What happened to the Sinden Lightgun? | Tech Nibble

[@RMCRetro]

If you want to try out the Sinden Lightgun this weekend book a ticket to visit The Cave at rmcretro.com/visit and I'll set it up for you! Neil

[@RMCRetro]

@@durandboy Hey Conan, I do have one but I tend not to rush into reviewing new things when there is so much vintage stuff to enjoy. We do share our thoughts on it in some episodes of @thisweekinretro podcast. In future I intend to setup a temporary "future retro" exhibition in The Cave and it will appear in that so I'll share that with you when it's done. Thanks for asking

[@jamesburke2759]

This guy seems like a genuine guy that wants what we all want

[@DaveVelociraptor]

Dinosaurs to retake the world?

[@RobGMun]

It's absolutely vital that this company continues to grow and improve the light guns. I may not need one now but in the near future I might do. and this is the only company I can see buying a light gun for emulators from.

[@ulysees321]

100% whole heartedly agree with this comment

[@chiquita683]

Wiimote

[@BillerBeemstar]

@@chiquita683its not the same accuracy wise

[@natswii]

I've started to use my Sinden lightgun more now that Batocera has plug and play support - Works great on a steam deck too attached to an external display.

[@spongeknock7387]

Good to hear it works on the steam deck. i was wondering if it did as just got one

[@garystinten9339]

Thanks for this.. was always wondering if it would work out of the box or needing a plugin to batocera

[@johnwayne9536]

I've tried it on the Deck, and it's been incredibly hit and miss. Have had much better results on Windows.

[@eraerror5054]

This guy is an absolute legend. Andy does what billion dollar gaming companies dont. Can’t compete with pure passion. Thank you.

[@HisVirusness]

I love to see when a Kickstart campaign is run by someone who is very obviously passionate about his project. Really happy to see this wasn't something that was some flash in a pan.

[@YoDz-117]

Please for the love of god Phil listen to this man!

[@Zobbster]

I've been following the Sinden project since Andy released his first video and it's really great to see it come so far. Nice work Andy!!

[@Jaw0lf]

A great update and I love my 2 Sinden light guns. I am so pleased that this has been a huge success and continued past the initial run.

[@tunkunrunk]

the last time I checked light guns for LCD was in 2011 , and they were prototypes at their early stage . didn't know they've made lot of progress since then

[@IronBalls007]

I have one for my DIY arcade and it works near perfectly. Almost no delay, very accurate and feels good in your hands. The great thing is that it does not need IR sensors, only the white bar on the sides that in a dark room can be set to very small and will still work flawless. If it was not for the import costs that I knew before I ordered (and made my lightgun A LOT more expensive) I would rate it a 9.8/10 for what you can expect from it. Looks great on the side of my arcade :))

[@bensonr2]

I don't think you can knock them on the import costs... there was no way to predict how brexit would affect them.

[@OptimusSatanas]

@@bensonr2 Using an external factor to deduct points from a product is definitely not fair.

[@WingburenArcade]

I personally have invisible ir lights installed on the frame and it's done rather that have a white frame which needs to be set up for each emulator/arcade games though 😉

[@Ebbing88]

What country did you import to and how much was the cost to get it there? Im residing in Sweden, and are tempted to buy 2 guns but not sure how much the VAT will be on the guns :)

[@izzieb]

It's good it all turned out well. Great for emulation and cool to hear new lightgun games have been released.

[@TheSynrgy1987]

Got mine, they done a decent job of keeping people updated with orders and production and delivered a working product so I'm happy, need to use it more though.

[@elphive42]

I’m surprised he didn’t mention the Arcade1Up BBH cabinet - that actually uses two Sinden lightguns on it for the rifles, and they work really well.

[@TrashfordKent]

Yeah same here

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Probably because it might be seen as an advertisement of Arcade 1Up.

[@kingbuzzo8703]

You are doing gods work. I will be ordering a recoil model in the next few weeks.

[@DSt3alth]

I've only ever backed one thing on Kickstarter....and it was the Sinden lightgun. So happy with it,(Bought 2 for my homemade cabinet) and he is a stand up bloke. Always kept updating us on its progress and delays, THIS is the experience that a Kickstarter should be. I wish him riches and a 🍻 if I ever meet him in person 🙂

[@ChaseFace]

I really have to get one. The recoil edition looks so sick.

[@SomePotato]

I have one. The recoil mechanism makes it quite heavy. But it feels lovely to handle and it works great!

[@Trenchbroom]

What irony: the day I make arrangements to sell my two Sinden guns is the same day that RMC has an update to the episode that convinced me to buy them in the first place. I will say they work great, and I'm only selling mine because I thought my family would really enjoy them, but they played them once and was never interested again, unfortunately.

[@Seanbyford]

Great British success and an amazing piece of kit. Thank you!

[@SupremeODMG]

Andy is an amazing guy, has great customer service. Been using since release and bought a 2nd one. Love my Sindens, thanks Sinden team.

[@random_an0n]

and he went on to sign a deal with arcade 1up for the time crisis,big buck hunter and terminator 2 cabs siden are the true lightguns,aimtrak and 4ir are just glorified wiimotes,with a sinden once its dialed in it legit feels like the arcade experience you remember as a kid.

[@ens0246]

This guy is working hard to make my dream a more realisable reality! Thank you!

[@icollidge]

He failed to mention Titch Gamer, the worlds best volunteer tech support guy.

[@megacherv]

"The problems are mainly in the emulation" *cries in Time Crisis 2 MAME*

[@CDbiggen]

Ah I'm guessing that's not easy to emulate, if at all? Shame because as watching this it was the first game I thought of

[@mbertolijr]

Thanks for the reminder that it’s out, going to pick up one now.

[@ScottDuensing]

I'm the author of Singe and just wanted to say that Andy rocks. He's a great guy - buy a light gun! Mine have held up through several public demos like champs!

[@dwindeyer]

The v2 software is a BIG upgrade in usability, especially for 2 player. Managing two instances of the software was downright nasty. Still some bugs like camera settings don't seem to stick very well, recoil adjustments has known issues. But it's working and it's going in the right direction.

[@Tikibird]

I was on the fence about buying one but after seeing your passion for it, I'm in. might hold out for the grey one though

[@TheSillyvagabond]

Same. I also want the grey one. White or Grey, but that grey looks amazing and will match the. colors of my cabinet. Hope they release it soon.

[@pcgrimreaper1562]

Bought a gun very impressed with the quality just haven't properly built a htpc for it yet

[@davidsharp9166]

I have one and it's great. At the moment it's packed up as I moved recently and not set up the Stuff yet here at the new place

[@BlockABoots]

Hopefully Andy can getting it working natively with the MiSTer FPGA at somepoint!

[@arbayer2]

My god, that'd be amazing :O

[@jn1211]

I am absolutely in love with my sinden!!! I've finally just decided to forgo the retro games in favour of modern game offerings on steam and I've been having an absolute blast just having everything work without a million hours diving into settings.

[@jn1211]

on a side note, I really do wish it would work with my series S. that would make it such a perfect portable combo

[@gotmygoodelf]

my gun has worked flawlessly since i got it at end of 2020, love shooting zombies in HOTD on a 55" tv

[@SHOTTYTV]

just ordered one a week ago should be at my door ion a few days... excited

[@theoldpainless4456]

the gun is a must have if you love arcade games from the 90's...the pedal would be the cherry on the top to a good arcade at home experience BUT...200+ bucks for ONE pedal...a bit hard to swallow even if it looks awesome and is "bulletproof"...i guess just 2 guns to play with family and friends will do for now. Anyway, nice and informative vid as always.

[@motasmagic]

Going to take andy saying RELOAD!! as my ringtone!!

[@cemsengul16]

It had a lot of buzz as the first modern lightgun solution that does not require an infrared receiver but it died down because of the difficulty to setup and the slower response compared to the gun4ir.

[@TheBroz]

@Mr Smith Once configured, I’ve had no issues with responsiveness of the Sinden. There’s no way in hell I want to piss about attaching receivers on my living room tv.

[@FhargaZ]

I have mine finally working in retropie, it works better with natural light and i will try some settings later because some games have issues in the night with artificial lights.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

That might be what I am facing I could never get mine to work and I gave up around the time the Discord channel gave up on me and started treating me rather negatively.

[@Colin_Ames]

Thanks for the update.

[@TheBroz]

I really need to get around to updating the software for mine. I think I’m running a very old version and usability was a bit of an arse.

[@ultraspinalki11]

I just wish there was an adapter for every console that could make use of the Sinden lightguns.

[@LarixusSnydes]

That's probably doable with a Raspberry or similar Linux box that handles the driver and an interface board that translates the input into the signal that the console (core) expects. Digital signals are mostly easier to produce than analogue variable voltage/ current levels, but I expect it it to be quite a lot of work regardless.

[@ultraspinalki11]

@@LarixusSnydes there was an product prior to the pandemic called the "lightgunverter" that was designed to make any console lightgun work on modern tvs. Sadly, due to the part shortage there havent been anymore made for the last few years.

[@electricb1]

Can this be used with RetroTink 5x Pro?

[@myretronation]

Would love to see wireless versions one day

[@garystinten9339]

Absolutely.. Using 18650 or 21700 as "ammo" in the clip..

[@eliotcole]

@@garystinten9339 Well ... usboverip is a real thing ... if the Sinden is USB2.0 or lower in latency/throughput (480MB/S?) then it could very well be doable! That said, I've seen that the lag introduced there may be too much for this particular application. However the lag that I saw was on a 1080p stream. If the resolution of the Sinden's camera is much, much, lower, the lag may not be an issue.

[@shaunmatthewcpoetry]

I got a blue gun about a month back, love it!

[@lords2112]

Your the man...This Sinden Lightgun works great....Jsst Awesome ....Well worth it...)

[@GazOutbreak]

What I really want is a HOTD3 Shotgun style one

[@SammyRenard]

would be cool for carnevil too

[@hoganzeros3572]

They do have shotgun pumps in case you didnt know

[@marioenriquez5762]

Awsome gunx, Thank you for making them and all your Hard work!

[@RETROMachines]

Interesting video as always. Keep up the good work..

[@martinh4982]

I can't believe it's been three years since you looked at the prototype!

[@rasz1013]

Why not connect the light gun wiring into the pedal set up.

[@dwhelan88]

Got one of the first Sinden lightguns and have to say accuracy is great but on games were you have to go from one side of the screen to the other fairly quick there is a slight delay....

[@random_an0n]

thats a settings issue,ive had no issue since tweaking it

[@ewstargamer]

This looks like such a great project hopefully this will take off and we see real light guns back again

[@danhoppy5517]

A great genre of games I played all the way from the Spectrum to the PS2. It was never quite the same playing a light-gun game with a Wii remote! One of the drawbacks switching from CRT to flat screen TVs...

[@RionRedemp83]

I never switched

[@ivibs1984]

I really want one of these..... however, I wish there was one based on the Guncon2 instead of the Guncon1.

[@lodoss118]

I was hoping he would talk about sinden 2.0

[@IanDunbar1]

It's a pity there's no way to get the Sinden to work with Analogue's console clones. That would be really cool.

[@ricksanchez-qx5zz]

What the hells going on with the ps2 mod it says about it on the website says there’s a video but I can’t find a single thing about the mod anywhere

[@rcadenow7543]

i like my sinden...solid product all around. downsides are: not so great recoil imo (would be also great if it would be a moving part like in namco time crisis guns) and the constant need for a dark enviroment for it to really work well.

[@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073]

so this would work with my ps4 or ps5 games?

[@gunksart]

Got 2 currently building a cabinet to use them as he said the main gripe is that fir defferent emulators you may need additional sofware like demulshooter and it can be confusing for a noob but hardware is great, the new beta sofware is great for dual lightgun support but noticed some of the mame ctlr files were missing but was able to get them from the previous software on the site :)

[@greenreaper1985]

A ps5 version and some remastered gun games would be the dream

[@LarixusSnydes]

I hope they will go with an interface board/ box solution instead, so you can use 1 gun on any console that is supported in this way.

[@retrorabbitstudios]

I have one of these light guns with recoil, and I still haven't used it..

[@DMVHipHopStop]

Thank You

[@weeblbob233]

Engineer made. Shit works. It just needs a bit less jank and more checking accuracy on corners to calibrate.

[@Urfavfav56]

Does it work on Batocera ? Does it need a sensor bar ?

[@jd2792]

yes it works with Batocera and it will work with any thing that can read mouse inputs it doesn't need any sensor it has a built in software that create a thin border on the screen that all it need to work

[@TheRetroGamingPrincess]

I absolutely want this project to succeed. I just wish I could test it on my real arcade hardware. Some light gun games are getting harder and harder to source CRTs for. ( Specifically 25" )

[@stephenoflaherty5656]

Surely the improvements and developments in using Wii motes makes them a more viable and cost effective solution to casual users. Seem so easy to setup in things like Batocera etc. Don't even need them dolphin bar things now

[@tvandbeermakehomergo]

I backed the Sinden based on the video you put out, and was part of the first batch of users and are very happy with the quality of the product. Biggest thing I am still waiting for is Mac OS support, it has become much more needed given the M1 based Macs can not use bootcamp for windows compatability.

[@casedistorted]

I really really want one of these

[@dadillo]

What is the game at 0:04 ?

[@RMCRetro]

Mad Dog Mcree

[@ToxoRetro]

If Sinden and Blaze could so some form of deal to install compatible drivers on the Evercade VS console, I'd buy one (maybe two). It would open the doors to light gun games, with the popularity of a lack of potential compatibility/setup/technophobia issues. Blaze license deals pending, I can see a few light gun cartridges being released. "Bang!" is already (hidden) via Gaelco arcade cartridges, which is cool but awkward on a gamepad. I guess current may be an issue via the Evercade VS' USB ports as the whole console runs from 5 watts. Maybe a powered USB hub solution if required?

[@doop6995]

Will it work with steam deck and time crisis

[@GODLIKE99KINGZ]

Cool forgotten tech

[@chaver28]

what happened to their website?? the sinden site no longer works

[@RMCRetro]

Looks OK to me sindenlightgun.com/

[@chaver28]

@@RMCRetro yea malware bytes kept blocking the site for some reason

[@kenknight5983]

Injection moulding is always the killer. You may as well make something from concrete

[@AtomicGoober]

Why is it we haven't seen any remakes of any light gun titles for VR?

[@jayp3564]

Phil Spencer call him now!

[@TheOneRobUK]

I got one and it's good fun though wouldn't work on my TV, just my pc monitor. My only criticism is the PC GUI being clunky to setup and use

[@regfenster]

I've had mine since 2020, managed to set it up in windows and mover the pointer around, cannot get it to work with anything though as emulation set up is an absolute minefield for those new to it. Lost patience put it back in the box and tucked it under the sofa and forgot about it.

[@herbderb8081]

My experience too, a few days ago retro ralph showed the Batocera plug n play image so i spent the day setting it up and guess what it plugged but didnt play. I am in no way an emulation noob but the amount of time to get the Sinden dialled in just ends up not being worth it if you have a life

[@wilsonian89]

really hope it's taken up by Microsoft for the xbox!

[@GaryGoodJob_]

I would love this for my OLED TV, but am a bit timid by its complexity to set up. Can anyone mention how complicated it is to set this thing up? Saw some videos and seemed like a lot of settings and things to go through. Prefer the more plug and play aspect of things these days with work and such going on in life.

[@jayvee5886]

They all will need some sort of set. Some are easier than others. Sinden set is involved but there are tons of tutorials out there. Also once you have it set up you're good to go. If you're really into plug and play Batocera has a plug and play solution for Sinden light guns. These things are just awesome!! I have 2

[@random_an0n]

its not that bad,hotd and the vcops basically work upon load up but newer stuff needs a bit of tinkering but nothing a youtube tutorial cant teach

[@fatbelly2438]

i sold mine after a few months..didnt really wok on each game without a lot of fiddling about..

[@slewis2363]

Hearing this from a lot of people. Too much of a pain to setup. Many have gone down the Gun4IR or AE road and not looked back

[@MobileDecay]

All us old fossils want lightgun games to return! Lol.

[@tysonclarke012]

Once it goes over to Android - it's off to the races. The ability to create new games for it is so much simpler, and will be extremely fast. Betas are out now!

[@ogxboxmike]

PHIL!!!!! GET ON THE PHONE NOW!!!!

[@rcadenow7543]

would be great if sinden v2 will be wireless!

[@frankfortfcgoc]

if it had that time crisis recoil thing i would of got one shame.......

[@Walczyk]

Ps1 adapter please!!!

[@amirprog]

Its good as cheaper option. Competition is good for the consumer.

[@mcrecordings]

Not had a great experience with mine, it was a pain to setup and then I could only get it working with a couple of games (Duck Hunt in retroarch and Point Blank in Mame). Not sure why but all the buttons register as the same input.

[@FhargaZ]

In windows i had many issues also, in retropie with Barebones it waa pretty good.

[@mcrecordings]

@@FhargaZ I tried Batocera 35 yesterday and it was pretty good. Only issue I had was when trying to use a 4:3 monitor, it seems you can't switch between borders (like under Windows) so that's something to figure out.

[@random_an0n]

coinops 2 the arch lightgun pack on arcade punks is pretty decent also your settings are wrong,you are probs mapping it 1 way in the sinden software and another in retroarch or whatever you have

[@d3v-z3r0]

Aren't lightguns outpaced from VR games and their controllers?

[@kenshii9d891]

This is for retro games on emulation

[@johnjoyce]

Next up make it work with AR/VR devices

[@VulpisFoxfire]

...AR I can maybe see, but why VR? VR gun-use works on reading where the hands are pointing, a completely different technique and technology than used for light-guns, which involves the gun detecting the screen you're playing on. Granted, I could see someone maybe doing a gun controller for VR...which would basically be the internals of a standard hand controller in a gun-shaped shell.

[@johnjoyce]

@@VulpisFoxfire AR and VR should effectively be the same really. But not using the light aspect. Mostly positioning.

[@IamLegend32]

I recently dropped about $300 on a pair of Aimtrak guns w/recoil because I've set up and used them before so I have familiarity. Also, I've heard the Sinden can be a pain to set up and I also didn't like the white frame around the screen... But even with all that said, I kind of wished I went with Sinden instead. Anyone here have first hand experience with Aimtrak vs Sinden?

[@CoryB_1980]

Definitely Sinden over Aimtrak.

[@TheBroz]

Aimtrak is a complete arse

[@random_an0n]

aimtraks are glorified wiimotes,sinden is a true lightgun and feels like the arcade. you done goofed with the consumer choice

[@drphobus]

love the Sinden Lightgun, but the cost of the peddle is imho way overpriced also some games need 2 or 3 peddles to play as intended. But saying that I he prospers.

[@Goomba_Smash]

I ended up making my own from a 3 pedal electric piano foot pedal that I paid $40 for.

[@random_an0n]

just bought 2 today from sinden,looking forward to them arriving got a coinops image ready and waiting for it :D

[@AxiomofDiscord]

I could never get my guns to work so not everyone and the Discord channel basically got tired of me and I felt like it was time to move on did not want to burden them anymore. But I do find it a lot of money for some replica plastic guns.

[@princesspeach5308]

I suggest looking up Jasen Baker’s KZbin channel “Integrum Retro” on setting up Sindens. I was in the same boat as you until I found his video. Plus, you can get drives from him already configured for Sinden. If you have any problems with the games he’ll fix it for you.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

@@princesspeach5308 Thanks will look it up

[@GooseDaPlaymaker]

Your number one priority should be getting compatibility on PS1-PS3. That is all I have to say! 😅

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Just one one comment re the thumbnail my friend... Not watched the video yet as in the pub after work, but along with many people these days I have hundreds of yt subscriptions. A red tinted border on the thumbnail can look like I've already watched it, especially if just skimming... This could cost you views mate. Not a complaint just an attempt to help....

[@stonecoldmark316]

Great update i realy hope there will be a console verisons made ps1 , saturn , dreamcast cause it will be great .

[@LarixusSnydes]

I hope they will go with an interface board/ box solution instead, so you can use 1 gun on any console that is supported in this way.

[@dsswooshy]

Just bought myself a gaming laptop. After discovering teknoparrot emulator, I'll soon be purchasing a sinden lightgun. Thanks for bringing light gun games back, it will bring back alot of memories for me to also play the older games i remember.