PHRYGIAN VS PHRYGIAN DOMINANT

[@fonesrphunny7242]

I never understood these modes, because nobody showed me a damn neck diagram with the scale on it. While you were talking, I found a few diagrams online and immediately recognized both scales. Those were the very first scales I memorized 20 years ago, after jumping right into 2000s metal.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey, man! A lot of the metal in the 2000s used the phrygian dominant mode - I kind of deliberately avoid showing neck diagrams, because I find it a tad distracting from the purpose of listening to the notes that make up the mode. The visual factor helps a lot, I totally agree, but it's like a sort of a double edged sword... It's easy to get tangled in just watching and forgetting to maintain the focus on the listening as well. Happy to hear you reconnected with the mode!

[@fonesrphunny7242]

@@CosminLupuMMGG Diagrams make learning guitar much more approachable. I know some music speak, but I'm not fluent enough with it to find notes and figure out intervals on the fly. If you give me a list of notes, as in this video, it tells me very little at first. If you show me a diagram at the same time, I can immediately recognize the shape and intervals, making comparisons to similar scales I already know. Next time you put up a scale as text, consider putting a diagram next to it. Just has to be in 1 or 2 positions. Makes it easier to follow for a few of us. Also, we can just look at the diagram, pick up the guitar and try the scale immediately.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@fonesrphunny7242 I hear you and I will do it, if it helps and I'm sure there are others that will find it useful! Thanks for the input - it helps tremendously to know what you folks need and find useful so that I may put it up here!

[@SamBrockmann]

You couldn't look it up? Do you not know the notes of the fretboard? You needed someone else to do the work for you?! 😂 I swear only guitar players are this lazy and arrogant. "I DIDN'T GET IT, BECAUSE I WAS TOO LAZY [to learn the basics of my own instrument]!"

[@jesseslade-j1v]

@@SamBrockmannwho’s the one sounding arrogant besides you?

[@timotheesoriano]

Another way to find / see the derivatives tonalities: For the Phrygian, we shall know it's the third mode (so E Phrygian relates to C major). So if you're in D Phrygian (so D is one step below E), it's going to relate to C down a step, so Bb. For the Phrygian dominant, if we just keep in mind that it is related to the minor harmonic scale, then we get G minor being the relative minor scale of Bb for which we have taken the harmonic version. So D Phrygian relates to Bb, but also to Gm and so D dominant Phrygian relates to Gm as well but in its harmonic version. They are both related to Gm.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thanks for the analysis! I usually like to use the derivative approach for understanding modal chord progressions and the parallel approach in respect to becoming able to discriminate between the sound of each mode. I have met a lot of people who use the derivative approach in all that regards modes and tend to want to relate to any mode as it is its mother scale which does not help in understanding those differences one bit. Still, I think it's an exploratory endeavour and being able to listen and tell the differences by picking up on the sounds of each mode is the way to go. Keep rocking!!

[@5-Volt]

As a huge fan of prog & flamenco these are probably my 2 favorite modes.

[@M2Mil7er]

Sir, I believe you are now ready for double harmonic major.

[@JariSatta]

@@M2Mil7er Or double harmonic, aka Phrygian Natural 7 Phrygian chord for you. Esus4(add b9) or 023200

[@DannyHood-j]

Flamenco is a ‘mode’ I never heard? Although Flamenco ‘technique’ would be necessary YES! ‘MODERN GUITAR’ today’s standards. Flatpickers like Slash, and Marty Friedman are now considered ‘ intermediate guitarist. Slosh is intermediate who is limited by technique ‘flatpicker’. Guitarist do NOT want to be limited by technique. Haha LMAO!

[@5-Volt]

@DannyHood-j Phrygian dominant is the mode flamenco usually uses. Well kinda.. they also add the minor 3rd a lot of the time.

[@yaxiongzhang5031]

I like phrygian dominant plus major 7 note (like harmonic minor), so there would be 2 minor third intervals in the scale, create even more tension, sound even more sick!

[@jonaszdobrzynski6243]

This solo rocks. It reminds me of Marty Friedman and Yngwie Malmsteen.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thanks for the kind thoughts, man! I’m honoured!

[@Droviderion]

The experience that comes from meeting something you don't know for the first time and that feeling of alienation is Rare (cause you can't unseen) and undervalued.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey there! Are you referring to these modes in particular?

[@TheWhitmore]

I think the Phrygian has a nuanced sound, whereas the Phrygian Dominant sounds a little more bold. I don't really think one sounds better than the other.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

I do agree - it's a matter of highlighting differences and understanding what one wants to use and why. Thank you for the thought!

[@canadiancombatwombatthe3rd782]

Phrygian sounds like Holdsworth, Phrygian Dominant sounds like Holdsworth went to Egypt.

[@oyora]

Great overview 👍 I have a question. Have you tried phrygian dominant while borrowing flat fifth and sharp seventh? does this have any name? I usually think about it as 1 b2 3 4 are the core notes of it. 5 and 7 can move closer the the core to create a new flavor. sorry my music theory is really flaky. it's hard for me to explain it clearly 😅

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Never tried this one, but I ll definitely give it a spin in the morning when I grab the 🎸 There are so many modes out there and so little time 😅

[@pedrovareladecarvalho7891]

Persian Scale

[@williamcompitello2302]

Are there ANY videos on that scale that's more than showing the notes?

[@oyora]

@@williamcompitello2302 I use it a lot but I can't say I know what I'm doing xD It's kinda like a mix of phrygian dominant and double harmonic major(I think that's where I'm getting the sharp 7 from). The unfortunate part is that it's mostly used as a "vibe" in "sahara arabic, persian desert" movie like music. so most of the stuff you see on youtube are going up and down the notes. I think you can find some Opeth solos that use it but I can't think of anything from top of my head.

[@doubled5383]

Cosmin is only an insane guitarist, educator, martial artist and polyglot? He needs to work on more skills!! Just kidding he is insanely talented. OMG. Glad I found this channel. Super helpful. I can’t wait to learn Phrygian dominant in Japanese.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Haha, thanks for you kind thoughts, man! 日本のフリギアモード :D :D :D

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

I never heard of a phrygian dominant before but it's cool. I like it. Reminds me of like a Byzantine scale.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Happy you like it, man!

[@ThibautKurt23]

Scorpions - Sails of Sharon

[@freeelectron8261]

You can instantly hear that mysterious middle-eastern sound! Amazing!

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Yep, it's the go to tool for that sort of sound!

[@adamguitar1498]

The only people that say this are those who don't really listen to 'middle eastern' music. A more accurate statement is it sounds like whay westerners are led to believe middle eastern music sounds like based on media/Hollywood portrayal.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@adamguitar1498 I do believe you are right to an extent - I've been following an amazing guitarist called Gabriel Akhmad Nur Marin, who plays all sorts of middle eastern traditional instruments besides electric guitar and him alongside a lot of other players, seasoned in the middle eastern culture, are using other scales as well as microtonal guitars or non fretted instruments which allow THOSE sounds to shine, in a way in which the phrygian dominant can't :)

[@adamguitar1498]

@@CosminLupuMMGG I think the other thing to mention is that scales are only a small part of achieving a sound. Rhythm has a huge role in this, as well as other things like melodic development, phrasing/articulation and timbre. It's like saying the pentatonic scale has some heavy rock vibes. It absolutely can, but it's also shown itself to be able to capture and create many other feelings and styles.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@adamguitar1498 Yeps, definitely! I agree with you and thank you for the inspiration :) I plan on making some videos around these topics and aspects soon! Keep rocking!

[@FortressofShred]

Metallica - Wherever I May Roam.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Indeed!

[@archersomers]

Could call that song being in phrygian dominant. It uses every note on the guitar

[@ryangreene50]

The bridge maybe could be called double harmonic? The main riff is definitely Phrygian but the bridge used the major third and the major 7th. The verse also uses a flat 5th like essentially every Metallica song lol. Ultimately it ends up using every single note lol.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@ryangreene50 I should've been more specific and restricted the discussion to the main riff :D

[@TheCyberMantis]

I made it to 5 mins... and then my brain turned to wax. I'm trying to figure out which is harder: getting a PhD in Physics, Medical School, or Music Theory? I'm thinking it's probably Music Theory.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey there and thanks for relaying your thoughts, man! Please let me know what exactly in this video made you think like this - I want to help out if I can

[@TheCyberMantis]

@@CosminLupuMMGG I appreciate you. Your video is fine. The problem is ME. I just have to learn at my own pace. Which is very slow.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thank you for your kind thoughts, man. As long as you are moving forward with your learning, that’s all that matters. If there’s any topic that might help you, let me know and maybe I can make a video explaining it :) All the best on your journey!

[@TheCyberMantis]

@@CosminLupuMMGG Thank you. Best wishes to you as well.

[@WolfgangRP]

Nice chops and helpfully communicated. To my ears, Phryg sounds 'Western classical' and PhrygDom sounds 'eastern'. And in terms of feel it's kinda like 'moody' vs 'otherwordly'. I'm a huge fan and explorer of the modes of the harmonic minor and always come back to PhrygDom for its consistency of inspiration

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thank you for your input, @WolfgangRP ! Also, glad you liked it! I'm a bit on the outside in respect to the other modes of the harmonic minor and the melodic minor, as well, for the mere fact that I haven't yet used them extensively, so I am looking forward to making some time to explore and experiment! Rock n roll!

[@WolfgangRP]

@@CosminLupuMMGG Yeah since I started composing a couple of years back I purposefully avoid Aeolian and Ionian and looked at the more obscure scales for inspiration. Current faves are Messaien 3 and Bebop Dominant. Look forward to seeing your takes on those

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@WolfgangRP Haha! That's very nice, man! I have NEVER tried those and honestly, barely heard about them :D But hey, sure, I'll do my best in a future video! Thank you for the inspiration!

[@Rocksite1]

Great idea. Ask us tio give a thumbs up B4 we know if it sux or not.

[@trixlee5102]

One thing that confused me was at 7:08 you mentioned the "C" is a "major 7" in D Phrygian, but isn't C# the major 7 in D? I always thought there was a flat 7 in the Phrygian Dominant scale.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

You are right! It is a b7 and I am sorry for causing the confusion.

[@stinkystubin]

If D is 1 and 5 is X and water is H2O if he hollers let him go, eeny meeni miney mo.

[@invisiblejay7573]

You're a big Marty Friedman fan, right? Those bends, in phyrgian, are so characteristic of his sound, the way you're playing them. I'm a big Marty fan too.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

I like his playing, although I honed my articulation chops by emulating other types of instruments, such as vocals, clarinets, violins, saxophones and such, so I think it's mostly from there, rather than from Marty :D

[@darrinmcgann]

More playing less talking 😉

[@jim-co-llier]

Good vid. I never really thought about the main distinction being the major third, so that made it worth it. But the self ego-stroking in the beginning was insufferable. Like, what do karate and muscle shirts have to do with musical modes. Less about how cool you are, more about your audience.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey, James - thank you for your feedback and I am glad that you learned something from this video - I think that is the most important thing :) All the best and keep rocking!

[@BassCommunion]

Laughs in Byzantine scale

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

I'll actually try that today :)))))))))))))))

[@BassCommunion]

@@CosminLupuMMGG I guess by your name you're Romanian, so you probably are familiar with it, phrygian it for the americans :p we have something similar but better over here in the "east". Greetings from greece

[@smergthedargon8974]

9:13 Yooo, gimmie the things you used to make that initial backing beat!

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey there - it's a beatboxing sample I found on a stock sfx site (I'll try to remember where and I'll link you) which I have played around with, a bit by adding some delays.

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@CosminLupuMMGG Lovely, thank you!

[@davidj6008]

Good video and lesson I'll re-watch as enormous amount of data Also, everything was going fine until +/-10:00, when the Thrash Metal screaming voice kicked in Then it all jumbled into a fur ball and became indistinguishable Maybe, rework and leave out the screaming parts Just an idea Otherwise, informative regarding an complex subject Thank you

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey there and thank you for the feedback! I'm glad you're finding this video useful and I'll mind the volumes :D Rock on!!!

[@markusszelbracikowski956]

Flamenco vs Middle Eastern = beautiful and evil at the same time =D

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

No wonder all metal dudes and dudettes use it :D Rock n roll!

[@FreshMeatVideo]

wow e dublat.... top!

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Multumesc! Mi se pare important sa fac continutul si in romana - rezonam diferit cu limba materna :)

[@ZagrasNixillis]

Esti roman?

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Salutare, da! 😊

[@KarstenJohansson]

Strat-egies. Good guitar pun.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Haha! I love this! I haven't thought of it :D Thank you!

[@JuxtaCrucem]

Top tunes: good playing and composing.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thank you!

[@jaspern.7702]

video length 13:12? BASED

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey buddy, I'm afraid I don't understand the question - can you please be more specific? Thank you!

[@bigspice4419]

​@@CosminLupuMMGGhe's jokingly praising the video's duration. I don't actually get the joke though, maybe he's saying it's a reference to a prog time signature (13/12)

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@bigspice4419 hahaha, thanks! I haven't thought of it like that, especially since time signatures are usually written by having common denominators of 2 ex: /2 /4 /8 /16 . I've just researched though and found out about irrational time signatures which might be something in the lines of the example above :)) One learns every day!

[@MusiCatsKing]

You're unnecessarily complicating it. It should just be the Bb scale starting on the 3rd 3-4-5-6-7-1-2-3. And the second one was simply the Gm scale starting on the 5th 5-b6-maj7-1-2-b3-4-5. That's so much easier to understand. You don't have to learn 7 (14 or 21 including minor) entirely new scales by changing and re-learning half-steps and whole steps all over the place... ARGH!! All you need to do is start major and minor scales on different notes. It's that simple. And don't call it any kind of D scale because it's not. The first one was Bb starting on the 3rd and the other was Gm starting starting on the 5th. Simple as that.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey there! I understand your perspective and in the same time, if you would take the time to dive into music theory you would have a tremendous grasp on the idea of shifting the tonal center, in the case of modes. When I was in my teens, I was struggling with the same issue: why should I learn all of these modes instead of just thinking about one scale? In time, I realised that by choosing to think about the notes in that one scale as relative to a new root from within that same bunch of notes, had a huge impact on the chords, the relationship between them and the relationship between them and the notes one could play over those chords. This changed my view on music forever. Is it complex? Yes, it can be a little bit daunting at first… Is it useful? YES! So, if you would accept a thought from me, meant only to encourage you to explore and get better with music and guitar playing: be curious and ask yourself “hey, what else is possible aside from what I already know and find comfortable?” I hope this helps, thanks for your input and keep rocking!

[@pat7255]

@@CosminLupuMMGGamen bro

[@deanoverlie224]

Havah Nagila . Miserlou .

[@IcyGriffin]

9:53

[@IcyGriffin]

et 11:05

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thanks for the bookmarks, man!

[@IcyGriffin]

@@CosminLupuMMGG it was principaly for me but glad to help other as possible 🙌🏻👍🏻

[@superultramega77]

Phrygian is the sexiest most well spoken mode. Phrygian dominant has only-child energy. Lol

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Haha! I never looked at it like that - thanks for the perspective, man!

[@coltonpugh9669]

Literally the best and most accurate comment I have yet to see in all of my years on KZbin.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@coltonpugh9669 :)))

[@mikesekula3949]

Mentioning hiphop while holding a guitar is a mortal sin.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

To make it even worse, I even played guitar in a hip hop band when I was 20 🤣🤣🤣

[@mikesekula3949]

@@CosminLupuMMGG Obviously there was no permanent damage - your playing is fantastic!

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@mikesekula3949 Thank you, man!

[@itaisegev100]

why make an educational video in drop d ?

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

hey there. It's a specific sound. If it's different from the standard tuning, it doesn't mean it can't be educational. At least that's how I see it. I am curious about what kind of thought inspired your comment? Thank you!

[@TruthSurge]

phryg dom? it's just harmonic minor for the key 4 notes above the "root". iow, what you played starting on D was just G harmonic minor notes. Kind of simplifies it for me to not memorize so many different labels. Just know WHERE to position these things. Just call it harmonic minor mode 5. ie, you start the harmonic minor scale on the 5th note of the minor key. anyway... a rose by any other name...

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Thanks for the input! The thing is that while you are indeed using the same bunch of notes like the ones in the harmonic minor, which is the parent scale of the phrygian dominant, all those notes answer to a different tonal center and thus, other possibilities are born. That's why modes actually exist, otherwise we'd just stick to the major scale, the harmonic minor and the melodic minor, completely neglecting the other 18 modes that are born out of these 3 parent scales. It's a matter of perspective and possibilities, even though, technically you are right :D My two cents: As long as we have access to the tools to explore and develop what we create as far as we can, why not use them?

[@TruthSurge]

@@CosminLupuMMGG Yes, you can argue that it's important to memorize the same shapes as something new. I just prefer to understand that A harmonic minor is just harmonic minor in one particular position of the 12 possible spots and same for the other keys. Like, if someone said hey, let's jam in E lydian. I don't really need to memorize what lydian is so much as understand where to shift my major scale so I AM playing lydian. Then part 2 of this would be to understand that we are implying a tonal root of E yet playing the notes of B major. So, you can play in B major with an EAR for the chords that are going to be happening and not feel like oh, I'm playing a NEW scale or mode. Same intervals, then no need to rename it is all I'm saying. ? if the structure is different from major scale, then yeah, you have a new scale and 7 modes of it. So, I guess the end result might be the same or not. I would just know that I can play in a major key for any of the standard modes IF I position myself to that spot. Good thing I'm only doing music for myself! hahaha No need to write it down or try to communicate anything to anyone else. Thanks and good luck with everything!!!

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@TruthSurge Whatever gets the job done, as I like to say :D Each person has their own subjective experience in respect to anything in this world - our own inner map of reality. The way we choose to augment it and expand it in the time given to us in this life is a constant choice. I like to share my map and if you guys find it useful, it only makes me happy! Thank you for your thoughts and enjoy the music!!!!

[@TruthSurge]

@@CosminLupuMMGG thx! Have a good one and thanks for your info.

[@mikepaulus4766]

Fake! This guy doesn't have a cool Romanian accent like Codrin Starvi. 😂

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

:)))) That's all you get! :D :D :D

[@MusiCatsKing]

I have no idea what phrygian means. All of these modes are the same scale just starting and ending on a different note other than the root of the scale. Ya know what would help me.. Tell me which note of the scale you're starting on. All these other names as if they're completely different scales (when they're not) just complicates the hell out of it unnecessarily.

[@scottnoricsson2023]

avoid this stupid mode, after one minute it'll give you a headache

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

Hey there - what's exactly bothering you about which of the two modes? How can I help?

[@oyora]

I think it's a really useful mode. especially if you want to mimic an eastern sound. I don't think there's any other option in a 12 note system.

[@nates2]

​@@oyorabyzantine/double harmonic major, harmonic major (major with b6) and hungarian minor would work too.

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@oyora Thank you! I agree - it s very popular in that sense

[@CosminLupuMMGG]

@@nates2 Thanks, man! What’s the parent scale for this one?