Karmine Corp Missing the Major, Spain Poach SSA Major Slot, Did Furia throw RLCS? - Chalked Cast #82

[@bocketbeast4307]

u 3 should also q 3s for a bonus episode

[@cheetocb3644]

Yeaaaaaa😂😂😂

[@TheSuperJP3]

Heck yeah. Team Chalked Cast

[@tbirks1539]

Sweet high ping 3s , great content ! Johnny is so funny and charismatic, can't wait

[@Pendogmillionaire]

First, the trans-atlantic-pacofic Ethernet cable

[@GoldudeMK]

The ping would be astronomical 😂

[@fabreasy304]

They need to bring back the wildcard for worlds. I would also love a wildcard for every major. There needs to be more teams at LANs.

[@notheories9012]

The "one bad day" thing legitimately might have kept both SR and KC out of worlds

[@IncineroarBestPokemon]

Tbf, if KC win regional 6, they make it very, very tough for oxygen to take their worlds spot. Also, if KC hadnt lost to oxygen in regional 4, they wouldve had a better position for worlds

[@notheories9012]

@@IncineroarBestPokemon winning 4/6 regionals and only making it "very tough" for opposition is crazy

[@crystaltytk3900]

Shopify had a top 24 and a top 16 regional finish as well as missing the first major and then also 2 top 8 finishes. Tf you mean “one bad day” lol.

[@notheories9012]

@@crystaltytk3900 that was a reference to what the SR owner said. I was more meaning it in relation to KC here

[@15kalas15]

Furia's defense historically has always looked like they were throwing lol

[@shifty8237]

Host an off season weekend tournament with new rlcs qualifier format ideas. To show which ones players, casters, veiwers like.

[@jefferycunningham2665]

if there isn't a 2/3rds rule implemented next season at a minimum that'll be some bullshit lol Nobody wants to see some random people queue up and qualify for LAN events who aren't even from there/living in the region they are playing in. Same concept applies to every region, I want to see players *from* NA representing NA at LAN, players *from* SAM representing SAM, etc.

[@regansimpson3196]

i do (aslong as the team getting the qual is better) FUCK LG

[@dustin3213]

I'm making most of those backboard reads in C1. Also it was obvious they weren't trying hard at all, it looked like diamond gameplay.

[@bearbectar7173]

Alright calm down Walmart Justin.

[@notheories9012]

With SSA it feels even worse than the other region swaps because they don't even have an SSA player. The OCE+EU to APAC and the 2xEU to NA both at least teamed with some local talent. First step to it not feeling awful is actually moving to the region (many who played in SSA didn't). Next step is having at least one player from the region. If 2Die4 was on Mobula I'd be super happy for 2Die4 and cheering for him to do well on lan. This is the worst of all aspects of a team moving.

[@SamMaki]

With the Furia thing, if everybody looked at those clips without names attached or any knowledge it was a RLCS game, let alone SAM known for their aggressive and high mech gameplay, you'd assume the PoV you're watching is trolling or throwing. I know for an absolute fact everyone watching would agree if you detached any knowledge you have of the context from the clips. They 100% threw in the sense of not putting effort into their gameplay. I personally don't give a fuck, makes no difference to me which SAM team goes to LAN, but it's obvious they were proactively trying less and being less compeitive in the series.

[@imsmallcat1034]

cj thinking the rectus ABdominus is your ass cracked me up

[@impotenceaura]

He said its an abdominal muscle 2 seconds later.

[@interycreeper5108]

What are either of them saying at 9:05? Theyre talking over eachother and I dont understand them.

[@matthew-63]

"Bad rotation" lol good callback Didnt carca accuse them of throwing against NiP in swiss? Like theres no point in throwing in round 2 of swiss causs its still way too early to tell what the playoff bracket is even gonna look like

[@zuko655]

carca has too much free time lmao

[@notheories9012]

Everyone talks about the season where everyone can win. That was the Leicester season

[@WannaBeSauzy]

Id still love to see players owning the points and not the team, so leaving a team takes away a third of the points

[@UrbanCohort]

Or maybe a 50-50 split or something, so three top players dont just get together and clinch LANs out of nowhere.

[@marijanantakli]

Or maybe like when the team drops a player, the player gets the points and if a player wanna leave, the team keeps the points

[@IncineroarBestPokemon]

Wouldnt work. Would drive mid-season roster moves to extinction

[@Pricelessmile]

​@@marijanantakliI mean how would actually define that, what if it's mutual agreement, or just they disagree on what happened

[@Pricelessmile]

If a player joined would that team gain some points again though? So like Joyo -> Oxygen wouldn't really change much because they had similar points before the change. Also how would it work on cross region transfers like Tho to APAC?

[@davidgerman5073]

Full League play like Football, will massively reward consistently and play more games, still have 2 LANs and a Worlds.

[@BaconManProd]

Talking about the team throwing. I mean, based on just those clips it's extremely obvious they didn't want to win. That was like Gold level play. Whiffing constantly and allowing the other team to win. Idk if they had a reason to throw but they definitely weren't trying which isn't necessarily bad.

[@notheories9012]

Some regionals being worth more than others is already dumb. It's even more pointless when worlds is so far away from the final regionals

[@tvlover17]

I want there to be a dream hack circuit

[@Domi-gv1io]

Major flaw of this sistem is that the scoring for major 1 and 2 is not the same. It make an unfair environment, especially between 2 teams, 1 making the first major and the other team making the second one. The second one has an unfair advantage of gaining more points while finishing in the exact same position. And imo they did that simply to have a more interesting 2nd half of the season, to have more possible drama and better entertainment with teams catching up. While making it very unfair for the teams.

[@jaysteveo9632]

It really isn't unfair. World's needs to have the best team participating so a team peaking in split 2 would be better than a team slumping into split 2 and just scraping enough points to qualify. If points are exactly the same across both splits it will just create gaps too big for teams to try overcome and just become whoever makes major 1 and gets 1 or 2 wins will go to world's unless they massively fall off. Like Shopify, SSG etc would have had almost no chance at trying to overtake LG or OG.

[@Domi-gv1io]

@@jaysteveo9632 I really tried to agree, and to a degree i agree with the first point that the team peaking in split 2 is possibly (possibly!) better for the lan, but still it doesnt make it fair. 1 team peaked in split 1 got 16 pts the other peaked in 2nd , finished on the same position got awarded more points? I don't like that one bit. We are being unfair for the (possible) entertainment purposes. The second point doesn't stand at all (with all due respect) because to qualify for major 2 they all start from 0 pts again, you know that? They have 3 open quals again, so the other set of teams can qualify for major 2. No gap is created. ( and then back to my first point, those major 2 teams then get more points on that major 2 that the group of teams on that major 1. ) This sistem actually even favorites WORSE or more inconsistent teams to have a better chance to qualify for the worlds because all they need to do is with a bit of luck be solid on major 2, that will gain them more pts for the same effort. Meaning we might have weaker worlds. LG, Shopify, Cloud9, M80 etc.all had the exact same chances like OG to make major 2. They just gained less points across 3 quals . And Shopify fell in the tie-breaker. So it was all fair and square.

[@jaysteveo9632]

@@Domi-gv1io "The second point doesn't stand at all (with all due respect) because to qualify for major 2 they all start from 0 pts again, you know that?" So you just don't understand how it works then. The points increase is for world's qualification to encourage some variance, Cinderella runs and keep the top teams focused enough to not just take a break like Johnny says in the podcast. If that's unfair to you still you just don't enjoy storylines in sports and only want to see dominance unchallenged. The points increase also literally doesn't matter at all for qualification to the individual major's because the points don't carry over, as you say they "start from 0 points".

[@Domi-gv1io]

@@jaysteveo9632 Cinderella runs are the best part, they also need to be legit, can't give teams more points just to force a cinderella run. It isnt fair if team X wins 5 series and gets 25 pts while team Y with 5 wins gets 30 pts. Now read carefully, 3 qualifications for majors 1 and 3 qualifications for majors 2 are 2 separate tournaments. So everyone has the same chance to qualify for major 1 and 2, meaning "dominance is challenged". You gotta beat the best teams to be their rival. No shortcuts.

[@jaysteveo9632]

@@Domi-gv1io Maaaaaate again the points increase you are so against is literally irrelevant to your example. I beg somebody else read this because I genuinely think you don't understand what your calling unfair.

[@TrulyLegitGaming]

Sad to see the boys can't see the blatant throwing of Furia just because it LOOKS like a bunch of clips mashed together but I can guarantee you, you wouldn't see them playing like that any other time.

[@xIWarlordZz]

You could put a bunch of clips of karmine corp together and say the same about them recently… sometimes teams just bad …

[@onze000]

Não existe razão nenhuma para eles entregarem as partidas. Comparando a NIP e a TS com a COL, já que dizem que a Furia fez o quê fez para prejudicar a COL, vemos que todas as performances da TS/NIP são melhores ou iguais as da COL, mesmo sem interferência externa. Por exemplo: OQ 4: - Fase Suiça: COL perdeu pra FUR NIP perdeu pra KRU e pra TS TS 3-0 - Eliminatórias: COL ganha da NIP e depois perde pra TS Resultado: TS > COL > NIP OQ 5: - Fase Suiça: NIP 3-0 ganhando da FUR TS perdeu pra Hero Base e ganhou da COL COL perdeu pra TN e TS - Eliminatórias: NIP ganha da COL/TS/FUR Resultado: NIP > TS > COL OQ 6: - Fase Suiça: COL 3-0 sem enfrentar TS/NIP/FUR - Eliminatórias: FUR ganha da NIP COL perde pra Hero Base TS finaliza em 1º Resultado: TS > COL = NIP Fica claro que a TS simplesmente foi melhor que a COL em todos Open Qualifier (OQ) sem interferência da Furia e a NIP passou perto de ir melhor, também sem "auxílio".

[@xIWarlordZz]

@@onze000 just to be clear I’m from the uk and don’t understand any of that

[@crit7514]

I need to find the Rizzo fart clip, for... research purposes. Not on Twitch no more 😩

[@Robertyewi]

We want to make a reason for youngsters from apac/ssa to play rocket league. We want orgs from their region to parcitipate. We want their region to build a RL ecosystem. That was in the making. That was why they got a spot. If you take their spots, ultimately, theres no reason for that spot. I think I will agree with someone in chat, that 2/3 is alright if they have residency permit there.

[@MrDunk35]

Hackers truly kill games it needs to be fixed

[@rationalbanana577]

31:25..... Why does Johnny think that if a team auto quals too early, they'll just completely stop trying, practicing, and even thinking about the game. Johnny also thinks this way about a lot of things, like going up 3-0 in a series means that the winning team will just stop worring about the match, thinking about their playstyle, and should mentally be the "easiest game to win," even though the closing match is the HARDEST match to win. Then he turns around and starts preaching that the top 8 should auto qual to the main event?? Wouldn't auto qualing into the main event support auto qualing too early for worlds? I swear to God Johnny is just complaining about the format just because he doesn't like the way that the top teams are losing (Kc is literally the ONLY top team that has missed the main event)

[@xsah2]

Yup guarantee if this was g2 falling apart he would just move them hella down on rankings and say how bad they are playing. Clear bias for KC.

[@Snapey81]

He literally made a video complaining about the format 3 months ago when Shopify Rebellion failed to qualify the regional after making top 4, and has been complaining about the format since it's announcement. It is amusing how people keep calling him out for being biased when his #1 team currently is from MENA and most of the other casters have said similar regarding the format issues.

[@LalaChimiAnyDayOfTheWeek]

@@xsah2he did move kc hella down bro lmao. He has G2 in like top 3 or 5 or something like that so I don’t get your point. He doesn’t even have kc like top 15

[@rationalbanana577]

@@Snapey81 What is amusing is you coming in here saying that having mena as #1 ISN'T being biased 😂 Plus, @ the dude who you were replying to because I never mentioned anything about Johnny being biased (Even though he's literally just Eu Tbates)

[@Snapey81]

@@rationalbanana577 Riiiiight. So he's biased towards EU _and_ MENA, dude really needs to pick a lane right? Falcons, who currently have the best record out of any team in the world this season, it must be bias to pick them! Basically whenever he doesn't pick NA as the favourite, which historically has been proven to be correct time and time again, he's biased. Got it. And yeah, I was replying to both of you as you both have L takes.

[@shid7128]

Hmm

[@UndeadUnluck]

Aint no way Johnny is saying the format is an issue after EU starts losing to teams they shouldnt. But if G2 lost to Netherlamericanada or even NRG or some shit we would never hear the end of it.

[@iamnotjcook]

I'm surprised Johnny didn't say C9 losing to Dig in S6 was his series just for the luls

[@Octopoess]

EU really should've had 5 spots. EU top 5 are all contenders for winning worlds. Realistically, NA has 2 contenders, SAM has 1 and MENA has 1. Give EU that spot back alrdy.

[@SamMaki]

EU has 5 contenders, NA MENA SAM all have 1 Major/Worlds capable team. GenG won't win, they're hardstuck 5th-8th

[@IncineroarBestPokemon]

To be fair, last split EU had 4 major-capable teams - the french 4. Its only now that oxygen entered the fray

[@SamMaki]

@@IncineroarBestPokemon Last split Oxygen is a stronger team than this splits SSG, LG, OG and SR. Yet NA still had 4 spots

[@Octopoess]

@@IncineroarBestPokemon true

[@Domi-gv1io]

2/3 rule is fine but what if the player that moved to the certain region becomes a citizen in the next year lets say. Then the whole team is 3/3 and that gives them the chance to kick one of those 2 original players from that region and add another guy from europe. And now you have a team of 2 europeans and 1 ssa ( for example). Thats why i would make it mandatory to be a citizen of a country (from that region) for at least 2 or 3 years to be able to compete in that region. Or make it 1 year + players voting from that region ( players from best 16 or 32 teams in that region) to decide if they want certain european or any other player coming into their region. That way they decide if they want to slowly take other players in the region with the idea of gradualy making the region and players in it stronger, by playing with and against slightly better players.

[@notheories9012]

Johnny's take on teams "mailing it in" if they are already qualified is fair but killing the integrity of the events for that is dumb. Maybe the answer is for all majors to be a "worlds" and you have one for the first half of the year and one for the second. That way each regional/major is weighted equally and players aren't qualifying for some event many months in advance.

[@goldengaming177]

Furia definitely threw that series. This is why banning YMC was overkill. Now any time a team throws or plays "carelessly" the only punishment is a ban. If they had suspended YMC for a small period or taken away RLCS points then they would have more leeway in investigating Furia and maybe leveraging a small punishment.

[@skyh3r0es]

I think a little bit of both would be good punishment imo, like maybe immediately ban them from the current qualifier and make them play with minus major points in the next qualifier, not too cruel as the current ban, but not too easy so they would start doing it again the next time they had the chance, and ofcourse the amount of point that would be deducted in the next qualifier can be changed based on how severe the crime was

[@xsah2]

They would also never ban furia banning ymc was fine because there irrelevant but banning the best SA team and top 8 world would be fried

[@goldengaming177]

@@xsah2 so better players get preferential treatment? That’s probably how it works anyway, but that’s not right.

[@TrulyLegitGaming]

@@goldengaming177 Yes, kinda like how NWPO didn't get banned for being extremely racist when other lesser known pros have caught bans for the same thing.

[@colinpenn7702]

Nice try Carca

[@bocketbeast4307]

0 views in 0 seconds Lowkey fell off

[@skyh3r0es]

Putting aside the fact how bad Kc played these past weeks, If KC dont make major and god forbid world, would RLCS viewership get a reality check? I mean, i really am actually concerned with RLCS viewership, like NA or EU championship sunday was struggling to have 30K view, i think last major top at 45K?cmiiw and for the record RLCS usually had 50-65K view on championship sunday, and i think RLCS top 100K for LAN?man i am worried about the future of the pro scene

[@JJ-vo9eo]

they’re not going to major that’s confirmed already, missing worlds is possible if oxygen gets like a top 8 this upcoming qualifier and then at least top 8 major

[@xsah2]

There will be yes Kameto’s stream alone usually gets just as much or more then the official broadcast

[@skyh3r0es]

@@JJ-vo9eo oh my bad, they were talking back and forth about regional, major and world so much that it got me confused, i though at 29:24 they were talking about the chance of KC making major lmao but man, with how bad kc played, and how good oxygen played this past qualifier, this weekend gonna be a really long weekend for KC

[@skyh3r0es]

@@xsah2 now with the high possibility of kameto's viewer gone after this weekend, rlcs are fucked

[@IncineroarBestPokemon]

​@@JJ-vo9eoIt depends on how oxygen and kc do in open qualifyer 6. Depending on results, oxygen would need results ranging from a top 8 to top 1 in order to take KC's worlds spot. Most likely though, oxygen would need either a top 4 or top 2 at London. On the subreddit r/RocketLeagueEsports, someone posted a chart showing what oxygen would need at London based on OQ 6 results

[@hassanfuad778]

Looks like obvious throwing. Keep in mind these are regional champs and top 8 in the world not EU bubble players. I think it's a case of being popular and fan fave gets you out of trouble sadly.

[@colinpenn7702]

Nice try Carca

[@hassanfuad778]

@@colinpenn7702 Nice try Yan

[@colinpenn7702]

@@hassanfuad778 But almost nobody, including the hosts of the show agree with you. That's why this was easily dismissed, seemed just like a salty toxic Spanish player complaining which is on brand for them. Sorry Carca *shrugs*

[@anassright5342]

We need the last regional winner to auto-qualify

[@bearbectar7173]

Defo not. If a team gets f.e. top 16, top 8 and then wins the last regional they have no right being at the major. The whole purpose of 3 regionals is to find out the consistantly best teams of every regions and 3 finishes give a good estimate who are the best teams. I'd agree on winning major 2 -> auto qual for worlds but thats a complete different case.

[@anassright5342]

well its a very good last chance to everyone .if a top 32 team works hard enough and beats the best of best why dont they get a chance to play the rest of the world .this would make the last regional much more fun. more important.and everyone will fight touth and nail. its just more competetive and more fun

[@anassright5342]

Furia threw for their friends

[@vXH34TXv]

How are you watching the furia clips and not saying they throwing lmao sooo obvious man they never have car control like that jeeezzzz how much furia paid yall