Riot Games Denies The Existence of “Losers Queue” In League of Legends

The oldest League of Legends ranked myth just got busted
Riot Games says that the concept of "Losers Queue" isn't real and that they aren't intentionally matching you with bad teammates.
Source: x.com/RiotPhroxzon/status/175...
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[@Akshonesports]

Riot Phroxzon's explanation: "Losers queue doesn't exist We're not intentionally putting bad players on your team to make you lose more. (Even if we assumed that premise, wouldn't we want to give you good players so you stop losing?) For ranked, we match you on your rating and that's all. If you've won a lot and start losing, it's because you're playing against better players and aren't at that level anymore. It's not because we matched you with all the inters and put all the smurfs on the enemy team. For 99.9% of people reading this, even if you think you're "playing perfectly" and post a good KDA screenshot with the rest of your team "inting", I promise you that if a good player reviews your games there's 100's of things that you could have done differently that could've changed the trajectory of the game. Sure there are games where your teammates play poorly, that's just the nature of a 5v5 game. In the long run, you're the only common factor and the only one responsible for your rating is you. If you took an "unwinnable" game and replayed it with any Challenger in your spot, it would probably result in a win."

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Wtf is inting

[@faisfaizal5194]

What phroxzon said is true, IF their matchmaking system was working perfectly in the first place.

[@caojidan8913]

I'm just a Pokemon Unite player, and loser queue is definitely in PU. According to actual stats/data, ALL pokemon has at least 40% win rate which is impossible. I'm not the best players, but it does feel like 80% players are extremely bad at the game, so the stats look even more unrealistic. There's another study shows that players needs to lose games, to get addicted or some like that to make players keep playing same game longer, soooo its probably just another psychology tactic that companies use.

[@caojidan8913]

As the saying goes, you just need to get lucky

[@raymondjoannette8052]

@@faisfaizal5194 Fun true fact, League of Legends ranking system mixed up with Elo and MMR. Both are connected which makes the League system unique on its own. By why and how does it work you say? Simple, since there was no ceiling or limit on gaining LP's, it was making the game very unfair in Challengers tier during climbing process. If someone manage to get around 4000 LP and he is in No.1 on the list and the Number 2 best challenger player has 1200 LP, well, it was almost impossible for that player to be N01 during whole season. In that case, MMR system gave a better opportunity to apply the good changes for that but not for lower rank players. Imagine, that noww Both MMR and Elo are mixed up. If you have a good high win rate in whatever your rank is, I mean, way above than the avergage what to say Silver players, you'll mostly end up with players that has the usual normal amount of win rate and MMR for their own tier. In that case, you won't be placed in where you deserve to be, actually, you will be hardstuck with players who are much much MUCH less good than you against people of around the same win rate and all as you. In the end, it makes games such as: Why my team suck, why are they trash, why are they not playing good, why do I have a teemo jungle for fck sake!?!?!?!? You see, just from this, you know League is not well balanced. Therefore, if you manage, somehow which is possible in Duo, get to gold rank, you might have a slight chance to keep climbing. I tell you, if you want a better chance to climb, get a friend of yours and duo in ranked until you reach the point where you deserve to be. Now then, if I talk about players who managed to reach Diamond rank BEFORE the mmr system was implemented, well, they mostly end up Diamond rank and call themselves good wwhile they could highly possibly struggle in Silver rank you understand me? Because who's terrible in Diamond? Most are trolling and get banned, others are just in bad mood but you'll never get a random serious player who want to go as an exemple: Teemo jungle or Soraka top. You will always play with people who actually know the game just like you. Boring fact, everyone can climb up, just spam Trundle, rush to nexus, simple as that.

[@Osjey]

I remember they first denied that smurf queue exists before it got proven.

[@StarFrost02]

I've experienced a variation of this in Overwatch, Valorant and Halo; it's not a loser's queue per say but when your mmr is way higher than your actual ranked you will be matched with lower rank and mmr teamates that makes the game feel hard to win as you literally need to carry to win (as the game expects you to, based on your MMR). There are 3 big problems with that system. 1. I often play supporting or engaging roles in my team acting as a leader and often don't go for high kill count but like to play my game where I prop my team up for success. When I have a much higher MMR than my team, this strategy doesn't work and I plateau real fast. The solution to switch to a carry character to win doesn't appeal to me so I get stuck way lower than where I should be if the system placed me with and against people of similar skill level. 2. You often lose way more points than you gain when you are in this situation as the game places you with lower rank teamate while expecting you to win since you're also against lower rank opponents. But you're only 1/10 of the equation so sure you might have a bit of influence but ultimately it's a dice roll and when you lose that dice roll the game will take away a lot of points because "You're a better player, you should have won", while stacking the deck against you for fairness sakes. 3, Winning or losing in a 5v5 game has a lot to do with team coordination, morale management and teamwork, things that the game doesn't take into account (Shotcalling and morale management are very important to success and I often have to do it every game if I want to win but doesn't increase my MMR as much as the Duelist in my team who top frags.)

[@polishhockeyfan]

Absolutely hit the nail on the head. "Youre the only constant" is the biggest cope I hear. Id agree in something like an RTS or Fighting Game. Thats absolutely a skill issue if you cant climb. Anything team based? Hell naw dog

[@froggod6484]

Skill issue

[@Win32Neptunia]

About leadership and morale management. Indeed. Being a psychologist for your entire team? I can imagine that it's incredibly exhausting and for what? A rank? You're basically an unpaid employee at this point.

[@niall9164]

Loser queue is real because of the EOMM system they use. "Engagement optimized matchmaking". It gives people who are on a losing streak easy wins and it gives people on winning streaks hard losses - this is so the losers keep playing &the winners get frustrated and queue up again

[@necoji4910]

i thought only losers could queue for league in the first place

[@yournemesis192]

I mean my main account got stuck in D3 and I often demote to D4 and then I hard stomp a few games until I'm really close to D2, then I get games where my ENTIRE team gets railed. Everyone is 0/12 and auto filled, meanwhile enemy team is all on their main roles playing like SKT in worlds finals. I made a new account and easily got to D2 with like 76% win rate in 40 games. There's no way my skill got so much better that I can hard stomp 350 lp masters players when I lose in lobsterlow D3 on the other account.

[@TheOblomoff]

Remind me please - Why 'matchmaking by rank' was never an option? Ah right, it was something about: 'if we make our algorithms public - people will find a way to manipulate them '. Oh no, they will play more efficiently, the horror! And I'm still hating on all that hidden mmr stuff. For many reasons.

[@Notllamalord]

If the algorithm worked properly there wouldn’t be anything to exploit

[@faisfaizal5194]

We all know why they hide the mmr. Because even they don't understand shit about that system

[@lozaramon1126]

if you think losers queue does not exist u have not played enough ranked

[@CoachSpongeLoL]

8 years playing that game in 5 different accounts and realizing how coinflip some games are

[@niall9164]

Loser queue is real because of the EOMM system they use. "Engagement optimized matchmaking". It gives people who are on a losing streak easy wins and it gives people on winning streaks hard losses - this is so the losers keep playing &the winners get frustrated and queue up again

[@knightofnightside]

forcing a 50/50 win rate is self explainatory, that and the neglect and carelessness in favor of pure greed. that is what destroys a lot of western game studios and is the direct payoff for this ignorance and arrogance of higher ups where the big money begins, moral ends

[@zihechen3111]

Its socialism

[@eliasrng2413]

Well u hear a whole lot of challenger players talk about losers queue and sincerly believing it does exist. Most of These players proofed more than one time that they know the Game way better than any dev. Maybe they didnt Program something like losers queue in the first place, but it does exist no matter if its intended or Not.

[@GS_CCC]

If the dude who got challenger in all roles says it is real it is probably real, Especially when Riot is the one saying it is a conspiracy.

[@bazookaman1353]

​@@GS_CCCNo way, Riot is a good company who would never lie. Just ask the women who worked there, they'll definitely agree. Companies are our friends. Companies are always right.

[@polishhockeyfan]

@@GS_CCC Yup. All these people out here saying it's just bronzie cope when you have multiple Top Challenger players who vehemently believe it's existence and probably have more hours than the entire comment section combined. But what do they know amirite?

[@GS_CCC]

@@polishhockeyfan yep, if challengers says it is there, and they are at challenger, it just means it is something you have to deal with not that climbing becomes impossible. Just makes it take longer and wastes time.

[@Krashevil]

@@GS_CCCthat doesn't make it ok. why does matchmaking have to be so nasty like this? why can't it just be evenly matched 5v5? it's never like that. it's always stomp or be stomped. that's not fun whichever side you're in. this is abuse.

[@carterdelaney4648]

I always thought “loser’s queue” referred to just getting super unlucky with your teammates over and over. I never knew players actually thought the company was out to get them specifically. That’s hilarious that people actually think that

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

same i always assumed it was just a jokey way of explaining a losing streak 😭

[@d4s0n282]

yeah this dumbass community legit think its real, if you want to see the salt, go into any video talking about it, its kinda funny gsee how deep the copium is

[@d4s0n282]

@@iwakeupandboomimarat nm legit just go into these comments and you can see the copium lol

[@_Fulgur_]

yeah even i thought it was ludicrous. why would a company go out of their way to make a matchmaking system to make people lose? it would only make more people frustrated with the game and probably end up leaving it

[@paulojose7568]

"to get them specifically" no one thinks this

[@jejemiados1947]

elo hell was a better variant of this since if you are playing with bad people, ofc you're the only one to make the difference, it implies you need to step up and do something about your matches if you actually want to climb

[@Krashevil]

the game doesn't let you know you're in a losers queue game until it's too late. they even hid summoner names in champ select which was our only way to identify if we were to be in losersq.

[@Soapy_Papoose]

There is no way the guy tilted out of his mind and literally foaming at the mouth isn't playing perfectly! Definitely a loser's queue. /s

[@BlahBohogun]

Yes cause focusing on my own gameplay totally helps when bot lane has acheieved 20 deaths collectively between them and it ain't even 20 minutes yet.

[@coolbrotherf127]

Some games are unwinnable due to any number of random factors like being autofilled or people playing while tilted. The thing is, so many games are winnable even with bad players if you enable them to come back through smart macro. Sure you might lose if the bot lane is 0/20, but if you're 20/0 you'll might just carry fights without them.

[@tigerhead85]

Yep, what about the games where someone carried your noob ass? Didn't see you complain about that shit.

[@BurritooMafia]

Team game btw​@@coolbrotherf127

[@Borecz.]

I demoted in 2 weeks from dia 3 to plat 1s i had 70% win ratio and now 48%. Every game i do bigger dmg than my whole team i can have 20 kills per game and still cant win game. My top is afk farming and refuses to help team. My jungler ignore objectives and just farm. And my bot is everytime 0/20. I can roam a can hard push i can play mid 3v1 and my teammates stay under turrets and afking. Im done with this game fr. I tried so much but i cant escape this shit que with fkin losers.

[@polishhockeyfan]

I dont care if its copium, but Riot would NEVER admit to its existence. Do you understand the legal ramificatioms of doing so? The money at stake? Do you know how much League is worth? It absolutely exists. If games felt close, yes, Id agree the conspiracy feels flimsy, but its often these weird extremes where diamiond players will genuinely act like theyve never played the game before and not understand basic mechanics. Its way too weird.

[@SirSwag-vd2mc]

Please research EOMM. Loser queue is real because of the EOMM system they use. "Engagement optimized matchmaking". It gives people who are on a losing streak easy wins and it gives people on winning streaks hard losses - this is so the losers keep playing & the winners get frustrated and queue up again. RESEARCH EOMM

[@Kgfao]

League players are so salty that the developers had to make a formal statement just to say "skill issue"

[@Mega11]

Those same developers willingly lied on multiple occasions and only admitted to said lies when caught

[@d4s0n282]

@@Mega11 need sources for this :)

[@Mega11]

@@d4s0n282 yasukeh is my source

[@shiningfilmzph]

​@@d4s0n282 I do hate it when people just say something is true without referencing or citing any sources.

[@ElijiahCater-xg9dq]

@@shiningfilmzphif you want proof do the research yourself. This is a comment section not a research paper

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

BULLY MUSIC ‼️‼️‼️

[@jasongrundy1717]

They don't put bad people on your team... They put a good player on a bad team to carry them. OW2 is particularly bad for this, I'll have the best stats of the team in 95% of games.

[@guru230]

It is funny though how I can accurately predict when I'm in losers queue and when I will get losing streaks with like 90% accuracy. It's funny how after winning 5 games in a row ending at plat 1 97 lp, I thought to myself SURELY I won't get put in losers q... the very next game my entire team inted and mid went afk, the game after team inted, support went afk, 3 games after everyone is just running it and literally not even trying to win from the start. But I guess it's my fault that my teammates decide to go afk or troll after every winstreak that I worked for, I guess I should go watch more skillcapped videos 🤡🤡🤡

[@zihechen3111]

U should just start to be average. Like what I am doing now. The more dmg u deal the more bad teams u saved. U will get punished more by the system. So stop playing good. Just be average and stay back. That is this dumb game encourage us to do

[@fishbazooka]

Facts. It does exist

[@AVALONXIX]

Other factors like boosted silver players or players that have bought high elo accounts are the ones that performs awful because the don’t belong in that elo and is noticeable, that’s a problem that competitive games face and they can’t do shiet about that 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@samhennessy7108]

climbed from iron to bronce 1 90lp in 3 days... suddenly i lose every single game. im bronce 4 0lp now. 16 loses in a row. please tell me that losers queue doesnt exist lmao XD

[@balaganeshkuruba8236]

lol,. hardswinging it is., I have been getting hard swung between iron and bronze for like almost a year now.

[@StellarisVT]

Losers queue technically doesn't exist, the matchmaking system is just awful.

[@rikterandersson3568]

copium

[@SirSwag-vd2mc]

FALSE. Loser queue is real because of the EOMM system they use. "Engagement optimized matchmaking". It gives people who are on a losing streak easy wins and it gives people on winning streaks hard losses - this is so the losers keep playing & the winners get frustrated and queue up again. RESEARCH EOMM

[@KiMLoKO1]

@@SirSwag-vd2mc 100% agree that riot is using this...

[@blahblah94897]

I would believe it, expect even faker gets lose streaks, then I no longer caare about what devs are saying

[@Stagnargh]

Holy shit when you open with bully music you know it's gonna be a banger video

[@sharkas9965]

"We have investigated ourselves and found no fault"

[@crocodile567]

I mean looser’s q isn’t what people think it is, putting bad player in your team only to make you loose doesn’t exist BUT above master 300lp having 5 person drafted on off role is a real thing, while enemy team have all 5 main roles. THAT is the looser Q for me and it does exist

[@d4s0n282]

thats not losers q, jthats just unlucky, lucky q is what its happening on purpose

[@crocodile567]

@@d4s0n282 when i see a game when everyone need to swap coz they all got drafted off role but enemy team is on main i dont call that unlucky, i mean it cant be.

[@d4s0n282]

@@crocodile567 it is 100% just unlucky

[@Win32Neptunia]

Even one player off role is a game that is decided before the match even started, there is no fairness as he will be placed against a one-trick. The whole team off role? That shouldn't be even possible and that's rigged in it's finest. That's why dodges are so rampant.

[@Justnothankyou132]

Learn how to spell then come back

[@si1entgmer263]

If you want players to focus more on their own gameplay, then reward them for playing well and still lose, such as lose way less lp. It sounds to me like Riot is just trying to coverup their loser's queue matchmaking

[@_Xroud]

I don't believe losers queue in that sense exists, but they 100% go for an engagement focused matchmaking instead of a fair one. They want you to have as close to a 50% winrate as possible and to slow your ranking up. I've also seen a bunch of "underdog" games where just simply by looking at both teams stats you can see one is a clear favourite to win I assume this is the result of that too. They will never admit this, but they did separate MMR and Rank and they did make MMR hidden which has 0 player benefit and allows them to do exactly this to the matchmaking.

[@KenBladehart]

Loser Queue never existed. People just will it into existence by being shit players Its just a destructive cycle: Lose match ↓ Blame other players ↓ Starts playing terribly ↓ Affects other players' morale ↓ Cycle back to the beginning

[@andrewsabeni137]

copium lol

[@Krashevil]

50 cents have been deposited into your account shill.

[@SirSwag-vd2mc]

FALSE!!! PLEASE RESEARCH EOMM. Loser queue is real because of the EOMM system they use. "Engagement optimized matchmaking". It gives people who are on a losing streak easy wins and it gives people on winning streaks hard losses - this is so the losers keep playing & the winners get frustrated and queue up again. RESEARCH EOMM

[@Realsupergingerman]

The game is designed to keep your wr around 50% - 55%. To get above that, you have to smurf, but even after a few while, you get put into horrible matchmaking till your wr is around 50%.

[@zinfuldreams1709]

no thats not true. The developers said they dont intentionally rig games to keep you at 50% winrate

[@Realsupergingerman]

​@zinfuldreams1709 Even pros or streamer has around 50%wr, even they has losing spree which can get to 10 losing spree.

[@krotcute]

​@@Realsupergingermanno that's not true. The developers said they don't intentionally rig games to make you having losing spree

[@Wylade]

@@Realsupergingerman 50% wr AT CHALLENGER lmao because they are the best, playing against the best. If you have a 50% wr, you're at the right rank

[@noahmoore7373]

Bully soundtrack goes hard

[@edfreak9001]

It's nice of Riot to gaslight the community to try and keep the myth of fair and balanced matchmaking alive. It's like Santa Claus all over again! disclaimer: i haven't played League since Yasuo was the upcoming new champion

[@metalhead1948]

So do you expect them to openly admit ??? Of course they won't. Losers queue is %100 legit. It is so obvious. You even see it in the lobby with weird picks and too much talks. It is not about winrate since riot tries to maintain players around %50 already. Riot has a great algorithm to gather the most toxic, surrendering, thrash talking, mentally weak players together and the enemy is always consist of players that need one win for their promotion or close to that. Losers queue is basically a ladder for winners queue to climb.

[@krauszvlad4863]

Things that you control "0-15 toplaners Junglers that can't gank tho OPONENT is literally a KOG MAW with 0 mobility in my turret getting 5 plates" Yeah losers queue is real to the bone

[@drgoofysmurf]

It's not loser queue, it's EOMM. It makes you play the game more

[@Marrtinike19]

Having 2-3 people in your team being 3-13 in 7 out of 10 games is a little obvious though

[@tortilla7221]

losers queue EXIST! in a way and that way is the very bad matchmaking! it's not skill based nor rank based! it's more like if you feel like you win too much just prepare to lose so much and vice versa ! and if you are withing mixed situation wire you lose and win rondomly, then rest assured you will lose that place soon get relegated then you will start to win too much again... and you w know what happens next..

[@samuelwhittenburg8742]

Lol Why else do you think they wont release a version of ranked that prevents autofills?

[@c4pt4in_sl4yer2]

lose lane is the reak worse

[@UnrebornMortuus]

poroprofessor puts scripter and urgot who doesnt lose on enemy team but cold streak gangstalkers on mine lol

[@vecterisblackheart9687]

They could fool me went from silver to iron…….. IRON

[@drbornawesomeness3263]

Gigantic is back

[@mandyoxi2333]

Do you really think, in a world where AI can predict Cancer, a company does not know the result of the next game with every stat available from every player? Matchmaking rigs every match: As soon as u get in a winning strake u will get 0/10 yasuos, afks, jungle autofilled, i even got once 2 autofilled - jungle and sup, and they actually main sup and jungle, the same exact opposite. Matchmaking works against you, to drop you down as soon as spossible to the 52% wr (in case you are good) when you are getting close to your previous rank. As soon as you are above 60% the might of afks, inters and autofilleds comes upon you, in order to 'correct' your winrate to 52% and your projected elo in several games comes closer to your past rank. Check how easy it is for you to place in your past rank, im not talking about stomping becasue the enemy team is just bad, im talking about extra factors like afk or inters which makes the game unplayable and a secure win for you. Why the 52%? Well do the math, you will need 200 games in order to climb a higher rank, thats almost all season for a vast majority of players. Thats how RIto keeps its base gamers playing season after season.

[@MoGabbRomania]

they deny the reality , i just unninstalled this shit game, poop balance

[@afiqhashin642]

me with my dark system on MLBB

[@againstallodds3962]

actually they do lol 1 out of 4 games they put u in a decent team, the rest is losing team, eveyone losing lane, inting etc

[@AVALONXIX]

If looser’s Queue doesn’t exist, then is just a bad judgement or a wrong way to say that the game is fixed to keep you grinding, stay playing the game and spend money through the years, I think that’s the real explanation to this “looser’s queue” issue and this is more believable than some created urban legend imo.

[@lozaramon1126]

if a batter player rewies our games he could find a way to win it . sure so i have to be challenger to win a game in gold cuz losers queue does not exist ... damn

[@thunderjolt69]

Nice.

[@blackshinkuu5235]

I just wonder where the 100games in a row wins match history is for challangers climbing in a new season. Why does this not exist? If it is all based on you, at least one challanger player should have a 100 games win streak. Where is that at?

[@frankjoz2803]

Terrible argument. Just awful

[@jesusofsuburbia3675]

Bro unironically said "git gud" to league fans lmao

[@alejandromontetres1595]

Yes. Let's believe a tweet...

[@BaeruemFull]

Nah losers queue is real, at least for me it is always the same, i have some chill and nice games and then suddenly everything changes, starting with champ select, people are toxic without reason and die before you cleared your jungle. Some start trolling/running it down, some just say they dont care and afk farm sidelane and after the game you check the match history and see they are on 10 games losing streak, then you go into the next game and the same thing happens all over again, i legit had that multiple times where i checked my and the enemies team match history after the games and i had for consecutive games just people that perform worse recently, while people with winning streaks or high% winrate are in the enemy team, same goes for winnersq, sometimes i just win 5+ games without even contributing anything to the game, i clear my jungle and after the 6 camp my team already diffed every lane.

[@BenFoster-cx4em]

believing anyone at riot games.

[@prodromosx07]

Something that I would like to add. Loser's doesn't exist but that doesn't imply that you're not going to lose a game. Even if we could say that a player's skill level is Challenger, they're still going to lose a game or two or maybe even more in a lower elo ranked game. League of legends' ranked system is designed with a sole purpose of putting a player in the exact rank which they belong. What matters is the consistency in a player's performance that makes a difference. There are unwinnable games with teammates quitting/intentionally losing the game. However, these games are 1 out of 50 for the 99% of the playerbase. People refuse to accept the competitive nature of league of legends ranked soloq, because it is just a videogame.

[@zihechen3111]

There are better and worse players. In fair competition the wr between each player should be different. Loser queue is trying to make all player wr close to 50% meaning they punish good players and reward bad players

[@prodromosx07]

@@zihechen3111 I don't agree with the way you're phrasing it. There are no "good" or "bad" players. As a matter of fact, why consider someone as a "bad" player just cause they are having a rough time? Riot ain't out there to get anyone.

[@zihechen3111]

@@prodromosx07 that is why ur socialism dream never worked. Good should be rewarded. If competition doesn’t exist. Ppl are just having the equal results no matter u doing bad or good. Life is just boring.

[@zihechen3111]

@@prodromosx07 that is why ur socialism’s dream never worked

[@prodromosx07]

@@zihechen3111 I don't really understand, your point, let alone you haven't mine. I feel like good players are being rewarded already. If you're good, you're probably climbing. Also, it's pointless labeling someone as "good" or "bad", it's way too general.

[@QuartQuin]

im adc and my top feeds 0 10 2 at 12 min, ofc my outcomes could have change anything about that. losers queue is real because riot needs players to be close to 50% WR when u get higher than 55% riot will put u in game with players with less than 45% WR and that is the definition of LOSER QUEUE and ofc they say " we dont put u there" yes u dont, its just the coding and the ones who wrote it dont even talk because they know its like that.~

[@pozisus7712]

lliar's....

[@Senpai-Haru]

I do believe is real i go 30+ kills but my team are all dying and fighting for no reason and i dropped from diamond to gold 2 or i get afk or players who gives up and spams ff omg fk you league and liers!

[@LowIQinHQ]

The game in blind/normal/quickplay will put you on a losing streak to keep you at 50%. I shouldn’t have to prove it. You prove me wrong. I’m calling out all Challanger players! All Lol players. Challenge 1: level an account from 1-30 above a 150% w/l. Challenge 2: try to make it past a 25 game loose streak in Blind/Quickplay. Challenge 3: after level 30. Either fall below 0.60 w/l or be above 1.2 win loss. It can’t be done because…. If x < 0.60 , where x = win/loss Then sum of friendly players (p1+p2+p3+p4) >= 1.2 win/loss It’s probably also coded there is a pocket between .95 win/loss to 1.05 win/loss to allow verbally abusive angry flagged players to try to evoke emotions out of you so it’s not so clear there is something going on. Challenge 4: purposely drop your honor level to zero then climb back to honor level 2. While climbing compliment your team, be nice, and say good things. The game will give you the most toxic players during the climb.

[@pigguviews9624]

Its engagement based matchmaking, doesn't force losses but they know only winning doesn't "engage" players as long.

[@krebsmatrix3556]

3 games in a row i lost and all my teammates lost their last 10 games for sure. And The players of enemy team won their last games so if it was totally random i shouldve get at least one person in my team that won his last game right. But no losersqueue is fake

[@MoGabbRomania]

my advice for all, if you want a happy life just unninstall this trash game , its so easy

[@ElijiahCater-xg9dq]

People are so quick to cry about teammates but never the times when they’re the teammates who ruin other peoples games

[@coachmcguirk6297]

Are you at Genesis with Atrioc?

[@smokyx]

great video

[@mappybc6097]

Notice how loser's queue is always perceived asymmetrically by whiners. They never get easy Ws thanks to LQ effing the good players on the opposing team. They are never LQ fodder themselves and thus responsible for their team losing. Nah, it's personal. The system goes specifically after them, cause they are just that good 😂.

[@malakaisavieti9381]

Is that why i am paired with bots and guys who wanna kill themselves soz

[@Nicolas-qc3jf]

imagine playing league or dota in 2023 when smt iv, elden ring, p4g, factorio and age of empires 2 exists...

[@gaymergirl1]

oh hey what a coincidence, Viveros just posted a video about elo hell yesterday

[@EvanSaltare]

I don't play league and this is the first time I'm hearing about this. One question I have though is if the you're queueing with other losing player, wouldn't that player pool also consist of "good" players, supposedly like yourself, who've been losing? What are the odds you're getting matched with genuinely bad players only? It sounds like just an excuse the community is making for having a streak of losses. It's not like you're going to win every match so it just sounds like an excuse to rage.

[@Akshonesports]

As with most games, the matchmaking system isn't perfect but it will try its best to match people at the same skill level as you are. At the end of the day, the only common denominator is "you" the player across all the games you play. You have the most agency over your own actions and if you're higher skill level than the average of the 9 other players a given game you mathematically will naturally climb to your appropriate rank until you graduate out of it.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

You don't need to be exclusively paired with bad players. A player who underperform for his rank can cost the game and a team with an average win rate of 48% performs significantly worse than a team with average of 52% Some games try to "fix" your losing streaks by pairing you with better players or match you against players of higher ranks when you outperform expectations. In Pokemon Unite for instance, there was a point where you could intentionally lose a few matches, reboot the game and you'd be likely paired with players who outclass every single opponent in every metric until you exit the lobby. The people on the receiving end of this, backed by the data being public, are justified in calling it unfair Also, if bad behavior is weighted heavily, you could be placed with abusive players more which makes it more likely you'd get reported (legitimately or not) and stuck with those players

[@BaseballerGalactic]

"Focus on the things you can control" That's why I quit playing in S9. I got to D2 out of spite so that I could say the game was terrible, and if you disagreed, there was a literal 99% chance you were worse than me so I knew better.

[@PeterLauschick]

liars

[@Notllamalord]

The ccp has gotten to this channel, he’s become a tencent shill

[@Bladieblah]

It's more likely it's the other way around. They match players with losses up with team mates that win more than them and against worse teams so that they get a win every once in a while. Nobody likes losing and handing people who lose a lot a dub every now and then keeps them happy (and playing)

[@enakchandler3812]

I’ve lost the last 12 out of 13 games like Broo losers queue is real top half of the map gap every fucking game

[@hansj4832]

If Riot really was putting you in a losers' queue, it would be because they want you to quit and never come back. Which would mean that you would never, ever come out of losers' queue, even between seasons. (Unless you bought something, ig)

[@FoxMcovitch]

yeah its not losers Q... ITS RIOT GAMES TENCENT MIND CONTROL GOOP SERUM

[@andrewsabeni137]

Losers Queue exist, you can test this in a way; Be toxic for 5 match, you can see how their algorithm works just more than "MMR". I've actually sent ticket to riot to fix that, they had actually because i've been sending more than 20 tickets per day

[@subtlewhatssubtle]

LoL players really out there thinking a billion dollar company would waste any of its resources solely to mess with their ranking for no financial gain (and yes, there is no financial gain in making you angry, since Riot makes its revenue off skins and angry players are less likely to open their wallets for cosmetic reasons). Talk about self centered. News flash, LoL players. 99.9999% of you DO NOT MATTER to Riot. To be "out to get you," they'd have to have an interest about you in some way first, and I can virtually guarantee you that no one cares about your LoL ranking, other than you.

[@noztk]

billion dolar company investing in having players spend more time in their game" there fixed it for you.

[@subtlewhatssubtle]

​@@noztk You know I was gonna type up a response about the impracticality of loser's queue even existing from the perspective of a businessman with a responsibility to keep the income flow steady, but I think instead I'll just answer you with three (fitting) letters that describe my response to your take: lol.

[@polishhockeyfan]

It keeps you on the hamsterwheel longer, which gets you playing the game more, which leads to a higher chance of you purchasing ingame items, merchandise, etc. If you won all the time it'd be boring, if you lost all the time you'd quit. Forced 50 exists in games to keep that dopamine in check.

[@subtlewhatssubtle]

@@polishhockeyfan "Forced 50" is an amusing concept to me because it betrays a misunderstanding of basic statistics. Of course when you're in the average for your MMR you're going to be winning as often as losing. That's how statistics works out for any sample point in the average range for a given spread. There's nothing forced about it; Riot doesn't have to do anything other than establish the break points. The math will take care of itself. Observe games without casual ranks like those published by Wargaming. Now in this instance, hilariously lopsided win-lose rates will start popping up, like "super" players with 60% win rates and "megabads" with below 40% win rates. In this environment without ranks, the average range still exists at, you guessed it, the 50% mark give or take a percentage. And even then, in this environment without MMR or SBMM, players *still* complain that the matchmaker rigs against them, when it's just math. Riot is not a good company but let's call them out for reasons that are actually validated, like their use of forced arbitration or the professionally inappropriate emails about fellow employees.

[@meropticon_1651]

It's called engagement based matchmaking, and it has existed for years now. Riot absolutely fucks with your matches, to reduce your churn rate. By forcing losses you are more likely to play more matches, and at the same time the system occasionally puts you against fingerless players to force wins as well, again, to reduce your churn rate. If you think riot does not use tactics like this to get you hooked on their game like a drug, you are delusional.

[@DigiMatt52]

Am I smelling an Akshon Esports video about CoD players bitching about Skill Based Matchmaking?

[@evolancer211]

Still don't understand the fascination with LoL

[@saltkeeper44]

The game is fun when you can play the game, it's not fun when you're being stomped to death because your teammates sucks ass and the only thing they do is complaining... basically the same issues that all comp games have

[@Akshonesports]

LoL is the most fun when playing with friends.

[@TheOblomoff]

Everything is better with friends. LoL is just a product of aggressive and good marketing. And hitting it big as one of the first famous f2p games.

[@fancen]

boser

[@xBox360BENUTZER]

But it does exist and they admitted to it even if they call it differently. Matching based on mmr instead of your rank IS essentially losers que and promotes toxicity.

[@RekiWylls]

Why wouldn't they match based on your mmr? That's the actual measurement of your skill, not your rank. Being a certain rank just means you managed to not lose just enough to not get demoted. Your rank is just an easy-to-read status symbol.

[@cousinpatsey2471]

That doesn't make any sense. MMR is the better gauge of your skill, not the fancy rank badge they give you.

[@ade5691]

Absolute Bulls**T. There is an enormous amount of evidence across multiple games that manipulate their matchmaking. It might not be intentional, but there is such thing as a 50% forced win rate. All the system is trying to do is maximise player retention. You just need to ask about the worst players and what they would do if they constantly lose games, they will inevitably quit. This outcome is unacceptable because they will not buy skins. When gamers complain about loosers que, it's clearly about those players being matched with others to try to manipulate the win ratio of worse players. In laymans terms, if you are a player who is above the skill bell curve, you are cursed into having to constantly play in a state where you have to drag the team kicking and screaming towards the finish line. If your below? You get to sit back and be carried a lot.

[@unicorn7234]

Of course, they’re not intentionally putting bad players on your team to make you lose more. Because they’re intentionally putting bad players on your team to make you play more and stay online for a longer time🤡 P.S. I’m on the Skooch theory side