RN Pisa - Guide 228

[@Drachinifel]

Pinned post for Q&A :)

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

What do you think about the italian M.A.S.?

[@dennistomsen5822]

Please look at the Danish Navy and/or the Ironclad Helgoland 🙂

[@ShadrachVS1]

How would the WW2 PTO been different if NZ was part of Australia?

[@carlthorpe5538]

Hi Drach, could you do something on the Battle of the Malacca Striaght on the 15th/16th May 1945 and the sinking of the Haguro by British destroyers please :)

[@bkjeong4302]

Considering Germany’s geographical position, would the Kriegsmarine having better designs in WWII helped them much in the grand scheme of things or would it just lead to ships not being able to get out nearly all the time anyways?

[@ovk-ih1zp]

I admit, the Regina Marina was a collection of inventive bastards. They would try ANYTHING at least once!

[@TheAngelobarker]

When you're the underdog you learn to be open to possibilities.....yes even radar. Italy developed it's own radar to the point it was equivalent to some ww2 sets in the 1930s. However the Italian naval chief of staff was worried that they would malfunction and thus preferred the more reliable visual rangefinders. Fun fact the gufo Mk 3 was installed unmodified to the Italian naval ships and later led to a few naval victories for the marina. Abruzzi went on to use it in anti u boat duties for a bit before adopting the american radar systems.

[@MrArtbv]

"try ANYTHING at least once!" As would the RN. The difference being the RN would then proceed to build 10-12 more whether they actually worked ... OR NOT.

[@gluesniffingdude]

Proving once again that the biggest detriment to the Italian navy were the Italians themselves, or at least their leadership

[@z3r0_35]

@@gluesniffingdude Yep, that's Italy in a nutshell: great enlisted personnel and special forces and some of the most inventive engineers around, unfortunately stymied by incompetent officers, bureaucratic strangulation, political corruption, and the inability of the Italian economy to sustain a major war effort without foreign aid (since Italy never fully industrialized, nor did they ever have the sort of resources, domestically or from their imperial possessions, to create the sort of industry that countries like the UK, France, Germany, Russia, or the US could). However, as Rommel proved in North Africa, put Italian troops under foreign command (or pit them against an enemy with even more problems, i.e. Austria-Hungary in World War I), and they'll make miracles happen.

[@TheAngelobarker]

@@gluesniffingdude no in this case it was a fuel embargo and german intelligence and "air support". Sure the decision for radar was poor but almost every admiral in the regia marina was extremely competent. Campioni and bergamini are examples. Even the lemon iachino was an advocate prewar for radar(he got a threatening letter from the naval chief of staff about it since it seems he was constantly pestering him) this explains iachino's unwillingness to engage once he knew the allies had radar. And keep in mind The chief of staff otherwise made excellent decisions such as the littorio's and the zaras (he was the reason italy had so many submarines and had any real escort fleet in the form of the spice class level torpedo boats) He was replaced for that failure ofc but no one italian admiral was terrible. The manufacturing failed the men with shell quality but otherwise almost every other failure of the regia marina can be summed up as german intelligence/fuel shortage. (Sans campioni being reluctant in the beginning of the war due to his desire to have the littorio class online)

[@ryangale3757]

I must say, aesthetically, the Pisa-class are probably the best looking armoured cruisers ever made in my opinion. The Italians really had a knack for building good-looking ships, didn't they?

[@michaelkaylor6770]

An actual 5 min 5-minute guide, Drach must have been under the weather when researching!

[@EyeKracker83]

Clearly something must be up if the guides are actually five minutes! Oh God I hope his iron bru supplies haven't run out!

[@michaelkaylor6770]

@@EyeKracker83 I wonder how much of his Patreon goes to the Iron Bru salesman?

[@KR4FTW3RK]

What a pretty ship! I love how pronounced the ram bow is on this one. The design also seems fairly balanced.

[@mikepette4422]

i guess the Italians STILL recalled the battle of Lissa and weren't taking any chances

[@MrArtbv]

I agree, she appears to be a well balanced for her time, extremely competent CA. If Craddock had had her and her sister ship instead of Monmouth and Good Hope.. I wonder if Von Spee would have even offered battle.

[@richmcgee434]

The Italian navy has had some very attractive ship designs over the years. Meanwhile their French neighbors were building floating hotels as often as not. :)

[@scottygdaman]

Italian style. Lovely

[@olivermacke838]

@@MrArtbv *von Spee

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

"If the secondaries on both sides of your ship are firing, you're probably in trouble"

[@cgi2002]

I like to call that a target rich environment. Kreig Guardsman to his captain. "Sir were surrounded" "Good, they can't possibly escape us now, fix bayonets". ...happy has mask noises.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

@@cgi2002 Sail me closer, I want to hit them with my sword!

[@JackDrinkn2DollarJim]

Any guns you are not using are wasted.

[@tcpratt1660]

@@cgi2002 Chesty Puller commanding the Marine Detachment on the RN Pisa would be happy: "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things."

[@williamgoin139]

First Guadalcanal - Odd numbered ships commence fire to starboard; even ships to port. But they WERE in trouble.

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

Drach you put the description of the Garibaldi class in the video description

[@Drachinifel]

Sorry, fixed!

[@crayonmuncher8532]

Good stuff drach, I know you probably have a huge backlog of requests but at some point maybe you could do a cohesive history of torpedo protection?

[@rudolfschrenk6171]

A Pisa without a tilted tower? Shocking, truly shocking!

[@richardm3023]

Yeah, you'd think they'd have built it with a permanent list.

[@ΜιχάληςΝικολάκης-τ4λ]

That is probably the origin of their permanent list lol

[@bobs1150]

Every time I heard you say "Blücher", I expected to hear horses whinnying (ala Young Frankenstein)

[@JackDrinkn2DollarJim]

You know He must have thought about doing it.

[@ogscarl3t375]

I assume the Regina Elena class pre-dreadnoughts are already on the "to do" list Drach or a guide has already been done if not consider this comment me asking for it to be added to the ever growing guide list :D

[@Thirdbase9]

Oddly the ship always had a list, the Italians could never get it float completely level.

[@robertf3479]

That isn't really unusual. Sometimes a class of ship comes off the drawing board with an inadvertent imbalance designed in. The USN Spruance class DD had a slight list of two or three degrees due to an engineering imbalance, primarily due to one propeller shaft being longer (and thus heavier) than the other with no compensation designed in. To my knowledge this was never given a permanent fix as it could easily be corrected when stores and fuel were loaded. This actually gave the ships slightly better endurance from more stores being shipped rather than dead weight (lead or steel bars) in the bilges.

[@Celebmacil]

It did have a significant lean, it's true. I suspect it had to do with some sort of problem of the foundations at the dockyards.

[@polychromia]

Very apt for a vessel named after a city famous for a Leaning Tower.

[@chanman819]

For some reason, I read that as "Float completely sober"

[@katrinapaton5283]

@@chanman819 well, she was Italian after all.

[@gregghelmberger]

Oh those pretty, pretty Italian ships.

[@barrylucas8679]

Why am I sad when the story always ends with "they were sold for scrape".

[@cyroostetherington3335]

Prob cause its a unceremoniously bland end for weapons of war And many ships that shouldnt been scrapped have been

[@cp1cupcake]

Sold for scrap vs Still on Patrol...

[@living2ndchildhood347]

Where do the ship’s ghosts go when the ship is scrapped?

[@Hypernefelos]

Not always. You can still visit the Averoff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5TShJ-dmt2Jm9k

[@nervun8097]

The good thing is that one of the Pisa class cruisers still survives

[@brentsummers7377]

A good looking ship.

[@migeary]

Averof surely had a more interesting career than her sister ships, becoming a legend for the Greek Navy, as it single handedly defeated the Ottoman fleet in action, during the Balkan wars not once, but twice. Went on to serve albeit in a limited role in WW2 as well and is nicely preserved as a museum ship, with honorary active status in Greece. A good opportunity for warship enthusiasts to visit a true Armored cruiser of that era, if they find themselves in the country.

[@fescountcristo9256]

In a 100 years they will teach you and that which you teach us. Great job. Big love

[@mattwoodard2535]

Hey, something must be wrong here. This Five Minute guide is only five minutes long. It must be a mistake. ;) sm

[@johngregory4801]

My ears perked up when you told me the third hull became the Georgios Averoff. That means the Pisa and her sister either rose to the courage and skill of their crews... Or fell to the same. The Averoff kicked a** whenever her captain and crew were up to it.

[@Riccardo_Silva]

Yuupeee! A Drach's vid! Let's watch it! 😄

[@younoobskiller]

Italian navy, trying different stuff with varying results

[@BHuang92]

Definitely up there next to the French......

[@mvl9591]

Saturday morning, chores to do, but first, warship video!

[@F40PH-2CAT]

Italian vessels look great as they sink.

[@rvail136]

Drach, thanks as always you're a fount of information.

[@richardm3023]

Why do I hear horses whinny every time he says "Blucher"???

[@agesflow6815]

Thank you, Drachinifel.

[@MustachePrinter]

Bro I literally was just talking about this ship with my friends yesterday

[@KarlArty]

Description still says "Garabaldi class" Drach

[@alanrogers7090]

I would like to know more about the American "Colorado"-class battleships, in particular, the USS West Virginia (BB-48). She was sunk at Pearl Harbor, but raised, rebuilt and saw service later in WWII. If I remember correctly, she was in Tokyo Bay during the Japanese surrender in September, 195. She then spent time returning troops back to the United States.

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

I think he already did a video about those ships, check the Playlist

[@paulbedsonwpgb]

HI Drachinfel, My Great Grandfather served on board HMS Cyclops and HMS Colossus during WW1 and I wondered if you would like to cover either of those. I'd like to know what happened to Colossus after her refit as my Great Grandfather Thomas Cassidy deserted after whatever happened with her in the Autumn and Winter of 1917. Also a piece on submarine resupply vessels like Cyclops would be much appreciated. Keep up the good work!

[@skeletonwguitar4383]

I just opened the yt app on my phone and was distracted by something else, carrying my phone to my.side and suddenly a bit of my hand slipped to the screen and just played whatever came up first. Like the alignment of the stars, it happen to be your newest video, just as I would like to do. Amazing

[@richardcutts196]

Not a bad cruiser design.

[@davidbirt8486]

Another good video.

[@garrymartin6474]

and they finally put the mast with its look out position in front of the funnels.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Forget the guns and armor. Was the food any good?

[@nervun8097]

In one of them the sailors rebelled because they gave them blue cheese, which they thought it was molded.

[@bergerheisen9903]

Wow the algorithm worked great for once

[@richardcutts196]

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the twin 7.5" had been traded for a single 10" giving a broadside of 6 10" guns. They could have taken the 7.5" and made a cheap heave cruiser with 8 7.5" guns.

[@MG-rg3dr]

It's a little (okay, more than a little!) earlier than your typical fare, but I'd love to see a 5-minute review of "the White Ship" (yes, the "her sinking began The Anarchy" White Ship 😅)!

[@MG-rg3dr]

Another cool possibility would be the Mora, AKA William the Conqueror's flagship :)

[@worldtraveler930]

I was expecting to see the smoke stacks {Leaning} !

[@EuroScot2023]

You forgot the captions/subtitles. I'll catch this when you update.

[@tulsatrash]

So these are Georgios Averof's siblings.

[@MrArtbv]

Too bad Craddock didn't have her and her sister when he faced Von Spee... Although I'm curious as to her range. Drach doesn't mention it in the video; but Italy and Austro-Hungarian designs didn't have to account for the larger coal bunkers of say the RN or USN. Still. as KR4FT noted below, "What a pretty ship"..

[@chilternsroamer872]

This video reminds me what I am having for tea.

[@buckduane1991]

Now, I’ve heard a lot about ships of this era having submerged torpedo tubes... like this one has three, but where were they, exactly? And how were they intended to be used? Were they setup like submarines, one on either side of the bow and one in the stern, to fire in one of travel or were they side-firing for broadside attacks? Other than HMS Rodney (I think it was?) bring the only battleship to land a torpedo strike on another battleship (Bismarck in 1940) I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a battleship ever utilizing a torpedo... so, how were they incorporated into ships in this era and intended to be used? I assume in the 1800s they were meant to fire... “Flathead” was it? “Whitehead”? ...torpedoes, so I’ve always been curious when I’ve heard of “submerged torpedo tubes”. It makes sense in the evolution of technology that eventually led to submarines being able to fire them submerged, but my questions still linger and the possibilities to learn intrigue me.

[@tankdriver67m64]

A wonderful fantasy matchup: Blucher vs Rurik.

[@iansadler4309]

Do you regard the San Giorgio / San Marco as a truly seperate class or as Pisa variants? Also, by the time they were built, wasn't it apparent that the day of the armoured cruiser was effectively over? Wouldn't even a single upgraded vessel to genuine battlecruiser standard have been a better return on capital emplyed?

[@whya2ndaccount]

I presume the light guns on the turret rooves are not meant to be used currently with the main batteries, or is blast, concussion, etc. not a thing on ships?

[@scipio10000]

Any plan to cover submarine classes?

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

But does the ship tilt like the Leaning Tower tho

[@elcastorgrande]

A ship that deserves the five-minute treatment: HMS "Torrin" more poperly known as HMS Kelly, from Noel Coward's 1942 classic "in Which We Serve."

[@m1llsy227]

Hi drac love the vids can we get some more WW1 ships and battles?

[@Presseclipping]

Can you make a video about the Wapen von Hamburg/Leopoldus Primus and their Captain Karpfanger?

[@77thTrombone]

What about her stopping power? *Two* anchors on the starboard bow, and one on the port bow. Three anchors is ambitious. But then at 4:00 I see a 3rd anchor amidships port, at 4:30 a 4th amidships starboard(just aft of the mast) ?!?! I don't think I've _ever_ seen an anchor amidships. Those Italians _will_ try anything!

[@tulsatrash]

Well spotted. I didn't really stop to think about those anchors until I saw your comment.

[@KamenosTypas]

Excellent video! One minor remark: if you're going for the original pronunciation it's pronounced "Ye-oryios Averof", not "Zhe-oryios Averof".

[@derrickstorm6976]

Can you do a guide on how to pronounce your username? 😅

[@gluesniffingdude]

come on, it's not too hard, it's a pisa cake.

[@Lowkeh]

@@gluesniffingdude I wholeheartedly approve of this reply

[@-_-9440]

@@gluesniffingdude you gained my infinite approval. I'm laughing out loud

[@crazeelazee7524]

I think he explained it once but I can't remember which video it was in :/

[@alexbrown6980]

Drac in fel

[@koidakismanolis6349]

Condottieri class in the future ?

[@Gekke_Nedje]

You should do a Prince Philip special!

[@federicoviolino6784]

Italian Fever or Just in Need if pizza?

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

Il tuo inglese sempre al top vedo eh?

[@BHuang92]

You could say that the "last surviving ship of the Regina Marina" is in the Greek Navy as the Georgios Averof.

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

There is the Amerigo Vespucci, she's still in service in the italian navy as a training ship

[@sandrodunatov485]

There is also a breathtaking WW II 'motozattera' , MZ 737 (kinda of a large landing ship, could transport three tanks and was armed with a real gun) in preserved conditions in a drydock well hidden inside the historic Arsenal in Venice (still largely property of the Navy, so mostly inaccessible, save for the ancient Corderie that are used by the ever-growing Biennale). That ship isn't in the water anymore (it was well into the 80s) though so today it is just a museum piece. IIRC it was built on-purpose to invade Malta along with other sister ships but were used to swiftly supply North Africa instead. There are also two preserved 'motosiluranti' in existence as museum ships (these are Italian-built German Torpedoboot). That's all as far as I know.

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

@@sandrodunatov485 and don't forget Amerigo Vespucci

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

And M.A.S. 15, the M.A.S. that was used by Luigi Rizzo to sink battleship Santo Stefano (it's preserved in the Taranto arsenal)

[@sandrodunatov485]

@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat yeah right, I was pointing to ships or boats of WWII vintage. There are then to consider three surviving MAS (from WWI I though) , one in Vittoriale, one in the Vittoriano, and the one in TarantoArsenal . All of them are in museums or similar institutions, obviously. And there are the subs: two RM Caproni small subs are still in existence and in museums as well, one is hidden somewhere in the warehouse of the enormous Henriquez collection in Trieste (alongside an original Biber!!) and another is visible and restored in the Technical museum of Zagabria (Zagreb).

[@jonathanlong6987]

Did her conning tower lean?

[@airplanenut89]

5 minute guide is actually 5 minutes (minus intro). Who are you and what have you done with Drach?

[@davidbrennan660]

At last Saturday is complete.

[@kurgisempyrion6125]

Can you imagine if that wing turret fired forward and you were in the superstructure next to that.....

[@richardm3023]

What??? What did you say???

[@lewisirwin5363]

@@richardm3023 "I say, did anyone see where my left eye flew off to?"

[@tbayspotting]

Can u do a bed on the pola

[@karlvongazenberg8398]

I wonder if anyone made a uniform 9.2 -10" armed armored cruiser, even on the drawing board?

[@twinky3349]

i accidentally read the title as "RN Piss"

[@guilty_mulburry5903]

Holy shit a 5 minute 5 minute guide? Drach you feeling ok?

[@KMCA779]

"Blucher" *horse noises*

[@pittsburghmcconnell]

I wonder where those guns went to in 1937? I'm sure they got repurposed.

[@ericgrace9995]

A like and comment to feed the algorithm

[@admiralholland3996]

why is the five minutes guide five minutes i hear you ask? Have you entered this strange world full of contradiction ? no, you are born into one

[@turbowolf302]

if no one else will say it, I will. ....Pisa time.

[@45641560456405640563]

Always found these ships interesting. Thanks for this one. :)

[@geordiedog1749]

Forza!

[@oriontaylor]

Anybody know if Amalfi’s wreck has been discovered?

[@charischar3490]

You dont mention the third, georgios averof battles

[@Drachinifel]

It has it's own video :)

[@knowlesy3915]

Those Garibaldis were terrible ships, all the raisins fell out under heavy gunfire.

[@KaiserFranzJosefI]

Shouldn't the prefix be RM for Reigna Marina instead of RN?

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

RN=Regia Nave (Royal Ship)

[@KaiserFranzJosefI]

@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat I see, thanks

[@LukesYuGiOhChannel]

Long career.

[@BlackMasterRoshi]

damn, it's actually 5 minutes this time

[@MegaSkrow]

no pinned comment yet?

[@OtherWorldExplorers]

Pisa Pisa!!

[@M1017242]

Video description seems to be erratic

[@thomaszachariadis634]

Georgios Averof☺

[@kingofthekludge]

it's actually RM Pisa not RN Pisa - (Regia Marina)

[@rolfs2165]

Amalfi's picture says "R. Nave", though. Wouldn't it be the same for Pisa?

[@yf.f4919]

@@rolfs2165 R.N. is the correct form. "Regia Nave" (Royal Ship) had been used until 1946, but just for battleships.

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

RN is the right one (Regia Nave/Royal Ship)

[@vespelian5769]

Such great looking ships. I caught sight of the Aeverof from the bus window whilst on my way to Athens airport, recognising the ship but having know idea she still existed. I was taking my girlfriend on her way home, so when I'd seen her off, I raced back to the harbour to inspect the ship.

[@Leptospirosi]

I wonder why this is not tier III in world of Warships rather then having an German war reparation cruisers. Well I know as the did not wanted spend the time into modeling something new rather then reskinning old stuff.

[@janwitts2688]

Second Class Semi Dreadnought

[@xenophonBC]

i don't have respect for drach like i do for history buffs. even townsends channel, makes period correct salt pork.

[@atfyoutubedivision955]

Then why watch his channel?

[@abercrombieblovs2042]

2:17 As an Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts player it makes me warm and fuzzy inside when a naval historian says 'loadout'. Speaking of, Drach, might you be inclined to do a little review of that game? See how navally accurate it is?

[@ashman187]

Accendi il bollitare!

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

...eh?

[@hektor6766]

Il bollitore?

[@Nostrildomus]

* * * * * C O O L * * * * *

[@ralphmichaelseastres4969]

Ah yes, this video came at the right time since I just sat on the toilet taking a dump lmao.

[@michaelmckinnon1591]

They swapped their 7.5 inch guns for 3 inch guns and the narrator thinks 3 inch guns are more powerful than 7.5 inch guns WTF

[@F40PH-2CAT]

Why does the new Italian navy have glass bottom boats? So they can see the old Italian navy. 🤓

[@Leptospirosi]

Are you giving likes to yourself? 2 stupid comments and one like each... 🤔