Riding the Updated 2024 Yamaha Tenere 700 (USA version)

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[@stevelarson4487]

Although the T7 is a good bike, I chose a Transalp instead. There were a few aspects of the T7 I did not like - the seat, top-heavy & taller, and a display which is very basic.

[@leanit5756]

I did. I had a 890 ADV-R. Now I have a '24 T7. I prefer the T7.

[@kimmosuomalainen9945]

I did choose. i bought 2nd hand 2022 T7 World Raid some months ago. Big 23 liter tank (500 km / 300 miles range), top of the line suspension components and ready with all mods, whistles and bells. Heavy, but that will be my touring / adventure bike. I'll keep my 690 Enduro R for those moments I want to do some reckless riding.

[@gunnar1169]

I recently bought the 24 T7 a few weeks ago. For me personally I am coming from a background of racing dirtbikes so I wanted something that felt more or less like a big dirtbike. After looking at the Transalp, Norden, Ktm 790 and 890R, and the 660, I still came back to the T7. Im not someone who keeps anything stock and I would have changed the suspension on everyone of these bikes and none of them are good enough for the type of rididng I like, although some are better than others. So for me the decision came down to, reliabiltiy, aftermarket support, affordability, looks/style, and seeing the potential of the bike. Overall the T7 one this quite easily in my eyes. In my first 100 miles on the bike I took it offroad on some Colorado single track that I used to take my dirtbike on. The bike did great, and was alot of fun.

[@TRYTOKPUP]

The T7 is still at the top of my list for my next bike. Followed by the Vstrom 800de. The Transalp just doesn't tickle my fancy. And I Stear clear of European offerings.

[@JacoT7_ADV]

I’ve had my ‘22 T7 for 18 months now and have put over 27000kms (16000mi) on it with not a single issue. My complaints are the same as everyone’s, the soft rear brake, mediocre suspension, top heavy, small fuel tank, etc…but I’ve remedied all of those issues with the aftermarket parts available (minus the top heaviness). I’ve ridden a lot of the competition bikes in the mid-size range, and I can honestly say I would NOT trade my T7 for any of them. Currently doing a full custom KYB SSS 48mm suspension up front and either a Tractive Rally +25mm or TFX shock in the rear to turn the bike into a desert weapon. I don’t know if I’ll ever buy another bike besides a T7 now. Well done Yamaha, well done!

[@Pengu_VR]

guessing you don’t have the world raid available. way better bike, weight lower and way better suspension for only a little steeper price and higher seat height

[@JacoT7_ADV]

@@Pengu_VR not in North America. We only get base T7’s

[@Bhombar]

What did you do for the crappy rear break? I hate it, it's like I don't even have a rear brake

[@Pengu_VR]

@@JacoT7_ADV uff…even explore is better than base t7

[@JacoT7_ADV]

@@Bhombar Camel ADV “The Fix” brake lever and full Galfer brakes

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Quick-shifting downward requires throttle-by-wire as the ECU will rev the engine to match engine RPM to anticipated gear RPM. Otherwise, you have to blip the throttle yourself. T7 is cable throttle and quick-shifting upward isn't a problem for cable systems. If people want the T7 to get fully converted to TBW, count the cost.

[@fireteam_]

Throttle by wire would allow for cruise control easily too, which is another common complaint about the T7. Maybe some of you guys are lucky to live near fun offroad stuff, but riding 2-3 hours to the offroad stuff, cruise control is very nice.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@fireteam_ Yes it is. Cruise control is possible with cable systems, but that requires a separate module which can pull the throttle cables, between the grip and the throttle bodies. That was like the older cars and trucks before throttle-by-wire was implemented. The cost of changing over a cable throttle to an electronic throttle is varied I'm sure. It requires all the R&D and programming to get the ECU to take over all the throttle control based on sensor position interpretation in ECU maps, input from wheel rotation sensors, engine crank sensor, and a host of other things. It's not as easy as badda-bing, badda-boom. It's expensive and time investing for the company to do it. They already do it on other products but each motorcycle is unique in controls, reactions, functions.

[@majormassenspektrometer]

My Tracer 900 had cruise control and quick shifter without throttle by wire... Fuck this throttle by wire. I want old school cables which can be switched out easily and cheaply. Some things are just not necessary... Don't touch the caple clutch and throttle on the Tenere. It's a simple bike, it doesn't need this BS.

[@jaybosher6144]

@@majormassenspektrometer this guy gets it. the t7 has adv at the heart of it. everything but major engine work can be done with simple hand tools. thats what i want in the bush where cell service doesn't reach

[@gbner9991]

@@majormassenspektrometer have you ever had of Yamaha RBW going wrong? Nope. Cables are probably less reliable in reality.

[@IRLtrolls]

All you need to know about the T7 is that LongHaulPaul has 180,000 miles on his and it’s going strong. Try that with a 890, Desert X or Tuareg

[@MeerkatADV]

Yep, they are unkillable. I've got 52k on mine with about half of that off road. The valves were still in spec during the second major service.

[@jaybosher6144]

bunch of cp2 engines out there with big mileage but no one thats done it in like 2 years. cp2 reshaped the game and is the reason for the spurt of new value cp engines we gone from all major manufacturers.

[@BERZERKERSV4]

Well.. you failed to mention that 99% of those 180k miles was highway droning .. great cause for MS … otherwise, no big deal…

[@MeerkatADV]

@@BERZERKERSV4 over 20k miles of my 52k miles on mine is in dirt. All the BDRs, Tuk, LAB2V, Dakota 600. The bike doesn't care.

[@IRLtrolls]

@@BERZERKERSV4 lmao what? Miles are miles. 890, Desert X or Tuareg would all fail before 180,000 miles of highway.

[@phillipbatho3213]

I have no buyer's remorse with my '21 T7 whatsoever. This update doesn't make me want to trade it for a new one, but I get why they changed a few things that a lot of people said they wanted. The competitors seem to fill slightly different niches rather than try to be the same bike as the T7, which is great to give different people different options. I have over 11,000 miles on my T7 after two seasons, and I'm perfectly happy to keep adding more miles indefinitely without worrying about the longevity of the bike one bit. Someday someone might make a replacement that I'd rather have, but it hasn't happened yet!

[@leanit5756]

I have a '24. I think the main reason people complain about harshness in the suspension is because the bike is delivered from the factory with too much rebound damping already dialed in to the shock. When people are making adjustments, they frequently have indicated they are dialing in more damping on everything, including the already over-damped shock rebound. I took out 5 clicks of shock rebound damping (from factory 13 out to 18 out) and it is quite plush but the rebound is still controlled. On smooth asphalt, firm rebound can provide a feeling of control, but on dirt, the suspension needs to be allowed to extend quickly enough after hitting a bump before it hits the next bump. I am 195 pounds / 88 kg fully suited up and do not carry luggage or passengers. The other problem is with tubes and such a heavy and powerful bike, it is pretty reckless to drop tire pressure as a pulled valve stem, pinch flat, and/or bent rim is so likely if you are a fast rider. I am using 28 PSI which is way higher than I would like, but having bent wheels, experienced pinch flats, and pulled valve stems on other much lighter and less powerful bikes, I am not about to go lower.

[@gbner9991]

I think I will try this on mine. You are right that there seems to be a lot of suggestions around to go on the stiffer side with the settings. I tried them and also found too harsh and went back to standard. I noticed the rear shock seems to lose traction frequently on rocky uphill and washboard.

[@matthewallison6823]

the fork also benefits from less damping on both compression and rebound. I added some preload spacers to get the static sag right on the fork and got it to ride plush over 90% of things I hit. when I first got it my hands were getting thrashed on rocky roads. had it 2.5 years and 13000 miles of silly behaviour and won't be changing it anytime soon!

[@JacoT7_ADV]

I found a suspension clicker setup on here that worked really well with the stock suspension. Front forks Rebound 10 out, Compression 8 out (stock is 17 and 11 from fully closed) and rear shock Compression 5 out, rebound 16 out, preload 8 out. Played with it a bit afterwards, but it seemed to work for me. I’m 220lbs with 6.9 springs in the front and 85N in the rear. I’ve since gone with a KYB SSS 48mm fork setup and a Tractive Xtreme Pro rear shock, but the other settings worked pretty dang good.

[@verbalwidget0919]

I had a 2021 T700 rode it coast to coast twice, hated the small fuel tank, non-tubeless wheels, silly gas cap, and glad I wasn't the only one who thought the suspension was initially very harsh and I'm 225lbs. But with a Seat Concepts seat, Puig touring windscreen, and one tooth bigger on the countershaft, my 21 T700 gave me one of the most amazing rides of my life, the motor pure magic running 80mph all day, very steady on the road, and layout very comfortable with my longest day at 1100 miles. Air filter and oil changes are a breeze. I now have a Vstrom 1050, but I would like another T700 and would change to an Acerbis 6-gallon tank, a tubeless rear wheel, with the seat and windshield mods I described earlier. With the meager changes to the 2024 a used 22 or 23 T700 would be more than fine. Great review as always.

[@user-kl1vy3wo4k]

I’m 6’3 215. I’m worried that the suspension won’t be enough for my weight while riding OffRoad. I see a lot of complaints about the suspension. I plan to get one. Hoping I love it.

[@nevadahardenduro]

Pretty easy fix…

[@toddgoodrich694]

I just purchased my 2024 T7, looking forward to touring northern Michigan with it. I bought for two reasons, bulletproof platform and simplicity.

[@MyATVlife]

Just bought a 2024 T7 a few days ago. It's the bike I've had my eye on for over a year now. When the Tuareg, the Vstrom800, and the Transalp all came out they sparked my interest, but never quite took my eye off the T7 for very long.

[@steinerair71]

Same here… just bought mine 10/3

[@SCORPi0N5150]

I agree fully about the suspension being harsh & not confidence inspiring in stock form. Installed Ohlins cartridge kit & rear shock on my 2022 & it completely transformed the bike & my confidence level + comfort on it.

[@mikerider58]

I've seen these bikes being rode extremely hard in the Australian outback by experienced motocross riders , great bikes for the price. If you want all the extras, cruise control etc there is the BMW 1300 25K. This Yamaha in the right hands is a phenomenal machine.

[@angrytuareg]

Aprilia Tuareg same price tubeless wheels cruise control quick shifter up and down not as top heavy I love the Yamaha motor but that's it I can't believe they've just updated the LCD basically ...that's it

[@chrisvito007]

@@angrytuareg& 1/4 of the reliability!

[@Dar7635]

​@@chrisvito007says who? Any stats?

[@chrisvito007]

@@Dar7635I wish I had stats cause I’d bet ya a ton & I’d win! The Aprillia is great value but it ain’t holding a candle to a T7 for reliability.

[@angrytuareg]

@@chrisvito007 lol yeah ok let me guess biden's a good president too right

[@mbal4052]

I bought my 2022 model with 1000 miles on it for £7200, it had a few nice mods too. Absolutely brilliant bike for that money, I did 4000 miles on it this year and can’t wait to go on a few adventures on it next year. I have an S1000R and I hardly ride it now.

[@jrainfinite]

For the fuel cap, its understandable in my opinion and a welcome update. From experience going to other countries, there is not always fuel pumps available. So the flip up fuel cap got in the way most of the time. When locals were using 2 liter cokes bottles with fuel in them to sell us. I am down for the removable fuel cap makes things easier when traveling other countries.

[@russellborn515]

Hadn't thought of that, but good point.

[@jaygmiata1833]

Goodmorning from Greece Ian, thanks for one more review. After many motorcycles owing europian and japan made , i chose the new tenere that i will pick from the store tomorrow morning. After i drove all of the middleweight adventure i just couldn't let go the cp2 feeling . After almost 10 motorcycles from 8hp to 190hp, that is the first time on my 36 years i pick the same brand and especialy the same motor that i had before on my 21' mt07. That last sentence says a lot i think. Cheers !!!

[@RUSTl929]

To anyone thinking about a T7, just do it! Had the chance to choose between 23 Touareg and 22 T7 world raid. Went with the T7. First week, 1000km and it's awesome in all weather and all terrain. That coming from a background on superbikes, nakeds, ktms (light enduro) and bobbers. With most other ones I always looked at the weather and most of the times choose the bike only with good weather. Now i don't care where and when I ride, as long as I get to ride it. Detours as much as i have time and options. Random rides to nowhere, literally just looking at a direction/road and seeing what's at the end, even when the road ends. The bike is top heavy, agreed. I look at it from the perspective, if I am having issues lifting it, I need to learn to ride better or start working out. Otherwise, awesome. Leovince exhaust, thicker bash quard and front crash bars. T7 World Raid doesnt need anything else imo.

[@habibi750]

We don’t get the world raid model in the US

[@larsfischer3086]

Definitely yes, cause maybe apart from the Royal Enfields the t7 is the only bike left without all kind of electronics, which I personally do not want anyway. Just turn the key & go. No drive modes, no traction control (apart from your right hand), no menu scrolling for whatever - what a relieve.

[@trapskilla]

The only upgrade to the 2024 that I really like is the new blinkers. All the other tech is noise to me. Part of why I like the T7 so much is because of how raw it is. The only limiting factor for this bike is its rider. Other bikes have more or do certain things better but none are as raw and trashable as the T7

[@HomoHereticus]

I just bought a t7 today! I've ridden tested everything in the price segment. T7 makes me smile the most, both on and off road. 😃

[@jaybosher6144]

wait til you put a slip on (go high mount and save your swingarm). the sound just gets better

[@antoniopalma-i5b]

The T7 is in a class by itself. I agree it doesn’t have traction control , cruise control, bells and whistles, etc., but it teaches me to be a better rider and I appreciate that. There’s no other bike out there that I would take to the tip of Baja California and back from San Diego. Thank for the review Ian

[@C_R_O_M________]

If you need TC to ride an adventure motorcycle you are in the wrong category of bikes. Never had the need for one even in the hypersport category myself.

[@2lbsTrigrPull]

TC for 70ish PS bike? hahaha At least the TFT will make you a better rider. 😂😆

[@gbner9991]

​@@2lbsTrigrPulltried TC on a 690 and it worked superbly, you don't feel much but the tire just hooks up perfectly. I don't need it but it's nice to have. And it will prevent you from losing the rear wheel on the road if you hit a slippery patch of whatever mid corner. I'm sure at some point the T7 will have it too.

[@JoseAlvarez-dl3hm]

no excuse since it costs as if it had all those belt and whistles

[@jeffjohnsonfutdoc]

I really agree. I'd rather NOT have all those so-called bells and whistles and simply be a better rider. I had none of those bells and whistles growing up and don't think I need them today at age 60 either.

[@chukku2175]

Most importantly: The T7 is by far the best looking midsize ADV bike. But other than that I would choose the Tuareg over the T7 again in a heartbeat. The suspension alone is worth the slightly higher price two-fold. Plus the better electronics plus the lower center of gravity... I just wish I had the T7 optics ;)

[@DB-sd3cw]

Has it broken down yet?

[@chukku2175]

21.000 km, no issues so far. A lot of that pretty tough off road. Except for a broke fuel capacity sensor, which I would count as a "less than minor" issue.

[@mikemerrill175]

Great review. 2 weeks ago I watched Jimmy Lewis ride his Tenre over a 3’ log multiple times & then pop it up and ride the length of the log! So the bike is as capable as the rider IMO

[@skiphalbakken6499]

I love the simplicity of my T7.

[@bikersquest]

I think the lack of downshifting is due to it not being ride by wire so the computer can't blip the throttle. Upshifts that obviously doesn't matter.

[@alexmoreno8156]

What he said! I do think it’s silly Yamaha hasn’t switched the T7 to throttle by wire and added cruise control.

[@gbner9991]

@@bobsacamano5639 I'm sure Yamaha will update the whole CP2 platform to RBW at some point. There is big advantages in it for the Tracer and MT as well.

[@tman7449]

What a beautiful intro! Not expecting that. Love your perspective!

[@osimnod]

Another honest review and excellent comparison to its competitors. On your music choice, I personally appreciate it. No head-banging, ear drum-bleeding heavy metal noise.

[@pwinter_USAF_83]

I have a 2022 T7 and I love the reliability and its capability. I'm the traction control. Yeah, I had to spend a bit of money to get it set up the way I wanted, and armored up for off road riding. I agree with your review of the T7, Ian. If there was one thing that I wish Yamaha would include with the T7 it would be factory cruise control. My only complaint is that I do consider the bike to be top heavy. Overall, this bike is a keeper for me.

[@inthewind773]

From what I've gathered (unofficially), the World Raid and Extreme T7s are manufactured in the European plant (France, I believe) and US import tariffs cut too far into Yamaha's bottom line to make them profitable in the US. Shame, because the World Raid would be the one to get in the US with its better suspension, lower center of gravity, better wind protection and much longer range. I think a real alternative may be the updated base model 2024 Africa Twin. Finally tubeless and you can now option the semi-active suspension. Plus you get cruise and built-in navigation (Apple carplay) and a more powerful engine all for nearly the same weight as the World Raid. Looking forward to testing one when it's finally released.

[@Xavii1986]

Not sure about the lower centre of gravity, i’m About to test a world raid tomorrow but i already sat on one in the shop. The tank is reaaally bulky from the riders perspective.

[@ninjazxd]

Austrian bikes and Italian bikes come from Europe over to the US just fine so the tariff may not be the issue.

[@johnpanick6080]

The US needs the World Raid. Tubless wheels and its perfect.

[@erictavares678]

Sacrebleu!

[@Rickmac22]

Holy holy, great music intro! Your content just keeps getting BETTER! Great review, but even better production, you've become my go-to motorcycle reviewer. Thanks for all your hard work.

[@camerontrudeau4974]

I bought my tenere for its simplicity. I think that’s its big advantage. The elephant in the room is the exhaust design. Making a high exhaust standard instead of having to deep dive into the aftermarket would be the best improvement they could make.

[@gregjoubert5118]

Tubeless and cruise and I would jump on this bike. And, I would be willing to pay more to get both from the factory. My only questionable thing about it is the exhaust hanger. I remember a lot of discussion of how it's welded and can cause frame damage in a fall.

[@jaybosher6144]

Cruise can't happen since its a cable run Throttle but tubeless would be amazing. The aftermarket rims I've seen are 2k alone. At the scale yamaha could order it would be an instant value add on for every unit

[@BERZERKERSV4]

Exactly… and considering leftover 2023 Tuaregs are being advertised for under $1Ok….it’s a no brainer.. thus why I purchase a Black/Acid Gold Tuareg…and if you look at the build quality of the Aprilia vs Tuareg..that’s another no brainer…

[@Adventure_blac]

@@BERZERKERSV4💯

[@elindenstein]

I've now got 11,000 miles on my 2022 and have made some significant investments in it: Tubeless rims, a high mount exhaust and Seat Concepts for a start. But also a new rear spring, I lowered it 1.5" to better fit me, new handlebars, better handguards, an Acerbis 6.1g tank, etc. It's perfect for me and I am looking forward to another 50k miles or more.

[@AndyPat239]

what was the cost of these mods? did you do it in one hit?

[@churchofbrap876]

What brand of tubeless wheels?

[@elindenstein]

A lot. The wheels were like $2500 after tax and shipping. Seat was $350; Exhaust was $250. Most of the other items were under $200. I paid $10,300 for the bike and then probably have spent about $4,000 total in mods, but it's now exactly what I would want out of an ADV bike and fits me perfectly@@AndyPat239

[@zzxx33mh]

..auxiliary lights need..and new costume graphic..

[@elindenstein]

@@zzxx33mh I put aux lights on mine

[@adriangedamke2069]

T7 is the one to get as you don't need the software alot of other manufacturers give so well done Yamaha for giving us a relatively simple bike to go down your local street or adventure riding.😊

[@danielklopp7007]

If you were going to sell all your worldly goods and hit the road for a round-the--world adventure, the T7 would be THE bike of choice. Add the rear Camel tank, skid plate, crash bars, and aftermarket exhaust (i.e. saw off the welded hanger bracket and go to a clamp-on style). Tube-type tires (longer trail-side repairs, but more repairable than tubeless tires for a wider variety of issues), along with the T7's legendary reliability and parts availability around the world would give peace-of-mind while traversing Siberia or the Aussie Outback. On the other hand, if you live in North America and your use-case is profiling at the local Starbucks (or Tim Hortons), then one of the other mid-side adventure bikes is probably your best bet.

[@GibbAsp]

A review that actually describes the bike from the BRM perspective that does not pull any punches. Just what prospective buyers need to make a choice.

[@podunkman2709]

😂😂 This is producer demo... so try again

[@marcberland5951]

The quick shifter working up-only is (as far as I know) due to an actual throttle cable and no ride by wire -> no „gas“ (don‘t know the correct english term) by electronics on shifting down. It does not bother me though. Works nicely for shifting up and I like to use the engine break when shifting down manually.

[@tactical1224]

Ian, I agree with your assessments regarding the fuel cap, abs issues, welded on subframe etc. That being said, the engine is fantastic and the bike as a whole is outstanding. I see you putting another T7 in your garage again in the not too distant future!

[@motoman7445]

First thing you should do when you get a new motorcycle is set up your sag to find out where you are in the suspension travel. Do this before you start making changes to any adjustments. Many people never do this and are missing out on a properly setup suspension.

[@brownneedles6045]

Bach! Loved your first T7 vid. Well done again.

[@advredbikes]

Thanks Ian for the great review. Fabulous scenery and footage!

[@byronchesebro3125]

Another thorough and honest review. I own a 390 Adventure and love it but I wish it had more travel and a 21 inch front wheel. If I were to buy a midsize adventure based on all my research it would probably be the Tuareg because of the low center of gravity, tubeless tires, low weight , high quality suspension and great engine. What a bargain IMO. I wish it had 100 HP but I could live without it. I suspect that the KTM 890 would be too harsh/stiff and I like my suspension plush, cost is another negative and they have their issues.

[@pepperthepep]

There will be a new 390 Adventure in 2024/2025 which should finally gives us everything we wanted in the current 390.

[@rhamjasrami3900]

Quickshifter up only is possibly to do with it having cable throttle? I'd imagine an auto-blip might not be programmable without electronic throttle bodies. Whereas they can probably still cut fuel for a moment with the cable setup making upshifts possible.

[@kuhndj67]

If I was looking for a middlewight adv bike and wanted as much analog as possible I'd definitely bias toward the T7. I personally don't mind tech so I'd PERSONALLY be more interested int the Tuareg or 890 if I was shopping for heavier bike that could still tackle dirt roads (I already had the Multi for that so opted for the 701 properly set up to give me a more capable 'dirt focused ADV' ride.) I'd personally not ding the T7 for suspension as long as the fundamentals are decent. I've modified the suspension on nearly every bike I've owned. As long as I can get good aftermarket components I don't care what the OEM stuff does. Top heavy is IMO a serious problem for "offroad adv" on a bike that is already (IMO) a hundred pounds too heavy to be seriously considered an offroad capable bike. If you have to take all the luggage off to have any chance of lifting it after a drop then that's not ideal - and that's where top heavy just makes it that much harder. For reference... my old Tiger 955 is 30lbs lighter than my Multistrada... yet I can pick up the Multi MUCH easer because the weight is carried so much lower on the bike. As for the 701... I've picked that bike up from a downhill lie (extra difficult) at nearly 13,000 feet (extra extra difficult) without taking off any of the luggage (you get the point... would be impossible on either of the other two). Weight is king offroad...

[@SEB-as]

Ok

[@jaybosher6144]

the dual tanks of the world raid address this but north america doesnt get the option :(

[@kristiankolst7007]

Price out the door here in Norway looks to be around 21k$ for the coming T7 World Rally - to put it in perspective, then 1k shy of the Norden 901 Expedition and Tiger Rally Pro, and those 9:50 got every bell and wisthle there is. Not saying that makes them a better choise for anyone, but it is realy competing in a premium league - the new saddle tank might bee good but it also might be shit on the first gen with it. What i dont understand is why every manufactorer dont try to copy KTMs low tanks? People love low center of gravity so much that it trumps the reliabilty for them, if i made adv bike then i would try to give people that

[@gbner9991]

@@kristiankolst7007 the T7 WR fuel tanks aren't even that low. The bulk of it is still higher up. KTM looks like a much better fuel tank design and the bike is basically crashproof from the factory, which is a big thing. I also don't really agree on the WR pricing currently and I have a 19' T7 myself.

[@kristiankolst7007]

@@gbner9991 the crashproofness is a good point! Why market a bike like the T7 like the real bushbeater of the segment and not have crashbar standard? I would like to like the T7, i realy do, but i can not atleast in my country see the value. But then again i ride a 27 years old Africa Twin so i already got the few things people like about it, reliabilty and no electronics xD it also got a billion liters fueltank to! :O

[@stoyan.zajec1966]

Hello from Greece!! I agree with everything you said and even though it now has so many competitors, it remains by far the prettiest one...

[@SPENJERE]

Great review, Yup if Yamaha wants to compete they are going to have to give us better KYB or Ohlins suspension. On a side note, prior to this video I just watched Brake Magazine's video review of the Norden 901 expedition. In that review we are treated to Suite bergamasque in the background, you treated us to Suite no1 in your review. IMHO classical music works quite well when paired with Adv bike riding, thank you sir. 🙏

[@alongshaw125]

Thanks for identifying the music. Had been a cluster foxtrot of a week and that piece was a chill pill.

[@TwoHawksHunting]

I think Yamaha is trying to keep the price of the base Tenere 700 low in comparison to the other middle weight ADVs. At least Yamaha did upgrade the TFT screen to include some suspension settings. If you're looking for a better stock seat, more HP, and better suspension there are other more expensive ADvs available. At least Yamaha updated the entire Tenere 700 line. Unfortunately, they never focused on steadily improving the Super Tenere after it was introduced.

[@thehoelzels6316]

One of the few motorcycles in this class that you can use regular unleaded fuel.... a true around the world motorcycle. Both Aprilia Tuareg 660 and Suzuki V-Strom 800DE require premium fuel. Perfect for populated areas but not remote adventures

[@gbner9991]

The octane thing is a myth

[@thehoelzels6316]

So just ignore the owners manual?

[@dankatz3]

I have the Aprilia. You can ride it on lower octane if it is not available without much of a loss. I still put premium since it is available most places. It is an excellent bike all around. Has been reliable for me and I appreciate it being a little shorter than the T7

[@downbytheriver501]

@@gbner9991so engine compression ratios are also a myth? Does my diesel run at the same compression as a 1991 Subaru loyale?

[@gbner9991]

@@downbytheriver501 the octane thing doesnt matter in 99% of places in the world where you will ever ride your ADV bike, and even then it will still run. Lyndon Poskitt rode KTM 690 and never said a word about octane ratings. The whole thing can be ignored when chosing a bike. I have a T7 myself but would gladly take more compression and some more power.

[@painsrides]

I was planning to buy a mid-size ADV(somehow I ended up with a DRz400, but this is another story), initially I was all about the T7, then Suzuki released the V-Strom 800DE and outside of styling the 800DE is better in every aspect, comfort, engine performance, lighting and most importantly suspension. This "updated" T7 does nothing to close the gap, in fact the ABS reset is a serious step back.

[@ntovouleon]

Ian, great discussion as always. It's a bummer you don't get to try the Extreme version, but as a 100+ kg amateur offroader, I believe that the stock suspension re-springed and correctly setup is enough for most riders. Unfortunately, my 2021 T7 was stolen on February and I am in the market of a new ADV. I tested the Tuareg and the KTM 790 and they are both incredible bikes. However, in Denmark they cost from 2k to 4.5k USD more than the T7, depending on the model year. So, I still prefer to buy a new T7 and spend the rest on, springs, comfort seat, and other accessories. Keep up the good work. 🍻

[@bigj2345]

Another great ride review, Ian. Your voice was a little more muffled than usual. It was a tough choice between the T7 and the 800DE. I bought the VStrom but I still covet the T7. Both are great bikes. You really can't go wrong with all these excellent choices in the midsized adv category.

[@scmike1229]

Main Divide, Indian Truck Trail, Wildomar, and surrounding areas were my stomping ground growing up, mostly on mountain bikes, with some 4x4. Now in Colorado and riding the front range. Looking at picking up a 2024 T7 this weekend. Thanks for the great videos!

[@dalemurray3647]

I ordered a T7 from Yamaha Canada after doing numerous tests rides on the bike. Waited months for the 2023 and my dealer was not even guaranteeing that I would get a 2024. The dealer also sells Suzuki. I tried the 800DE at a demo days and really enjoyed it so I cancelled my T7 order and bought the VStrom 800 that the dealer had on the showroom floor. No regrets. Love my VStrom. I think that if Yamaha would build more T7’s they would easily sell them, but who am I to say, I don’t work in their marketing department.

[@VanLifeRocks]

The Game Boy display is finally gone 😂 👍🏼 and I like the fact that dealerships finally have them in stock

[@gbner9991]

In regards to suspension, I find that the rear shock is hopping around a lot and tends to lose traction on bumpy grounds

[@hoganchild]

I haven't ridden any of the competition, but I've had a T7 for a couple years, and take it down some single track trails that would surprise a lot of people

[@mariomotorcyclediaries]

I did but, 'cause I'm in Italy I chose the World Raid version that adresses some of the drawbacks of the base model (suspensions and range mostly). I still do love the analog feel of this bike, without too many settings to think about while on the trail. Now I'm looking for a tubeless conversion kit to get rid of the puncture ordeal while riding in the trails

[@jaybosher6144]

id be curious if we could configure the aprillia wheels to work on our bikes. way cheaper to try to find a set used than the 2k aftermarket option

[@johannesvonhabsburg9925]

The T7 is a magnificent machine! There are many interesting choices available in the market today: pick what best fits your needs, preferences and budget. I just bought the Hornet 750 and am having an absolute blast! An adventure bike is still on my to do list! :-) The jury is still out on that one. So many ways to approach “off roading”! I love your geographical references about Southern California: lived there for 10 years before moving to Europe! Keep up the great work!

[@cranedaddy678]

Another good review Ian. I really look forward to your content. I like the T7 and always have, but the fuel capacity was a no go for me and I really REALLY love my Vstrom 800de :)

[@andrewoats3620]

World Raid solves the range issue.

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@andrewoats3620 world raid is too expensive for a 74hp bike.

[@davidcolinfisher1034]

You can buy aftermarket fuel tanks.....better to add liters, then to take them off. The DE800 is sweet for sure, but honestly I wouldn't ever use fuel capacity as a "deal breaker", there must have been other factors that made you go to the DE800. In a perfect world I would have both, equally great, but slightly different bikes. 17 inch wheel, vs 18 inch...and the heat that comes off the DE800's radiator I found to be a problem as I live in hot hot heat. The BMW beak on the DE always bothered me...a copy design in my view. But ya, the DE800 is a nice ride...a little heavier don't forget...I wonder where that weight is?

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@davidcolinfisher1034 It's the other way around. It was BMW that copied the older DR's beak design which you now think it was their idea when it was actually Suzuki's.

[@danielwallnofer9273]

I'm glad there's a good selection of medium-sized adventure bikes again. The three T (Tenere, Tuareg, Transalp) models are particularly exciting. Finally worthy successors for my 620 KTM and BMW F 800Gs

[@lewiss66]

What about the KTM 890 adv?

[@danielwallnofer9273]

@@lewiss66 No seriously, I would rather count the Husqvarna Norden Suzuki BMW 850/900 GS as the 890. It's a different category in terms of power alone

[@lifeontwowheels1206]

I would go for the world raid better suspension and I would definitely go Yamaha they are so reliable Don’t need to worry about breaking down in the middle of nowhere Less to Go wrong with it And it looks a lot better I would say Nice video, Ian keep up

[@BERZERKERSV4]

As a side note , leftover 2023 Tuaregs are being listed for under $10k… at that price point , it’s a no brained which bike I purchased..

[@ChrisSauer-oe5ve]

Right 🙌🥳

[@sergioj.c.5632]

Thanks a lot. With your videos is like to going to the school, to a good one, where you learn what useful and what you like. Your explanations are so good too, I am not English native speaker and just have intermediate lvl and even I have Motorbikes for a pair of years I know almost nothing but I can understand better now, thanks to you.

[@BigRockMoto]

Happy to hear that!

[@justintynan2435]

I have looking at some of the bigger adventure style bikes and I keep coming back the Tenere 700. I might look into getting towards the end of the year. I currently have a 2019 DRZ400SM, I used to have 2000 DRZ400S and a 2012 Kawasaki Versys 650. I think this would fit the type of riding I do the best.

[@richardwhitehead4684]

New to the Tenere world. I think I’d like to find a much earlier one, say 10 or so years ago. Problem is no one wants to sell them. Especially the single cyl models. No one seems to be letting those go. If there’s a secret place where people sell early Teneres, I’d love to know where it is.

[@Libroer]

Just bought a ‘24. Love it. Having to make suspension adjustments, and I’ll eventually respring it or do something to the suspension to upgrade it. But t let’s be honest here. We buy this bike because we can ride it anywhere without worrying about it failing on us, which means everything on an adventure bike, if remote places are where you want to go. That freedom from reliability anxiety is priceless. If the T7 ever loses that, it will lose its core value proposition.

[@rlovell383]

Upshift only quick-shift isn't weird at all. All older bikes, early adopters of quick shift were upshift only. The cable throttle cant blip the the throttle as needed for a downshift. Upshifting only requires cutting fuel/spark. I never noticed any "top heaviness" at all on my T7. Feels like a 450 pound ADV bike that handles beautifully at low speed. Feels more balanced than an 890 at low speed, and the tighter turning radius is a bonus. Next time try ADDING compression damping in the front. The stock settings blow through the travel and cause that harsh feeling you're describing. I actually dumped the stock oil out of the forks and went up to 15W Motul. Was a nice improvement and brought my clicker settings back towards the middle.

[@TerraMagnus]

Oooh I’ve been looking forward to this. Ian, you’re consistently one of my favorite channels to look forward to.

[@richarddevaottien7724]

It seems like garbage😂

[@TerraMagnus]

Ian, have you seen the spy videos on the 2025 KTM 390 Adventure? Super exciting. It looks like KTM is intending to take lightweight ADV segment very seriously, which could signal a market shift is underway.

[@JimKonugres]

Have a 790 now. Would sell it in a minute for the updated 390. Wish it was closer to 500 though

[@BigRockMoto]

It looks awesome to me

[@TerraMagnus]

@@JimKonugres I don't care about the displacement. They are squeezing a lot of beans out of the 390. And the curb weight is going down so power:weight ratio is going up. For any kind of off-road, I'm much more interested in low weight & higher power:weight. But really usable power that a thumper knows best how to give.

[@JimKonugres]

agreed, good points. @TerraMagnus

[@JimKonugres]

@@TerraMagnus good points!

[@daddio1954]

His TFT shows the mph. It does not before this. Anyone know how to adjust that? Mine just shows 0 mph like Ian’s until he switched it.

[@jibinraj6058]

My favourite bike currently in segment is 800 de when I use my brain and tuareg 660 when I use my heart.

[@thepub245]

Who cares about quickshifting? Its got two wheels and an engine that runs on good old petrol. Enjoy it for what it is, while you still have the chance.

[@BERZERKERSV4]

It’s “keep up with the Jones’” mentality.. it’s about how many electronic gimmicks that each manufacturer can add to keep up.. look at anything BMW … the quick shifter is just one of many BS examples….bragging rights at the local pub for the ADV Posers…

[@Adventure_blac]

@@BERZERKERSV4sure manufacturers have to keep up with what other manufacturers are doing but it certainly isn’t a gimmick. It’s also not included as standard. Even in bike where it is it can be turned off. I personally love them. Wouldn’t buy a bike without one. But i can see some people not wanting it. Unless you try it. Those that do, love it

[@squid148]

I love my quick shifter, but it’s definitely not a deal breaker.

[@wanderlpnw]

There's really no point in up shift only. You could just do a clutchless shift.

[@BERZERKERSV4]

@@Adventure_blacmy Tuareg has a quick shifter installed.. it’s worthless gimmick…what next ….air conditioning ?

[@richardramos9799]

Ian video is so clear, again another good review from you. Really appreciate your content.

[@hokogan]

Alternate take on top-heaviness: it keeps the T7 narrow. I have yet to try a Transalp, but the T7 feels like a big WR to me, as opposed to something like the KLR, A-Twin, or 790/890 ADV.

[@gbner9991]

I have a T7 and would love to ride an 890 once just to feel the much talked about low COG. The T7 is definetly top heavy at a standstill and difficult to keep upright when it leans, but you don't feel it while riding imo

[@silverdale3207]

@@gbner9991 I've ridden both, (own a T7, hired a 890 for 1800km ) my experience was that the high COG on the T7 made it better on road, better feel in corners and easier to keep straight at low speed, I didn't do offroad but I could see the KTM would be less of a handful to keep upright on tricky terrain.

[@kayagon]

those mods should have come last year, same time as the Europe model. had one on order last year and finally ended up buying an Africa Twin base and I don't regret it at all.

[@plasticbmw]

i just bought the Arai Xd4 and i love it other than one thing no one has mentioned. It whistles. pretty loud honestly. anyone notice that as well?

[@randydewees7338]

I have one - for a fullface it's kind of loud on the highway, but it doesn't whistle. I do like it.

[@glyndwr1282]

It does what it’s meant for . No electric gadgets that can let you down . Bomb proof cp2 engine and Yamaha quality. Got to be one of the best do it all bikes out there easily. Less is more when it comes to reliability

[@Nine_883]

I grew up in the city. We rode railroad tracks and the service trails along side the tracks. When you go 10mph on the tracks the ride is rough. When you hit 20-50 it’s smooth. Tells me the Tenere just needs to be ridden faster to smooth it out. 😅. You’re riding it too slow!

[@NathanCosgrove97]

Hey man, have you ridden a T7 with revalved suspension? Id love for you to ride mine. Bit far away in Australia haha but after not much money at all, my T7 is a magic cloud. Ive never had another bad corner since the suspension tune.

[@NathanCosgrove97]

The Tenere suspension on a dyno has virtually no damping at the start of its stroke. The forks are tunes terribly from stock and really doesnt do it justice.

[@tims728]

Hey mate, what suspension "tune" did you fit? Springs, oil, valving, please explain. Fellow Aussie asking.

[@NathanCosgrove97]

@tims728 Hey mate, Teknik suspension in Sydney. They work with RideADV and have bulk R&D. Im 90kg. I ordered the rear spring using their calculator. And then had them revalve my fork and shock. Its a proper game changer. It can jump now & brakes properly, it stays on its lines. Well worth the money. I think it was under $2k I think most suspension guys can improve the stock stuff easily though if youre a long way away. Ktech has a good kit also.

[@NathanCosgrove97]

@@tims728 if you start with anything. Get a rear spring first. Just that made a good difference. But the revalve is a new bike.

[@tims728]

@NathanCosgrove97 cheers for that, I did springs on a drz400e, didn't spend on the revalve as I put the cash in other areas of the bike, so know these things will make a difference, especially when building for the luggage weight as well. I did look at a T7 when getting a dirt bike, but went the yellow road. Had a few good trips on it, loops up north into the outback and Flinders Ranges, the dirt roads and station tracks great on the drz, but the bitumen road was a chore. As much as I like tech stuff and poke in a bike Ineed reliability. I'm now thinking of going the bigger bike, I can transfer my luggage system over I reckon. I can also live with a used bike to save a few bucks and put that into to suspension, seat and possible pipe upgrades. Seems there are T7's that have been used on road only, I'd be doing as much dirt as I can find. I love exploring, not gawking at other bikes at cafes. Cheers for locations for work, we have Hoey Racing in SA, he's very respected, if revalve was the go I'd try to use someone local, I can fit my own springs and do oil changes etc. Thanks for replying so quick, have a good'un😁

[@markymarkmoto]

36k on mine, I think it's fair to say I've beat the shit out of it. Last trip I was on was about 50 bikes. 11 of them were t7's, and while the KTM's were crashing and burning the whole trip (metaphorically), not a single t7 had a problem.

[@collin228]

Any Tuaregs? Did they do ok?

[@markymarkmoto]

@@collin228 Not that I saw, they're still fairly rare in the states

[@silverdale3207]

@@markymarkmoto I saw one for the first time here in NZ a couple of days ago, There's T7's everywhere. I think the Tuareg might be the best bike that nobody buys. T7 is a great bike for our terrain.

[@mrog777]

Nice review Ian...always the straight dope.

[@mateXone]

I was hoping to see new T7 2024 adventure with upgraded suspension but I forgot that bikes arrive to US with a delay. This bike has been already available for a year in Europe and Yamaha already upgraded T7 in EU for 2024 with new suspension. Addressing known issues.

[@markrichardson8382]

Ian, this is a tough one fro me based on reliability (Yamaha Tenere) vs something reasonably new to the market (Aprilia Tuareg)..... I'm 172cm with a 32 in seem. Logic says Yamie but heart says Aprilia. 6 months later I'm still in the same boat swaying side to side with this decision!!!! Keep up the great reviews and bikes coming to ya channel.

[@replica4132]

It doesn't have a downshift quickshifter because it has a cable driven throttle instead of an E-throttle. The computer can't rev the engine to compensate by itself. For people minded like me this is an upside, but for feature driven buyers it may come as a downside.

[@michaelschlup-c5o]

THANKS for mentioning the heat issue...i have ridden another on an 84 degree day and almost melted ... and also mentioning engine characteristics ...

[@daves.6778]

+ 9" travel? Tubeless rims? Cruise control? Ride mode memory? Sub 34" seat height? Still seems like a lot of gaps for a '24 adventure bike IMO.

[@butcherknife59knife46]

Ok I pulled the string on a 2019 African Twin black and gold with 4k miles and totally kitted for any type of riding. Sold the KTM ! I now have 2 gal more fuel and a total up grade electronics and controls 2024. Let’s ride UP DATE. 9/7/24 New 2024 T7 in the garage. Got a smoking deal no freight or set up. Blue of course. Waiting on some new parts but happy to have it. Pre Covid they were price gouging. Around Bend Oregon out on 2 wheels

[@longbow0728]

I'm one of those weirdos who is trading his 890 ADV r for a 23 T7. Yes, the motor and suspension are superior in performance off the lot on the 890. However, there is something to be said for simple oil, lube, tires, chain cleaning and adjustment Maintenence cycle without wondering if the 890 will leave me stranded as an often solo off road rider. Plus the T7 looks the business.

[@downbytheriver501]

I think the 890 looks amazing from the side. But the front? Oof. Talk about butter face.

[@chiptaxfree]

Keeping the excellent reviews coming!

[@knobbysidedown4258]

You have to have throttle-by-wire for the quick shift to work for downshifts so it could blip the throttle. When upshifting, it cuts ignition timing to take load off the transmission allowing shifts without using the clutch. Does the fuel gauge still only show the middle half of the fuel tank?

[@twowheelpursuits]

I have to ask what wireless mic set up you use? I could not get a Tenere in late 2021 so I opted for an Africa Twin Adventure Sport ES.....huge gas tank.....better suited for touring.

[@Edsdrafts]

I wish MT07 and Tenere had TC. Say what you want but for those who commute close in close to freezing temperatures often on wet roads it's a must. Heck my 125cc has it...

[@richardmagargal7533]

If you are headed where only dual sport bike should go, would you rather have a DesertX or T7?

[@NathanCosgrove97]

Man always a great video with strong comparisons without bagging out anyone's bike! Nice one. I love my T7. How do you like the looks of the new Vstrom? I think the 800de is one of the best looking adventure bikes of all time!

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

Do both the Trans Alp and T700 have 270 degree cranks? The last part of your video is my daily commute. Did you guys continue on north main decide south from the Wildomar OHV?

[@RamonRamirezVicioso]

What about the springs that you said were too 'soft' in your previous review, so they 'sank' too much for an average weight with reasonable amount of luggage? Has Yamaha improved that in your opinion? You say that it feels some harsh off-road, but not sure if that necessarily implies an affirmative answer to the question...

[@yorkchris10]

To commemorate 50 years of Yamaha in Canada , there is a Canadian Edition variation (graphics pack.) in 2024. Yamaha has made some updates to the CP2 for emissions, but the RBW must still lag.

[@huckabeyfamily9165]

I was excited to see you reviewing the newest T7 because I look at about everything you and Dork review. The longish Transalp reviews were well done and I was really considering it until the segment on living with the bike and the air cleaner section…big downer! What were they thinking? Take it to the dealer for a $200 air filter change? I live in Atlanta so I have good fire roads, but they are at least an hour of freeway away. The motor on the T7 and the 75-80 mph cruising would be a big plus over the 5 speed xr. I really enjoyed your review of this bike and the totally honest comparisons to other contenders.

[@ericschellenberger612]

Lots of great observations as always. I would still buy it. I have been riding my 2022 a lot more on the street than I ever thought I would and camping monthly on it. The T7 is fine for me on the street but more importantly for me just feels right when I take it off-road and fall back on skills from a lifetime of dirt bike riding. Mine is loaded with all the tasty dirt bike mods. But man, would I love to have the new 2024 ABS system! You spent a lot of time on gearing, go up to a 16T countershaft sprocket, cheap easy and effective. I ride long distances pretty regularly now on mine, a Sargent seat and sheepskin/airhog and you can ride all day. There's a seat solution for everyone out there but probably not the showroom one.

[@kericks1991]

Ian, you answered your own question here at the end on why they only included the upshift on the quickshifter and not a downshift: it’s the mechanical throttle body. They can cut the ignition on an upshift but cannot autoblip a downshift without fly by wire throttle body.

[@kyjelly5524]

Is the quick shifter an add on? Or on all the 2024 models ? I’m wondering if the new model is worth it. I can get a used bike with a few mods for like 9k or a new one with no mods for a few grand more. What did you guys pay out the door for a new 2024? The fees and stuff are expensive. Thanks.

[@williamrawls6003]

Thank you for the review, Picking up mine on Friday