The REAL Reason Norway Is The World Leader In EVs!

[@omelvold]

Very well explained! I really like the historical aspect which I think is often overlooked.

[@robertkempe2730]

Oil-washing - ever wondered how those massive incentives are financed?

[@SirHackaL0t.]

The real reason is TeslaBjorn!

[@epoxy1710]

Yeee a guy ho gets 20k views changes a country. Most people with money still buy big V8 power

[@SirHackaL0t.]

@@epoxy1710 Apparently guys who are compensating also have a lack of sense of humour.

[@bitucoo]

Awesome video, Kris! I've tried to explain this to my friends back in Brasil as they think I'm super rich because I'm using an EV when actually is for saving money :D

[@marcuslejona]

The only thing cheap in Norway is EVs everything else is crazy expensive.

[@Tommy-vj2mc]

Spot on. I can afford a Tesla Model 3, but I can't afford eating out often. That's just how the costs are in Norway...

[@Tberg81]

yeah, give max 2 - 3 years and the VAT will be introduced on EVs as well, The way things are going Norway will not sell any new fossil cars after 2025 and the government will want their money.

[@pauleheisterbademeister7325]

@@Tberg81 yes but you also have high income and Good Social system, in all european nordish countries.

[@tucsonor]

@@Tommy-vj2mc but you do not starve.

[@Moshpitssser]

EVs (for me) and diapers (for my kids) :)

[@72freson]

Great Video! I think that one FUNDAMENTAL reson why the EV:s took of in Norway is the almost total lack of domestic production of cars... In almost all other countries in Europe there is carfactories/manufacturers that would be severly damaged whith a "too quick" move from ICE to EV:s....so the car lobby has been strong in Europe against too big of difference in taxation of ICE compared to EV:s in the last couple of years....however, now that the "legacy" manufacturers has "catched up abit" rest of Europe will increase the speed in moving from ICE to EV:s

[@larrysmith6797]

Wrong, idiot. Norway pays for EV giveaways by exporting oil, period.

[@tormodaas4005]

@@larrysmith6797 No, he has a point...furthermore, a lot of car manufacturers bought companies and patents for EV-solutions, to block other car companies from produsing EV's. Also remember that the owners of oil companies also had a lot of stocks in car companies to influence them in the oil direction. Norway didn't pay for EV's - they just avoided using EVs as a milk cow for the social democratic society, like they do for non-EV cars...where car taxes has paid for schools and opera buildings...

[@Giorg189]

@@larrysmith6797 True, Norway is paying for EV incentives with dirty oil and gas.

[@aerotus888]

Ouch. Sorry to hear about your knee issues. That is a real bummer! Hopefully it is your left knee! Wishing you a speedy recovery!

[@TheTimban]

I wonder, why some people still buy a combustion engine car in Norway? They must be dumb...

[@larrysmith6797]

They don't want to waste their lives at Circle-K charging with Bjorn sleeping in a Tesla and this idiot.

[@toonylcfc781]

@@larrysmith6797 most people have chargers at home

[@rongosund111]

Sounds like Larry is a fan of Bjorn's.. only in denial..

[@DuchWarczacy]

@@larrysmith6797 you make my day. xD

[@monkeydui7241]

Or they love driving

[@pauleheisterbademeister7325]

The electricity Rates in norway are also very cheap compared to Germany we pay 0.30€ per kWh in norway 0.10€ per kwh. Also the BMW i3 came very early.

[@jenspetterabrahamsen9333]

Electricity doubled in price this year here in Norway. Now it’s €0.20. Due to a cable to Germany allowing selling the electricity to Germany among other things.

[@DuchWarczacy]

Plus in Norway we have to pay for nettleie. Last Month I paid about 1400NOK. 400-500NOk for electricity+800NOK Nettleie. More for this sh... Than electricity Its not internet. Google it

[@pauleheisterbademeister7325]

@@DuchWarczacy omg 1400 nok nettleie is extreme, Jr makes it very expensive if you dont use much

[@jondigene2233]

To make a long story short... Cars are are taxed very harshly and thus cars are very expensive in Norway. EV's are not, so EV's cost more or less the same as cars do everywhere else, but "normal" cars are double price compared to most other countries.

[@howiemeltzer7040]

We don't have a national VAT but we do have local sales taxes. In Washington State it's 6.5% plus local city and county taxes. Where I live the local tax is 2.2% for a total of 8.7%. In Washington we get a tax exemption on the first $16,000 of the cost of a used EV that sells for under $30,000. For example, I know of a 28kwh Ioniq for $16,500 so I'd only have to pay sales tax on $500. That's in Seattle where the total tax is 10.25%. Sadly, we don't get many of the European EVs here.

[@pete9b]

Great video Kris, thanks for sharing!..

[@michaelwhite6461]

I'm a brit who has lived in Norway since 2001 - this is bang on. The main reason IS that normal cars are insanely expensive, so EV's come out cheaper. However, from next year anything over 500 thousand Kroner, will have to pay VAT on the amount over 500K. I've ordered a Skoda Enyaq, which has a price around 600K so I'll be paying 25000 extra in tax for the 100000 over the limit

[@KillianAirPeier]

Woow. That was a truly great video. I’m not from Norway so didn’t know any of that. But what you explained was really interesting. Great work you did 👏👏 thanks 🙏

[@ecliptic21]

Great video. The problem in South Africa, at the moment is that the import duties and Vat on EVs are much higher than for combustion vehicles. Hoping they will drop those taxes to make EVs cheaper in South Africa soon.

[@DanielR.122]

I hope everywhere in the world will happen exactly this :)

[@teknofil007]

No taxes on electric cars. No VAT or one-time fee. My Volvo xc40 costs 699,000 kroner in Sweden, I paid 499,000 kroner. This is probably the first and last time we get to buy new cars without a penny in taxes.

[@mrawesomeDK]

Basically, everyone else has stupid governments. As a neighboring Dane I can only watch as they raise taxes on EV's during the next decade, while doing absolutely nothing to expand charging infrastructure. 50% of the Danish population live in apartment buildings, and cannot have a home charger.

[@thorsev6960]

It also helps that electricity in Norway is 2-3x cheaper than in most other european countries.

[@larrysmith6797]

Because they subsidize electricity by exporting oil, Dummy.

[@nielsdebakker3283]

@@larrysmith6797 Indeed, the CO2 dealer is not smoking. + Norway has hydro electricity, so less need to fire electric plants with combustible matter.

[@IvarMinken]

Nice summary Kris👍. But you forgot another reason the EVs are more popular than in many other coutries: The electricity in Norway are almost 100% hydro-electricity produced in our many waterfalls. In most other coutries you can not drive an EV with fossile free electricity. And that argument often are heard in the discussion here in Norway.

[@tesladalmatian3475]

Fun fact: Although Norway production of electricity could cover 98% of domestic needs, only about 65% is used for that purpose, the rest is sold and supplemented by electricity generated through fossil fuels. The problem is one cannot store that amount of produced electricity, so they have to sell it immediately.

[@palleericsson8939]

@@tesladalmatian3475 Im sorry to say but you are wrong Its very easy to adjust Hydro/water power output based on demand and supply You just keep the water in your water reservoir until you need it Norway usually sell to the Nordic countries and Sweden usually sells to Finland and the Baltic states during Winter Fun Fact : When its blowing a lot in Denmark and Sweden , Norway cuts down on the Hydropower output and import cheap electricty produced by WIndpower for almost nothing because Denmark have 0% Hydropower and can not store it When the wind dies Norway then sells back the electricity the have stored in water reservoir for a much higher price The just open the hydro power dam doors again and start to produce more electricity For Realtime production data in the _Nordic Region /Hydro/wind Please se below www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/

[@AhBeeDoi]

Correction on VAT in the US. It's true that there isn't a national VAT as in many other countries but the individual states have a sales tax programs, which vary from state to state.

[@ronalddolman2654]

Nice informative video, thanks for explaining Kris! The Netherlands has a similar tax system for motor vehicles based on an one-off VAT (21%) and BPM (tax on passenger cars and motorcycles) which is based on CO2 emissions (0% for fully electric cars) and a monthly motor vehicle tax based on weight, fuel and province of residence (also 0% for fully electric cars). Unfortunately no perks like free parking, driving bus lanes etc.

[@garryhopkins]

I have read that the Norwegian Government could afford to slash all those taxes for EVs because of the income received from the sovereign wealth fund, which was built on income from the lucrative North Sea Oil Fields. Ironic! See below... Norway's sovereign wealth fund was created in 1990 to keep the economic benefits of its lucrative oil and gas industry within the country. The fund gains revenue from taxes on Norway's petroleum industry and from selling leases to private companies looking to extract more oil from its waters.29 Jan 2021

[@layseebalsam]

The reason for no VAT was just politics. The Bill of Materials for the Think was just too high, with VAT it would be above 300k. Then prime minister Stoltenberg was as an economist against any juggling with the VAT, but their coalition partner needed a victory and had the minister for Treasury. So this was sold as an effort to boost industry and jobs in a new sector. Think went belly up, but the tax reductions was popular and didn't cost the state much the first years. And then it became political suicide to reintroduce them. But it is a financial challenge for all states; green taxes are income you don't want.

[@gery4870]

Really well explained video !!!

[@rj240polestar]

Great video and great explanation! Very interesting!

[@StefanPfetzing]

Thanks Kris for explaining! 👍😀

[@dieselpreetsingh9544]

Would love to see how much carbon emission has Norway reduced with the use of EVs. Is there any research on this? Please share the link.

[@woodypwx]

I'm pretty sure it's also the oil other countries don't have, allowing Norway to incentive EVs

[@Tommy-vj2mc]

Not really. The high tax on ICE makes it possible. When everyone in Norway have bought a electric car this incentives will be long gone.

[@dalegas76]

When it comes to EV in Norway compared to ICE cars, the economical save is big. Like MortenB0 mentioned, when you have reduced Tolls (and there are a lot specially in the main cities), parking and ferries, it just pays up the new EV car itself compared to ICE cars. I bought a new small EV and it was an easy decision when you add up the values per month on the costs between new EV car and new/used ICE cars.

[@edgy21]

Very informative video. Interesting! Thank you! I like to see more video like this. What about asking the regular Norwegians (not Tesla fan boys) why they rather pick the EV from the legacy automakers over the Tesla car? Since the Tesla sales in Norway are still stagnant for long time, I like to know the perception of those Norwegians towards Tesla.

[@gullfeber]

simply because brands like Audi, Mercedes, VW, BMW etc are trusted brands in Norway. Generally produces better cars than Tesla does

[@MortenB0]

Makes more sense to buy an EV in Norway than in any country, and still you have forgot toll roads that we have insanely many of in Norway that are 50% off compared to fossiles and some even still is free. Also ferries are 50% with an EV. Until about 3 years ago toll reads where all free and was the number on reason for choosing an EV by people that had a long distance to work with many toll roads. A friend who bought a used Models S was saving 100k NOK a year on free toll roads and free supercharging alone.

[@d3adk964]

Super interesting. Thank you for making this video. This explains why the US is lagging behind. We have our $7500 EV tax credit. But only certain people qualify for it (you must make more than $70k per year for single, $100k per year for married)… And the credit isn’t given to you until the following year after you buy your EV. So here you are still paying full price for an E-Tron , ID.4, or other qualifying EV up front. Highest sales tax is around 10% in certain states. If we got rid of that combined with $7500 tax credit maybe we would see more EV adoption here.

[@abrahamgillesdejager6852]

Very interesting Video Kris. Keep the good work going.

[@KrisRifa]

Thanks 😁

[@richard--s]

In Austria it's the opposite: In the first year, the Kona, the simple "cheap" Kona was sold only in one version and that version of the Kona was sold for 48.000 Euros - and you can get a VW Golf diesel for 20.000 Euros. Needlsess to say that they had only 100 Konas for sale in Austria in it's whole first year. It was not about the last few weeks of a year, it was a much longer time, 6 to 9 months or so. I guess that was 2019. No it was not 2020 with the big C, it must have been 2019.

[@tureek]

In Switzerland its same now. For my Etron I paying 0.0 Chf road taxes and 400chf less then audi Q5 diesel for full insurance. And dont forget what à lot of car manufacturers having big issue now with semiconductors. In Switzerland if u order Audi etron or most of the any other models waiting time to delivery is one year. So the amount of EVs will deffinatly increase in next few years, but likely it will happens before 2023 as long as there still shortage in semiconductor.

[@updlate4756]

The US has state sales tax. Typically somewhere between 5% and 10% depending on the state.

[@nielsdebakker3283]

Yup, but that is not 25% like in norway.

[@manuelg8050]

No VAT is a very big insentive. Here in germany that would be a 19% discount... The US has VAT I think, but prices are showed without and added when you pay. And the differ from state to state.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

16 % if you come down from the higher price...

[@Orbit353]

As Kris points out in the video, the "one-time-taxation" on weight and emissions is what really makes the difference. If other countries also added 100% ++ tax and VAT on top of regular family sized fossil cars, you would soon see a shift in demand there as well. Very few politicians would push through a doubling in car prices though. The somewhat unique starting point for Norway was that cars in general were especially expensive in the first place, also compared to other living expenses.

[@marcuslejona]

Im curious if this would have been possible without oil money? -if so why dont other countries remove the VAT for EVs

[@EinzigfreierName]

Removing VAT is not very "social" because people who can afford the most expensive cars profit the most from it. I guess that's why in Germany we didn't remove VAT but have a fixed incentive.

[@e-redj]

Still curious why 45% of new car buyers decide to buy a more expensive car. Is it the lag of different models( it’s getting better), is it the range or the charging infrastructure? Or none of the above, and all those people are still misinformed about what a electric car means? Don’t know.

[@Lavisization]

This is the big question. With this new information (thanks Kris), I am suprised that the share of EVs is not even higher...

[@adrianwhite3774]

Norways a big country and the charging network unevenly distributed, there's approx 1000 charging stations in the southern half of country, but only 200 or so in the northern half. If you live 2 hours drive from the nearest town, ICE is still seen as a good option. Plus people like their SUV's, until this year (with ID4 and Enyaq etc), there has been less direct competion from EV's in that segment.

[@BearKire]

Hi Red, another Norwegian here. I believe this is due to the lack of options in the low and mid-price ranges. If you wanted a SUV you had to buy a Model X or Etron, but this will hopefully change with the ID4, Enyaq, Mustang and so on. Cars under 300.000 NOK (36 000 USD) still lack range, and it gets cold in our parts of the world. Cheap EVs are great within the city limits in sub zero temperatures. Want both? Either buy a car for 400-500 000 NOK or cheaper ICE. I assume it’s the same in other parts of the world. Kris failed to mention that our system is favor for hybrids as well. The price difference between a ICE hybrid in Germany and Norway is often 10% (e.g hybrid E-class), which isn’t that bad (pure ICE can quickly become 20-100% in no time).

[@Orbit353]

50.6% (in 2020) of new cars in Norway are not sold to end users, but leased. In the leasing market, the taxation is different (e.g. VAT is deductible), making the cost difference between EVs and fossil (especially hybrids) smaller. Thus if you are anyhow going to lease the car, you don’t pay that much extra for having a fossil.

[@mattimukkala]

Great video and greetings from Finland. Here car drivers pay a lot of different taxes. EVs have some insentives and tax benefits…yet. As car drivers are the ”milking cow” for the government, these will change when there are too many gently taxed EVs and not enough ICEs to pay the bil. Just a small portion of the mentioned taxes income is used to roads. Most goes to ”common good”. The part I’m missing about the Norwegian story is, that was there a strong political need for eco friendly cars more than just cheap cars…? (Just in general without going deep to the politic topics)

[@g0balot]

It may be a bit of a contradiction to say that the reason was not because of incentives and then list the incentives that are offered to buy them. I note that several of the incentives are being watered down now e.g. parking in oslo, tolls (cheaper that ice but not zero any more) and restrictions on bus lane use so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Personally I believe very few that already have EV would ever go back to ICE so the trend will continue. However, as the government has said that new ICE sales will be banned in five years then maybe people have no choice anyway.

[@KrisRifa]

When did I ever say or claim that it was not because of incentives? I specifically talk about and explain the incentives 🙈🤣 What I did say in the beginning was “just saying incentives does not explain much”. Therefore I explain the incentives 🙈🙈

[@judebrown4103]

Congratulations on a fascinating piece of research Kris. Really interesting, thanks. I hope the British government comes up with something similar. Though as @Frederik Eriksson and others point out the fact that we still have legacy car makers operating from the UK means its likely to take longer though with one of them being Nissan (who I think declared they were going over to electric only but I might have dreamt that!) and other manufacturers looking at our West Country for battery minerals maybe things will change sooner than later. Let's hope so, I'm desperate to ditch the fossil car but have such a small budget I cannot afford to go early. May have to wait until '24 when the mortgage is paid off.... I did think that would be the perfect moment to get the best value but now not so sure if that's not going to be right at the top of the market... Just have to go secondhand and see what's come on to that market by then... Or win the lottery of course! Thanks again for keeping us so well informed, I love Skodas and was so pleased when you enthused about the Enyaq!

[@antondavidsson2638]

Would have been a lot more interesting if you explained why the norwegian goverment introduced these low tax initiatives.

[@KrisRifa]

Isn’t that obvious? 🙈🙈 To sell more EVs 🤣🤣

[@antondavidsson2638]

@@KrisRifa Hehe I think we all know that its due to reducing the bad conscience over the oil industry. Would be interesting to see Norways carbon dioxide balance sheet over the last 50 years.

[@gullfeber]

@@antondavidsson2638 they are accessible on the internet

[@jonatandehnisch202]

Great video! As a swede I have also been very freighted by the means government in Denmark/Norway have been using to restrict freedom of movement. I still believe to this day that Denmark/Norway is going in the wrong direction with their high taxes and covid-restrictions but still see politicians in Sweden becoming inspired by this which is worrying.

[@gullfeber]

samt at dere har over 18 ganger så mange dødsfall som det vi har.

[@gytispranskunas4984]

Second reason is money. Norway is rich. And those who ware lucky enough to be born in Norway... Even if they work average job. They are 3-4 times more rich than average person in EU. That's why they can allow themselves to buy EV.

[@chrischild3667]

Great vid!

[@iareid8255]

Norway is on eof the very few countries in teh world where electrci vehicles are actually low emission. Thi sis largely due to the large hydro generation Norway has. In other countries, electric vehicles do not materially reduce CO2 emissions but transfer it to electrical power stations. Yes, there are lots of renewable generation also but you cannot use that as a percentage basis to calculate CO2 emissions from generation. The reason is that adding load (demand) to a grid only increases output from dispatchable generation, which in the U.K. is mostly gas. Nuclear and renewables are generaly at full available output and cannot increase any more to match this demand.

[@wellingtonhui6060]

Norway has one big disadvantage for EVs. The batteries have much lower capacity in sub-zero or below zero temperatures. The range can drop down to 50% at 0 degree Celcius. At 20 below Celcius, I am not sure how much range it has left.

[@oldfilthynorseman4603]

My 62kwh Leaf drop from 385 km to 300 km in minus 10-20, mostly because of preheating it to +23 in the morning before going to work and just before returning home from work.

[@ojeskog]

It's impressive but not surprising, giving the massive incentives, how large chunk of new cars sales that are EVs in Norway. Thanks for pointing that out for all the people watching from other countries. Watching it made me think of so many more questions... I assume most households in Norway as in many other parts of the world still have at least two cars so I do wonder if this massive uptake in EV's has resulted in an equally massive drop in sales of Diesel and Petrol at the pumps? Given how big % of new sales have been EVs for many years now you'd really think the sale of Diesel and Petrol would have plummeted in Norway. Has it? Does using so much government money on incentives actually make the use of evil diesel and petrol drop significantly? Or do most EV owners actually just have their EVs as a 2nd/3rd commute car but use that conventionally fuelled car as soon as they head out driving longer distances and hence the sale of petrol and diesel hasn't dropped by that much? Could it be that in Norway very few people actually buy a new car because the price of regular cars has for so many decades been prohibitively expensive and most people actually buy a many years old used car, most likely conventionally fuelled still? How large % of all those Golfs sold in 2014 are still rolling on the Norwegian roads Vs how large % of those Model S sold 2014? Do the EVs last as long on the used market as all the conventional cars or are the new-EVs now largely replacing older EVs that are being scrapped? Is the total % of EV's in total going up as much as the new sales? Many questions that popped up in my head. Feel free to make a follow up video about it as it would be really interesting. The power grid in Norway with its power generation spread out between many many hundreds if not thousands of smaller hydro powered power stations all over the country must surely be in a much better position to support all those EV's compared to most other nations where there would be serious upgrades required in the electric grid before being able to support the same % of new sales being EVs as in Norway. Just my thoughts for the evening. Keep the videos coming.

[@rubencomitini]

Very very interesting!

[@npimksztsz]

What is the current situation with free parking in Norway? I live in Hungary and we have green licence plate for electric cars and plug in hybrids (cars with a specific electric only range) and they can park freely. However they are considering to remove this right from PHEVs.

[@ChuckJ1944]

Great video and you speak amazing English and make good points. I have a Taycan 4s. How popular are they there? How much do you pay for electricity?

[@BearKire]

Quite popular. The new GT has a half-a-year wait list as of now. On average: 0,064 USD/kWh (6,4 cents/kWh).

[@ChuckJ1944]

@@BearKire That is FANTASTIC, Kris!

[@gullfeber]

taycans are everywhere, nothing special here anymore sadly

[@terryterry1655]

No way any other countries can compete in EV disruption like Norway, pun intended.

[@artemzhdanov7119]

Really like this polestar leather seats🙂

[@mikaelskoglund373]

what happens when all new cars sold are EV, the fees will continue to be 0? In that case, the Norwegian state must lose a lot in revenue.

[@BearKire]

The fees will start in 2022, for cars above 600 000 NOK. Originally, the 0 % VAT incentive was supposed to cover 50 000 cars (were at 337 000 cars as of 2020). In short: the government didn’t want to fuck up our flow - and now we are over 50 % all electric.

[@humushumus2219]

Toyota Auris the second most sold car 2014.. ?! There are hardly any of them around anymore. Thankfully :)

[@rizwanellahi8374]

That explains alot 😁👍

[@ErvinKortsLaur]

You deserve this change.

[@JoseVargas-dx7wz]

It's a simple equation!, right? People would always by the thing that is the cheeper. And Evs give you a tone of value for your money! I was hoping that someone could explain it better, as the Noregian maket is someting that it's mostly unknown for all of us out there!

[@stomms]

I wish it would be like that in EU...

[@toth1982]

RAV still seems to be the best selling vehicle in Norway. Are those (I guess it is a hybrid) also considered as EVs? Or they are still popular despite the big taxes? Are plug-in hybrids considered as EVs without VAT, etc?

[@TheBrickeryLego]

Hybrids have VAT in Norway.

[@Taakeheim]

Plug-in Hybrids have a taxation advantage based on their electric range. They still have VAT though.

[@tormodaas4005]

RAV4 plug in hybrid is a fantastic car, if you don't want an EV. Very low milage and long pure EV range. And of course high quality. After the first quarter in Norway 2021 73% of new registration in the private market were EV's....and the Enyaq, ID4, Model Y and so forth had not hit the market... RAV4 ended on second place behind Tesla Model 3. Volvo XC came in as nr 9, and BMW X1 nr 10. The other 6 cars among ten most sold cars in Norwa Q1, 2021 were pure EVs.....so 7 out of top 8 were pure EVs....

[@Giorg189]

Excellent explanation! However, don't forget that Norwegians make twice the money that the rest of west Europeans do, meaning that twice the price for a car is not that much in comparison to the income.

[@npimksztsz]

Also, Norway has tons of money from its OIL. So you can use that money to provide cheap electric cars.

[@gullfeber]

they invest in so many companies, oil is arounnd 17% of their annual income

[@quiller297]

Kris, I like your channel very much... But there is another reason why people buy EV or ICE... In belgium we just do not have the load capacity, and where we have fast chargers we pay for it... So for me : Plug in hybrid (looking at new mercedes C at the moment... 100km and home charging and after that : ICE. (90-95% will be electric for me) -- that being said : congratulations to Norway for having a view on the future.

[@GinoGoole]

If 100km range covers 90% of your driving and you can charge at home I wouldn't fear buying an EV to be honest. Before I made the decision I was also concerned about the lack of fastchargers, but now that I have my EV I notice I rarely need them. Which is also the reason the high price for fastcharging doesn't bother me so much, 95% of my driving is done with cheap electricity, so why bother with the 5% expensive? Building all that fastcharge infrastructure is expensive, and there are currently not that many cars using it, so not much profit to be made. But still we see more and more chargers popping up. Ionity just opened a new one and is building in Brussels, Total is adding chargers at some of there highway stations, Allego is building fastchargers, dealers (especially VW-group) are adding fastchargers open for everyone, fastned should start building more... We are getting there ;)

[@DontEatTheAnimals]

Is he a jazz singer ?

[@salamandur]

Was either a Ps2 with all equipment, or a base 320d.. costs about the same.

[@Pupuzor]

Does the statistic and all benefits also apply on PHEVs or only BEVs?

[@g0balot]

Just EVs

[@Taakeheim]

PHEVs have a taxation advantage based on their electric range. Still no where near as much as the BEVs.

[@charlesbuzz]

Hey Kris, you forgot Canada in your number , we are lots of EV users especially in Quebec and British Columbia Provence

[@KrisRifa]

The list is the top list... not my list. Canada doesn’t even make it 🙈

[@bluceree7312]

90 EVs per 1000. that's impressive. China will soon surpass this. Good video Kris.

[@KrisRifa]

China is at 3,3 / 1000.... they don’t even make the list 🙈🙈

[@bluceree7312]

@@KrisRifa Soon they will. Wanna wager a bet :).

[@dexmex5969]

@@bluceree7312 china also have like 2 billion people, it insane they dont have more ev’s there already

[@bluceree7312]

@@dexmex5969 The stat is for number of EVs per 1000 people. They already have a lot more EVs than Norway in terms of total numbers, almost 10 times more.

[@dexmex5969]

@@bluceree7312 Yeah i know , but i meant per 1000 people :)

[@ErvinKortsLaur]

👌

[@yvs6663]

how to get people to buy EVs? money. thats all.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Great!

[@lumajs]

The real reason why Norway buys so many EVs is that Norwegians have so much money from their fossil fuels. Fossil fuels should be worshiped like God, they have liberated us from the back-breaking labor and allowed the Norwegians to fill their land with hundreds of thousands of these totally inefficient , crazily uneconomic products, the EVs. Greetings from Czechia that has to buy at least the honey-cognac gold. ;-)

[@mistralfreee]

Talked too much and missed the point. Why car performance 0-100km/h is important for this topic? ??

[@updlate4756]

Norway doesn't care how efficient the EV is, how many supply constrained resources is uses (size of battery), or how expensive it is... they knock a set percentage off the cost of the vehicle versus ICEs. A 350k NOK vehicle gets a 25% discount (87.5k NOK) just from VAT exclusion. A 1 million NOK vehicle gets a 25% discount (250k NOK) just from the VAT exclusion. The more expensive the car's MSRP, the larger the discount. That's unlike how every other nation does it. Throw in the other tax savings and you can quickly see how it pays to buy more expensive EVs in Norway, even if price has no impact on the amount of emissions reduction, or may even use more energy and resources to manufacture and drive. It's a lesson in diminishing returns when it comes to incentive versus emissions impact. Bit idiotic ... really... Lucky for Norway, they're a petrol state, making a huge sum of money on oil exports to subsidize such huge EV discounts... especially for the wealthiest buyers. Norway's huge sales aren't just a result of the ridiculous subsidization, but because automakers are EV supply constrained, and they're prioritizing shipments to places where they'll generate the largest margins. Norway is one of the best locations for this. It's why Tesla prioritized Norway over most other nations when they first started exporting cars; but now with so much competition in the country, Tesla's run into demand issues there; stemming how many vehicles they can sell and price they can sell at. Norway is still quite lucrative, but now other nations are turning up the volume on how much free money they're dishing out for EVs, trying to convince OEMs to sell their supply in their nations instead. This is likely the real reason the US is currently debating a new $7500 - $12,500 EV tax credit in addition to state incentives. Tesla lost their federal credit in the US, and now the vast majority of their sales growth is coming from outside of the US, either with exports out of Fremont, or from production expansion in China. Honestly, it's all a bit silly when a simple carbon tax on fossil fuels would have done the trick in accurately gauging the best solution for reducing emissions. We do know that during production, EVs use more raw materials than ICEs which requires more mining and mining related pollution, uses more energy, and generates more emissions. They're effectively front loading emissions and pollution during production which they're not taxed on. Then they can sell these vehicles tax free in nations like Norway because of "no emissions". Certainly ICEs are much dirtier over the lifetime of the car... but it really makes you wonder why EVs get a full pass when they're not 100% green. We also know we're running up against raw materials supply constraints, which would actually make solutions like PHEVs better at reducing emissions overall if we were to concentrate EV production and sales in that class of vehicle. (We can build far more of them given our current battery cell supply) It may even make HEVs a better solution as well. Instead countries are prioritizing huge giveaways for large battery cars that we can't build enough of. Good job Norway.... a true role model for the world. /s

[@ruudfalun]

So much wrong with your story, hard to tell where to begin. You don't even know how VAT is calculated. I you pay 1 million NOK for a car, the VAT is 200k NOK, not 250k (car without VAT is 800k, plus 25% is 1000k). And you sound like my ex when claiming you save more money by buying a more expensive product. Your claims about Tesla making more money on the same car sold in Norway: wrong, Tesla's sales is not growing in US: wrong, exports from Fremont: no Model Y has been exported to Europe, so wrong. EV's using more raw materials: wrong. Crawl back into your shell and do some real research before spilling these dumb comments.

[@updlate4756]

​@@ruudfalun I was referring to MSRP. As an American, we price our vehicles at MSRP excluding tax. So yes, a 1 million NOK vehicle (MSRP) will have to pay 250k NOK in tax... so the EV would effectively get a 250k NOK discount. I thought it was pretty clear what I mean based on the context. And that's just the VAT. It doesn't include the significantly cheaper registration, and all of the other handouts the country gives away to EV buyers. We already know EVs are cheaper to maintain and cheaper to fuel than ICEs... so why is Norway throwing so much additional money on the hood when they don't have to? Clearly that's going to lead to a much higher percentage of EV buyers in the nation... not to mention OEMs raising EV prices in the nation to pad their margins. I never said it's cheaper to buy a more expensive car. I said it's a larger discount. You sound like someone with reading comprehension issues... no? I mean, if you're going to be a troll about it and resort to insults... you get what you sow. As to the rest of your post... now I realize I was talking to an imbecile. Maybe you should try talking out of your mouth, instead of your backside. The internet is full of information. Try to use it once in awhile.

[@ruudfalun]

​@@updlate4756 This video is about EV sales in Norway, so maybe not apply US systems to Kris's explanations? There is no such thing as MSRP in Norway, or any other European country. There's a sales price that's the same for everyone and everywhere in the country. And if the sales price is 1000k with 25% VAT, the VAT is 200k, not 250k. The reason Norway has chosen to remove taxes for EV's and keep or even increase taxes for ICE's is to have a cost neutral system, where the taxpayer is not paying for subsidies. The price reduction on EV's is paid for by tax increase on ICE's. And the goal is transition from ICE to EV, so pretty smart if you can do that without spending taxpayers money, don't you think? (US system for EV tax reduction by the way only works for people that pay enough tax to profit from that reduction, so not for everyone) "you can quickly see how it pays to buy more expensive EVs in Norway", how is that different from "saving more money"? As for research, try to do your own. You claim for example that Tesla sales is not growing in US, so show it. Or show how many Model Y have been exported to Europe. Or that Tesla earns more money from a car sold in Norway that for example in Sweden. I will be looking forward to the results of your research!

[@updlate4756]

@@ruudfalun Maybe learn to understand the context of a statement before jumping to a silly conclusion. I mean, think about what you were complaining about. 200k NOK discount instead of 250k NOK? C'mon dude... you really think that complaint was something to get uppity about, an be a little internet troll to me? You're not even dispelling my main complaint in your little nitpicking, as misguided as that nitpicking was... You could have simply pointed out that VAT is included in how you talk about sale price in Norway. It isn't actually the price of the vehicle though, which is what I was referring to. It's a tax on top of that price. Get over yourself. You'll survive the misunderstanding. The reasons you stated don't make sense. A 350k NOK vehicle and a 1 million NOK vehicle may reduce emissions by exactly the same amount. It's just that the 1 million NOK vehicle may use more expensive materials, or do 0-60 faster. I fail to see how your "reasoning" discredits my point. Other nations provide EV tax credits, but they don't give out more free money the more expensive the vehicle is.... In fact, many nations are moving to do the exact opposite. Only subsidize the vehicles that need the subsidy... aka lower priced vehicles for the masses. How is "pays to buy a more expensive vehicle" different than "saves money"?? It's exactly how it sounds. You get a bigger discount for buying a more expensive vehicle, improving the value the higher the vehicle price is. It's not cheaper, but the discount is larger, pushing people to buy more expensive vehicles to get a bigger discount. And let's be clear... it's not helping the environment for Norwegians to rush out to buy a Model X instead of a Mach-E or another smaller CUV. As to Tesla's sales growth, I didn't say Tesla wasn't growing in the US. I specifically said: "Tesla lost their federal credit in the US, and now the vast majority of their sales growth is coming from outside of the US, either with exports out of Fremont, or from production expansion in China." This is a true statement. The majority of their growth is not coming from the US. That doesn't mean their sales haven't grown in the US. Again, this is due to YOUR lack of reading comprehension, and YOUR quick to jumping to conclusions attitude.

[@ruudfalun]

@@updlate4756 Again, this is a video explaining the situation in Norway, so stop applying US systems to it. I'm not complaining about 200k, you are. I was just pointing out that VAT is included in the Norway sales price, so it's not 250k but 200k for a 1000k priced car. Sorry if you did not understand that. Europe does not have a "sales tax" system like the US has where one state adds 4% and the next state might add 10% to the ticket price. All my comments are about the things you say, whereas you are commenting on me as a person. I can't really appreciate that, so I suggest you either change that or I'll just ignore your posts. The system works flawlessly. Some people can do with smaller cars, but lots are buying a bigger car because they need to tow a trailer, either for work or a caravan for leisure or just have big families. Some buy a large gas or diesel car, so they pay loads of taxes for that (more than for a smaller gas or diesel car). Others buy a large EV and don't pay taxes. Plus and minus level each other out. It's just like with insurance: crashing a lot means paying a lot and not crashing at all means paying less. These are also percentages and not fixed numbers. You might not see the logic in it, but Norwegians do and so do I. The system works, else Norway would not be world leader in EV integration. The US system invests taxpayer money into buying an EV and maybe this is why there is such a big aversion against EV's in general and Tesla's in particular. You don't hear me saying the US system is wrong, but I don't see why it would be better than the Norwegian system. You did claim that "the vast majority of Tesla's sales growth is coming from outside the US" and linked that to Tesla losing federal credit. This is just not true. Here are US sales for Tesla over past 4 years: 2017 50 067 2018 197 517 2019 195 125 2020 292 902 2021 in Q1 sales was 13 200 higher than Q1 2020, a 25% increase compared to Q1 2020. I will leave your other baseless claims for what they are: baseless. "The internet is full of information, try to use it once in a while"?

[@ojtrumpet]

Useful information even for us Norwegians. Btw, the e-Golf was also early on sale. I tried one - but the range was a bit low.