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[@diwa9321]

Everyone: it's a bug! Fix it rito! Kogmaw mains: it's a feature.

[@loouke]

You could say no one instead of kog maw mains that would work too ...

[@ultrapassagemrapida6849]

@@loouke hauahsuahsau yep

[@BrainRot4Life-j4z]

the passive is coded as being invincible on 1 hp, and he is being dealt 1 true damage to when it ends. and that is counted as damage by the person who initially killed him, therefore drawing tower (and minion) aggro. i dont play kog maw btw

[@kappachino3431]

yes

[@danielgibbs3708]

@@loouke the disrespect you have for kogmaw mains, such as myself. but, yeah, you right.

[@yolo_turtle209]

I didn't think it did anything, nice.

[@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis]

Passives that temporarily "revive" you after dying (kog karth sion) will cause the killer to get some oh hit triggers when they expire. Conq gains a stack for sure, idk about lethal, but it also seems like it draws turret aggro.

[@kindatim]

1 true damage. Simple as that.

[@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis]

@@kindatim but the damage type also matters (default, spell, basic, raw, etc.)

[@kindatim]

@@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis I mean, that damage counts as being dealt by the player, so does the type really matter?

[@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis]

@@kindatim it'd probably matter more than drawing aggro imo, stacking manaflow or proccing ludens would come up more, but in the end it none of this really matters since everything about this is an edge case.

[@kindatim]

@@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis Well, look at it like this: what's more impactful - stacking conq from a dead Kog, or getting killed by a turret because Kog has died close to you? At least I look at it from a point of pro-play, where they can stop games if something unintended happens. And I feel like the second case would prompt more attention, while the first one would likely go completely unnoticed.

[@TheOmnishamblesGaming]

As far as I can determine, the second 'death' for Kog'maw (and other champions like Karthus) deals 1 true damage to Kog'maw so draws tower agro. You can see I also experienced a similar interaction months ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ26kp5jm5yfpLc

[@6DarthSion9]

Just like old Zilean's bomb count down.

[@Zwodo]

That's absolute horsesh*t in my opinion and has no place being coded that way. But of course it wouldn't be until it possibly affected a pro play match that we could hope to ever see a fix on this.

[@luigisomma7002]

So to make the second death work, riot games put a 1hp that It Will be taken out when dying again, but if that 1hp wasn't taken by the Kai sa, then It shouldn't give her the agro, for example even if you go under enemy tower and the enemy takes dmg from all source that Is not you, you can't take the agro. So why does this gives agro????? (I'm Just speculating don't mind me)

[@TheOmnishamblesGaming]

@@luigisomma7002 Don't worry, I'm just speculating too. If i'd to guess I'd say it works like a DOT - Kai'Sa killed the Kog'maw so she is deemed to have applied the 'DOT' which deals 1 damage when Kog explodes, drawing tower agro.

[@artemsheen8064]

Holy fck. Like yes, it makes sense, but imagine explaining this to a newbie -Wtf this lizard exploded and tower started shooting me -Oh yes, so when Kog'maw is dying in his after death form he takes 1 true damage that makes you the main target of the turret -😐

[@killfill9]

I know the answer here, In passive kog has 1 hp as like a hidden status, he loses that 1hp when he pops and it counts as whoever got the kills damage

[@willywonkalol]

Same with sion passive and karthus passive

[@valdemarbaldorftingkr3824]

Yep that is true i mained kog'maw in my past and it says he has 1 hp left when passive triggers

[@max.racing]

and what happens if 2 or more people get hit?

[@sachadossantos7972]

@@max.racing as explain it's not who you touch with the explosion that count but who killed kog

[@killfill9]

@@max.racing doesnt matter, whoever killed kog proc'ing his passive gets the 1 true damage dealt when he pops

[@lukaszekk]

It even procs Samira's passive. (For example: Samira uses her R and she kills him, then he runs towards her and when he explodes she gets E stack)

[@gabrielamaral978]

I would love to see this as a feature, like they adding something like "enemy champions that takes damage from this trigger tower aggro". The kog'maw passive is pretty underwhelming. Like the last zyra passive...

[@gigachad3533]

LMAOOOO THAT HUGE PLANT SPITTING A NEEDLE

[@imanjx2914]

good old zyra passive

[@wasian8299]

Yes. And that crap passive is one of the major reasons why she got a mini rework. Kog is untouched :((

[@uganakall7723]

i think kog maw took damage after dying, and kai'sa was the last champ to deal damage to kog, so when kog died, the turret undestod that kai'sa hit kog

[@eugeneyun7625]

u cant damage a kog when hes in that form. Read the other comments

[@dizzyheads]

@@eugeneyun7625 Yeah but for whatever reason the "Killing blow" is counted towards Kai'sa when Kog'Maw explode

[@Eliras24]

Smart turret

[@Nazuiko]

Its just how Zombie states work; When Kogmaw hits 0 HP, the game doesnt kill him, he just becomes untargetable for a few seconds. Upon explosion, the death is actually triggered (Respawn timers still start ticking, however) and Kogmaw likely does 100,000 true damage to himself. Thus the "kill" is counted by the game as happening *when kog explodes*, not when he hits 0 HP.

[@mikaelporter8663]

i found that out in a game, not with turret aggro, but kogmaw's second death gave me a conq stack

[@NeonBlue27]

Didn't know about this, but I also wanna mention: Kog can also aa once at point blank in passive. I was able to get a kill this way soon after I learned it. I mentioned it to the other guy and he went "the WHAT".

[@brianfleming706]

When you think about it, it makes sense. Similar to Sion, it doesnt say that you've "Killed" him until his second form dies.

[@coolmausrealm]

For people who don't know: the song is called Harvest Dawn and it's from the oblivion soundtrack

[@MisterPoro]

it’s been like this lol, you can also ping kogmaw’s corpse

[@eduardograu3831]

Should be a feature

[@SSXVegeta]

I noticed this just last night, I mentioned it and of course "Stop crying" is the response I was met with.

[@mynameisuntitled113]

yeah been getting that a lot with karthus and sion dying as well, the moment their passive expires the one that killed them gains aggro as well as 2 conq stacks if they have conq so theres some spaghetti behind the scenes

[@TheMightyBosstone]

you know even if some of these aren't bugs, im kinda glad you guys do this stuff, you find all sorts of interactions that certainly are buggy. Its this stuff the PBE should be doing..... not making OMG! I GOT 99 KILLS ON NEW CHAMP! OP! BUSTED!

[@TeaYenSvg]

Do you even Vandiril bro?

[@chillingmiona9175]

Its a bug, happened in one of my games a couple patches back Riot said they fixed it, but if this happened on current patch then seems they lied lmfao

[@nicholaschau6770]

I thought I was on Vandril's channel with all these bug vids, Riots spaghetti are getting more and more wobbly.

[@Vardoc-bu8cn]

I love the fact that you put the oblivion sountrack xD

[@jubileuquestionador1673]

Yup, a experienced the same With a Karthus that died and then the the turret agroed me.

[@Meander_]

I had this bug (and even sent a replay to Vandiril) and thought that was maybe a Bami Cinder interacting with Kog passive and though I didn't write out the possibility of Kog passive exploding just procing tower, it still amuses me that it is the case.

[@jumarshmellow]

It feels like a feature like they delay jogs death by delaying the last hit till he explodes this also make sense on why lisandra has to wait on him to explode to get a thrall

[@Recovery7]

Technically you gain the kill after his passive ends.

[@mehbleh5835]

You are getting a lot of views of these. Keep em coming. Playing skyrim rn.

[@wastingsun]

I noticed this interaction a few months ago, glad to see people are noticing it

[@TheJackMouse]

Tower: "Alright, who the fuck fed Kog'maw chocolate. You *know* this is what happens when you feed Kog'maw chocolate. It was you, wasn't it. You son of a bitch!"

[@JesusEffingChrist602]

I assume its something to do with his passive dying, and the game credits whats causes his passive to die to you. The death is probably caused by some internal damage being applied to him and since your under the turret its code registers that credit and targets you.

[@Kris_Luchat]

mmmh, i've encountered a similar bug. When you kill a Karthus, you get mana and energy from Presence of Mind (like, the refund (20% i think, i don't remember), and when his passive ends, you get a stack of Presence of Mind and Conqueror, as if you just hit him. That's kinda weird, and i've never seen this before, so i think this is a pretty recent bug

[@rsodate]

It is logical, if u pay attention, the kill on kog only count after pass end and the he really die. If u are under the tower with him when he dies it will count by damage on him, so the tower will activate

[@borovac6259]

Maybe is because game didn't put that kog maw is dead so when his passive ran out game has seen who killed him and turrets will atack person that is killed ( or attacked) and the kill tab will say he is dead officially when his passive is out

[@azeite6978]

Another reason why they should change kog's passive, as a main i would love it.

[@krupsoati]

V12.2 Icathian Surprise Icathian Surprise BUG FIX: Fixed a bug where towers would incorrectly target enemy champions who took damage from it.

[@shadam_free]

This bug has been around for super long. I've came across this with Sion, and conqueror. Basically, when a zombie dies, like Sion passive or Kogmaw, they get a lethal execution damage, that the game thinks you are the source of, thus, you gain Conq stack, or in this intance, Turret aggro

[@erologan856]

you can see it with samira. when dead kogmaw die samira gains 1 ult stack. so you are killing him with 0 dmg. that means you attacked it.

[@alpakamcdviii9889]

hello challenging smite, i jut wanted to say that this bug also work with karthus, if you kill him and you stay under tower, when his passive expire, you will take tower aggro ! thx for you video, peace and eat a lot of pancakes

[@dawolf458]

Ngl if kog maw passive would change the focus of turrets to champions hit by his passiv would be kinda neat.

[@valentinbockarev2293]

yep, this also "works" with sion (when he dies in passive after u kill him) month ago... and maybe now idk

[@B14285seven]

Same thing happens when karthus passive expires and has for some time now. Notably I find 8 seconds later it cancels a lot of non combat based interactions like warmogs or Evelyn stealth

[@saulgoodman4188]

hello Challenging Smite there is another bug with his pasive If you buy Imortal shieldbow and you get the cd right back in his passive the imortal will active in his greay screan

[@schnoeselderp4953]

the same thing happens when karthus passive runs out and you are with him under the tower

[@kaoptik3785]

I also noticed that when shen dash on you under tower, it triggers the tower agro

[@phillower8806]

TECHNICALLY, you causing Kogmaw to explode so that why turret attack

[@mypersonalaccount4934]

Should be a feature. Kog'maw passive is already so bad, Riot pls don't make it even worse

[@jeijizad]

?? Kogmaw can auto once when dead too, when it's a kraken proc kog can kill you even if his passive dont deal enough damage too :) just fix this shit

[@gll50]

Riot spaghetti. When they are in their revived state, they have 1 HP until it's over, then they take the 1 damage it takes to completely kill them, which is considered dealt by the last person to hit them.

[@holano9183]

It could be a nice feature like If kogmaw hits you with his passive it will tag you for turret agro receiving extra damage or increasing turret attack and projectile speed. I don't know it just looks like a nice feature

[@starmoral5456]

This actually makes it better lol

[@cheesepuffxyz3643]

As a kogmaw main, I didn’t even know I HAD a passive

[@MrZofer]

riot games: we need to fix toxicity in chat is very important kog: initial D noises

[@lusio8821]

true damage pulls turret agro, this is intended

[@jasejoe8117]

it happens when karthus dies as well and then when he actually dies

[@tashpiro01]

im pretty sure kog is still alive when passive is procced in the same way trynd ult works, but with an automatic 1 true or pure dmg at end of passive dealt from original killer

[@celikcematbas6614]

Its a feature because his passive allows him transform before he actually dies, thats why turret counts as the last hit from you.

[@gabrielmolina5003]

yeah it a bug that happen any champ that has any death passive ( karthus, sion, kog'maw, or renata w), there deaths counts as a hit, you can see with conqueror it 100% time, it activates after they died you get one stack. so they say that some legends never died.

[@squidsword0]

*New Secret Kog'maw Passive: Signal Flare*

[@flashayy-3071]

when karthus die in his passive it will trigger turret aggro too

[@henrivislapuu4523]

I think it's because kog maw passive actually stores the dmg the enemy does and when explodes he takes the dmg triggering the turret

[@nytrobomb3971]

It's just like how if yuumi hits someone with q while attached and dies to turret, the person she hit will get the kill instead of it being an execute

[@Nachtrobbe]

Had this in a Ranked and it costed us the game. Was tilted af…

[@Magoooobly]

Same applies to Karthus and Sion passive expiry. Intended

[@kaibabun]

yeah...it's been around for a good while

[@vincentpizzo8727]

This happens with karthus passive too now, so weird

[@BrenoErlich]

that also happens with karthus passive!

[@not_jaum]

I think this happens because kog receives damage from the person that killed him when he explodes, making the turret trigger

[@aj_bean_gaming]

The same happening with karthus, i reported it months ago multiple times and still nothing hapenned.

[@oTaLLenTTzZo]

I think I ran into a big with Renata, using her Q putting her out of mana wont let you recast

[@pyrost5010]

and enemy karthus when the passive disappear the tower target a champ too

[@marshiemaaz5161]

I wish It could be a feature Kog just some more love like this

[@camyron]

Given all the responses about 1 true damage for zombies, try this again but with kogmaw not hitting you with the death explosion, just you standing under tower with minions. I assume you'll still get aggro.

[@charmingariaac6972]

Kog'maw passive also counts towards Samira's passive

[@梅露的狗]

also happen at the end of karthus passive after kill him

[@bagupaipu]

RIOT after seeing this: I think we need mo Lux skin

[@totolerigolo6674]

its because champs with that kind of passive like anivia, zac, karthus and yeah kog maw trigger turret aggro when actually dying following their respective passive

[@totolerigolo6674]

same with sion

[@Awesomeficationify]

Karthus passive does this as well.

[@OGPTdosGPTs]

It was always like that bro, since season 1.

[@wingdingaster2788]

Silly question! Of course it's a feature!

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

Probably something like kogmaw is actually alive with 1 hp and when he explodes it deals 1 damage to kogmaw from whoever last hit him. Perhaps the effect could also be seen with Sion or Renata w

[@damiann1880]

This also happens with Karthus.

[@biiiggz]

An up for kogmaw is coming !

[@berkant3599]

Also you gain conquerer stack when he dies

[@radekroznovsky6164]

i think when kog diess it give me conquerro stack XD

[@laurenz4528]

Wow happened to me once and is freaked out how I got turret agro…

[@someoneanyone8478]

In custom games vs bots I've seen Kog Maw take ONE true damage in his passive just as he explodes, which would explain the turret agro

[@rui6370]

Kog was last damaged by kai sa so when he turned into his "dead" state hes not dead hypothetically, like hes 1 ho or something so when he DIES its considered as damage dealt.

[@Fedeise1]

It triggers first strike too

[@Scaazlol]

Same thing happened to me in lategame. Thanks riot

[@camomoose1078]

My guess: She killed Kog maw. When Kog maw explodes the game thinks she killed him again because she was the last person that did damage to him. Her killing him means she must have attacked, therefore the tower starts shooting her.

[@uselessgoblin]

Fun fact as kog maw when you are dead occasionally kog maw will just atuo attack people at melee range dont tell riot i dont want them to fix it i play kog

[@erikmatti8964]

nothing new here flies away

[@Oxys4]

Its because when kogmaw dies, he stays at 1hp and looses it when he really dies after his passive. So technically kaisa did 1 damage to kog under tower

[@0Wizard]

This also applies to all reanimated champs its been around forever

[@Silley1234]

the same thing happens when karthus passive ends

[@dsltr076]

Imagine Riot do Bug or Feature like Smash or Pass.

[@Sir.Strange]

It should be a feature. They did kog mah really dirty with one the worst passives in the game

[@user-vf2sq6pt7p]

might be because you are killing him again, despite he was already dead but kinda makes sense. It is as if you one shoted someone under tower it would trigger turret agro as well, but in this case the kogmaw doesnt get one shot he suicides so its not kaisa dealing damage to his passive that kills him its him suiciding. If you could deal damage to him it would make sense just like how turret agro activates when hitting a sion passive under his turret.

[@aaronodst1174]

Based mechanic, keep it, nothing but cool anti-dive shenanigans can happen here.

[@jerichoconstantino4458]

That featured is fine to me because kog dont have any scapegoat skill like blink or dash, the one time skill he have is flash or his 2nd that's all.

[@hirun643]

A little bug and feature

[@algerianbread1229]

If you have first strike active and kog'maw hits you with passive, you're first strike will activate on him. So I assume when his passive deals damage to you, you somehow deal damage back?

[@Sythgirla]

The buff Kog'maw needed