live human conditions too. Just wait six months.

[@jonsible]

They still have this and it's called "Your regional music scene". People your age who like things you do *also* can be musicians.

[@jamespardue3055]

Thank you. Perfect response.

[@savvydirtfarmer]

One of the things that draws me to a certain song, isn't just the song, it's the artist. A long time country music lover, I can't imagine singing along with "Chattahoochee" on the radio without picturing Alan Jackson as I sing. It's not just the song... it's the singer.

[@Kyrelel]

Yes, and they said the same thing about synthesizers, and sampling, and DAWs, and ...

[@ED-wj5tp]

Like when Michael Jackson would say leave the breaths in, I want to hear the human parts whether they be slightly out of time or tune. It’s what makes music real.

[@SOMEHANDSOME]

AI: 'taking notes"

[@Sam-me5pl]

They do that too, it's often edited out of songs using basic algorithms now it's going to be a lot easier

[@JonJubal]

AI simulates breaths. As part of the insights in the song, when you voice swap a track, it tells you how many breaths were detected.

[@TomJacobW]

Ironic; music has been more and more cleanly-shaven and overproduced, Autotune and all. We are all acoustically used to it. This squeaky-clean product is much easier to also algorithmically imitate. It’s almost as if we made it easy to screw ourselves over.

[@charlienyc1]

​@@TomJacobWLuckily the bulk of this only applies to pop/mainstream music.

[@vic12950]

For the first time, Im happy to be 75. Why, you ask? Because I was fortunate enough to live through a time where great music was composed by genius’s of my time. May I say, Lennon, Dylan, Page, at the very least? Im so sorry for my great grandchildren musical future. But I have left my playlist and encourage them to listen always. Long Live Rock n Roll! 😊

[@brianloy7856]

Yes, I feel we enjoyed the golden age of music…along with many other things including our Constitutional Rights and those days are long gone!

[@dennistaylor5924]

I agree with you (I’m a little younger) but I am afraid that the days of talented musicians is over. We will no longer get back what we have lost.

[@jamesthomas1244]

why?

[@eyemduckk]

I'm 72..and my kids bought the a t-shirt that says.."I may be old but I got to see ALL the good bands" and it's truer now than ever

[@ricoshea2]

I am 61 and I believe that if you are between the ages of 70 and 85, you may have lived - and more importantly been at your very best - at the pinnical of human times. That is if you avoided Vietnam. Everybody enjoy the long slide down.

[@jonhamlinprophet6606]

This is why the live, intimate, real and genuine experience is crucial to develop for bands/performers..

[@electronraygun6346]

"We wrote a song using AI" I can't begin to unpack all that's wrong with that statement.

[@SAagreedSA]

I was born in the late '80s, loved technology all my life, first gen to grow up on the internet, in one year the assault tech is making on creative workers has turned me off of looking forward to the future and realizing that no, we're actually going to see some of the most dystopian predictions come to pass, because this tech is all in the hands of sociopathic, predatory companies with no vision for anything but the next fiscal quarter. I am so disappointed that somehow all the potential came to fucking this.

[@slyslaughter5115]

Sad, very very dispiriting.

[@randykalish7558]

That potential is not all. The thing perished from use. The value of realization is much greater than the realization of value.

[@Tom-hk6ub]

It's always actually been about money. If J.S.Bach didn't write something new for the priest every week or if the priest didn't like what he'd wriiten the week before he would've got the sack ...... If The Beatles stopped writing hit songs then the record company would've dropped them .....

[@OutLanderUSN]

@@Tom-hk6ub While you're not wrong, the problem is that it's taking the human element out of it entirely. We should force record labels and streaming platforms to prominently disclose when something is AI generated.

[@jooohan]

“We will do it just because we can”. Almost any book, movie or theater play that has people in it.

[@jdc4483]

The reason we (At least today) recognize AI is that it sounds as "tinny" fake as the auto-tune stuff that's coming out of the major music labels. The voices are already so manufactured that *no one* sounds natural.

[@sidalientv]

NAILED! I discovered your comment after I wrote mine, in which I say more or less the same......

[@TrueClearMedia]

I describe the sound of ai as having a metallic overtone. But i think we are talking about the same thing.

[@rob_patrick1]

I doubt the general public cares or even notices the difference..

[@rachelrrb1111]

That can‘t be a problem for AI. Even conventional synthesizers use things like „random pitch“ to make things sound more natural and not too perfect.

[@cedleonard123]

garbage in, garbage out...

[@DeFineAl]

WoW I really like this!

[@dominiccobb6470]

great lighting btw

[@Galactivators]

Live performances, improv, and authenticity are going to be what will make a musician stand out

[@Helidon78]

Live music is dying a slow death even over the last 30 years with pokies and djs, drum machines and computer simulations well and truly making it impossible to earn a dollar and the drive to improve and work towards these things can't be overlooked. I feel like crying when I think about it. Playing and discovering with others is truly a wonderful thing. Imagine the lone drummer in the jungle never hearing a real response or no one smiling with joy at that improv from the depths of someone's soul. Please NO!!

[@metaphoria3]

Nah god given songs will

[@JonadanandtheFreaks]

IA can improve. Not even IA. Only with Ableton, you put the BPM, the key, ... And LETS GO

[@wout123100]

ai will be able to do that even too, eventually.

[@BlseMetan-mn3pi]

I heard this before, back when MP3's and Napster came out... they said the same, live music and concerts... that is until the AI robots start walking among us.

[@funforalgernon]

That Jacob Collier gag is one of the most brutal takedowns in the history of the channel! 😂

[@fayesouthall6604]

😂😂😂😂

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

What do you mean gag?😂

[@fpgam3r765]

lmaoo facts bro i believed him

[@mikeryan2454]

“If you want to sound like a computer…

[@artistaccount]

Even Rick know Jacob is trash 😂

[@mikedonaldson8898]

I have a Suno account and mess around in there once in a while, and I agree. Currently, there is something about the voices. A airy or hissing or flat sound. It's hard to explain. I've tried listen to Suno top songs and after a while it all gets tiring to my ear and I have to turn it off. With that said, I'm sure it's only going to get better and in the near future you'll never now the difference.

[@andrefelixstudio2833]

I’m so happy that I have a collection of music from the 60s 70s and 80s that I can listen to so I never have to listen to any new garbage

[@GreyGardensGold]

I pick up tons of old movies and records at yard sales for free.

[@RikHeijmen]

"You got baggage, I got room" is a beautiful line as well

[@imabebebebe2496]

AI knows how cringe humans are

[@giasone777]

You can keep your baggage, I don't want it.

[@estherlavergne6970]

thank u

[@andrewvanness2101]

Sung by a woman who wants to “fix” someone. This AI hasn’t dealt with its own issues, until the troubles begin.

[@FrostyDufour]

Probably plagiarized from a human. AI plagiarized whole paragraphs from the NYT, so why not steal from songwriters too ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@nokkturnaldev]

The scary part isn't how it sounds now, it is a brand new technology. The scary part is how quickly it will develop and improve. Give it a few years and it will be incredibly hard to tell them apart from the real thing.

[@MachineGunJelly584]

Exactly what I’ve been saying! It’s easy to laugh at how bad some of the AI creations are, but to think how fast they have gotten better! We are still at the beginning of AI use in arts. But still it has developed faster than almost anything IT-/computer related technology ever. We used to measure technology development in years, but with AI it’s in months…

[@Jstenger2485]

The best way to describe it is a “garbled” echo in the background…like from the early days of mp3 and the audio quality wasn’t quite good enough

[@gil3green]

Wow, it is better than most music out now! Interesting to see how this plays out. Nothing beats real instruments, imperfections, tempo changes real music gives you. Not yet anyway.

[@danieljohnpeters]

Support your artists, big or small. This is the time to show your support, a like, a comment, merch, live shows...do what you can to support artists

[@rodmandealerman3297]

Fantastic comment. It should have 2K upvotes and 1 down (courtesy of AI 🤪).

[@gclip9883]

Personally, i will boycott any art or music that is AI generated. I don't care. If it is AI, i will just not listen to it or spend any money to see it.

[@michelledawnharpist]

@@gclip9883yes same - i think maybe for idea generation for certain things (like blog post ideas or marketing tools) it could be useful, but not art. And I think that because I know art in any medium isn’t just intelligence, it’s a whole lot more. I hope they have some sort of legal requirement to state whether a piece of music or art is AI or not as the technology advances and it might be harder to tell.

[@alienskinmusic]

agree!

[@Mute67]

Until you realize that the supported artist is AI...

[@505Hockey]

This is why it's so important for people to get involved in making music themselves; they need to connect with that part of their humanity. As a school music teacher, I hope people continue to see the value in kids singing and playing instruments rather than simply being consumers.

[@cynthiak3376]

June 21st is MAKE MUSIC DAY! As a flesh and blood gen-u-ine human being musician type creature - Grab your axe! sing, play, make HUMAN music that real flesh and blood can hear, dance clap or just be human to! 🎶

[@egosystem9959]

Where are there school music teachers? I thought they did away with that years ago. That has been my explanation for why new music on the radio is so bad...

[@thomastimlin1724]

Retired school music teacher...I 2nd that thought in CAPS!!! OKay, like a cymbol crash!!! You can also thank the way muisc funded as an after thought by school boards and states school nudgets and requirements...you'll also never see a weed growing in a football stadium.

[@fixedguitar47]

In the 90’s it was 10 original bands to 1 cover band Now it’s 10 cover bands to 1 original band (Probably WAY more but that’s not my point) Soon it will be 100 synthetic songs to 1 authentic song. It’s dead, let’s have the decency to accept that.

[@michaelberger6341]

With AI, "real" music might go back to where it came from: To people making music, alone or together, for their own pleasure or as a social (inter-)action ... But it will be harder to make good money as a musician. I guess there will still be live concerts but on platforms like KZbin or Spotify most will be replaced by AI. Because its cheaper and as background music it is good enough for most listeners. I think it will be the same with so many aspects of human skills or knowlegde. AI will be able to do/know it better then most people. That's why I tell my children, that knowledge and skills have a value in itself. Maybe, AI is even a chance to free learning from the need to be economical.

[@marcphillips1120]

Looking at the prompt line, I think a new opportunity will be there for the ones who compile and interpret feelings into descriptors. formula finders.

[@MotifMusicStudios]

HUGE ponders here.

[@ByronAgain]

"Welcome to the club." Say the photographers, illustrators, writers and researchers.

[@abc-df1vg]

Coming to join the club soon...film crews and actors.

[@bobbyboyderecords]

Next the filmmakers, then the video game makers. Then robots, then every job. Then we can all relax and start a band

[@bleepblabloop]

@@abc-df1vg absolutely correct

[@jip5889]

One thing musicians have that those art forms don’t is the live performance. No AI program can do a live show with a band.

[@richardhowland-bb9sy]

Can't change it, can't stop it. Good to remember, that people still ride horses and those who like to watch people ride and take a trip out in the country to soak up the "old ways" do.

[@stevegirard-voiceaudiopodcasts]

Rick… I’ve been a VO guy for nearly 40 years, my bread and butter being corporate training courses, instructional videos and HR tutorials for new hires. I thought I could make it to 70 yrs old while still working in the studio. Ai came too quickly, and I‘ve now lost a couple of clients I’ve worked with for 30 years… that just called and said “bye”, we’ve been told by corporate that Ai is “good enough now” that they can stop paying VO people. Those 2 contracts were worth around 50k. I have not been able to find a way to replace that income, and I’m freakin’ hurting! Same goes for my friends & colleagues who work in fashion/commercial photography/videography. These greedy companies no longer need a model, a shooter, grips, lighting, wardrobe help, location scouts, and more… all because Ai can create a more realistic human image than ever before. When we allow computers to supplant us as creators of art, who do we become??

[@ralphfurley4217]

Sorry about your lost income. A.I. came fast and furious. I've spent 4 decades writing and performing music. Made my living at it for 5 years. A.I. music will replace human music in less than 2 years in my opinion. Millions of songs will be released a year, month, week or per day. It's scary. I've watched a lot of A.I. VO KZbin videos and it's scary how good it is. A.I. music will be just as good soon. Millions will be put out of work in hundreds of fields in the very near future. Strange times indeed.

[@fritzb.3978]

Hey Man. I’m soo sorry. I work as a producer in film and video - mostly commercials. Our world is falling apart too but for what reasons I don’t know. But back to you. It just kills me. I’d never dream of using AI for VO (Cheesy) and I feel I can tell all of the AI vo out there, but when the client won't pay we are stuck. All of the MBAs just want to lower costs and pump out volume - in everything and now advertising. Then they keep the money/savings. Totally broken and ultimately no respect for the artist. Do you know what this kind of says? It used to be that advertisers wanted and needed good art to sell their products. Now they don't. To me, especially when they say "AI is good enough" it means that the advertisers don't respect the customers. It's like saying that the dishes in a restaurant are clean enough, the meat is cooked close enough to done, etc. Thank you for sharing. I think it’s a warning to the rest if us that slowly real creative jobs are going now that life is virtual. Very best.

[@mkatepaski9947]

​@@fritzb.3978I've also heard writers about 6 months ago saying they were really scared about this. These are strange times.

[@CrniWuk]

The thing that I am seriously asking my self here though is, how the technology will "progress" when there are less and less human creators out there actually making high quality content. There are countless of professionals out there making really good content, be it with music, writing/texting or visual art. And it takes a lot of work. And someone has to get paid for it. But, if no one pays anymore for it, using algorithms to get it all, for alike a nickel or almost free, from where will the algorithm get "new" content to learn from? As of right now, those AI models require an insane amount of data to even work somewhat decently. But with more ai content being on the net and with less human content to scrape from ... what will those models do in the future? It will all become a copy from a copy from another copy and another mix and that's it. As impressive as those algorithms are, in some situations, they can not create truly content on their own. That is a very hard technical limitation and there is no real work around on that.

[@MichaelMassie]

I’m an indie publisher and I tested KDP’s AI tool on my reader audience. They absolutely hated it. I thought they might, but the intensity of the negative feedback surprised me.

[@LoFiChillandBeatsVibe]

For me, the Suno songs are easier to recognize the AI vocals on (for now), but the Udio vocals are a bit harder. It's a bit harder still when you're using a mic to play the song for us for this video, instead of us listening directly from the computer, like your kids are doing, but you definitely hit the nail on the head, that it's only going to get better & better, and soon, very few people will be able to recognize an AI generated track & vocals.

[@joeg2389]

"Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator." George Orwell, 1984

[@Dr3amDisturb3r]

The fact we're left with such impressions from AI just confirms most of the music we have online is so generic even AI can do it better. Just another motivation to strive for originality.

[@moongloomable]

So true, they spent years sounding like robots and are now shocked people can't tell the difference.

[@TomatoFettuccini]

Here's the thing: AI responds to prompts, so eventually it will be less of an issue of genericism and more of an issue of how to get the right prompts. This is in fact the case right now; expert AI users are essentially very good prompt writers. Someone may not have the necessary musical ability (can't play the guitar or sing that well, but can envision the chord progression and melodies) but they know how to write a prompt to elicit the desired response. Until now, the main issue with AI generated content has been a combination of improperly rendering material based on the prompt as well as poor prompting. A good example of this is the Will Smith Eating Noodles video. That video is a year old now. In that time, AI has progressed massively to the point where it can properly render a human using chopsticks to eat noodles and it looks not just realistic, but REAL. The issue Rick is bringing up isn't the lack of originality in composition (although will likely be an issue - it always has been, though), but rather how real it looks/sounds to us. Right now it's at a point where we can *just* tell; 6 months from now, we won't be able to anymore, and the limiting factor will then be how good of a prompt writer you are, not your musical ability. This is what Rick is saying: When AI can generate original songs that sound exactly like the original musician (in this case, the singer), what happens to singers? This is the entire thrust of the video: AI is coming for literally EVERYONE's jobs, and no one is safe, not even entertainers. If AI replaces human creativity and expression, and robots replace the need for human physicality, what need will the rich have for the uneducated, penniless masses? And more to the immediate point: it's just another arena that humans will get pushed out of, which makes it harder on everyone because now, there's another field humans can't compete in, and the irony is that it is what has been traditionally upheld as the last bastion of human expression. I'm quoting another user who is quoting someone else, but this is the most on-the-nose statement about AI: "AI was supposed to help us with the boring and unpleasant mundane tasks so that we have more time to be creative and compose music, draw, etc. but the first thing it took from us was art. So now AI draws and makes music and we will have to keep doing the unpleasant stuff". Join a union.

[@daviddunkin7454]

Time to throw out the metronome and only listen to Hendrix for inspiration…

[@mconnors1733]

Within 10 years you'll be able to ask for an AI song that's 60% Dire Straits, 20% Chet Atkins, 10% Albert Lee, and 10% Bob Dylan + a clever song title and subject. The end result will be amazing, but if it's not perfect you can record any little fixes in a kind of scratch track and ask the AI to rework it with your edits.

[@monstersaint]

I agree. Top forty music is such sheit, really lacking in the creative department. Particularly in the drumming.

[@RobGamesNZ]

The beauty of it is, as a musician, I make music for myself, I enjoy the process and satisfaction of creating what I like. If other people like it, thats a bonus. AI may create a destination, but will never replace the journey.

[@Hogboy345]

This 😊

[@EchoMountain47]

Beautifully said. I feel the same

[@sammisaywhat911]

yes

[@aalok2423]

can i hear some

[@oceanwoe]

Love this. F*ck AI.

[@medviation]

Time to listen to live performers with acoustic instruments in person again.

[@parlorseries4864]

ha! Well I'm definitely giving you a thumbs up for that; interesting that other than that, it's crickets

[@kevinlangner8342]

It's the overdub on the vocals that gives it away, I think. Sounds as though it's an alternating series of 3 or 4 chorus and 3 or 4 pitch bender pedals. Not many artists go for that sound. Maybe several dubs on vocals in some spots - one of my good friends did that on alot of his early work and it was a good fit but hard to recreate live without a backup track

[@rjgreen71]

What makes great music is the natural nature of the musician: the mistakes, the break in the voice as it hits the high notes and the accidental feedback of a guitar. The best recorded music is often that which is recorded live or as live. We crave the humanity of it because we are human not bloody robots!

[@morrisalanisette9067]

exactly, music is so over produced nowadays that it doesnt even register as music to my ears. Just sounds like production. whats sad is when i heard raw recordings of modern pop music, it actually sounds good to me, and makes me realize there's a lot of music that i would enjoy if it wasn't over produced. I think they ruined music

[@SirGalahadThePure]

Unfortunately, to the masses, none of this matters anymore. People are getting lazier in every aspect of life. I can't imagine another "Bohemian Rhapsody" coming along any time soon.

[@DeeKeyLP]

i want to agree with you but if you look at ehat most people listen to, you'll realise how easily it is made by AI.

[@therealrussellsmyth]

All of which will be replicable by AI in time. Also the human element point isn’t always true for much of electronic genres

[@BloodyYTNamingNonsense]

What a load of nonsense.

[@brianpateman2666]

As an old old (now retired) engineer, I spent much of my career trying to persuade people that "Just because the technology exists, you don't have to use it."

[@tinaburdo7739]

You're a class act, @brianpateman2666

[@travisyee7278]

Well, what technology? Where do you draw the arbitrary line Brian? No, don't use computers to edit songs because it's way too easy. Yes, you can only edit by manually splicing tape, this is clearly the better way to do things, right? Or wait, maybe it's just the use of electricity at all? Or are you referring to quantization? Tuning vocals? Wherever the line is, it's probably arbitrary, and you're probably a dino.

[@millenniummastering]

They can hear the FFT spectral artefacts and particularly the pre-ringing. Basically look up pre-ringing.

[@betweentwomillennium5057]

Back in 1977 while in a electronics engineering school I figured out how to make motion picture holograms. Now I can go to a concert with thousands of other people and we all see a different band on stage and we all hear different music at the same time.

[@tronstoner]

Music industry got so obsessed by monetizing recorded music that everyone forgot what music was in the first place: An interactive performance of shared human cultural experience. This form of music will always exist and AI will not replace it anytime soon. The same as it will not replace other art, only the digitally reproducible product, not the work and the performance of the art itself. AI as it's currently done is only good enough to create rather generic unoriginal permutations of stuff that already has been done hundreds of times before. It can only imitate human interaction but it will not be able to perform human interaction unless we give it a sensory body. Which might happen one day, but then I'd think monetizing robots on doing actual useful stuff, like household chores, medical applications etc. might be worth a lot more and once the novelty wears off the human error will be praised again.

[@pickles224]

Totally. I feel the music industry will reject AI due to its lack of personality and promoting power. Music isn’t just music, it’s the people making the music too. Music publications like Pitchfork & Billboard won’t allow AI-created-content.

[@LoneStarRKW]

Dream on. It's coming.

[@Crapgramp]

Sorry, but its clear that this is the beginning of the end of whatever human conduit previously dictated the creation of art. Ironically, we as humans brought this upon ourselves due to blind greed. This is a fascinating paradox, where humanity is bringing an end to humanity. You can't stop that, so long as humans keep being human.

[@loudspider316]

I spent some time with Udio when it first came out, and actually turned out a handful of tracks that I ended up really liking. In fact, to the point where I found I was listening to those almost more often than other stuff. And it reminded me of something someone said a little while ago: If people are saying they are lonely now wait until everyone has their own music generated specifically for them that no-one else knows, and the common language of shared music disappears. Strange times.

[@CrappyProducts]

But isn't one of the best pleasures to share music with someone and seeing it growing on them? Going to a gig with a friend and both feeling the same energy?

[@loudspider316]

@@CrappyProducts Indeed it is. I guess the AI approach means that the days of saying "did you hear that new x track" after hearing it on the radio etc are gone, since unless you specifically tell people about it no-one will ever hear it.

[@rob_fabre]

I don’t think musicians will disappear, the emotional connection of a live show will prevail. If anything in the future there will be less competition and I believe people will search for a genuine experience that can only be delivered live. Spotify already pays artists near to nothing, we need to deliver impactful experiences that cannot be replaced by Ai

[@jacoba5695]

See, maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I keep coming back to this inner belief or trust that, ultimately, art is an inherently human expression. Content and entertainment is an entirely different thing, and AI will certainly monopolize on that. But I believe there will always be a segment of music and art lovers who value a piece of music or painting because they know a fellow human being poured their soul into it. For example, if someone is going through a break up, I can’t help but think that most people would gravitate towards a song written by a human who went through the same experience, thus making the painful experience a shared one. On that level, the utility and value of AI music/art will ring hollow..

[@tezzo55]

🤯

[@isaackarns385]

It's wild that these companies have been able to essentially steal every piece of art ever created to do "research"...in my opinion every one of these companies need to be completely owned by the public since they've all been trained on stolen intellectual property

[@jabeztadesse]

I hear it too, it sounds like it has not been compressed properly!

[@navsh]

I think what your son is hearing, is that the vocal segment sounds like it was sampled with a very low sample rate... Which has a unique acoustic quality to it. It's as if the vocals are recorded on an AM radio...

[@memorycorpband]

Sometimes sounds a bit like additive synthesis artifacts, or FFT plugins that can cut out frequencies very precisely like ReaFir

[@j0pj0p]

Yep, this is it. I can hear it.

[@vigilancebrandon3888]

Yes! This describes it well

[@TennesseeSoundwaves]

It's the difference between a high quality compressed digital audio format and an mp3 from 1997.

[@danieljones8706]

All Ai generated music tends to have that mushy audio quality because its not generating individual tracks, its generating a whole audio segment at once. That's where the artifacts come from. If you look at Ai-drive software like SynthV, the vocals can sound much more realistic because they are isolated and clean. More importantly, it gives you control over the notes and how they are sung. So I can basically dictate to the Ai how I want it sung and it will do it. That's where Ai is headed IMO. More tools.

[@WeepingLikeAWillow]

My daughter is talented, hard-working, and brilliantly creative, with the soul of an artist. She's wanted to pursue fine arts as a career since she was a small child. She's received nothing but encouragement from teachers and mentors and even some patrons. Now that the time has come to decide what to do after highschool, though, she sees no viable future for herself in art. She'll still create art, but her post-secondary studies and career won't really be in an artistic field. My heart really goes out to our world's artists, whether they be visual artists, musicians/ composers/producers, dancers, poets/writers, performance artists or others. Given the consistent and prominent role of artists in social change, protest, and revolution, I worry about the vacuum left in their wake.

[@3rdEyeWide]

It's an interesting conversation. The commodification of art is fairly a recent invention. Mick Jagger said musicians like himself making any substantial amount of money at all has been the exception throughout history and he didn't think that trend would last. Most painters only gained significant (and monetary value) attached to their work posthumously. Technology drives alot of artistic trends. One of the significant hurdles to making commercially viable music was the cost in regards to production, distribution and promotion. Now anyone with a decent computer and audio interface has more production capabilities than the Beatles did even in their heyday, and they can easily distribute and promote their material digitally. The more rare an item (which commercia/professional music was due to the financial barriers of entry), the greater the value. It can be a double-edged sword. Some people may lose the ability to make a living as a musician, but the ability to create and produce music (and express themselves artistically) expands in the general populace.

[@thejawshop-AdventureRecording]

@@3rdEyeWide Interesting analysis, with some agreement. The one thing I would add is; as expression expands or widens, the attention span narrows.The Beatles played 4 shows a day, and then they set their trap lines in Abbey Road. We can have all this gear available, with too many options and repair kits to potentially squash creativity. Mick's words have always made me reference the value of a good kitchen party.

[@Prod-23]

She should still go for it. There will be a backlash. All I've heard for the last 2 years is AI is going to take my programming job. It won't. It'll make me a more productive software engineer. It'll mean all that nice to have stuff in my ever increasing pipeline now has a chance to get done. The same will happen with Art and AI. I used to own and run a recording studio and have been a photographer. People will still want o see real things and real photos and buy art created by people. If anything it might even make the stuff made by people worth more in the long run.

[@MattTalksPhotography]

I run a gallery that sells real photographic prints. People value the story and the authenticity. Art is not dead, and those that will go for this AI stuff are those that least valued art in the first place.

[@Prod-23]

@@MattTalksPhotography Exactly.

[@user-zh9vs4jq2u]

Sickening, I'm glad that in 2024 my future is behind me.

[@RickyGarcia_Learning]

I see a lot of this stuff being great for internal business stuff like training and sales material and public speaking. It beats the heck out of something bland but not quite up there or the general public.