EP102 - Biggest handicap REDUCTION EVER, Guy turning pro?, UK's HARDEST golf course!

[@RickShielsGolfShow]

How many over par would Guy shoot in a pro comp? 😆

[@RickShielsGolfShow]

I’d be happy with breaking 90 (Guy) 😆

[@homegolfaustralia1078]

You'd be a low 80's Guy.

[@BrD4GOD]

I'd say 5 over. Just a gut feeling. If Guy really cracked down I think he can do anything well.

[@TBATTIECYCLING]

25

[@bradglawson4395]

Definitely would not break 80

[@conorpaulmccafferty2767]

Great to hear a little mention of my home the Lake District! Love the videos, picked the clubs up again after 15 years (although bought new ones now) and getting back into the swing of it... pun intended... and your videos helping a lot! Just a few Lake District/Cumbria courses for reference...Silloth Golf club; Eden Golf course and I have to mention my home course of Workington Golf Club 👌 Would love to see a video up here in the True North playing in some of our windy courses! Thanks for the content Rick and Guy (and of course those behind the scenes making it all possible!) 👌⛳

[@BenhM8]

Thanks Rick and Guy for the advice for our trip! I’ll be bringing a blanket now for our trip as I’m the designated passenger! We decided to book a round at The Marriot on the way back because it would be rude not to! See you at the golf home of Rick Shiels!

[@cassanova002]

I had something not to dissimilar happen to myself with my handicap. I put in my 3 initial cards and was given an index of 28.2. My first comp I shot an 89 and my index dropped to get 13.7. We know that the WHS Index can fluctuate massively during your first 20 rounds and I think that clubs need to do what they can to make competitions fair i.e divisional prize splits or minimum handicap qualifying rounds before you can win

[@atm7249]

Hey Rick! Can you possibly review the irons from Tarkomo? It's a new brand and for the price they are apparently very good!

[@bernard0camp0s]

Takomo* 201 please!

[@leegreveson3103]

Go and check out James Robinson. I think he’s playing with them

[@bernard0camp0s]

@@leegreveson3103 yeah i saw that. I'm not a fan of JR (except if we're talking Robbo....). For reviews these days, it's gotta be TXG, 2ndSwing or His Royal Rickness (aka King Rickhard III).

[@leegreveson3103]

@@bernard0camp0s can’t beat a bit of Yorkshire honesty. He’s great and never over sells anything

[@franj001]

So many laughs this episode. Had me cracking up

[@andymcleary]

Jeez! Your desk really DID get battered! Great pod again thanks.

[@graememacfarlane7342]

The cut to 6.6 will be correct. I bet the lad got his first handicap with 3 cards and 6.6 will be based on his score in the comp. I played with a high handicap member at Wetherby (135) who won with 48 points and also got cut significantly to 6.8. A few more cards submitted and and the same member is c12/13 which is more realistic. For me I think comps should be restricted to those that have submitted more than x number of cards.

[@icbsax]

There is also an Exceptinal Score Reduction in the WHS, which takes additional shots off you handicap based on how many under it you were. WHS Exceptional Score Reduction Rule extract: When a player submits a score differential of at least 7.0 strokes lower below their Handicap Index, they will be subject to an ESR adjustment. The adjustment ranges from -1 if the score differential is 7.0-9.9 strokes below the current Handicap Index, or -2 if the score differential is 10.0 strokes below the current handicap index.

[@garfscarf]

Enjoyed that podcast. I need to make the same changes you are Rick and start thinking of my health more. A serious knee injury 5 years ago has made me lazy! Would also like to see some videos with Guy playing against you. Keep up the great work.

[@metalheads-golf]

🤣😂 ... nothing better than a little bit of comfort. Love it. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@Theamateurgolfer12]

🤣🤣🤣 I've just done my pumpkins with my kids, what a night mare

[@reecejones3187]

Rick it would be great to see you do a course review of a set of one length irons. I have just got a set of F8’s and watched an old review you had done but on course would be great comparing shots of one length/normal. Great show as always! 🙌

[@Arkade_Perfect]

Some combination of North Berwick, Dumbarnie, Kingsbarns and the Old Course would be a magic trip. As much as Trump int. is awesome, I wouldn’t add that on (travel wise).

[@timothybevis6095]

Rick has a binkie? Great story. How about a piece on the show about golf only fitness. Would love your thoughts on the subject. Thanks all for these pod casts.

[@tigerfish66]

at the JCB rick, you hit fairway on the first 4 holes, then subsequent first 9 holes either rough, trees, bunker and 1 fairway shank. Back 9 you only hit 4 fairways......plus had a duff and water.......horrible day for you, plus no putts really made........next time you i would just worry about hitting the fairways and i think everything else will fall into place....you cruised the first four holes where you hit the fairway......you are a good golfer, up that fairway % and the JCB will be at your mercy i reckon........Brilliant content tho, keep up the great work.

[@adamforster6300]

There is a exceptional score rule in WHO that if your score is 7.0 to 9.9 then you lose 1 shot on all your 8 counted scores and if you shot 10 below your handicap you loose an additional 2 shot on all you counted rounds towards you handicap, I only know because I shot 9 under my handicap In a 2 player team Stapleford comp and dropped 2 on my handicap. Great work as always Rick and Guy🍻

[@SteveSmith-wv8ug]

Vegas soon ? Rick, if possible leave a few day's to jump over to Oregon in order to play the number #1 golf resort in the world. BANDON DUNES !!

[@GreenNgold7]

I hope the vegas trip is a good good collab

[@matthewcaley2541]

Got to be Rocklife Hall in Darlington you’re alluding to. Amazing course.

[@richardharvey2886]

Advice for Ben on his trip - After the Belfry head up the east coast rather than west, Forest Pines or Ganton or any round Leeds like Moortown. Head north and either stop and play round north of England (close house) or find somewhere to the east of Edinburgh then head to St Andrews.

[@felawes]

Rick(ie) - I too need to travel around North Yorkshire and adjacent counties, could you arrange Rick Shiels blankets for sale as merch? You know it makes sense. Richard

[@JC-KeepSmiling]

I'd like to see Rick on Guy's bag in the pro comp, test the friendship :)

[@andywalker3144]

We played East Sussex National in the summer just before the Euro Pro was on. If you missed the fairway you lost a ball, it was rock hard so had to strike it pure to hold greens.................pretty sure the Euro Pro chaps knocked it round 6 under or so, pretty sure I shot low 80s and played well, not sure I can play golf!

[@shawntaylor7442]

Add Rick Shiels blankets to the merch page 😉

[@PaddyPlaysG]

Great podcast. I had a friend get a similar handicap cut from 24.6 down to 6.2 after one general play score where he shot 8+. Needless to say it was the round of his life and his chances of cutting that are slim

[@PetSKi67]

My best stableford score was 63, when I played by the index 49 the following spring from beginning golf in previous August. It was an EGA System extra-day handicapping round and my handicap was supposed to drop to 22. However the club handicapping commitee gave me 28, cause I wasn’t suppose to play the club tees, but forward tees with my club handicap.

[@Arcticwolf-UK]

Great content again

[@JC-KeepSmiling]

I think subconsciously Rick wants Guy to be that Golden Labrador on the Himalayas........

[@wearestokedontrent]

I have just put in my third card for my handicap. Three average rounds +26, +26, +27 and my WHS is… 19.0. Never winning a comp again

[@andytlwy]

Will the podcast be coming back to apple podcasts?

[@johndejesus4357]

May I record my left handed play and my right handed play to calculate an average handicap?

[@gregordavidson2474]

Top banter

[@chrismullan2125]

'Personal reflection' the name of Rick Shiels autobiography.

[@TheGolfHackr]

Love the chat on meditation guys - helping to continue removing that stigma. I would highly recommend anyone that hasn't tried meditation yet gives it a crack (just make sure to stick with it consistently for a couple weeks to see the benefits) - your concentration levels on the golf course will thank you for it.. if not for any of the other benefits that come with it!

[@metalheads-golf]

I'm graphite all the way and love it. The clubs must help me and do not want a battle with them. In tennis you do not see any player anymore with steel or wooden rackets unless it was for fun and going old school .🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@TheTactical6string]

i cant not see that chip on the front left of the desk, what happened?

[@craigmeikle7634]

this story about the guy having 51 points, is kinda like one of our members. he had a handicap of 54 and shot 37 for 18 holes, then in the next few weeks he had a 57. but subsequently this member had both scores wiped from the record as he had been found to have cheated both rounds

[@chriswarner5158]

Rick, you are the "Trebune pro plebis" of golf...

[@micah6615]

Rick if you are able to get back to America you should try the golf course in Indiana it's called French Lick it's also 8 thousand yards and a course rating is 80

[@stuartbisset1]

Guys, if you haven't already, give Netflix's The Social Dilemma a wee watch. Man, that puts the frighteners on your/our phone habits 😳😧

[@aidangriffiths5075]

Tiger is already more successful Rick, I'm with you. Tiger to win the majors over more subscribers 😂

[@davidjr3230]

Love the podcast. How is the search for a producer?

[@markjpad]

when is Vegas? I am in LA and love Vegas and don't even need that much of a reason to go. I'll pay for the round.

[@dcb5176]

In middle age I went to the gym every day and walked 3-4 miles but still I couldn't really manage my weight...changing my diet to a modified keto, drop the carbs, but more importantly limiting my eating to a four hour window, usually 4-8pm and completely fasting one day a week from 8pm on a Wednesday until 10:00am on Friday has worked wonders in allowing me to both lose weight and keep it off...the initial stages of intermittent fasting can be difficult but drinking lots of water to keep your stomach full is the trick...after a while you will find you are not hungry in the 20 hours you don't eat. The daylong fast will reset your system. Eating three meals a day, morning, noon and evening is a myth that has helped contribute to obesity.

[@mickburke2174]

I hadn't played in 13 years and joined my local club, previously handicap was 2. Was given 36 handicap and had 66 points twice. Handicap was than adjusted to 6.1. That is in Australia for the g.a handicap system. Yes I felt bad, and didn't win any prizes due to playing for handicap

[@peter2qg]

It seems fair to me. If you have fewer than 3 cards in, your index is your best handicap differential -2. So 11 over gives a handicap differential of 11×139/113=8.9-2 =6.9, so about what was said. Well done to the lad and his handicap will even out as time goes on and he gets more cards in. If less than 20 Qualifying Scores posted in the last 2 years 3 scores: lowest score -2 4 scores: lowest score -1 5 scores: lowest score 6 scores: average of lowest 2 scores -1 7 to 8 scores: average of lowest 2 scores 9 to 11 scores: average of lowest 3 scores 12 to 14 scores: average of lowest 4 scores 15 to 16 scores: average of lowest 5 scores 17 to 18 scores: average of lowest 6 scores 19 scores: average of lowest 7 scores 20 scores: average of lowest 8 scores

[@stuartwisbey8687]

Ripped Rick with his blanket in vegas!

[@paulfarns1]

I can believe the cut via WHS. If he had for example only 5 cards in for handicap purposes it only uses the lowest 1 to calculate. Up to 8 cards an average of lowest 2 and so on until the full 20 are in for average of best 8. I put 3 cards in as a new member and got an index of 14.2. My 5th round I shot 77 gross (+6) and was docked to 6.2 because it only counted that as my best card

[@TBATTIECYCLING]

*Another brilliant podcast!* *Put the phones down guys, please turn them off when you get home and enjoy your families* 💆🏻‍♂️💆🏻‍♀️🧖🏼‍♀️

[@RickShielsGolfShow]

Great idea!!

[@Chyeahokay]

The problem is also. Everyone loca golf course is different. One guys with a 20 handicap could be playing the hardest course every weekend. While a 5 handicap is playing a nice easy course every weekend. Golf has too many variables to compare fairly

[@virtualmartijn]

Most podcast players allow for speeding up the playback. I use x1,25 speed usually but I know a bunch of people who would use x2 speed.

[@Crumbleofborg]

I remember reading once that at his peak, Tiger Woods would have been off +14. PLUS FOURTEEN. Puts things into context, eh.

[@alexanderson3290]

Rick you need to play CLEVELAND GOLF CLUB the best greens in the northeast and without doubt the best chef .

[@LemonJelly360]

The danger of phones and the distractions they bring is that you are not present for those around you. Watching TV or a movie together is a shared experience, your phone is an isolating device, which is weird considering it is a communication device. Everything in moderation is cliche, but it is true; however, more important than that is being present for the friends and family around you.

[@PetSKi67]

If there is not enough handicap rounds on a player, the best 8 doesn’t apply and there may be huge changes till you get the round count up.

[@scottbutler2761]

Dam Rick i thought at 3 35 min you going to say . I am strong . I am invincible , I am Woman LMAO

[@hamishbutler934]

I think a good golfer,is any golfer who plays under there handicap on the day ⛳ think that's what we all inspire to do 👍

[@leebeenine]

does not seem right I played off 29 at Whittington got 40 points, handicap was only dropped by 1 stroke a lot depends on your previous 8 best scores

[@Damudean]

The cut sounds crazy, but it must include other scores that hadn’t been put into account or it’s simply wrong

[@cs211283]

Dont think kingsbarns is open in november unless its changed

[@paulbayman1268]

I win my first comp I entered and I was handicap of 26 but got cut to 12.2 after the win quite a similar scenario

[@danieljackson2297]

Can the Labrador read the break of the putts too?

[@markjpad]

i'm a middle aged bloke and in 2019 I switched to graphite shafts. My game improved dramatically, but I also found that I was less tired at the end of the round because they are so much lighter than the steel shafts I had previously.

[@kevinregan3224]

Tiger's wins and loses are his business. Your subscribers are your business. There is no shame in focusing on your own family, goals, and ambitions. I doubt Tiger is worried about your subscriber count. :)

[@geoffking2425]

Slope rating is how difficult a course is for an 18 handicap relative a scratch handicapper. It does not tell you how hard the course is. That is the course rating

[@davewalker5387]

3x club member - maybe he uses the dulcet tones of you guys to fall asleep to :)

[@Damudean]

When I was beginning, I shot over 50 stable-fords twice.

[@neilgardner8066]

Stop bullying Matt, we are all human!!

[@paulahulme]

6.6 can't be right!? His 95% playing handicap would be 36 with a par 73 and slope rating of 139. So he still shot an 18 over par 91. Even if that was his only round counting, and with a 2 shot ESR then it would come in around 16. My club uses a cap of 18 shots for major trophies to try and keep things fair. Some clubs require a player has 20 scores for comps to try and avoid massive discrepancies like this.

[@j73566]

Did he PLAY TO an 11 differential or SHOOT 11 over par? 11 over at a 139 slope course could easily be a low single digit differential; if he has a low number of posted rounds and if this is the only competition score that change makes perfect sense Edit: was mentioned he was a new member, might be new to the hcdp system too (only several rounds posted)

[@j73566]

To reply to my own post, as is mentioned, stableford is not played much in US, if he shot 18 shots better than his hdcp his hdcp is BS anyway and what difference does it make?

[@simondewhurst3237]

If the lad with the big handicap drop had only just got his handicap, 3/4 cards in, and had a best previous score of +33. His handicap would be based on this minus 2. After this stableford round, his handicap would still be based on his one best round but unless he shot a 7/8 over par, it seems strange that his handicap changed to 6.6.🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

[@andywalker3144]

I am guessing with the handicap he only had 3 cards in, and his lowest was 33 handicap, so had 31 handicap. He then shot the good score, which would have been his only counting card with a shot taken off. So guessing the course rating was a few more than the 73, this would have been his only counting card and be low. So he played to 9 off par with course rating a bit higher giving the 6.6!

[@nealespear8085]

Rickie gonna play GM Golf?

[@jonnyf1354]

I played turnberry and both course are mega

[@petersulliv4n]

you need to know if he had 20 records in his WHS or not . If he only has 5 or 6 records then the adjustments bounce around like crazy. If the club allow players with less than 20 scores in their WHS to be eligible for prizes then its the fault of the comp sec.

[@jamesbrooks3267]

Viva la Chocolate Raisins

[@fplauditromano]

Dumbarnie is very nice. Trump firmly on my list. My old man is a caddy at KB so hoping to play it soon as well

[@raymondbabb1970]

What happened to the Rick v Pete?

[@jamesfairbairn6290]

i was off 14 and shot 29pts in a stableford comp, somehow my handicap was then cut to 9🤔

[@seanoreilly2181]

Wow, coming off a bad round & handicap cut of 5!!!! Crazy that

[@Ti_Fire]

Team Blanket

[@stevencrighton8755]

Maybe he had a huge score drop out of his top 20? Still. Seems crazy.

[@piezerchief]

Try Fraserburgh if you can't get on trump also Royal Aberdeen is good the king links I'd also good there both located in aberdeen

[@BrD4GOD]

I don't have any social media app on my phone now. Social media is the devil is probably the most accurate sentence to describe it. We need to protect our kids future. There's other apps to communicate and network on. Let's use em.

[@mosyd8973]

Rick Shiels on Joe Rogan - lets make it happen!

[@DavidH175]

Late night Rick?

[@johndejesus4357]

The handicap must be capped. 24 for men and 27 for women. There is no reason to practice if you can compete with a high handicap.

[@0027pete]

Sorry Rick. Was a huge fan until you said you liked chocolate raisins. Chocoloate peanuts all day. Keep up the great (was) content.😉😉😉

[@MrPanukkio]

Question. If I am addicted to RS videos and podcasts am I going to feel better if I unsubsribe? 😁

[@andrewdaisley664]

Glove box snacks. #glovesnax

[@edwardwatts4684]

A good golfer? Someone whos consistent. cant be defined by a handicap but you'd expect it to be low. someone whos consistent off the tees, with there irons, wedge play and making putts. everyone has good and bad days but someone who consistently hits a good score and slowly gets better and better....

[@dennismcintosh3699]

Hey Have Pete Finch on sometime.

[@gbc7344]

For the love of golf Guy leave the bloody microphone alone 😉🤪

[@victorialantrip7602]

This is Jeremiah Victoria's son 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏social media ruins relationships and is bad for you

[@MrEddiyOwen]

Social media is the devil, like, comment and subscribe

[@robthomas3968]

Ole out 😡😡😡😡

[@neilcleghorn4779]

Honestly can’t believe you don’t understand the handicapping rules. 🤦‍♂️

[@dolandrobert6724]

I don't know who need to hear this, investing now is a wise decision to take! Despite the pandemic, cryptocurrency has grown in popularity and is predicted to do so in the future as it has changed a lot of lives

[@karendonald6578]

A lot of people with high IQs are terrible investors because they’ve got terrible temperaments. You need to keep raw, irrational emotion under control

[@paulsonmorgan6251]

@@karendonald6578 It’s not how much money you keep, but how much money you make, how hard it works for you, and how many generations you keep it for

[@jannethmorgan3897]

People like me are scared of investing in commodities because of the rate of unprofessionals probably confused by fluctuations in price

[@MichaelScott-rr1zy]

Great context.everyone needs more than there salary to be financially stable.the best thing to do with your money is to invest it rightly.because money left for saving always end up used with no returns. I started Investing in bitcoin mid November 2020 with the help of a well-known-proffessional Mr DONALD WILLIAMS and the profit entirely funded my recent duplex.

[@mariajames4040]

I've seen different recommendations about Donald Williams, he must be very exceptional for people to talk about him like this

[@adriancox-thesantjordigolf3646]

Rick, buy an android mate that's the solution.

[@josephvcenzoprano7528]

Guy needs to be introduced to a Razor…. He so doesn’t have a proper Beard. Rick envy perhaps?