Riot Was RIGHT About URF

[@AWildRaito]

Playing URF: makes you want to play league Playing URF versus sweats: *_no._*

[@leahhylia]

Or playing URF with sweats that flame you in a featured game mode like it’s ranked .-.

[@mikyas392]

i just got back form a game which the enemy just split push all game and back doored .in urf!

[@eadbert1935]

when did sweat become popular as opposed to tryhard? doing nice outplays can get you sweaty, but constant PvE will not. and i don't mind someone playing their heart out and doing insane outplays to win, but i do mind the yorick/trynd/etc players that never leave sidelane and avoid all contact with enemy players in (any) fun mode. am i misunderstanding something?

[@rezonance4937]

Dude urf sweats are the worst

[@uneterostardust8233]

Tfuks a "Sweat"? that's a new term

[@GamerGrimm]

“given the opportunity, Players will optimize the fun out of a game. One of the responsibilities of designers is to protect the player from themselves.” -Sid Meier’s Civilization’s Devs.

[@poycixyz4614]

This is so accurate it's blowing my mind

[@ErikNiceBoy]

As a wise man once said: "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game"

[@voilvelev6775]

I see that you're either an older gamer or you watch Josh Strife Hayes.

[@RagingRugbyst]

@@voilvelev6775 or any long form review channel.

[@hwuntsu4425]

and an urf trundle with 200 armor mr will 2 shot a turret and call it fun

[@RagingRugbyst]

@@hwuntsu4425 it is fun. League isn't a co-op game. If my fun is being annoying to opponents then imma do it.

[@voilvelev6775]

@@hwuntsu4425Listen, I DO splitpush in Urf sometimes, cause it feels dumb. But I do it with Malzahar, spamming W voidlings to tank the tower shots. Why I do this? Cause it feels like you're commanding a Zerg army :D :P

[@walkermcmullin3106]

The problem is that they refuse to do what Smite does, which is make game modes that simply tweak one or two things, like a Yordle-only champ select, or Shadow Isles vs sentinels, or a mode that just gives you max gold immediately. Just getting these same game modes makes them boring.

[@Pedropaulopoloni]

those smite game modes were the good shit, man. That and the daily missions. When Riot said they were going to add mission to League I was so hyped because I thought it would be like in Smite, small objectives that I can go and complete everyday, but then they made mission tied to events, and most of them are just ''do big number of damage/dragons/takedowns'' it was a huge disappointment.

[@pettermiranda4651]

multiple mythics could be nice too

[@fitmotheyap]

@@pettermiranda4651 uh oh 5 everfrost + rabadon incoming

[@pettermiranda4651]

@@fitmotheyap maybe not the SAME item, but multiples of different mythics, like hexbelt + everfrost

[@fitmotheyap]

@@pettermiranda4651 everfrost + riftmaker + 4 rabadons

[@anotherrogue8371]

The problem with current urf is Riot only ever releases it alongside an event with a pass you can buy to get points for wins, to eventually get a prestige skin. This is giving every sweatlord a literal monetary incentive to just pick the OP meta champs to push out games as fast as possible to hit 2k points and get the prestige skin.

[@shadows_star]

Yeah. This!!!

[@Starboy1939]

I'm in this sentence and i don't like it.

[@justanannepfp9814]

ohhhh! yeah, forgot i could do that!!

[@losman4107]

"sweatlord" lmao

[@pgfontana97]

Had people in my urf matches trying to give up or end it faster by losing bc they wouldn't get points for the match

[@iiiivvvv9986]

I still maintain ultimate spellbook is the best gamemode: level three and bonus gold start feels great, games aren't too fast paced, ultimates make everyone op instead of just some champs (sure some are better than others but chance means it's unlikely to get it all the time), and even the op ults feal fun like just seeing someone with Cho ult running around taller than a tower

[@tiggerbane4325]

Being yelled at to play Leona with Q maxed and maxed ability haste ruined spellbook for me never playing it again.

[@jaotrx7163]

Wtf?

[@remito7839]

I still remember playing Gragas in Ultimate Spellbook, somehow I always got Nocturne ult. There is just something inherently funny when the fattest dude on the rift suddenly sprints at his enemies at light speed.

[@toddwilliams8128]

especially funny having a Cho ult on a fed Veigar... the scaling is STOOOOOPID can't wait for US to come back

[@iiiivvvv9986]

@@toddwilliams8128 omg I haven't tried that before, definitely trying that if it comes back

[@KAMFP]

When the main game's damage is like URF, URF becomes a mad house.

[@Markeeyon]

this is exactly what i was thinking. there's just too much damage in urf that it becomes ridiculous for me.

[@dineshramchand8397]

Not to mention the additional 25% crit damage they added out of nowhere. I did like 300 damage on a Tristana E while I was only level 4 with 2 points in it. Fuck were they thinking lmao

[@shadows_star]

@@dineshramchand8397 How do you have crit already at level four?

[@TigerTT]

Oddly enough,my reaction time is much better in URF this year than in previous years for some reason lmao. I think URF is good for training your reflexes though. I still like regular matches for the sake of the pace and well actually being able to use certain champs because tons are just pointless to pick in URF such as Yorick. I also noticed that Night Harvester has no cooldown whatsoever in URF lmfao,its even more broken than Liandry's in this case. I've tried it on both Teemo and Heimerdinger a few times and I've never seen it go on cooldown in that mode.

[@TheHighLizard]

@@dineshramchand8397 I think that they added 100% more scaling on attack speed is more ridiculous. Like honestly making ad champs just better (more than they already are cause they literally cant miss) MF and Trist can literally get capped attack speed without a single attack speed item.

[@amilo5]

"I am gonna lock in Zed and upload this to my KZbin Zed Compilation" - Everything wrong with League in a Nutshell

[@Molotov3KKK]

URF nowdays is bad, because META gaming exist: When urf got released for the first time people were excited about new game mode and possibilities it would bring in to gameplay. they would experiment with champions on a whole different levels like going tryndamere AP, full AS Naulthilius and many more, it was fun because it was new and there wasn't any guides how to play. Now with META and tier lists people instead of wanting to try new things for fun, they look up what's the strongest and has most win-ratio, because they don't want to play something that has 10% WR they want to win, and dying is not fun. And because of that every lobby is full of Yi, Zed, Malphite, Yuumi, Ezreals that offer little for actual engaging and fun gameplay but rather spam all skills and get kills.

[@MultiMetar]

Yeah exactly, URF was fun when we went balls to the wall and just had fun. But with it now being the equivalent of ranked, it's just no fun anymore

[@GrimRuler]

URF games went meta super quick back then tho, everyone was just spamming mages/AP assassins. Mundo in URF was so fun back then.

[@darkspine133]

That and people also just suck the fun out of it even more, nowadays you see so many people running exhaust in URF too.

[@NotKonan019]

That's why I think urf all random is so much funner

[@sweggs3599]

I love picking op champs and going weird builds on em. No ones talking about divine sunderer on hit malphite even tho i swear i slapped em up. It works for almost every champ. Apart from yuumi. Ap garen with rift maker? Its disgusting. Not in urf, in aram. But still. Point stands

[@lcdc_azuralie]

I think that most people who tryhard urfs are people who have the pass and just think that abusing urf meta and urfs in general is a quick and easy way to get tokens.

[@JDReC100]

it was the same befor Passes were a thing. now its just even worse.

[@JimTheBananaBoy]

I did it for tokens and easy S ranks

[@saverh279]

Winning is fun, 1vs 5 is fun so it's just a way for one player to have all the fun while the rest suffer. Same reason why people play popular decks in card games.

[@sERiiuS]

I really fell in love with Nexus Blitz. The mini-games keep things interesting and the global match timer makes sure that games are relatively quick. I think this should be a permanent mode tbh

[@freshlymemed5680]

Blitz was definitely super fun. Too bad its also the living embodiment of Riots awful programming. Bugs and bugs galore.

[@xristoskoumpourlis1614]

i only played the very first one, idk exactly why but for me after the first one the rest sucked asss

[@amberlearner8324]

It's like League of Legends Mario Party. Who doesn't like tha- oh wait...

[@mauroramondo5855]

It's cool but nexus blitz runs at 10fps in my pc for some reason (rift runs at 40+)

[@zarlus8]

I never played; my brother says it's the best thing LoL ever did. Since I play supports, I would actually prefer matches with a defined ending.

[@dog319]

If everyone was on the same page about not being sweaty in URF, we'd be fine. URF just makes players more of a version of themselves. Sweats sweat even harder. Meme champ players meme even harder.

[@yourlocalwaifu8601]

Like🙄this enemy fizz I saw was such a tryhard

[@Hyurno]

Urf goes too fast for my liking, i get stressed New chams are crazy enough with their usual cooldowns... Urf is overkill

[@omegaultra7443]

love your covers Hyurno

[@nishantjoshi6712]

yeah. i played against cassio and voli top. was not fun to say the least

[@OfficalF4nTaTv]

I played urf when it begin. The very first. It was really fun. The second time urf come around i played like 3 games since then i didn't play a single game of urf. There are reasons for this but honestly the fact they want to "balance" urf made it so bad for me. Same with aram but i played the most aram games ever so they do something right i guess.

[@cds7012]

Agreed.

[@hamdepaf6686]

well normal league is almoust just as fast nowadays, and urf means I waste less time on LoL when I play... god that sounds so sad... and like thats the truth

[@alanevans5353]

"I'm gonna dodge this urf game." Someone else dodges: "I cant believe people are dodging or games!"

[@GonickuDB]

I mean, he was dodging to not play a game in the first place, that person dodged cuz of a ban

[@alanevans5353]

@@GonickuDB that's literally worse than dodging for a ban. made sure that lobby had a 0% chance of having a game just to try to prove a point

[@ScootaReader]

@@alanevans5353 You think those people in the lobby care in any way about a dodge? That's the nature of League. Dodging is the least toxic thing the community does, because it avoids things like inting.

[@CelestialMelody]

And then they dodge their skillshot too~ *Mind Blown*

[@manuman5319]

​@@alanevans5353 Oh my god are you serious ?? He just did this once to prove a point in urf, the gamemode that give you 5 second queues.

[@nidium1951]

Top 1 things I hate: People being competetive in URF.

[@CrabKFP]

Same. Some people think they are playing their promo. Don't get me wrong, I still love urf, but some peps go way too hard there

[@estrela4035]

For, *REAL*

[@dragondestroyer8465]

Competitive Urf players probably main Garen and use the cool downs to play harder champs and don’t like to int by playing Critzcrank

[@MeitanteiKevin]

Thats why I hate URF so much tho. You can't have fun anymore cause you see the same champs over and over again. Random URF was a bit better but still unfun

[@tadaotakumi9852]

had a game where they got tanks, split pushing, and a 1v5 kiting Vayne while my team was all troll building. It was less than 10 minutes because they tried so hard to put us down when we were just trying to have fun.

[@pokemastericon]

I feel like they could attract more people to the game and solve this if they allowed URF custom games

[@tsunamie1015]

RIOT could do a whole lot to make alternative game modes more appealing and more engaging over longer periods of time. But they won't, because that requires effort, and RIOT made it clear that they are not gonna put any effort into even small things if it won't result in potentially tons of revenue. They're focused on making a game that gets a lot of publicity, wether that be through fancy skins, world championships, exciting new champs, etc. All of those will result in play spikes and revenue. They're not focused on alternative game modes or reskins like a winter summoners rift and barely shurn out visual overhauls, because in terms of player interest and revenue, those don't do a lot if anything.

[@lucayaki]

I just miss the Thresh game. That was probably the best mode they ever added and excluded any chance of people creating a meta for it.

[@voilvelev6775]

Also they have NO EXCUSE to not release it. It costs them NOTHING. Its just 3v3, no items, all play the same champion and its literally THE SMALLEST MAP IN THE GAME. It requiers literally no resources to release it again. But they wont. Because if something isnt making selling cosmetics for those sweet bucks for Daddy Tencent - then its deemed useless.

[@DraknorDragor]

@@voilvelev6775 This is a good point maybe they should release more modes that are extremely basic yet fun and make them permanent (no cost for patches). We win because we are getting fun modes to chill from rift. And Riot......... they......probably win too because their playerbase will stop crying for permanent modes :D (nah who am I kidding this community will complain about anything XD)

[@oliverm3589]

Loved the Thresh game. Was so fun.

[@5frogfrenzy]

That game got old fast

[@voilvelev6775]

@@5frogfrenzy Wouldve been good to release it every 2 months, that way it wouldnt have gotten old. It was basically (once again) "inspired" by a much older Dota mode where you play 3v3 with a character called "Pudge the Butcher", who's Q is a long range hook.

[@honuugako3418]

I for myself really liked the tank metas: Hear me out: I liked it because while fighting a teamfight it went on for minutes, yeah it was exhausting, but it was still better than being one shotted in 0.56 seconds from across the screen before the fight even started. Even if it was boring to watch you got tons of enjoyment while fighting and didn't just blow up, miss the fight and lose the game

[@Sarrju]

It's not about the tank meta, it's about the fact that there is too much dmg in this game.

[@shamrockgaming9505]

Agreed

[@Willdroyd]

@@Sarrju yeah, we miss the "tank" meta even tho we just miss any meta where you dont die in 1 hit from a zed or in 3 hits from a yuumi, u just die in .2 seconds and its just idiotic

[@smittywerbenjaggermanjensen69]

When URF dropped the first time..that was peak LoL. Never gonna be like that ever again. Not too complex Champs, but not dumb asf either. It was just fun

[@SirisInidite]

Describe to me fun in a video game

[@RaxorX]

The funny thing is the simpler champions are best in URF since they don’t have long animations.

[@alberthcuayla1587]

Sona in Og Urf...

[@Zxdez37]

@@RaxorX original urf sona go brrr

[@charactername263]

OG soraka urf

[@christianlockhart5476]

This just makes me love the odyssey game mode so much because no one cared if you were sweating and everyday there was a new strategy everyday to beat the game with 2 component slots.

[@fitmotheyap]

Ye but it was PvE Riot why just.. not bring it back

[@blazingtimeblazer9004]

I just wanna see some other Gamemodes like doom bots. My brother has said that it was awesome!!

[@nightshadedim3396]

Doombots was special. Shit was whack

[@garth7825]

It was awesome

[@marcelorojas1297]

Yeah Doom bots are like gettin f@ck in LOL....but in a funny way

[@IncognitoGinger]

doom bots was so fun when you played with a group of friends and had no idea what was going on the first few times, would definitely play it again if it came back

[@pun6gund265]

Doom bots was amazing, the sheer raid boss energy was so strong that even with a strict meta I would still play it non-stop and not get bored.

[@peytonibarra8992]

"You think you do, but you don't." Blizzard on Classic WoW servers, before they realized that rereleasing the games we used to like is easy money. We all wanted that old school feeling again, but playing a 15 year old video game with the amount of information we have now just made it overly sweaty and unfun. "What class are you? Paladin? Hope you enjoy healing, because we aren't giving you a dps spot." When you play a game blind, or are new to it later in life, that is a feeling you can't get back. URF sadly is in the same state as Classic WoW, everyone is sweating in a casual game trying to relive glory days. What a shame.

[@fitmotheyap]

I played wotlk(private server go brr) for the first time and found people who played for fun,al tho eventually quit cus leveling was awful and for some reason the best item which I forgot at this point takes months to get

[@doktorwyvern2883]

I say this same thing about people wanting the old rune system or prior patches back. We only had such diversity in S1-4 because literally everyone played like dogshit back then. The old metas would be instantly solved by the modern player base. (Also people forget about the Kassadin winter and Frozen Titmog toplane)

[@momomtony]

@@doktorwyvern2883 the only reason i want the old runes back is because i owned most of them and it was a cool thing to flew with lol,

[@1DFM1]

@@doktorwyvern2883 i think they should not go back to the old rune system, altough i wish they would add movement speed, gold/sec, armor/lvl runes additionally to cdr, armor, hp, as or dmg runes. just like we had back then. singed would be way more fun if i could start the game with +8% movement.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

@@1DFM1 I played a lot of games even back then and I still really couldn't afford to buy enough runes with IP. How do you even complete all the runes you need with the amount of IP the game gave you back then. It was harder cause you want to buy the new champs and follow the build guides but I was always missing a few runes.

[@link77779]

'Patches are vital.' 'Patches help protect players from themselves.' *Looks at Legends of Runeterra's patch history.* *Remembers the time people were more excited for a patch than the new cards.* "Yeah, that tracks."

[@jamiesadf5829]

maybe im just out of the loop but I don't know if card changes ever really interested me more than new cards. All the nerfs always felt... lame i guess.

[@link77779]

@@jamiesadf5829 That's valid. It's main purpose is to shake up the meta. If you don't care about the meta and can have fun regardless of it, or if new card releases are frequent enough for that to happen for you, cool. While I'm looking forward to balance patches returning, new cards are more often than not more exciting. The last big patch we got, which shook up a meta a lot of people were sick of pretty quickly, was an exception for that.

[@san-tbandit1807]

Honestly I was one of those people who were excited for the balance patches, simply because if the very meta stuff gets nerfed, more potentially viable decks get to flourish and the game becomes more then just a Rock Paper Scissors game across the top decks

[@ketergraph9037]

Ye I remember the irelia azir meta....

[@lcook51]

@@ketergraph9037 bro that was peak, I payed 40 bucks for that deck and slapped anyone that didn't have it essentially. (Prolly not a good thing)Was really cool the way the deck worked tho. Howd they even nerf it?? ( Haven't played since that meta)

[@anotherpersonfromnorfolk1587]

"Hey! What are you still doing on league? I said it was bed time" "Sorry dad" *Meanwhile* Skooch: Did someone just dodge an urf game?!

[@h4roeverynyan]

AND he said it after he told us he would dodge.

[@TheVlp3r]

Ultimate spellbook was the most fun i had in league since Odyssey

[@nickkrullmann2653]

BRING BACK ODYSSEY!!

[@eduardhegyi]

Same

[@xristoskoumpourlis1614]

odyssey sucked

[@bigvidboi4909]

@@xristoskoumpourlis1614 then bring back the SG event :^), that one was good

[@kadalix]

@@nickkrullmann2653 they really should bring back odyssey the whole vent was based off of teamwork and finding the best builds (literally, look at the impossible achievements)

[@noracon3517]

It's also sad when you remember that they had to remove Teleport, because people were hyper split pushing with it, making it unplayable for the enemy team :)

[@floofzykitty5072]

First two weeks of URF is fun then it becomes "If you don't pick one of these 15 champions, you literally just lose"

[@lolmanboss]

Or you invent your own strategy XD noone expects full AP Jhin Traps.

[@shadows_star]

Don't worry about winning or losing. If you can't have fun through the gameplay of your champion then you're part of the problem. Screw what everyone else is doing, do what you want to do. More people that do that, the more healthy the community and the experience will be.

[@asimpletrashgoblin8109]

@@shadows_star thats how I play and I literally only Play League for Urf

[@cannedsquasher5923]

Or you're just bad? My guy I literally press random in URF and play whatever it gives me (basically playing ARURF inside regular URF) and still win 60% of the time. It's not that hard. Just ban Zed. Simple.

[@skelet8337]

May i introduce you to ap rengar fun and strong enough to win

[@mrDjuroman]

This is literally how I felt when I came back to lol in Season 3 and discovered that people demand we have a jungler, an adc, and a support, instead of the old "play literally whatever, as long as mid is a solo lane" I had played beforehand

[@theodenking169]

Great insight. MOBAs had so much potential back then.

[@dobermad195]

those were great times. You pick whatever you want on the line you want and you dance with the enemy the whole game

[@ChampionAnalysis]

URF becomes so unfun with these disgustingly uninteractive meta champs. You enter the game stressed over what to ban, then stress over the champs that did get through and got picked, then stress surviving the game against them. Even if you win against these cowards the experience was most likely more exhausting than enjoyable. These bans aren't even for the sake of winning. It's for a CHANCE to have fun.

[@lolmanboss]

I am just an average URF Jhin enjoyer, but yeah if my enemy team consists like 90% of the time of maybe 7 to 9 champs it is boring.

[@bevvvy1374]

I think it's more of a you problem if you're stressing this hard over a casual game mode lol

[@ChampionAnalysis]

@@bevvvy1374 🤣 I mean fair enough, but I'll still say some urf champs just break the game and when you see them almost every game it just ruins the experience. I already go into this mode expecting a hard time cause I like to run dumb stuff in urf like ap pantheon, but champs like Zed, Sylas, Yuumi, etc. make it so unfun even without handicapping myself.

[@cannedsquasher5923]

@@ChampionAnalysis I mean the worst of the two is just Zed and Yuumi. The rest while cancerous are still w/e.

[@skelet8337]

@@cannedsquasher5923 I think the worst are yuumi splash and shaco the rest i can bare

[@sleimi4753]

I still love urf. A good solution for this problem would be just making players able to create urf customs.

[@veebeeTV]

i would LOVE this... we all win ... make it like aram in s3 before it was a mode. i really hate mana .. no matter what they do ill still play this game

[@dusathemaid]

Just make the champ select random

[@mamayareborn]

So, to make it clearer, the notion of players seeking the most effective playstyle to maximise their performance IS a well known and well documented game design concept called "Dominant Strategy". It doesn't matter at all what game it is, how competitive or how casual it is, it doesn't even matter if it's a single-player game. The reason people repeatedly dodge-roll when they're talking around in Ocarina of Time is not because it's fun, but because it is literally just faster than running, so players will gravitate towards doing it, and those that don't often have to actively prevent themselves from doing it. This is why experienced designers extensively test their games personally, because this is the type of thing the majority of people (at an individual level) are very unlikely to catch onto, or otherwise, are very unlikely to realize that it's going to be abused at all. Riot was wrong to implement a way for characters to be entirely broken, and their attempt to fix it was randomizing that, so that players aren't free to pursue dominant strategy. The hilarious result of this is that players will still find it anyway, only it feels undeserved since the lack of character choice makes some players feel like their inability to counterpick a broken URF iteration is "unfair" -- and balance-wise, lol, I guess it is! This doesn't add or detract from the video, I just thought fellow game design enthusiasts would enjoy that! : )

[@carbonbeaker409]

Did indeed enjoy.

[@shadows_star]

Yeah, the thing is about ARURF was how shitty it felt to be stuck on a champion that I don't wanna play, while we fight the same five champions every game then look to the reasons why I can't pick my champion and see that it was to prevent exactly what was still happening.

[@TheHighLizard]

@@shadows_star Yeah it was badly randomized.

[@G_Kchrst]

URF was not made to be balanced, just like AM(all- mid). It's impossible. That's why these games are better with AR in between.

[@mrpancackles3974]

I actually thoroughly enjoyed DOOM bots, I've always wanted them to bring it back.

[@floweringbushi6112]

Playing the Fast in URF was the best thing ever. Being the fastest guy was so funny. Until people start bringing out exhaust, Shaco, Zed. Cleanse being a must to counter exhaust is kinda stupid

[@eduardokerber2931]

They should let everyone from both teams vote from all summoner spells to ban one in Urf, and maybe something like the top 3 most played characters from one day are automatically banned for the next day, it's not like Aurf where you almost never get to play with what you want but it incentives people to play other things

[@TranHuy-bt9sv]

Let ban flash lmao

[@scylla1772]

I played against a Fast Rammus in Ultimate Spellbook once, it was hysterical. I was a skillshot character like Morgana or something, and every so often we'd just have a Mexican standoff. He'd wait for my Q, I'd spam the angry bee emote, he'd spam something else then resume running circles around me, etc. Loved that match so much.

[@ThedeadMapleoak]

Up until someone brings out some shit like Nautilus. Then you're not allowed to even move.

[@adude235]

The Fast is only fun for the person playing. Going against someone who has mastery 7 on Jhin with a yuumi riding them the entire game is cancer. Can't even split push cause he'll walk there faster than his teammates can to just to one shot you.

[@HermanManly]

"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game" -Sid Meier There is a reason why ARAM is still hugely popular, and all other game modes without a random component or a limited selection of champions fall off so quickly, unless it's the specific competitive game mode tailored around champion picks and meta.

[@DarkWalrus24]

They should just bring back that 2nd or 3rd iteration of URF where the top 5-10 played/banned champs were just banned from the game mode after the first week. That way the "meta" characters can be tried out and used for the first week for those people who care and then the game mode is shook up for the next week.

[@GAC400B]

Imagine every week a pool of 8 of the most played champs get banned from urf for 4-8 weeks, now that could squeeze some fun from it

[@dieidiot3413]

The best version of urf is the randomized urf. it stops metagaming in some regards but theres a chance to finally have fun playing a new champ.

[@dogsoneup]

@@dieidiot3413 You just end up with 20 dodges in a row.

[@h4roeverynyan]

@@dieidiot3413 It's really not. Imagine you just want to try a single champ in URF and then have to play 30 games just to get that champ. It's not the best, just another suboptimal version of URF.

[@juliuspetta2345]

Wtf💩💩💩That's a horrible idea💯 imagine caring what you play against in a for fun mode.... pathetic really....💯💩

[@autistictyranitar414]

I like URF, when it's equally distributed along a bunch of rotative gamemodes. Now that we only have this, Nexus Blitz and OFA, I don't really enjoy it. These gamemodes were good because you would see them once or twice a year for just a weekend. Now they put only 3 gamemodes for a whole patch. Of course it's gonna be boring wtf. Like, go back to put it just for a weekend a year and bring back the others. People will be forced to play for fun rather than win because: are you really gonna put effort in having an optimal build for just 3 days? Edit: After a minute of reflexion, yes, league community is filled with fucking degenerates, so they will try to find the most op thing. But still, it will only be 3 days

[@Sarrju]

Jesus Christ, pls stop blaming players for Rito's fault of having dogshiet game design philosophy and stripping this game out of the fun aspect. If people tryhard, it means that there is something wrong with the game on the fundamental level. It's not the players fault that they play the way developers want them to play - it's the developers fault for making a game that's whole fvckin purpose is tryharding. This is what they have been taught for the last 8 years or so. >Don't play troll builds! >Don't play new picks on ranked! >Look what pro players build and copy their builds! >Here are recommended items for you so you won't sweat figuring out which color is for which stat! >We will reduce the numbers of items by inventing mythics so you will have to figure out only one correct item for the champ, because there's like 5 or 6 other items for this class, so you won't build anything that we haven't predicted! >People don't play this item because it's weak? We should delete it because some players may want to build it in order to troll on rankeds! >Look! Here are masteries and eternals so you can show other people what a sweaty, stinky tryhard you are by playing a single champion only! >AP ratio on full AD champs? What are you? A troll?

[@fadingdust1723]

@@Sarrju if im being honest nearly no one tryhards its just that ONE PERSON

[@goldengolem4670]

When the enemy riven has 0 cd on her 4 leaps and a permanent refreshing shield, you cant play the game. And you'd need to ban half the champs in the game for shit like that to not ruin it.

[@freshlymemed5680]

Now imagine champs with some sort of spammable sustain/shield and add Yuumi to the mix. That fucking parasite literally makes the gamemode unplayable. Yone's E is already memed on for basically being Zeds Ult but in URF it actually is Zeds ult. He can spam so many Q and W's into you before the duration ends that youre basically dead.

[@Zanezy.]

Riven aint even a problem compared to the broken shit like zed, shaco, yuumi, etc

[@Noob-rr6fx]

And riven in URF is even worse!

[@xristoskoumpourlis1614]

riven isnt even an issue in urf she doesnt even come close to becoming an issue

[@goldengolem4670]

@@xristoskoumpourlis1614 Okay. Fight one as anything other than a toplaner/fighter and repeat that please.

[@vaskez9548]

I never comment on KZbin videos, but I've been playing league since almost the beginning, and I agree with most of you here. Players (especially overly competitive ones) drain the fun out of casual games, or game modes in case of URF, and determine the viability of other casual modes, like Doom Bots (which was phenomenal beyond belief) and other League maps that had a lot of player-input in entertainment. In Dominion, a lot of people (myself included) used to play customs and go play hide and seek, and it was the most entertaining moments we've ever had. The thing is, URF tends to suffer from depending on a competitive architecture for a casual game mode, so a solution I might think is, to remove most of the competitive aspects that are instilled in URF, like turrets and lanes, where nowadays there's always someone splitpushing an entire match and ruining the fun for most people in there, by losing teamfights for their team or forcing someone to stop them. Maybe make and URF-exclusive map or an evolving summoners rift, where, as the game drags along, slowly force players into a 5v5, or split teams, mix it up to a point where players are enticed to play with others rather than winning. I dunno, big rambling. TLDR: URF depends on a competitive structure, so players tend to morph the casual aspect of it in search of efficiency, so either remove said aspects, or control them to a point where they lose their allure for competitive players, so they focus on having fun rather than winning worthless wins.

[@Logank192]

I think another problem is that champions nowadays are just so overloaded and insanely strong that you're used to them dominating your ranked games and now you have to deal with an even stronger version of them in URF.

[@fallendeus]

Except that a lot of the strongest champs in urf arent the newer ones.. the top 10 champions based on winrate in urf right now are (in order) kayle (63.5% wr), annie, sona, seraphine, lulu, ahri, fizz, woking, nami, and volibear (58.5% wr). Almost all of those are old champions that may have gotten some buffs over time (voli and kayle got reworked) but yeah they aren't "new champs with overloaded kits". Edit:actually going through winrates. Alot of the newer champions have laughably low winrates. Vex:52%, gwen: 45%, viego:40%, lillia:51%, akshan:49%

[@TheKalnu]

I think it's more than that, for example: Jhin Jhin was strong in the first/second urf, but recently he's been so incredibly infuckingsane. You can't really outplay him because he gets SO much movement speed in urf, he can go from base to the middle of the map and back. He can weave in - auto you - and weave out before you can even react. Not to mention this auto is more than likely to simply kill you in one hit even if you are a tank. He's pretty much oneshot me when I've had 5k health. Jinx, MF, Ashe, Lucian, Twitch, Kog and Xayah are like this too - but they don't have the insane movement speed steroid to kite you as easily with so they can be easier to deal with if you can get into them. I saw Jhin, Jinx, Ashe, etc being played in the first/second urf but it was nothing like it is right now. The current meta of just... insane burst has made Urf honestly ... not that fun. I don't know if it's runes, items, or a combination of both - because the burst in normals/ranked is pretty crazy too. Rengar, Lee Sin, etc can just kill you in under a second while building tank items. Usually, you don't get to see ADCs "burst" because they are sustained damage (and weak to burst), and games often end before the ADC really gets going. I perma-ban Jhin because every time I left him through, I am going to be faced against one. Some urf games are fun but most just... aren't because you can't really react to a lot of situations. A hecarim coming ar 50000 miles an hour with a Yuumi is going to weave in and out of you without you so much being able to auto him until you die - until he gets to the point where the single weave will oneshot you. There aren't enough bans but banning everyone isn't fun, either. I think putting a cap on movement speed and trying to address the insane burst would help urf (and Normals)

[@dineshramchand8397]

@@TheKalnu Pretty sure they added bonus crit damage too in the passive stats of the game. 25% if I'm not mistaken. Riot really just wants people to die I guess.

[@RagingRugbyst]

@williampg gois it is and it is so that picking autoattack reliant champs doesent suck by simply getting outdamaged by spammed skills.

[@TheHighLizard]

@@dineshramchand8397 oh dont forget that everything that buffs attackspeed is 2x as good.

[@camomoose7052]

URF just speedruns people to the "fuck this shit" moment. Its like every bad part of the game gets ramped up to eleven.

[@sirbenedict2519]

URF makes me want to play league. When it ends, I dont want to play league

[@jamiesadf5829]

@@midwestbox nah this is brought up in the post riot made about urf that he talks about, a lot of people come back for urf, and then leave again. thats a given. The issue is that people that were already there before urf made a come back also leave. Its a mix of things. Burn out from playing a bunch of games of urf in a single sitting. Players prone to getting really mad cap out on angry and quit for longer periods, people who feel good about their matches burn out satisfied, and also leave for longer periods. The people who came back aren't going to play urf forever either, because if its up forever, it just becomes "another gamemode" and not a "special gamemode"

[@devforfun5618]

@@jamiesadf5829 aram is just another gamemode, i still play it more than summoner rift

[@bevvvy1374]

@@jamiesadf5829 If urf was up all the time it would be the only thing I play. Regular league is boring as fuck

[@jamiesadf5829]

@@devforfun5618 yeah, and as much as i hate this point, you also probably don't play as much any way, nor do you purchase as many skins as people who do play regularly in normals. I too only play the arams, but if arurf was around all the time I would probably play it more intense bursts and then quit for longer periods of time

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

@@devforfun5618 Yeah because it's random. You can never feel responsible for your losses in aram because it's not played like Summoner's Rift. "Oh the enemy team just rolled the better comp" that kind of stuff. It's why it's stayed for so long. Not all gamea are the same. People bitched about ARURF for seemingly "always giving them the bad URF champs" but what they didn't think about was why they felt less mad about losing.

[@ShinBaaaka]

"because melee is fucking nuts" that's why I subbed skooch he's a man of culture

[@jdizzy192]

I remember URF 1. Hands down the second best time to play the game outside of the months/years of "One more match" feelings from early seasons. Then towards the end of that first outing people spammed Hec and Xerath and Sona to the point that the mode was fun but slightly less. URF 2 had a meta, it had tryhards, it was standard League but shielded from criticism because of nostalgia for URF 1 and people feeling that FOMO. I played URF maybe 10 times sine then, it was just another okay random game mode to me.

[@hyjujhi3829]

I remember reading a article talking about how given the chance people will optimize the fun out of games and how dev have stop the players ruining the game for themselves

[@SaltHunter]

You know thats fun. Being able to have the option to have gamemodes permanently available so when i get bored of summoners i go play ascension.

[@amandaslough125]

@Toadaux People knew Riot was already killing it off though. They didn't put in any effort to maintain it and it was felt.

[@voilvelev6775]

They dont wanna do it, cause 1. Tencent are too cheap to do that. 2. Riot are too lazy to do it. 3. Their servers run on potato peels, because ...well Tencent and Riot are too cheap and lazy to fix the spagetti.

[@DraknorDragor]

@Toadaux very nice explanation, im kinda tired of seeing comments not understanding the reasoning for non permanent modes. I really hope Riot eventually make a mode that divides player count 50%50 (popularity wise) in order for us to have something fresh that has feasibility to stay :)

[@voilvelev6775]

@Toadaux IVE NEVER seen 30 min queues for Dominion. Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence. Thats cherry picking.

[@voilvelev6775]

@Toadaux "game modes up permanently takes extra time and money". Then WHY DO ALL OTHER BIG ONLINE GAMES HAVE MULTIPLE OF THEM? UH? Oh, I'll tell you why - because Tencent/riot are one of the most cheap, stingy companies to ever exist, and thats not an exaggeration.

[@TheMatthew001]

that's why i fell in love with a game called "Due Process" it's a first person shooter kind of like rainbow six siege... but its has procedurally generated maps every week so the maps don't get solved and each week has that new game feel.

[@jaximus1366]

Hot take: Shaco and Leblanc are far more frustrating to deal with in URF than Zed

[@ChampionAnalysis]

That's a fact of life my guy

[@armandobelloso4802]

May I introduce you to Fizz

[@sho3003]

@@armandobelloso4802 I just perma ban that little fcker when playing URF

[@ShadowVordred]

I genuinely just perma ban yuumi myself because I'm sick and tired of all the bs 2v5's she enables when she has 4 hypercarries on her team to switch between

[@ChampionAnalysis]

@@ShadowVordred hella important ban

[@Alex_Lockheart]

11:19 Hey that's me ! That stream was really chill ! Loving the content Skooch o/

[@AImpatientMan]

Half the problem with urf is sweats. There's people like me that just wanna get a 15 barrel combo on gangplank or a 1000 ms rammus but have to end up playing against a yuumi twitch duo, master yi/zed smurf, etc who just want to win as hard as they can.

[@arisufizu5698]

Yuumi players on urf makes me want to puke

[@KsanUwU]

i will never forget the first time urf came out. that montage that a machinima partnered channel uploaded with "pegboard nerds - razor sharp" banging to the tune of windmill hecarim ramming into unsuspecting enemies. and also the 90 games that i clocked in the first weekend alone.

[@ThunderChanter]

This reminds me of the Shurima event from way back when. You could get the Perfect Ascension icon if your team got the Ascension buff at least once, and denied teh enemy team from getting it. Once people found out that was a thing, it became "/ff the second the enemy team gets one" so now you cant even play the game mode casually, since you'd be playing against bots. Its why over the years I found myself liking and playing games like MH. Sure, theres the high skill, intense gameplay of the speedrunning community, and the most "optimal" builds to use in a fight, but you never get people raging when they get matched with someone using a "low tier" weapon. Theres no pressure to perform to a standard, just do well enough not to be a hindrance

[@JDReC100]

... whats MH?

[@CaptainRDM]

@@JDReC100 My guess is Monster Hunter

[@ThunderChanter]

@@JDReC100 Monster Hunter

[@salj.5459]

MH4U best game ever!

[@actuallygin]

As someone who plays 400+ URF/ARURF games everytime it returns and played every iteration of URF and is having a blast: You always have tryhards. You always have people picking Zed/Fizz whatever. And there are URF balance changes to make OP characteres less insane, and trash characteres at least somewhat playable, but my main point is: URF, like regular league, is not worth playing by yourself. Get into a group with 4-5 friends, and just play and try out whacky shit. You can ensure that you have 5 quality bans, and then just play whatever the hell you want. A few examples just today: - We played sniper comps and oneshot champions across the map. - We created our own base inside the enemy base with Ivern/Teemo, Nasus/Veigar for scaling and Soraka for sustain and just lived inside of their base as long as possible with a billion blue trinkets as fence. - Everyone who watched Darkkmane knows his fishing technique, and we just sat with our whole team in a single bush and placed as much bait (wards/blue trinket) as possible around it and kill everyone who got close. We even invited some of them into our VIP club and had dance parties. And all of those were just today, 3 games out of 250 just this month. If you clearly do not enjoy league anymore, URF won't fix that.

[@andrethyst905]

This is literally the reason why I can't stick with online card games. When professional players are putting some of the best decks online and you can netdeck, it takes a lot of the custom deckbuilding fun out of the game. Not so much because you lose a bunch, if you're a Johnny player (see: relies on a niche splashy combo that rarely comes together) losing a bunch is normal. But what sucks is when you're seeing just the same strategies over and over and over again, and the only way to go against it is to do the OTHER big super-strong meta thing. Most of the cards now just become worthless because you are stuck playing against random people online that will more likely than not be using said netdecks. This is why I haven't even touched URF this time around. Honestly, I'd love to see them just make a custom game mode that's Ultimate Spellbook without the spellbook. The core League gameplay that was just plain sped up (but not to URF levels) let the game feel like you were jumping into the action super quick, while still having the core League experience that felt like most if not all of the champions were viable.

[@Linosek279]

To Johnny is to suffer

[@franciscopetrucci]

I agree completely. Sometimes you can even build a crazy weird deck that CAN win against meta, but going against the same 2-3 decks EVERY SINGLE MATCH just sucks the fun out of it.

[@mikotheshiba8963]

​@@franciscopetrucci Hearthstone and LoR suffer from the same problem where everyone just copies decks from each other. Holy fuck I hate the Azirelia meta and its been a month with facing 70% Poppy decks so I decided to stop playing LoR for another month

[@Volition366]

Yo lor is in the best state it has ever been. There's a shit ton of good decks.

[@20cnVision]

@@mikotheshiba8963 I'm in plat 1 now and every deck is Bandleburn, Darkness or Seju GP. It's kinda sad but I can't say I'm not guilty of this myself. The current meta cards are just so strong (looking at Aloof..)

[@tejisalas]

To all players who still play URF, I have 2 champs for you (with builds): AP Thresh - Luden's Echo, Sorcerer's Shoes, Demonic Embrace, Horizon Focus, Rylai's Crystal Scepter, Rabaddon's Deathcap Spam your hooks, it completely resets everytime you hit it, and also your ult is a nuke, but only to one person. Don't go in unless they are low, just keep spamming hooks and act like a mage. AP On-hit Shen - Riftmaker, Berserker's Greaves, Nashor's Tooth, Abyssal Mask, Titanic Hydra, Demonic Embrace Big shields and Big damage. Few champs can kill you lvl 1 since your Q is max health magic damage on a 2 second cooldown. I just rush lvl 6 then help ANYONE in the map with R. I usually pick Shen when there is a hyper carry or a diver in ally team. I went 12 games with this and I have yet to lose a single game. Have fun!

[@aydengarcia8817]

I think I’ve learned about this in my psychology class. It’s called the over-justification effect. Basically, we feel like we are only playing League for URF (extrinsic motivation) not cause we enjoy the game (intrinsic motivation).

[@JDReC100]

@@hyunjaycho9004 some players do have fun in LoL for LoL though. and who says they cant or dont play other games?

[@DraknorDragor]

@@JDReC100 I feel like this has become the norm. "Playing League will put you in the same box as someone who takes drugs"....... obvious overexageration but I hear this way to often and its kinda sad.

[@shadows_star]

Right? So many people only play for the dopamine hit from winning that they aren't playing for the actual game.

[@RaytoRyu]

"Patches are dev protecting players against themselves". Very good sentence, makes me think about X-COM - in the first one, levels didn't had time limit, and the dev put some in the second game because, well... Players would progress really really slowly to META the game, thus defeating all the concept of taking risks and losing units.

[@Darkness19Z]

The downsides for both ARURF and URF URF: Mostly the same banned champs (Zed, Yuumi, Shaco), same played champs most of the time. It's rare someone to pick Nunu and I pick them because its funny. ARURF: May be a instant win or lost because it's all random and when you think its a somewhat fair match the players may not even know how to build that champ.

[@skipperpet]

I personally love playing Nunu in URF, the E is just hilarious

[@Darkness19Z]

@@skipperpet Same, everytime I pick him I just go "Heavy machine gun". Another hilarious thing is if the enemy team have some champs with rushes is playing with Poppy and watching them try to escape from you as you slam them against the walls and stop their rushes with W.

[@lolmanboss]

I hated that one full AP Nunu who oneshoted me with a Yuumi... Like i went next to him and my Healthbar just said:aight imma head out. Like he took literally 0.2 seconds

[@shadows_star]

Well. It's the same champions every game in Urf, but I found the same shit happening in ARURF, so I'd rather take URF any day because at least then I can be playing what I want.

[@fitmotheyap]

@@skipperpet what's your ping,my huge issue with nunu and eve is you can't just hold Q,yet I see literal machine guns compared to when I play them

[@Zizook]

Yup, this happens in alot of games. Which is why the balancing around competitive games is centered around having as much characters as viable as possible, and for as long as possible sometimes. The more viable characters there are, the more playable content there is. One tricking becomes extremely difficult because if they nerf your character to the ground, your ability to climb becomes VERY depend on your skill of the champion.

[@arntry8072]

"Meta ruins games, you've created 155 champions in the game but this 10 champions are better than the 145." Took people long enough to notice this. Really miss the time when i could talk to myself and ask "what is my flavor for the day?" rather than "yea have to ban this since its so broken" and get bored due to how stale it is.

[@efarjeonfgc]

This is hands down why you play fighting games. So many possible situations and balance can be so complex that there are often endless things to lab and find out in a given patch/meta.

[@jahsuo4254]

I honestly miss when urf was all random. It made it really fun to play champs you’ve never played before instead of seeing the wake champs every game

[@floofzykitty5072]

they rotate random URF like other gamemodes. Random URF isn't gone, it never was. The next time URF comes around, it will be ARURF, and after that it will be back to regular URF and so on and so forth.

[@Para0234]

The issue with ARURF wasn't that "people didn't get to play their champs", but that the only question asked was "Whose team will get the most top 10 champions?" If you fell against Zed/kassa/Shaco/Yi/old Eve, you were fucked, and you couldn't go against it.

[@devforfun5618]

i dont see a difference because even if its random someone always gets jax, lux and morgana, but now you are forced to play braum against them

[@bevvvy1374]

@@Para0234 It's like this in regular urf, I don't see your point.

[@Para0234]

@@bevvvy1374 Because in regular urf, you can somewhat prevent it with the bans and your own picks

[@WiraDude]

Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game. Quote by Soren Johnson and Sid Meier. Feel that fits here pretty well ^^

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

Oh yeah I remember that tournament top 8 where literally every competitor except for one (who played Julia) played Leroy lmao

[@UrBeststFriend]

The game mode i want to come back most is Hexakill on the Twisted Treeline, shit was non-stop action from start to finish and being one of the lucky ones to actually have someone get all 6 kills and hear the rarest voice lines in the game "Hexakill" was the greatest feelings ever even if your team was the one dead on the ground Ascension and Dominion were pretty sweet too, wouldn't mind getting them back for a couple weeks

[@delphynenull2136]

This is a big frustration with league that I tend to have, that some characters just Aren’t Good and so if you really like that champion, you’re doomed to fight uphill battles only for all time. A little imbalance is typically in my favor, I find it really boring when i just stomp a game (and even moreso when i’m playing average and my team just demolishes the other, ‘cause they surrender and steal my satisfaction), but I’ve come to really feel that unless every character in the game is equally viable under ideal circumstances, your game is balanced incorrectly. Urf i think can be allowed to be solved, it’s the ha ha funny meme gamemode and i really think it’s a player-side problem with mindset, not a dev-side problem with design. If you’re going into urf with winning on your mind instead of fucking around and having fun doing a meme like one-click one-shot veigar, Stage Hazard singed, or I Play Teemo As A Ward, you’ve already lost sight of the point.

[@shadows_star]

I agree. URf is a player-side problem. Going in trying to win, because so many only have fun when they're doing well is a mental issue.

[@momomtony]

i get on urf, and it's either i have a blast or the enemy is shitting me on me so hard, so it's either fun or not, it's either i want it to last forever or finish as fast as possible. it's frustrating when i want it to last and it's over too fast or when i want it to be over and it doesn't end.

[@Vinicius-Bigode]

I never thought about it but whenever I see URF available nowadays I go "Nah, we're not in 2014 anymore" and Skooch basically expanded on this feeling. I agree. That's why I think the "fun gamemodes" are destined to be PvE, because people will try hard to win in League no matter what gamemode it is.

[@ryanammenheuser4788]

Yeah, this is definitely the issue. I don't understand why people just play boring, uninteractive (albeit very "good") champs and builds in URF. The gamemode is so nuts that it's far more fun to just play weird, dumb shit that couldn't be possible in any other gamemode. One of my favorite things to play in URF is The Fast Jhin, or AD Blitzcrank. They might not be "good" but I don't really care, it's a stupid gamemode that exists just for fun. Normal League exists for people who wanna develop a meta because at least that's an actual strategy game and not just an exercise in goofing off. Now, there's a discussion to be had on playing unfun meta champs over ones that one personally likes playing the most, but that's a totally different one. Let's just say there's a reason one of my most-played champs is Teemo. He sure as hell isn't meta, but at the end of it all, it's a game, and I have the most fun when I play him.

[@notgoodatgames6804]

Riot killed Pve tho so that's sad

[@daydreamteam1366]

A really great person said that "when given the chance, players tend to optimize the fun out of games" And why wikis ruins MMORPGs, I want a game where the only way to get information is finding someone who knows and ask them, or buy the information out of them.

[@eksangha1]

My friends try to get me to play ARURF, URF, or OFA but I actively choose not to play it because of this reason. When it first came out it was goofy with being able to play all Singed or going no cd Ryze, but now I have a sweatier lobby than ranked in my goofy game mode. I can't have fun in OFA because the meta is "cc to oblivion with multiple flavors". I can't duke it in ARURF/URF because there is a set build and play style that I don't want to play. I wanna play goofy champs but the game mode has become too toxic in its implementation. PLEASE BRING BACK HEXAKILL

[@freshlymemed5680]

I remember playing OFA years ago and had fun games like All Master Yi and All Ivern. Now it was nothing but Lux, Morgana, etc. League players complain the game is growing less fun yet they subject themselves and others to this soulless bullshit.

[@thegroi]

@@freshlymemed5680 league community loves to eat shit. just look at vex, no one realizes riot is too lazy to fix their game and releases a torn bandaid under the hope is fixes their dogshit game.

[@shadows_star]

It's the players that do this to themselves. So many are too worried about winning or losing. So many only find enjoyment in league when they're doing well and not enough in the game's base mechanics.

[@Arseny2001]

I love URF sooooo much and I used to enjoy normals as well. I’m not the best player int her world, and I sure as hell dont want to play a casual mode in a competitive game against smurfs and people who sweat in them. It’s so sad to see such a fun mode be destroyed by people not realizing that them winning a game isn’t gonna make their pp larger and it’s not worth ruining the fun for others. I haven’t played league in a year or two, came back when ultimate spellbook was ending, played for like 5 days in norms and considered deleting league, only kept it for rotating modes. I was so happy to see urf come out, and then I met the same problem, sweat, smurf, and like the man himself said “Metagaming”. I just don’t understand why people want to ruin the fun for others so much. I don’t need to win a game to have fun, but I don’t wanna be 1 shot by a hecarim going mach speed at me, or getting feared from corner to corner by shaco boxes. Games aren’t bad, their communities are

[@mentalpopcorn2304]

Urf use to be fun, now there's a clear meta and everyone knows it so barely anyone plays it to just have fun. It's basically just as toxic as any old summoners rift game and people only ever try hard in it I'm all about the one for all bard games though

[@wolfy8006]

As a bard main, I love to go half tank/bruiser bard in urf, literally unkillable and they chase u all across the map. Sad thing is I couldn’t figure out a good build path for bard since the item changes.

[@JonnyfromElma]

I'm confused by how "tryhard" is used nowadays. When you play league, do you just never attack the opponent? Refuse to ward on purpose? INTing maybe? Where is the line drawn between simply playing a game where the objective is to win, and trying too hard to win in a game where the objective is to win? How do you know if someone is actually just playing for fun and just happens to be good? Or their favorite champ is Zed and it's fun to spam his skills in URF? Is it toxicity that makes the difference? Maybe not TRYING to win, but caring too much. Careharding, if you would. Multi-player games where you play against others have always been this way. What does tryharding really even mean?

[@garethjones209]

@@JonnyfromElma when u sacrifice any fun for a competitive edge

[@cannedsquasher5923]

I don't get this because like. Yes a meta exist. A meta exists for everything. ARAM has a meta, URF has a meta, Normal League has a meta, TFT has a meta. It doesn't matter. The thing is you can literally play URF without adhering to the meta. When I play URF I literally just hit random and play whoever I get and still win 60% of my matches.

[@JonnyfromElma]

@@garethjones209 so then playing meta champs isn't tryharding? Most of them are really fun to play in URF.

[@hitlord]

A smart man once said: "Given the opportunity, a player will optimize the fun out of the game." This happens to every single 0 sum game in the entire planet. People have developed strategies for Tic-Tac-Toe, for christ's sake. Competitive gaming of any kind is only fun as long as you're willing to play the exact same thing over and over again, with just about more chance to lose than actually win. And that's stretching the definition of "fun" VERY much. That's why I disagree with the current logic for most games' "standard" modes. It's usually just ranked, but without the ranks and points. You're still playing exclusively to win, there are rewards attached, be they XP or something else. Leave standard for the true casuals, remove rewards altogether, no matter what they could be. If my base gets destroyed, or my entire team gets killed, give me a victory screen at the end of the match anyway. I understand that I/my team lost, but I'm not penalized in any way. I'm not here to win, I'm here to play. That way people that want to win no matter the cost move on to ranked/competitive, the jank players stay in standard/non-competitive. Edit: if someone finds it in themselves to answer this with "then what would be the point of playing non-ranked?", you just found out what queue is right for you AND the answer to that question.

[@chillaxboi2109]

I'd say removing rewards is a bit extreme. I don't play normals nor ranked. Just ARAMS and... Tft now😭😔 but anyways. I'd say that improving significantly the rewards for the ranked experience would also help. It make people play harder even more so when there are actual good prizes along the way

[@hitlord]

@@chillaxboi2109 I thought of that too, my other suggestion would be to give equal rewards no matter which side you were, but that seemed like too good of a system. And if you give rewards, but it's better to the winning team, it instantly toxifies non-ranked queues.

[@warex4501]

The only reason I jump back on league is the game modes like URF. The second they end I stop playing again.

[@HuebertEllowit-LOL]

You should try rivals of aether! All 14 of the characters are viable, and tier lists have people who are last and first ranked switch all the time, and even workshop characters are pretty balanced. It's super fun, it's like melee that has a developer that actually likes competition and their community!

[@noakinn]

Only problem is the lack of new players and long queue times. Otherwise, best platform fighter I’ve played.

[@HuebertEllowit-LOL]

@@noakinn yeah, that's why we gotta get people we know into the game and make it grow!

[@DanteCrowlley]

*URF has balance problems, when I can ban the most problems I can play, even if the enemy team is 5 friends with strategy vs my team, same goes for ARAM, it's stressful if I don't try hard or more stressful if I have to go try hard instead of a troll build*

[@zylertilleman3408]

I want Ascension back. That was fun. Same with the assassin game mode and the project hunt modes. Those one time events were amazing

[@LAtttiful]

Yes. I play Ascension more than SR. Now Im just in Aram at the time because sr and urf is so unenjoyable.

[@iliaslignos]

I really need to watch his streams instead of only his vids

[@oshadharathnayake7561]

This is true, I stopped playing after an attack speed thresh absolutely destroyed my team in Urf, it's been almost 2 weeks now.

[@gabrielmartinspedra5598]

I never play URF, my favorite part of league is using Janna W or Soraka Q to poke people to death without being killed by an assassin every 2 minutes

[@tridecalogism935]

Plot twist. Riot releases patch notes, but they straight up say "We aren't telling you what's changed. Find it out for yourself."

[@cooper6035]

I don’t enjoy going into a game where I’m against champions with 5 hard cc mechanics against someone you just wanna play.

[@xSwiftx4]

And this is why it is so refreshing to see pokemon like Magnemite go up agaisnt a god damn Xerneas and destroy it because of the moves/abilities it knows that can cheese its way into beating a meta Pokemon even though it is a simple Magnemite. Pokemon has the answers to its own problems thanks to the variety of moves each pokemon can learn

[@Silversk3108]

"if you wanna tryhard why not play ranked?" Because there is no ranked URF

[@djdreamix6609]

URF is the only reason I'm still playing this game. I'm so shocked to find a lot of other people dislike it. Interesting.

[@bevvvy1374]

It's the only reason I'm playing too but it's not hard to see why people dislike it. Now if Riot actually disabled the broken champs then I don't see why anybody would hate it

[@cheryl9809]

It's really sad that urf went from 10 players fooling around with fun champions just smashing their keyboard and seeing what they could get away with with lower cooldowns on off meta builds to just ranked.

[@Vectorbro]

Imagine ramping tenacity has you get cc'ed

[@jubileeavemealone]

they should do arurf, it hinders the amount of sweatiness and i love it

[@drftr6073]

9:00 the day leroy came out on tekken, there was a tournament the same weekend and we all thought it'd be played on the previous game version, and it wasn't. 6 out of the top 8 were leroys. it was a horrific month for tekken.

[@greenbunny6668]

The experience this year is being basically try to play urf and have fun while 4 random guys go crazy about your champ, your build and end up bullying your elo

[@Egolithz]

I legit play Yasuo in URF with flash and ignite just for the challenge of beating the sweats. Surprisingly won a lot more than I thought I would lol

[@kellvas]

Crazy idea: Before releasing URF, Riot puts out a survey where you can pick 5 champs that you never want to play against in URF. They permaban the top 10-20 champs from that survey. Then, magically... You (the player) don't have to worry about people not banning OP champs.

[@senseithomes]

maybe not 20 but yea this idea is fucking awesome

[@JustAKonchu]

I mean, at that point the next most powerful 10-20 champs become the champions from meta hell you don't want to see

[@DraknorDragor]

how does this solve the problem though? Wont a new meta be created with the remaining champs? There will always be a meta

[@herobayer8006]

For some reason, there is balance in urf. Example: in Zilean's Q, the description says that he has 2 seconds cooldown, but in reality he has 4 seconds because yes, same with Kassadin (kinda understandable). But then Morgana can perma cc you not even with max Q and Akali do infinite damage with the Q (like 0.1 cooldown).

[@TurbinationE]

lmaoo as a Melee player watching the video, the entire time I was thinking about how much the Melee meta has evolved over time without any patches. That line near the end had me dying.

[@david0202095]

For real right lol

[@Nickodemo1st]

This is why off meta builds or picks can be really fun, something different, but some things require alot of effort and skill to pull off and no one wants to be flamed if they fail in an unsafe build

[@magmaslug9305]

Patches are great. It's basically the developer telling me it's time to take a break because my characters are bad now. So it's only worth playing the game 2 weeks out of a year. Great design.

[@worthlesstrash9662]

"Patching" - Laughs two years in Camille.

[@MyxelPyxel]

i like how everyone is already getting sick of the gamemode, its so tilting with the tryhards and sweaty mains.

[@alfacht8483]

Where do u get that shirt? 0:04 I need it for a... school project...

[@Krysk_SK]

I like being able to pick champs in URF, I play almost only off-meta. ARURF gets stale for me for the same reason ARAM does. Im sick of the meta picks tho, even when winning against them. Maybe more bans would be a solution - but then will the OP champs ever be available? Seems impossible to balance.

[@stachujones7707]

After Ultimate Spellbook we all started to notice that URF is usual League suffering, only faster, but the real fun is somewhere else