‪@harleydavidson‬

[@NicePantsLance]

Very cool race! You can see the CVO jumps ahead a little bit at first, but just doesnt have the wicked top end of the Challenger! Its nice knowing you can have CVO power with just a tune

[@Ridingfish]

Well the Elite was pretty strong no tune either

[@NicePantsLance]

​@@Ridingfishi didnt realize the Elite was stock tune!! Wow that's extremely impressive.

[@mrh6825]

Ive been riding sport bikes since i was 16, and in the last 30 years ive seen at least 50 instances of newer riders getting too excited while racing and accidentally cover their rear brake because they didnt have proper foot placement. But, in the last 3 years of riding my Indian, never have i ever seen someone do it on a bagger! Lol good job Kev!

[@Ridingfish]

Yea, he never did any riding like that! Lol but there has to be a first!! Hahaha

[@mrh6825]

@Ridingfish lol then get buddy back out there! I love seeing other Indians on the road, smoking Harleys and Vaqueros!

[@mosgor]

Thanks for the video! The best of the best: ! Indian Challenger vs Harley-Davidson CVO. Recommended!

[@Ridingfish]

I'll find an ST!! Lol that's really the best HD!!

[@Ridingfish]

Thank you!!!

[@nephalemgt7659]

I love that you can see the exact instant the overhead cams shine and that it's after they were ahead lol

[@Ridingfish]

Hahah.. might have shined faster had I not spun so much!

[@mikehiggins9555]

I ride a 23 Challenger DH, and LOVE it, it's an amazing machine, and I believe the PP engine is a superior design. But, them Road Glides look fantastic

[@Ridingfish]

Heck yea!!

[@mikehiggins9555]

I personally love em both (I know there's this big "HD vs Indian" thing. But personally I think they're both awesome machines and the competition only serves all of us (the consumer) I highly doubt the HD baggers would have done what they did without Indian around.

[@TravelingTall]

Good video. Was he resting his foot on the brake? The 121 CVO and the Elite are closely matched.

[@Ridingfish]

We are not 100% sure, Kev might have been excited and was resting.. but he isn't sure and I don't have video telling h me otherwise.. but if it was stuck it was not when I rode the bike.. they are close for sure!.. Thank you for watching 👀

[@kevintatum2200]

It was that ghost brake 😂

[@richardcooper7047]

ohh Ohh OHH!! Ohh LaaLaa!!! Great video!! Love these comparisons .

[@Ridingfish]

Thank you so much!! I appreciate the kind words!

[@justjae706]

All I’m saying is, Kevs bike is a good bit heavier too, he’s got all the extra speakers that’s added weight 😂

[@Ridingfish]

Hahaha that's soo funny but also very true!

[@coryshockman]

That CVO has 10" speakers in each bag as well.

[@Ridingfish]

I believe so

[@Baggersandbs]

The biggest issue for me is that I have a 23 that cannot be tuned. with zero remedy as far as I know

[@AskaFam]

Patience grasshopper

[@Ridingfish]

I hear you!!!!! It's coming.. then we have heard that for a long time!!

[@AskaFam]

@@Ridingfish I’d rather wait with wilful hope than a certain negative. 🤘

[@gilbertdiaz2500]

Need more comparison videos..fun to mess with my Harley buddies.

[@AskaFam]

Looks like the Elite has enough juice after all 😁

[@Ridingfish]

Little run down but yea!!

[@MarcusTurner-b6e]

Nice review keep up the good work fellas

[@Ridingfish]

Thank you!!

[@GameboyFL]

Riding fish dude you are a guy to admire. Good work.

[@Ridingfish]

Thank you!! I appreciate the kind words!!

[@painsrides]

Fun video ....got to love Mexico 😎

[@Ridingfish]

🇲🇽 🇲🇽 💪 💪 💪 thank you!!

[@_MysticRogue]

Hey Ridingfish. The 2024 Elite has the Ciro bag lights on the back. I have the same bike and just purchased the same lights. Can you help me with any install tips/tricks/lessons learned on removal of the OG lights and installation of the new ones?

[@Ridingfish]

I can probably do this!! I would say a piece of fishing line to cut through and then goo-gone to get the left over glue off then that's it..

[@Dnewman3402-6]

Install a good two into one exhaust, a good cam, larger throttle body, bigger air filter, and a Power Vision fuel tuner. Then put the 121 HD on the dyno and this will a much different race. The HD 121 CVO is way too restricted by the EPA.

[@billfischer8057]

Do it so I can beat it with my challenger lmao

[@AskaFam]

And mod for mod the Challenger still while the CVO.

[@hawkes123456]

Ya, so dump another 5+ grand into the $50,000 bike to maybe keep up with the indian lol

[@tabootaboo384]

They all sound amazing and look good but them challenger’s are hella fast

[@Ridingfish]

100% they were running!!

[@hausofburgess8400]

Now this was a good one

[@Ridingfish]

Thank you

[@bikerinbeta]

4:01 You can see his foot on the brake pedal

[@Ridingfish]

@@bikerinbeta 😄 😢 😭

[@dc117748]

Kool video guys I like it a lot but you didn't really eat up the Cvo!! You did what Indian is known for, being faster with the fully liquid cooled engine! Everyone knows that fully liquid cooled engine creat more power usually!! Kings of the baggers racing actually shows thats witch why the rules allow More displacement for Harley Davidson engines but still Indian in most cases are faster just not always quicker out of turns and curves!

[@chrishunter5041]

It's not what we ride that matters, it's that we ride that matters.

[@Ridingfish]

I 100% agree with this.. but I have also been asked a million times to do this type of thing.. so I couldn't help but make it happen

[@nightfirem10]

Hey fish, is there a tune for the 23 challengers out there yet? Dying to remove the speed limiter off mine, keep getting run down by pan americas and not happy lol!

[@Ridingfish]

Not that I'm hearing right now! They will run around you around 90 .. Pan Ams are fast!

[@chiefjoseph8154]

There is no comparison: The challenger is in a class by itself. If you want comparisons use the Scout, Chief, Chieftain, Roadmaster. When HD makes a liquid cooled cruiser then you can do a comparison.

[@Ridingfish]

💪 💪

[@indiansmoke2716]

Indian does a lot more with a lot less. Higher performing bike with smaller motor, smaller price. Gotta love it, dont even bring out then 112 for these CVOs. 😂😂😂

[@Ridingfish]

The 112 set up is so much fun!!! Lol 😆 great bikes!!

[@markmcintosh7095]

I had a friend do the same thing. Destroyed the rotor.

[@Ridingfish]

His isn't hurt but it was not happy!!

[@kevintatum2200]

She was just a little smoky 😂

[@Baggersandbs]

Fantastic video thought brother

[@Ridingfish]

Thank you so much!!

[@GearHeadMoto]

Take the speakers out of that Challenger Elite and see how much quicker that bike really is.

[@Ridingfish]

To be fair, ALL the bikes have big speakers!!

[@bradlozano2571]

Well it looks to me that a Bone Stock CVO 121 beats the Bone Stock Challenger Elite...Now the Challenger Base has the Stage1 with a Aftermarket 2 into 1 pipe isnt Bone Stock...Now lets see what a CVO 121 with a Stage 1 upgrade and a 2 into 1 pipe does against the Challenger Base?

[@Ridingfish]

I'll say I believe I ran the CVO down on the bone stock Elite and that was after I spun through the start.. but I never said the white bike was stock I said it had an exhaust and tune.. but that's it.

[@Ridingfish]

I'm looking for the ST CVO... thats what I want next haha

[@bradlozano2571]

@@Ridingfish Your Bike with a Big Bore...Cam...Tune...and 2 into 1 should Blow away a Bone Stock CVO ST...But one that has all the upgrades as yours?....Now thats a Race...

[@Ridingfish]

Yea, 112 vs 121 with cam and tune.. I mean it could be interesting.. but ill run the 135 also.. lol it's all fun and we win some lose some and it's not always the motorcycles that make the end result.. thats why we do these experiments (for science) 💪 💪

[@DanielSawn]

Brad needs glasses lol

[@1Phatm9]

Kev isn't allowed to race any1 ever :)😅

[@Ridingfish]

Him and I are going to go over a couple things. I'm putting my guy right back o. The horse!! 💪 💪

[@1Phatm9]

@Ridingfish ok I'm trusting you to get him together b4 the next race 😀

[@Ridingfish]

@1Phatm9 he will be ready!! He was in audio mode not science mode!! 💪

[@kevintatum2200]

My man is going to get me right.😅

[@drewloney]

When you talk price comparison CVO vs Elite you should be using CVO in Whiskey Neat paintjob from HD, that would be more even comparison, and puts the Elite way out in front on pricing. Will be interesting when IM put out the 112cu in motors in 2025 models they will stomp all over the HD 121 further. Bring on the factory IM 112 Challenger vs factory HD 121 CVO ST head-to-head, now that will be interesting !!

[@Ridingfish]

💪 💪 💪 100% you are correct!! But I was trying to compare what I had in the moment.. lol 😆 and it was not a full on comparison as I didn't talk about fit and finish type stuff this was power and suspension ans let's see how they line up!

[@willydiesel2081]

I have a 23 Challenger and I like the Harley Fairing more

[@Ridingfish]

💪 💪 💪 when I sold my Vic for the Challenger I personally didn't like the Challenger eleven close looks wise VS the Magnum.. but its so much better of a bike..lol

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

All Indian models are way better engineered than any Harley model. In fact, Harley can thank Indian for pressuring Harley to make a better Harley in the last 10 years. Not better engineered than Indian motorcycles, just a better Harley-Davidson.

[@Ridingfish]

#facts

[@MaxJW-ln4xm]

Kevin better stick to sound offs & cruising the neighborhood. His set up is his, but going back to when the videos came out, if you're not riding for performance, you're just riding ... And going out to race anybody casual, drag strip, track, he's just not set up to do it. Get a different set of bags with no stereo chit in them & get a 2 into decent pipe & he might (keyword there is might be ready for some game. Otherwise, stay on the sidelines & be a spectator..... I'll keep watching......

[@wnt2gofst]

Looks like stock to stock the cvo won pretty easily.

[@Ridingfish]

Even when I took over?! But I'm looking to run it back..lol maybe less spin!! 😏

[@wnt2gofst]

@@Ridingfish when you took over looks like he was out of it, he even started signaling with his hand. But run it back. Also put you on the cvo if your the better rider.

[@mrdude3540]

That Harley got smoked. That’s all I gotta say.

[@Ridingfish]

💪 💪

[@mrdude3540]

@@Ridingfish these are the type of videos I love to see make more like this.

[@Ridingfish]

@mrdude3540 I love making them.. there is a time in Minnesota it's very hard to do these.. thank you for watching ..I have some fun plans this summer for cool stuff like this!

[@mrdude3540]

@@Ridingfish awesome look forward to seeing them. If you ever come to northern California, hit me up i’ll show you all the bad ass routes and bars. Haha

[@Ridingfish]

@@mrdude3540 deal!!! 💪 💪

[@Kjp-hf7hp]

The 121 cvo is clearly much slower

[@crazyjay2101]

I recognize that highway haha 🤣

[@Ridingfish]

You been to Mexico!!! Heck yea

[@crazyjay2101]

@@Ridingfish I have indeed had I knew you would've been my neck of the woods. I'd definitely come and saw ya

[@Ridingfish]

@crazyjay2101 I'll be honest it was a last min trip and I 100% forgot to put it one youtube!! It was on IG and FB tho.. sorry I really did drop the ball!!

[@toddmorris2353]

If it’s tuned and a 112 then it’s not bone stock lol

[@Ridingfish]

The Elite is bone stock

[@GEN084]

Goldwing will beat them all 💪🏾 with no mods

[@Ridingfish]

Lol 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️??

[@GEN084]

@@Ridingfish next video.. Harley 121, your Indian, and a gold wing.. all in the same category

[@michaelroy925]

Harley fairing is Way better looking than the Indian 😁😎

[@curtisg5117]

Wholly Indian fan boys lol... Only way the stock cvo loses to stock Indian is when The Harley hits there 112 speed limiter and will not go over 112 at all will hold it steady though. I Hope you know the cvo 121 bike is so new that tuners are not out except Se tuner which does not change rpm or speed limit and harley has a 112-speed limit which I hit fast. Next that air box is the worst I have ever got stock on a Harley shame on them I got 9hp and 7tq swapping to se air filter. I have khrome werks slip-on's SE air filter and se tuner till someone has a good tuner like dynojet. If any Indian in CT wants to meet up I would be up for some good fun! I see testing done121 cvo pre release tuner with just air filter and 2-1 pipe looking good 141 hp 150 tq waiting for them to release stock for the money will be hard to beat my 2023 was 44 out the door

[@billfischer8057]

The elite was pushing the brakes to the point of making the rotor smoke lmao it’s limited to 110 so when it passed the cvo neither had hit the limiter cvo can lose to my challenger anytime but I’m in Florida so not wasting the time unless you make it worth it $$$

[@billfischer8057]

And the elite can’t be tuned either same ecu as thr new cvos

[@AskaFam]

Dude, do you even know the basics about these bikes… because you seem to not know jack shit and are just talking out your ass.

[@NicePantsLance]

Even if the CVO is a tad quicker than the stock Challenger, its a $45k motorcycle. You can find Challengers for $18k with low miles. You can see from the first race that an exhaust and a tune makes a Challenger faster than the CVO and the 112 big bore kit makes it EPICLY faster than the CVO. The cost to performance ratio of the Challenger is just so much better. There's cammed 112ci Challengers making 130whp/150lb-ft. If anything, the 121 vvt BETTER make 140whp/150ft-lb with a tune and some mods. Otherwise what's the point of the CVO? Fancy paint and bragging right? Naw, if im spending $50k on a motorcycle, it better be the baddest thing around by a long shot

[@curtisg5117]

@@billfischer8057 First off taking off from the light the cvo took him then he looked like he backed off because he felt he won I rewatched it again then red fish said bye bye in the video made a move to pass.. when cvo guy saw that he hit it again and was surging again! which makes cvo 2-0 lol also red fish said he made a mistake with traction control off spun tires. On my cvo I would want it tc off as well with custom mode, so it does not limit my power just have to practice off the line to not spin or wheelie lol I only race for fun anyway when people put money up it's not as friendly.

[@ZoePaschalis]

Very stupid racing on the street. Go to the track and see who is faster

[@tjmac1453]

WOW bad brake, literally. LOL

[@Ridingfish]

We are pretty sure it was a heavy foot

[@kevintatum2200]

I don’t know what you’re talking about 😂

[@darcher5888]

I rode a Challenger with a Sawicki and RVS tune for 2yrs and it smoked every Harley I ever ran. Now if you dropped $12k on the motor, HD can win! lol! I’m on a BMW K1600 Bagger now and it will smoke any Challenger!

[@Ridingfish]

K1600 are not joke.. like 165 HP... I ran one once and I hung pretty strong til around 100

[@etishbite456]

K1600 is literally a sports bike with bags lol