Improve the feel of the Logitech G27 Shifter

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Ricmotech Sim Racing Equipment

Ricmotech Sim Racing Equipment

Күн бұрын

In this episode of Sim-Racing Tips & Tricks we show you how to modify the G27 shifter to improve its feel.

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@GamingLover-xp8hc
@GamingLover-xp8hc 7 жыл бұрын
I did this mod 3 years ago and it still does great for me. I just remembered and wanted to come back and say thanks for showing this man!
@joxoddshots3014
@joxoddshots3014 4 жыл бұрын
6 years now 😂
@brodeur212
@brodeur212 4 жыл бұрын
Still good ?
@inlinelife4168
@inlinelife4168 3 жыл бұрын
Jox Oddshots 6 years and 9 months
@TheDct88
@TheDct88 9 жыл бұрын
6:03-6:09 sorry i thought you were on about something else
@zorgain6101
@zorgain6101 9 жыл бұрын
Hahahaa!!!
@samsnook100
@samsnook100 8 жыл бұрын
TheDct88 LMAO
@DocHalliday
@DocHalliday 8 жыл бұрын
I just performed this mod on my G29 shifter. No more loud clunks, and now I can race at night without waking anybody up. Thanks!
@Hachiae
@Hachiae 8 жыл бұрын
you wasted your money on a G29, should have gotten a belt drivin wheel for that money
@DaneF1
@DaneF1 8 жыл бұрын
+Hachi Roku not really, the G29 has the best pedals at its price point.
@Hachiae
@Hachiae 8 жыл бұрын
Dane Frederiksen good pedals doesnt make up for it being a G27 for more then double the price.
@DocHalliday
@DocHalliday 8 жыл бұрын
It has more fictional buttons and a dial on the face, a stop rubber below the brake pedal, to name a few of the improvements. I'm happy with it, so it is not a waste of money.
@Hachiae
@Hachiae 8 жыл бұрын
Joseph Halliday again, minor changes dont warrant double the price for the same wheel. but if your happy with it all the more to you.
@renangoncalvesflores
@renangoncalvesflores Ай бұрын
I was having an issue where my shifter was limited to 3rd and 4th gears, without access to the remaining. It was as if something was blocking it physically. It turns out it was a small plastic black ring which broke and fell under the stick. Thanks for the tutorial, now I can finally driver manual cars again... after I fix my gas pedal oscillating while I'm not pressing it... Thanks, champs!
@chemicalyinbalanced
@chemicalyinbalanced 9 жыл бұрын
This video just went to all sorts of dark places after 6:00 thank god I was watching this whilst in the house by myself, Jesus
@kfmscience
@kfmscience 10 жыл бұрын
Yeah just got the G27 and it does sound cheap and plastiky when shifting gears. Great tutorial. Very clear and precise instructions...unlike most on youtube. 10/10
@GarrySugabo
@GarrySugabo 6 жыл бұрын
Such a great proper improvement mod and fix! The leather part of my shifter under my knob has been ripped open in both top and bottom side. The ring will definitely help keep down the leather from tugging and tearing even more while I shift cautiously! And black tape will do to seal back up the teared holes! Thanks!
@DisguisedOGOffical
@DisguisedOGOffical 3 жыл бұрын
So I was watching this through bing, I had to click on the original link to say this is the best tutorial you'd find on the internet in terms of all grounds covered and full explanations. damn you even told people how to recharge a magnetic screw driver. top bloke cheers.
@xMarasx
@xMarasx 7 жыл бұрын
Number six with extra dip
@unstopableguy1
@unstopableguy1 7 жыл бұрын
why do you do this
@Wings_of_foam
@Wings_of_foam 7 жыл бұрын
Haha
@lowrider69yearsago58
@lowrider69yearsago58 3 жыл бұрын
Big Smoke
@MuscleCarLover
@MuscleCarLover 8 жыл бұрын
My wife just started to complain about the noise I make with the shifter waking her up at night, due to how easy to understand this video is I liked and subscribed
@user-hk4re9ro1o
@user-hk4re9ro1o 3 жыл бұрын
Five years ago, but people still have same problems 😂 my GF hates it when I wake her up with this shifting noise ..
@MuscleCarLover
@MuscleCarLover 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-hk4re9ro1o No longer married, but all they hear is the clank, when she confronted me about it, I just started replicating the typical noises the wheel makes and sure enough, shifter clank. The Velcro did the trick and it's been something I recommend ever since
@newdrone1277
@newdrone1277 3 жыл бұрын
greetings from Brazil! Thank you so much for this great tutorial.
@GTElwood
@GTElwood 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks Frank, i've done this mod today with a biadeshive tape and a strip of felt (that one used in the pianos to dim the noise inside the piano or when a key is full pressed). Same concept, different materials and same results. Cheers.
@derbigpr500
@derbigpr500 10 жыл бұрын
What this needs is a much stiffer spring. The shifter is way too light.
@HoxtonRules
@HoxtonRules 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you man I just changed the spring and it was very very great now
@Moriggia
@Moriggia 4 жыл бұрын
@@HoxtonRules Where can I buy another spring?
@MP--li3el
@MP--li3el 4 жыл бұрын
@@Moriggia just buy mod plate that goes in it it stiffens it all up
@trailswithtyler7427
@trailswithtyler7427 2 жыл бұрын
@@MP--li3el can you give me a link to one
@Dear-_-Agony
@Dear-_-Agony 2 жыл бұрын
I see this video as well as comment is very old. But that's my thoughts as well! More than the click when shifting I hate how cheap and light it is when shifting. As a manual driver. It's pretty pathetic, haha! So another spring will do the trick.. gotta look into the kind.
@Collinsv8
@Collinsv8 7 жыл бұрын
I just did this mod to my shifter. It is definitely quieter. Thank you Sim Racing.
@danm8948
@danm8948 11 жыл бұрын
Nice ideas. I bought a longer screw at the hardware store and put a plastic spacer inside the knob to make the shaft slightly longer. Personal preference, but I have larger hands and liked the feel of the longer shaft.
@dogminister
@dogminister 7 жыл бұрын
this made my shifter sound alot better. thanks!
@brunoWoWps
@brunoWoWps 10 жыл бұрын
Complete video!! Awesom and helpful. Need this for pedals
@Hellwyck
@Hellwyck 8 жыл бұрын
So much innuendo in one great video.
@wrOngplan3t
@wrOngplan3t 3 жыл бұрын
Bought my G27 10 years ago, it still mostly works. The only thing not working are the buttons on the wheel itself (and paddle shifters), otherwise it's good. I've not been an avid racer so no constant heavy use of it. Still pretty good quality wheel if you ask me, lasting this long. As I drive stick irl, this is what I like for games as well. True the shifter always felt a bit cheap. Never modded it before, but I'm about to now though. Thanks for these videos!
@ZootCaptain
@ZootCaptain 9 жыл бұрын
Well explained,and easy to do.I am a idiot and even i understood it.
@denaistaka
@denaistaka 9 жыл бұрын
Nice video, well recorded! Thanks!
@wigwack12
@wigwack12 9 жыл бұрын
Instead of using velcro, I used a small strip of double sided tape and wraped it around the shaft rather then the plastic exterior. I then took a piece of electrical tape around the exposed side of the double sided tape. It works extremely well as an alternative.
@ClubBlau
@ClubBlau Жыл бұрын
Awesome info! Thanks man! About to try it.
@essentialtech388
@essentialtech388 6 жыл бұрын
The velcro mod works so well, the shifter now is not as loud and feels alot more realistic.
@user-sg9ww8ew7r
@user-sg9ww8ew7r 10 жыл бұрын
It's a good wheel. I'm happy how it delivers its FFB in X Motor Racing Pro.
@Juos10kustu
@Juos10kustu 4 жыл бұрын
very good and detailed video !
@TomCastellani
@TomCastellani 3 жыл бұрын
I just padded the stick itself rather than trying to put it around the inside of the housing. Works well.
@georgerosebush9754
@georgerosebush9754 7 жыл бұрын
Tip: you can use the velcro around the shaft instead of the o ring/grommet if you don't have one.
@Mkewl2006
@Mkewl2006 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing this mod. I am installing my G27 in a mazda miata which I have removed the front and rear of the car. Should be an awesome simulator when finished.
@Blast_HardCheese
@Blast_HardCheese 9 жыл бұрын
That's the most awesome thing I've ever heard. Especially the Miata part. Only ever seen that done with Civics and such. You should post some videos of it
@3dlabs99
@3dlabs99 10 жыл бұрын
Cool video! Love when products can be disassembled like this so you can do service and mods. Too many modern products are designed to keep you out of them by clicking together or something like that.
@wrOngplan3t
@wrOngplan3t 3 жыл бұрын
This is what's called an underrated comment. First like 7 years later :P (I agree with you)!
@3dlabs99
@3dlabs99 3 жыл бұрын
@@wrOngplan3t Hahaha thanks :)
@DLsGameGuides
@DLsGameGuides 8 жыл бұрын
great video! might try this soon!
@ormoniuk
@ormoniuk 6 жыл бұрын
the innuendo is strong with this one
@kristofferopdal8262
@kristofferopdal8262 8 жыл бұрын
thanks 4 the tip! IT works perfectly
@JadenMohan
@JadenMohan 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing Mod! Thanks so much guys!!!
@killerhamsters99
@killerhamsters99 7 жыл бұрын
While I might not have made the smartest decision in buying the G920 (xbox version of the G29), I'm glad to see the construction of both the shifters are almost identical. Will most definitely try this. On another note, have you guys tried installing custom knobs on these shifters? If so, are there any tips and tricks to *not* destroy the shfiter? Thanks and awesome video.
@Melldorain
@Melldorain 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I'm not really been directly annoyed by it. But have to admit, it does feel 'cheap' and 'plastic' out of the box. I just took it as a pointer, that it was about half the price of the full Thrustmaster set. But this surely removes that cheap feeling of it. Thanks! :)
@AndiiLMS
@AndiiLMS 11 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks!
@thek.p4899
@thek.p4899 4 жыл бұрын
I Found a 2nd hand g27 plastic still on the shifter bearly used i love it so
@seanmorissette5765
@seanmorissette5765 6 жыл бұрын
would be awesome to have part list
@h3nny_99
@h3nny_99 10 жыл бұрын
Nice Mod, i have made it too and it really good and doesn't really get to much time. 2min or so and it isn't expensive too. All in all a nice mod, which do the feeling more realstic.
@sethcormier7768
@sethcormier7768 10 жыл бұрын
@RICMOTECH Hey, I like the video but I do have one question. Will using the loop side of Velcro cause issues with the performance of the electronics? I have not disassembled this exact shifter myself so I'm not sure what style switches are used to indicate gear to the game. My thought was that the rod rubbing against the Velcro would cause the little fuzzy hairs to rub off inside the shifter assembly. Will these little hairs cause issues with anything inside the shifter housing or are the switches pretty well protected from contamination. I will have one of these shifters in a couple days as I have just ordered a g27, I plan on doing this mod or a similar one using something other than Velcro. Another comment suggests draft striping but I think that will cause much difficulty shifting into 1,2,5,6,R as it will prevent the shifter from being able to go far enough to left or right for the pins on the side of the shifter mechanism to reach the opening in the side gates this shifter uses. Your opinion would be appreciated as I will use the Velcro if you haven't experienced issues. Thank you.
@sethcormier7768
@sethcormier7768 10 жыл бұрын
cool thank you, I have some white Velcro brand lying around and if you rub the fuzzy side some of the white fibers come off each time (not alot but if you do it over a black surface it builds up quick.) I am going to pick up some 3m brand and see how that works. I'm surprised because the Velcro brand is extremely strong, I use it to hold the twin lipos in my rc race boat and it takes alot of force to pull the batteries out. I've used off brands that dont cut the mustard, however I have never used 3m so I will for sure use that when my g27 arrives. Thanks for the help.
@sandybill1766
@sandybill1766 8 жыл бұрын
i just cut a fresh polishing sponge down to a rectangle 30mm wide and 40mm long, cut out a notch in the center to slide over the stick then held it down with a tiny zip tie for now, later on i might use some silicon or something thats easy to remove later on down the track if need be.
@ratodebanhado1
@ratodebanhado1 8 жыл бұрын
+Alex W it works , teel us the experience about 6 months. grease? not grease? durable? fails?
@sandybill1766
@sandybill1766 8 жыл бұрын
+ratodebanhado it is still going great though I would probably recommend cutting it to 20mm wide by 30mm long as sometimes reverse and 5th gear were a bit tedious. Thanks for checking up.
@chereveco666
@chereveco666 7 жыл бұрын
Good vídeo, currently I'm looking for a very good procedure to have my G27 to work with PS4, specifically with WRC5... thanks
@notdukko4123
@notdukko4123 6 ай бұрын
bit late but i might buy myself this, or the g25 as just a cheap ffb starting wheel and i do like the idea of a shifter with buttons but ive also heard that the g27/g25 shifters arent the greatest. i will save this for later
@Callum1123
@Callum1123 10 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video man
@davidhack1974
@davidhack1974 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, good video, will this mod also work for the G25 shifter?
@Furluge
@Furluge 9 жыл бұрын
So I gave this a try with a 1/2 inch grommet and it was way too big for this purpose. For the record I used a 1/2 inch grommet from everbilt 588 448 from Home Depot
@PlatoTravin
@PlatoTravin 10 жыл бұрын
Tanks a lot for the simpel things to fix the problems
@senicegy
@senicegy 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the usefull info.
@ielwa
@ielwa 9 жыл бұрын
Nice info man
@jackpaynter2928
@jackpaynter2928 10 жыл бұрын
Thank You So Much!!!
@MorbidVizions
@MorbidVizions 7 жыл бұрын
Nice mod, Thanks!
@atmospheric_b
@atmospheric_b 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@isaac49710
@isaac49710 9 жыл бұрын
His fly is down...
@EminorReal
@EminorReal 8 жыл бұрын
Nice 1 thanks!
@freddy888
@freddy888 7 жыл бұрын
velcro sound effect too!
@rrrje4523
@rrrje4523 10 жыл бұрын
Hi, I would very much appreciate it if I could get info on where I can get that stick of velcro :) Thank you.
@ahofflev
@ahofflev 9 жыл бұрын
sehr gute Idee, dadurch wird die Schaltung leiser und die Klickgeräusche verschwinden.
@alanjohnston7091
@alanjohnston7091 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! thanks!!! :)
@phillipjfry4538
@phillipjfry4538 10 жыл бұрын
got anything for the pedals clutch&break to feel more real??
@karburator2778
@karburator2778 10 жыл бұрын
thx man its work:)
@drxkshadow1893
@drxkshadow1893 6 жыл бұрын
Does this work on the thruthmaster t150?
@Low97ss
@Low97ss 8 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where to get a new replacement shift boot? Mine torn like the one in the video.
@brianfindsall
@brianfindsall 5 жыл бұрын
S O S can you please tell me . will the G27 Shifter work with the newer G920 steering wheel. Please need to know so I can have one repaired...thankyou Bri
@dany3241291
@dany3241291 9 жыл бұрын
Sir well explained, very friendly I like that, I'll get my g27 soon, hope I don't have any troubles with the shifter :)
@PackhouseMediaCollective
@PackhouseMediaCollective 9 жыл бұрын
My G27 is also being shipped! I can't wait!
@PackhouseMediaCollective
@PackhouseMediaCollective 9 жыл бұрын
Mike Lowery G27 Hype! I'm gonna record some driving and racing videos and everything! :D
@PackhouseMediaCollective
@PackhouseMediaCollective 9 жыл бұрын
Rex Jow Late December my child, my G27 has arrived but I need to get things setup first! But damn, that box is heavy!
@BobRoberts363
@BobRoberts363 9 жыл бұрын
Ya I used to feel that way till I got it. what a let down
@PackhouseMediaCollective
@PackhouseMediaCollective 9 жыл бұрын
Bob Roberts The fuck is your problem man? What happened to your wheel?
@Tony-1971
@Tony-1971 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Anyone got a spare piece of velcro knocking about ? And a couple of screwdrivers, and some scissors, and an empty container, and an a hex key, and an O ring (half inch) and a Logitech steering wheel, with shifter, obviously.
@tdx7
@tdx7 7 жыл бұрын
KinkyViking THE DEVIL IS STRONG
@joaoandregalinho
@joaoandregalinho 10 жыл бұрын
Hi, is there a way to increase the resistance of the shifter, make it require more force to change gears? I feel that it is too easy and doesn´t feel right....
@MTLWAKEUP
@MTLWAKEUP 11 жыл бұрын
easy mod, well worth it. Thanks!
@GabrielMolinari
@GabrielMolinari 8 жыл бұрын
Very Nice !! (:
@d121f7
@d121f7 10 жыл бұрын
can you make the G27 shifter resistance mod?
@pallinarozza
@pallinarozza 9 жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me the name of the black part at minute 1:40. I don't understand well English
@PestVic
@PestVic 9 жыл бұрын
Ok I understand the Velcro, I did that part. But what was the spacer/grommet for?
@Furluge
@Furluge 9 жыл бұрын
To keep the boot from riding up the shaft.
@SideroadsM
@SideroadsM 9 жыл бұрын
***** You said riding up the shaft. uh huh huhuh
@InZomnia365
@InZomnia365 9 жыл бұрын
Rubbing, shaft, knob, tug.... Yep, this video can not be watched while intoxicated...
@1dirty7
@1dirty7 7 жыл бұрын
Sweet thx.
@islamsonable
@islamsonable 4 жыл бұрын
How to set settings logitech g27 on car games and set the dead point to control the torch realistically
@harrisns2221
@harrisns2221 5 жыл бұрын
Will the black velcro bits fall off and get into the system? I'm scared it'll ruin the mechanism in any way. Anyone having any issues or facing the situation above?
@danielduarte8243
@danielduarte8243 10 жыл бұрын
HAVE CHANGE AND THE PEDAL G27, PRA HOW DO I USE THE LOGITECH DRIVING FORCE GT?
@Sethi1st
@Sethi1st 7 жыл бұрын
How should be velcro and o ring in millimeeter ?
@PotHat
@PotHat 9 жыл бұрын
Does this also work for the G25?
@Lameboy7
@Lameboy7 9 жыл бұрын
i can get the grommet, but i cant find anywhere to get the 6 inch velcro piece, any suggestions or replacements?
@rogersnead5200
@rogersnead5200 9 жыл бұрын
It's at any hardware store in the USA , or Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart...in Arts and Crafts. Strange, where do you live?
@winblasers2
@winblasers2 7 жыл бұрын
I guess you could also use Window Seals that are made in rubber and have adhesive on it.
@winblasers2
@winblasers2 7 жыл бұрын
could also use rubber band for keeping the gasket down, this way you don't need to take the Knob off.
@foomfoom94
@foomfoom94 8 жыл бұрын
Does it work for the G920 shifter?
@JerichosConqueror
@JerichosConqueror 10 жыл бұрын
shift up to 7th with the pedal shifters on the steering wheel lol an I don't own one of these, I'm just thinkin of buying one soon :P
@chemicalyinbalanced
@chemicalyinbalanced 9 жыл бұрын
this was a while ago, but would it not be better to install the sticky back velcro directly to the pole itself?
@ToastedBuns207
@ToastedBuns207 8 жыл бұрын
you probably could do that. try it and see how it goes
@jnln
@jnln 7 жыл бұрын
Dean Walker be wasn't that clean where dose the Velcro go in the shifter?
@azzorzer
@azzorzer 9 жыл бұрын
i dont have any of these problem with my shifter and i didnt mod it..
@hegz1484
@hegz1484 7 жыл бұрын
thinking of buying a g27 cheap and just wondering how common the encoder issue is... or should i fork out for a g29
@hegz1484
@hegz1484 7 жыл бұрын
Andrew Isosceles ah well I got a brand new g29 for 350$nzd which is about £175 so I'm happy (ffb isn't as different from my dfgt as I thought it would be though) and the shifter is cheap enough when I save a little extra coinage
@carlosdenevier9538
@carlosdenevier9538 2 жыл бұрын
this mod i did 3 years ago without seeing this or any other video. very thin rubber on all sides. result = gears jump out or they will not get in. the margin of space is very, very small. today my "gearbox" is in "1000" pieces on my table. the 3 springs will be impoved, the metall ball will press harder in the spaces made for it, the whole plastic housing will be "coated" with 3 mm thick insulating material for car audio-freaks (which comes in the car doors) and i still habe to think a way to minimize this cheap plastic clicking. but i will succed! my pedals are allready out of the original housing, mounted on a self constructed platform that can be ajusted in hight, tilt back and forth and the space between the pedals. the brake pedal working 3x harder then original for better brake-feeling. next problem, the ratteling of the wheel on high speed on straits. too much to write ... but this mode is in my oppinion not enough and it could make the whole thing worse. COULD, did it on my gear-box.
@kevonklemple5558
@kevonklemple5558 8 жыл бұрын
I just did the velcro around the shaft instead of the entire housing and it seems to have worked like a charm. I don't think you need to do the whole inside of the housing.
@jaccoruisch1863
@jaccoruisch1863 8 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot, i did that to and it worjs perfectly
@ratodebanhado1
@ratodebanhado1 8 жыл бұрын
+Kevon Klemple Interesting and creative, however, as in the video, I believe there is a possibility of releasing wisps around mechanism, sticking grease and maybe entering the potentiometers. In the video appears black tiny pieces. You opened again after a while to see if it infected the whole mechanism?
@RWHobbies
@RWHobbies 7 жыл бұрын
Nice mod, but there is an error in the video. For a G27 you need a 3/8" grommet not a 1/2". The 1/2" is way to big and slides down the shaft. The 3/8" fits perfectly.
@d3tach3d
@d3tach3d 5 жыл бұрын
I did this but with rubber strips. the rubber makes a 10 times better than the cloth feel of the velcro
@patrickkelley9887
@patrickkelley9887 10 жыл бұрын
Does this mod void the warranty?
@Nutshell2K
@Nutshell2K 10 жыл бұрын
This is all and well, but my G27 ( latest revision from Logitech ) already has this 'fix?'
@nobodynobody3183
@nobodynobody3183 9 жыл бұрын
i dropped my shifter off my table and it broke and now it only goes into 1st and second gear. :(
@ulfenstyle
@ulfenstyle 9 жыл бұрын
I bet it lost its gears in the fall.. //sarcasm
@Z4G.
@Z4G. 9 жыл бұрын
***** Lost its gears? There is no gears in the shifter
@Moon___man
@Moon___man 9 жыл бұрын
CrazyGamerZ4G yeah because you dropped them all
@Z4G.
@Z4G. 9 жыл бұрын
MoonMan Aaaaaah, saw what u did there ;)
@BrcPL
@BrcPL 8 жыл бұрын
anyone know where can I buy ready made H-Break ?
@zexigabetty
@zexigabetty 8 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt it be better to apply thick pieces of tape, or pieces of sponge? or maybe even cardboard? Velcro seems like a poor material that could fall into the mechanism, like some people already stated..
@ratodebanhado1
@ratodebanhado1 8 жыл бұрын
+zexigabetty yeah. his is my doubt. I want to reduce the noise but I was recei after seeing little black bits in the entire mechanism.
@danielholmes6615
@danielholmes6615 8 жыл бұрын
can you also replace the shift knob with like a a real shift knob for a real car?
@danielholmes6615
@danielholmes6615 8 жыл бұрын
Kool thanks
@franciscoyajatdelgadoordun4653
@franciscoyajatdelgadoordun4653 6 жыл бұрын
Disculpa la molestia mi shifer no quiere reconoser la reversa
@almeidaracing6233
@almeidaracing6233 5 жыл бұрын
Gordo sabe como reparar la reversa ?,pongo en reversa y me toma sexta muy raro
@ameesseman
@ameesseman 10 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if I could here what the mod made it sound like after, but I couldn't because he was still talking.
@Lenny7118
@Lenny7118 7 жыл бұрын
Will the mod work on G29 and if so is the same steps taken to install the mod on a G29
@Ricmotech
@Ricmotech 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, the mod should also work on the G29 shifter and go on the same way.
@RingRingRingBananaPhone
@RingRingRingBananaPhone 7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be easier to stick the Velcro onto the shaft at the height its hitting the plastic?
@Liofa73
@Liofa73 7 жыл бұрын
Banana Phone Probably hits in slightly different positions and also, having the Velcro on the shaft might make the boot catch on the shaft.
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